2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf You Don't Support Bernie....
Don't complain when you get what you deserve.
Bernie is the only candidate that will attempt to bring us a better world.
All of the others will bring more of the same, letting the banks, and billionaires run everything.
The Truth.....
So don't complain if the banks are responsible for 70% of GDP in a few years.
80%.....
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NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Maybe this lecture of yours is more appropriate for the people willing to throw this country to the batshit crazy fascist cavemen if they don't get what they want.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)... that you just spoke for most if not every Clinton supporter here. Thanks
MADem
(135,425 posts)Allow me to associate myself with your remarks.
riversedge
(70,182 posts)
elleng
(130,834 posts)there IS another choice:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813600
Krytan11c
(271 posts)MOM has shown me a lot in the past few weeks.
elleng
(130,834 posts)I'm pleased to see this.
Honesty and caring shines through.
senz
(11,945 posts)You are so faithful, so loyal, he should bring you roses and take you out to dinner or something. Or invite you to the inaugural ball if Hill and Bernie don't make it. Or if he's the VP. You've earned it.
I think I'll take this opportunity to say that during the first debate I noticed O'Malley's ears -- and realized I had never seen such a perfect pair of ears before. Like a gracefully softened version of elf ears, just right and quite charming.
Anyway, kudos on your loyalty.
elleng
(130,834 posts) 
He has shown a lot
Hopefully he'll catch on now that we're down to 3.
I still hope Sanders wins.
But, I want it to be a competitive primary with all 3 out there getting their views across
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Sanders stands absolutely no chance of winning a national election, so nominating Sanders is as good as voting for a Republican.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)For the senate.
Hillary is the one that can't get elected.
The millions of Americans who don't vote, won't turn out to vote for more of the same old thing.
They will turn out in droves for Bernie.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Even Vermont Republicans are no bellweather for Republicans, say, in the South...even Senator Sanders would tell you that.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)To vote against Hillary.
I don't think you get it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)wearing nothing but a beach frock and flip flops
thats how much they hate her
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)out of the White House
Yallow
(1,926 posts)And since so many of them already hate government, they may be open to reason.
Probably not all of them, but there is hope.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Interesting theory. How many of them voted for Obama after they were screaming socialist at him?
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)"Even Republicans Are Jumping On The Bernie Sanders Bandwagon"
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Don't kid yourself. The GOP's best GOTV tool will be Hillary.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)If Hillary's coalition is the Obama coalition (more or less), she doesn't even NEED the south (outside of Virginia and possibly Florida).
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Colorado voters say 62 - 34 percent that Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy; 52 - 46 percent that she has strong leadership qualities and 57 - 39 percent that she does not care about their needs and problems.
Iowa
Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Iowa voters say 59 - 33 percent. She is a strong leader, voters say 52 - 43 percent, but she does not care about their needs and problems, voters say 55 - 39 percent.
Virginia
Hillary Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, Virginia voters say 55 - 39 percent. She is a strong leader, voters say 54 - 42 percent, but she does not care about their needs and problems, voters say 50 - 45 percent.
Florida
Clinton gets a negative 37 - 55 percent favorability rating and voters say 64 - 32 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
Ohio
Ohio voters give Clinton a negative 36 - 54 percent favorability rating and say 60 - 34 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
Pennsylvania
Pennsylvania voters give Clinton a negative 38 - 55 percent favorability rating and say 63 - 32 percent she is not honest and trustworthy.
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)We are in her age group and to a one, we cannot stand her. I don't dislike Hillary, I simply don't like her. She represents everything I fought against in the 1960s, 1970s. She is NOT a liberal in the true sense of the word and frankly, I simply do not trust her. IMO, she has been caught in too many lies.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)80% of my friends and family don't trust her.
Hilary can't carry the South.
Unfortunately, having spend most of my life working on politics in the industrial midwest, I have firmly convinced that there is very little chance Bernie could carry Michigan or Ohio.
Which scenario sounds better to you?
moobu2
(4,822 posts)wonder how many would actually vote for him since he flipped flopped and became a Democrat? Not many I bet.
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upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Encouraging people to not vote in the general election isn't a good thing to do. Why do you think talk like yours inspires people?
oasis
(49,365 posts)
I'm sure I missed that press conference.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)constantly cut Bernie down...he tells the truth...H with the harsh arrow slices right through the truth and rips it apart...my opinion of course.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)
daleanime
(17,796 posts)and I don't believe that..... 
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)frightened about what the GOP is going to do in 2018 when they likely win even more state/local elections.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Those segments could gain massive political power by simply showing up for 'smaller elections' but what they do is vote occasionally and then talk about it for four years.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)show up in presidential numbers and run the fuckers out of town.
Unfortunately I'm cynical that this will actually happen 
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Bernie is nice, but I think we make a mistake when we try to find some kind of Messiah in someone.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:47 PM - Edit history (1)
It isn't about Bernie.
It is about getting the 60% of voters that don't vote involved.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)...the line about how Bernie is the only candidate who will attempt to bring us a better world. It just sounded a bit messianic to me, and, I think we need to be careful not to construct some kind of messianic savior out of a mere political candidate.
But we agree on the need to get more people involved in the political process. Imagine if the poor voted in mass numbers...
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Just someone that says what needs said for once.
The billionaires can't have everything.
And if someone doesn't stop them, they will.
I don't feel like working harder for less much longer.....
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He repreents something much bigger than himself. He happenes to be the one running who connects with that.
Sure people (including me) admire and like him because he's honest and committed and straightforward, in contrast to your typical Democratic Waffler, (male or female).
But more important is the total frustration and anger with a merger of Politics/Corporate Power that is screwing us all with a smile.
And,m in a more positive sense, a belief that we can do better.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)about getting 60% who don't vote to vote. You are going around in circles.
JI7
(89,244 posts)Then he should easily win the primary
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Bernie having almost no actual policy proposals. He complains about the right things, but has no solution to his complaints.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... a "come to Jesus, only HE can save you" thing, or a "come to Bernie, only HE can save you" thing?
I have to ask because, quite frankly, the two memes are sounding a lot alike these days.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Nance.....
Are you filthy rich?
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... I'm rollin' in the dough.
And I'm still trying to distinguish between the "Jesus will save you" and the "Bernie will save you" memes - because, like I said, they sure sound a lot alike.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)NYCLisa
(21 posts)
and also no
I'll just put on
and 
betsuni
(25,447 posts)
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Do you want more of the same? Or do you think the country can strive for better? Hillary represents more of the same.
I think we can strive for better.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)
LuvLoogie
(6,973 posts)Hillary has made Bernie a better Senator. He is coming out of his shell and actually talking about his views to people other than his weekly radio audience.
President Obama has also made Bernie a better Senator. The 2010 ACA inspired Bernie so much that he finally came up with his own Single-Payer bill in 2013.
There's a whole world of people outside of Vermont.
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)And tries to always have a one-liner or two. It must impress them.
Not me.
In my 50 + years I can see through B.S. fairly easily.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Every Hilary supporter is either brainwashed, stupid or corrupt, right?
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)
LibraLiz1973
(8,197 posts)Having said that, I think he has about as much chance of being elected to the highest office as I do.
Bernie terrifies big business & all the corporate cronies that run this country. I really cannot imagine them allowing him to win. Another stolen election, coming right up.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Before our nation is lost.....
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Ill vote for him in the GE.
But he won't get the nominee so there's that.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)can lead the nation. I'm not looking for saviour. I am infinitely more interested in pulling a majority in Congress again. How many those feeling the bern sat on their votes during the midterm and assured Republican control of Congress yet again? Short-sighted and petulant. All power is not vested in the presidency or the ability to issue executive orders. At some point you have to write laws. That's the job of the legislature.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)There will be an uprising. We PEON TAXPAYERS have already WASTED $12.8 TRILLION if OUR tax money bailing out their useless asses and we won't be doing that again, EVER.
How this works, yallow - all these Third Way/DLCers will vote for MORE OF THE SAME, because they themselves are most likely part of that corrupt system, ie; wealthy, own a corporation, work in the executive branch of a corporation, work on corrupt, GREEDY Wall St. or have inherited wealth, and really don't give a crap about the country as a whole. They certainly don't have empathy for "The least if these."
After they vote for MORE OF THE SAME and when the shit hits the fan again, and it most definitely will, they will feign ignorance of the situation or claim they never voted for Hillary. That's exactly what Repubs did when BUSH destroyed our economy. The Third Wayers will hedge their bets on OUR LIVES and play stupid when it all blows up again.
Well, the next time, we won't be bailing out their asses.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Even if it makes Boehner cry again.
(out of retirement)
coyote
(1,561 posts)There's one thing in life that I've learned, you never bite the hand that feeds you. She will never go after her corporate sponsors. And her statements on income inequality are weak at best. It's typical political rhetoric without any clear solution. Sure she might throw some bones toward us, but real changes for the better will not be coming.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)When this line is trotted out we all know smoke is being blown up our asses. Your op is the perfect parody of purity and is not based in reality.
"Bernie is the only candidate who will attempt to bring us a better world."
By by reality. Hello offensiveness. Hello purity. Sorry O'Malley supporters, according to the op he wouldn't even try. Get that. Wouldn't even try.
MineralMan
(146,282 posts)Democratic Party, I'll be an enthusiastic supporter of Sanders during the general election campaign. I doubt that will be the case, however.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)It smells a bit desperate, but it's good FUD.
LannyDeVaney
(1,033 posts)somebody else with a "Don't Blame Me, I voted for (other guy)" bumper sticker.
I hate those things, and I'm disgusted by folks who feel they can tell me what I "deserve". Very, very condescending.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Fight for real change, or continue playing victim.
The choice is yours.
REAL CHANGE
CheshireDog
(63 posts)Each voter is capable of looking at the candidates and making a decision. Many of us, and clearly a majority of Democrats nationwide, have chosen Hillary. These endless "if you don't support Bernie you'll get what's coming to you!!!" Chicken little style threads are out of line.
I like Bernie. If he wins, I will support him, and I am glad he is in the race. If Hillary werent running I would support him, but right now I and many other stand with Hillary. Respect that decision.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Just don't complain when you keep gettin' what we've all got for the last 40 years.
That's my point.
You could write in Charlie Brown if you want.
It's your decision.
Just remember. Hillary isn't going to change anything.
Not one word in her campaign is about what she will do to make my family's future better.
All bs.
Broad bs.
When she says she will make billionaires pay taxes like the rest of us, now that will be something.
ronnykmarshall
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zappaman
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Tarc
(10,476 posts)This isn't Facebook, you aren't liking your friend's cat pictures or your brother's new job announcement.
A DU "recommend" should mean "this is something insightful that I want others to notice on the main page and come share the experience."
Being lured here to read a "I love Bernie Sanders and you suck if you don't" personal opinion of a sub-300 post new user is not something that should be recommended.
