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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:50 PM Oct 2015

#Hillary4Who. So, let's see what the activists are saying.

Avery. ?@Philosavery 2h2 hours ago
Today I was dragged out of @HillaryClinton rally by Blck Police in frnt of Blck "Leaders," people clapped & no one intervened. #Hillary4Who


#AUCShutItDown
?@AUCShutItDown
Don't discuss our issues while ignoring our voices. Don't come to our space(s) while attempting to silence us. #Hillary4Who

Johnetta Elzie ?@Nettaaaaaaaa 2h2 hours ago
Hillary's baby steps towards addressing racial justice in a real way aren't working. She is lagging behind her competition, Sanders.

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#Hillary4Who. So, let's see what the activists are saying. (Original Post) Luminous Animal Oct 2015 OP
Quote from a Hillary staffer: "We know black lives matter, but now is not the time." Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #1
Yah that's a bad comment. Agschmid Oct 2015 #2
And? Elaborate your feelings here. icuc Oct 2015 #4
I think I just made my feelings pretty clear. Agschmid Oct 2015 #5
Thank you. icuc Oct 2015 #14
... ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #25
Welcome to DU! n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #45
It's a bad comment! DocMac Oct 2015 #70
Wow! And she did use the offensive 'All Lives Matter' in a Black Church days after the sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #3
all lives matter is only offensive when Sanders says it Doctor_J Oct 2015 #39
I believe it was O'Malley who said that. Flying Squirrel Oct 2015 #73
Sanders never said All lives matter. Only Hillary and O'Malley did. merrily Oct 2015 #78
Actually he never did jfern Oct 2015 #81
Someone "heard" that statement. ok. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #7
Janey DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #12
Please elaborate. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #16
When I google the quote verbatim it brings me back here. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #19
It bears noting that Google tailors its search results to what sites you visit JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #87
Actually, you did not google the quote. You googled my title with quotes. Which of course, links you Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #88
Here is the direct link to Campaign Zero's Brittany Packnett's tweet. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #24
Here you go... Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #44
That's disgusting Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #55
Oh my. historylovr Oct 2015 #59
January 20, 2025 is the time for them to matter jfern Oct 2015 #80
"Now is NOT the time"!!!!!! bvar22 Oct 2015 #89
Those who don't learn from history . orpupilofnature57 Oct 2015 #6
Link to the AUCShutIt Down twitter feed. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #8
Hillary Clinton is pathetically trying to .. DianeK Oct 2015 #9
she's "the AA candidate" so she can treat actual AAs and activists however she wants MisterP Oct 2015 #10
Sanders is running behind with POC, posting these comments is not a way to change anything Hillary Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #11
Nothing said by a Sander's supporter passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #51
In fact I am locked in on my candidate of whom I share she position on the issues much more than I Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #86
Where did the OP mention Sanders?? Fearless Oct 2015 #84
Is the tag being invaded by Hillary supporters accusing them sufrommich Oct 2015 #13
SOROS! JaneyVee Oct 2015 #15
Please see Post 12. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2015 #18
Quit trying to portray me as a liar. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #26
Dude. Her supporters are as transparent as Hillary. Phlem Oct 2015 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Oct 2015 #52
Deleted because it just isn't worth it. Agschmid Oct 2015 #60
I know right?! Been there done that. Phlem Oct 2015 #66
I'm curious. Are you satisfied Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #46
No reply, of course. And likely off to the clubhouse amplifying the lie. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #90
Why don't you run it up the flagpole? frylock Oct 2015 #53
"Now is not the time.." artislife Oct 2015 #67
#Hillary4Whol Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #17
No group is monolithic... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #21
Yes, and I think h is starting to really understand that. nt artislife Oct 2015 #68
Hillary4anything NuclearDem Oct 2015 #20
#Hillary4Hillary frylock Oct 2015 #54
From Shawn King Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #22
Students shout "let her talk!" and then the protesters,... riversedge Oct 2015 #23
Guess those students are white supremacists. (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #27
Why would you say such a silly thing and look stupid. Did you even look at the video? riversedge Oct 2015 #31
Well, "let him talk" at a Sanders rally means they're white supremacists. jeff47 Oct 2015 #33
It would stand to reason. frylock Oct 2015 #58
And sexist too... eom Purveyor Oct 2015 #37
No the correct term some BLM "activists" would say about those black students romanic Oct 2015 #82
OH! So if people in Sanders' crowd had just yelled "let him talk!" there would never have been cui bono Oct 2015 #28
Your tone is horrible and does not deserve a response. Bye. riversedge Oct 2015 #34
And yet you responded. cui bono Oct 2015 #36
He's got nothing. Phlem Oct 2015 #49
Our friend seems to be in a rather untenable position here. frylock Oct 2015 #62
Your TONE young lady!!! dorkzilla Oct 2015 #74
Oh, yeah, and because when another candidate draws crowds of 27,000 people no one wants to hear cui bono Oct 2015 #29
Sounds a lot like the crowd who gathered to hear about Medicare artislife Oct 2015 #50
Seems reasonable to me. frylock Oct 2015 #63
Imagine that. A group of people who have come to see a candidate speak.. frylock Oct 2015 #57
Good Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #30
You haven't read twitter, yet. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #38
"harassing en mass" Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #42
Thou shalt not disrupt Royalty when they speak. eom NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #47
Looking forward to the dozen or so OPs about Hillary's PoC problem from the social justice cui bono Oct 2015 #32
No, being the only candidate to call the police in means she handled it beautifully!! (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #35
She "Hillary" called the police in? Agschmid Oct 2015 #41
Her rally, her security, no? frylock Oct 2015 #64
Actually no it's not "her security"... Agschmid Oct 2015 #65
Fair enough. But surely she raised objections to their removal? frylock Oct 2015 #71
Now that I don't know. Agschmid Oct 2015 #72
I apologize that reality does not conform to your beliefs. jeff47 Oct 2015 #83
Good luck waiting Rilgin Oct 2015 #56
They didn't say a word about Clinton's LGBT problem Prism Oct 2015 #85
Earn this vote Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #40
Reading these tweets #Hillary4who Truprogressive85 Oct 2015 #43
We didn't get to hear what they were saying. They were thrown out! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #61
Can Cornel West, Bruce Dixon and Glen Ford be far behind?...nt SidDithers Oct 2015 #69
Okay now I see. Autumn Oct 2015 #75
She "know how to Stand my Ground!" Mike__M Oct 2015 #76
This is exactly why we need a BLM debate. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #77
Kick. Luminous Animal Oct 2015 #79

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
1. Quote from a Hillary staffer: "We know black lives matter, but now is not the time."
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:52 PM
Oct 2015

Brittany Packnett ?@MsPackyetti 1h1 hour ago
Brittany Packnett Retweeted #AUCShutItDown
Heard at #AUCShutItDown: "We know black lives matter, but now is not the time."
That is precisely the problem.

Edited to add video.
https://twitter.com/AUCShutItDown/status/660187092857790464

DocMac

(1,628 posts)
70. It's a bad comment!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:22 PM
Oct 2015

It sounds like the NRA bullshit about the right time to talk about gun control. She doesn't impress me and is fading fast. Hang in there and keep posting.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
3. Wow! And she did use the offensive 'All Lives Matter' in a Black Church days after the
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:54 PM
Oct 2015

tragic events in Charleston.

'Now is not the time' for WHAT?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
78. Sanders never said All lives matter. Only Hillary and O'Malley did.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:16 AM
Oct 2015

That Sanders said it was a lie, courtesy of NPR that was "corrected" later.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
12. Janey
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:01 PM
Oct 2015

Please copy this and left click "Search Google For" and see what happens:


Quote from a Hillary staffer: "We know black lives matter, but now is not the time."



Thank you in advance.

I would say what I believe about such tactics but it would result in a hide.


JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
87. It bears noting that Google tailors its search results to what sites you visit
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:46 PM
Oct 2015

In this case, the quotes are readily available on BLM activists' twitter.

https://twitter.com/AUCShutItDown/status/660187092857790464

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
88. Actually, you did not google the quote. You googled my title with quotes. Which of course, links you
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:56 PM
Oct 2015

back to my title.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
89. "Now is NOT the time"!!!!!!
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:30 PM
Oct 2015

so sit down and shut up!
Just vote for us, and we'll probably get around to you sooner or later,
but don't expect any promises.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
8. Link to the AUCShutIt Down twitter feed.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:58 PM
Oct 2015
https://twitter.com/AUCShutItDown/with_replies

#AUCShutItDown
?@AUCShutItDown

#BlackLivesMatter" is more than a hashtag & we won't let her erase or silence our voices while taking our lives.
#Hillary4Who
 

DianeK

(975 posts)
9. Hillary Clinton is pathetically trying to ..
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:58 PM
Oct 2015

co-opt the progressive message and it is false and insincere and falling like a bag of rocks! bill is pulling out the stops and calling in all favors..like the campaign debt he paid for howard dean ..and just google the feud he had with bill richardson..pathetic! and quite transparent...

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
10. she's "the AA candidate" so she can treat actual AAs and activists however she wants
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:58 PM
Oct 2015

ditto being "the LGBT candidate" and backing Libya/Honduras/DADT

their view of politics is one of simple assertion of definitions, not of policies or records

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
11. Sanders is running behind with POC, posting these comments is not a way to change anything Hillary
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:00 PM
Oct 2015

Is doing, we continue to see these same type of posts, they are not working, continues to remind us of the failed interactions between Sanders and BLW, is this the desired response?

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
51. Nothing said by a Sander's supporter
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:46 PM
Oct 2015

on DU is going to change the way a Hillary supporter thinks or votes.

You guys are too locked into your candidate. Instead of the issues. Bernie supporters are locked into the issues, and will vote for anyone who truly represents them.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
86. In fact I am locked in on my candidate of whom I share she position on the issues much more than I
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:08 PM
Oct 2015

do with Sanders. Besides this, Hillary is far ahead on foreign affairs and has advocated for children's and women's issues throughout her life, is strong on preventing gun violence, health care and wage disparity. She represents me.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
13. Is the tag being invaded by Hillary supporters accusing them
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:02 PM
Oct 2015

of being paid shills,or in on the conspiracy to bring her down,or crying "after all she's done for you!",or accusing them of not being deferential enough,or looking into their personal lives to see if there's any lesbian ex Palin supporters? Yeah,I didn't think so.

Response to Phlem (Reply #48)

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
90. No reply, of course. And likely off to the clubhouse amplifying the lie.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:00 PM
Oct 2015

Though, the fact is, it ought to be deleted and I believe I deserve an apology.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
17. #Hillary4Whol
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:04 PM
Oct 2015

ශිරන්ති ගූණතිලක. ?@little_Goon 1h
We said, "BLACK LIVES MATTER", the crowd followed in @HillaryClinton footsteps in trying to silencing our voices. #Hillary4Who @Ellevation_

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
22. From Shawn King
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:10 PM
Oct 2015

Shaun King Verified account
?@ShaunKing

@MsPackyetti @Nettaaaaaaaa @AUCShutItDown // exactly. Like Hillary speaking to us is a damn gift or something.

riversedge

(70,186 posts)
23. Students shout "let her talk!" and then the protesters,...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:10 PM
Oct 2015

It appears that the students in the audience wanted to hear Hillary.


Darren Sands

@darrensands

Students shout "let her talk!" and then the protesters, arm-in-arm, were taken out of the gym.
2:36 PM - 30 Oct 2015 · Atlanta, GA, United States

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. Well, "let him talk" at a Sanders rally means they're white supremacists.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:28 PM
Oct 2015

So it would be the same at a Clinton rally, right?

romanic

(2,841 posts)
82. No the correct term some BLM "activists" would say about those black students
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:45 AM
Oct 2015

well...I don't want to say it but it rhymes with "Loon" and starts with a c. That's the gist of it really.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
28. OH! So if people in Sanders' crowd had just yelled "let him talk!" there would never have been
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:25 PM
Oct 2015

an uproar about Bernie and BLM.

I see.

Perhaps you can post an OP of all the campaign rules ahead of time lest people think you are making it up as you go.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
36. And yet you responded.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:30 PM
Oct 2015

How was your post any better than mine? What in my post was incorrect?

I hope you are not one of those who piled on about Sanders' PoC problem after BLM since you are excusing Hillary for far worse.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
74. Your TONE young lady!!!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:47 PM
Oct 2015

Watch your tone! It matters not one not what you say, as line as the TONE is right.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
29. Oh, yeah, and because when another candidate draws crowds of 27,000 people no one wants to hear
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:26 PM
Oct 2015

what he has to say.


 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
50. Sounds a lot like the crowd who gathered to hear about Medicare
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:45 PM
Oct 2015

on August 8th, Westlake Seattle, WA.

They wanted to hear about what they were interested in and by their speaker of choice. This could apply to both occasions.

Gee.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
57. Imagine that. A group of people who have come to see a candidate speak..
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:58 PM
Oct 2015

and being upset that it was interrupted by protestors. I'm sure that's the first time that's ever happened.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
30. Good
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:26 PM
Oct 2015

What I don't see are HRC supporters harassing these people en mass, or piling on with the vile epithets...

Good. I'm glad to hear them criticize and speak out. Damn good...





Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
42. "harassing en mass"
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:51 PM
Oct 2015

"piling on with vile epithets."

Words have meaning...

Haven't seen it spill over onto DU either, for that matter. Still shaking my head over that exhibition.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
32. Looking forward to the dozen or so OPs about Hillary's PoC problem from the social justice
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:27 PM
Oct 2015

advocates here on DU.


Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
65. Actually no it's not "her security"...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:07 PM
Oct 2015

It's local cops, state police, and secret service.

So no, not "her" security.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
83. I apologize that reality does not conform to your beliefs.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:46 AM
Oct 2015

The only Democratic candidate who has had the police/security/whatever remove BLM protesters is Clinton.

Which apparently is "handling it beautifully". Letting them talk? Oh that's AWFUL!!

Rilgin

(787 posts)
56. Good luck waiting
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:57 PM
Oct 2015

I have come to the conclusion that the posters who declare themselves Social Justice Activists that post here are just Hillary defenders no matter the issue or fact. They have spent all their posting energy attacking a candidate who might be better than Hillary on almost every issue including their own chosen issue.

The sole basis for their support of Hillary and their attacks on Bernie are assertions that we can not have a universal justice candidate and that their one issue (something called social justice but not including the problems that affect other races) is more important than any other issues. For example, their version of social justice does not address any of the genocides that have occurred in the 20th century amongst the Asian people or current prejudice against the Arab people. It does not address, African American prejudice against Puerto Ricans in New York. It does not address a lot of the inequalities amongst races. They say Bernie has a problem with POC but they really only mean African American which is statistics they quote.

At this point, these particular posters are totally invested thinking that their single issue is the only issue that can be worked on by a movement (not just one of the most important. They invested themselves in Hillary and it would cause too much cognitive dissonance to (1) see past race to common human problem and try to realize that their might exist people that have even a harder time in both America or the World, (2) realize that that the problems with Racism and profiling are not unique to their race in both America and History and (3) even if they want to be one issue supporters to realize their chosen candidate has two right feet on Social Justice for African Americans.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
85. They didn't say a word about Clinton's LGBT problem
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:05 PM
Oct 2015

Don't see why they'd say anything here.

It's like they think social justice is just this internet thing. It's not that important. Just a piñata to have fun with.

Meh. They've been doing it for years. No one's fooled.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
40. Earn this vote
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:42 PM
Oct 2015

So proud of my comrades in action !


Shame on HRC staffer telling them ,that this is not the time !

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
43. Reading these tweets #Hillary4who
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:55 PM
Oct 2015

@ninicerules connect with what? more talk? where's the plan? Sanders has one. HRC keeps talking about it & asking folks to "wait"


The fact that older black leaders verbally attacking protesters show how high the jig is #hillary4who

One of the hardest things to swallow about the HRC event at CAU today is just that. It was in OUR home. OUR space. #Hillary4Who

Hillary felt safe saying #BlackLivesMatter in the AUC, but not at the Democratic Debate.

I

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
77. This is exactly why we need a BLM debate.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:19 PM
Oct 2015

But certain people who shan't be named (DWS) doesn't seem to think the issues are important enough to debate.

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