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From WSJ: 'If Bernie Sanders Loses, What Happens To His Army Of Young Voters?' - WSJ

If Bernie Sanders Loses, What Happens to His Army of Young Voters?
By Dante Chinni - WSJ
10:57 am ET
Oct 30, 2015


Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders, of Vermont, speaks during a rally in Tucson, Ariz.
Rick Scuteri/Associated Press


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At 74 years old, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is the oldest major-party candidate in the 2016 field. But his rise in the polls this summer was powered by younger voters. Those voters arenít likely to be a strong enough force to propel him to the nomination, but their support could give Mr. Sanders an important role in the election even after the primary is over.

In Iowa and New Hampshire, Mr. Sandersís greatest gains, by far, have come among voters under the age of 45, according to NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist polls in those states.



Mr. Sandersís appeal with younger voters is also apparent in the most recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News national survey. In that poll, the Vermont senatorís greatest strength lay with voters between the ages of 18 and 34. Some 45% of those voters viewed him positively, and only 18% viewed him negatively. The numbers for him grew less favorable among older age groups.



Younger voters can become enthusiastic campaign volunteers. Their comfort with the Internet and experience as ďdigital nativesĒ means they can be organized online more easily than older voters.

But younger donít tend to make up large chunks of the primary vote. Even in 2008, when young voters were engaged by the presidential race, voters age 45 or older made up 60% of the Iowa Democratic caucus vote. In New Hampshire in 2008, 40-or-older voters made up 67% of the Democratic primary vote.

If younger voters are your base of support...

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More: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/10/30/if-bernie-sanders-loses-what-happens-to-his-army-of-young-voters/



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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:32 PM

1. DU gets a lot quieter.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:16 AM

62. It's not DU that should concern you

disenfranchised younger voters are why we now have a Republican majority in the House and Senate

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Response to RandySF (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:01 AM

84. Agreed - a shadow of its former self.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:42 AM

106. you do realize that it won't only be DU, right?

 

the political buzz and excitement will disperse around the country. An entire cohort will disengage. That is not a good thing.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #106)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:14 PM

142. That's what the oligarchy wants. Vote for Hillary or give up ...and many will.

 

An entire cohort will disengage

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:35 PM

2. fewer lawns are trampled?

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:35 PM

3. I seriously doubt Hillary is an alternative to them

She represents everything that caused them to see Bernie as their choice.

So I guess many will stay home and swear off being politically active in the future.

Which is probably the outcome the Third Way wants anyway so theres no threat to the status quo in future campaigns.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:40 PM

7. I disagree. The majority of Sanders supporters will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is.

The Supreme Court, civil rights, women's rights, minority rights are just the obvious issues at stake

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:45 PM

10. Some Will... Some Won't... Depends On The Numders...

 

I won't donate, I will not speak up for Hillary... yet she will probably end up with my vote...



After the enthusiasm has been thoroughly drained from my body.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:33 PM

31. An honest and perhaps accurate analysis

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:57 PM

19. No they won't.

That's a fact.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #19)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:18 PM

23. ok, so you are the official spokesperson for all Bernie supporters

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Response to still_one (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:25 PM

27. And you are, what?

Star Member still_one (39,496 posts)

7. I disagree. The majority of Sanders supporters will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #27)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:31 PM

30. Touchť' you got me

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Response to still_one (Reply #30)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:41 PM

49. If she's the one who is nominated I don't

have to vote for her. I live in Alaska. They call everything before our voting is done. I think I will write in my brother's name when I can't stand the choices.

He usually gets one or two votes every election. Alaska and Hawaii are ignored on more than just maps.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #49)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:45 PM

51. of course, any of us can do anything we want when we get into the polling booth

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #49)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:08 AM

87. Oregon usually isn't that much better off

Our primary is late in the season and we are on western time. The last two elections it was the west coast states that put President Obama over the 270 mark. It could go back to not mattering in 2016.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #87)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:43 PM

124. Well, I am in California, so we are in the same boat

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Response to still_one (Reply #124)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:07 PM

148. Actually isn't your primary in June now?

Egads they really make it late.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #148)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:26 PM

149. Yes. June 7 to be exact.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #49)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:31 PM

144. Doesn't matter in TX either -

I look forward to Jill Stein on the ballot if Bernie is not. I am absolutely disgusted by the actions of Hillary and the party in ramming through the nomination - acting like it's a done deal before any of us have even voted in the primary. I will not reward that behavior.

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:40 AM

104. Why wont they? Are you someone who wont?

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Response to randys1 (Reply #104)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:28 PM

120. I am

I will just go to gd and discuss issues and leave the election to the party stalwarts.
I will vote the down ticket but I cannot hold my nose tight enough to vote for.Clinton.
The politics I have seen used by her and for her makes me allow no credibility to her or most everyone speaking on her behalf.
This site won't care as long as I provide clicks and don't suppress the votes of others for hrh or push a 3rd party candidate that isn't third way approved like Charlie crist.
The dreamy purge the hillarians hope for.won't happen.

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Response to SwampG8r (Reply #120)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:56 PM

130. Straight white males can afford to whine if they dont get their candidate, others cant

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Response to randys1 (Reply #130)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:33 PM

145. Then why would "others" vote for a corporation candidate

who won't do a thing for them? That doesn't make any sense.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #130)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:59 PM

151. Not a white male so what else you got?

The condescending attitude is what team weathervane has shown me most.

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Response to randys1 (Reply #130)

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 12:00 PM

158. I'm not a white male and I don't plan to vote for her, either.

I'm in a solid red state. I can vote my conscience and it's not her.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #158)

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 12:41 PM

159. So your vote means nothing because of geography, what if it didnt?

As a Woman are you confident the cons are all talk and no action?

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:14 PM

20. History says maybe not

The huge turnout for "hope and change" in 2008 was greatly diminished when they didn't see as much change as they'd hoped for.

The turnout in 2012 was 13 million votes lower than 2008... and Obama lost 10 million of 'em. Those voters were no longer excited, they stayed home. That could happen with a chunk of Sanders people, too.

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #20)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:22 PM

26. I also believe most Hillary supporters will vote for whoever the Democratic

Nominee if it isn't Hillary

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Response to still_one (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:24 AM

92. The same people as the PUMAs in '08?

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #92)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:52 AM

98. PUMAs were never a large number, and I doubt many were even Democrats

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Response to still_one (Reply #98)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:11 PM

117. PUMAs were not a large number, but they were not negligible, either. The only one I knew was a Dem.

Then again, everyone I know is a Dem.

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Response to merrily (Reply #117)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:37 PM

123. are you telling me everyone in your family, everyone you work or interact with are Democrats?

I am just giving you a hard time

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Response to still_one (Reply #123)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:46 PM

126. In the case of my family, it's at least 3 generations of Democr, going to children of first cousins.

In that extended family, only one person is a Republican--and he never opens his mouth. Can't imagine why, LOL! Also my friends. This is in part due to living in blue states all my life.

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Response to merrily (Reply #126)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:58 PM

131. you are lucky. Most of my family are Dems, and the few that aren't we avoid political discussions

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Response to still_one (Reply #131)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:25 PM

135. Never realized how lucky until I started reading family stories on DU.

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Response to still_one (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:05 PM

150. I believe a lot of people wont vote

No matter what happens, a lot of people won't vote.

But depending on who gets the nomination, the numbers of young adults voting will either be higher than normal, or lower than normal.

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:47 PM

34. I don't vote for republicans....Check out President Truman's quote about Dems and repubs...

 

Its the Democratic Party the will be to blame...

Oh, Clinton is a republican...

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #34)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:51 PM

35. Not voting for republicans does not mean the votes will be Democratic

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Response to still_one (Reply #35)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:52 PM

36. I think I know what you are saying...

 

But, can you clarify...

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #36)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:55 PM

37. I mean they could vote for a third party, or write in a name

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Response to still_one (Reply #37)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:58 PM

39. Thanks...

 

I am voting for Sanders. If he is not in the General, I'll write in Sanders name.

(I just wanted to make sure I understood you on your post - thanks)

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #39)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:50 PM

53. Actually, it is no one's business who one votes for, except the person doing the voting. This is

just a speculative subthread where I am of the position that most of the supporters of ANY of the Democratic candidates will vote for whoever the nominee is, if it isn't the candidate of their choice.

Only with the passage of time will we know for sure, assuming the exit polling is accurate, but there is a long way to go. First there has to be a nominee

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #39)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:03 PM

143. Me too.

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:00 AM

56. My grandson made it clear he won't

 

vote for Hillary.

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Response to 840high (Reply #56)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:07 AM

58. fine, that's anecdotal, and he can do whatever he wants as we all can

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Response to still_one (Reply #58)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:32 AM

66. Yes. I don'ttry to influence him. He

 

has a right to his feelings and vote.

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:51 AM

79. That only applies to the ones who are Democrats and strategic voters

The alienated will stay home.

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:58 AM

114. I don't know if that is true of the young 'uns.

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Response to merrily (Reply #114)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:46 PM

127. Of course no one really knows, it is all speculation

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Response to still_one (Reply #127)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:48 PM

128. I don't know about that, either. Polls might tell us something.

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Response to still_one (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:45 PM

125. Not my college-aged daughter and her friends

They'll probably vote 3rd party, and I can't blame them.

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:40 PM

8. True, their "we suck less" strategy isn't about growing the party

They'd rather have epic disasters like 2014 than have actual progressives running anything.

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Response to jfern (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:53 PM

129. It is their choice. As far as the epic disaster in 2014, if something like that occurred in 2016,

it would be far worse. Game over, tilt.

If the republicans won the house, executive branch, and senate, the country would move to the far right, and it would last decades.

Personally I don't think that will happen, no matter who our nominee is. There are too many minorities, women, and other demographics that would be affected adversely, that I think the turnout will be there in 2016

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Response to DJ13 (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:24 PM

119. Her supporters, in the party and in the mob, have made it clear that young voters are not wanted

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:39 PM

4. Also, will less articles from RW sources with RW opinions be forwarded for "discussion"?

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:47 PM

14. The WSJ Editorial Board Is RW... The Journalists There... Not So Much...

 

Regardless... answer the question.


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:39 PM

5. Likely what usually happens in these type of political situations...

they become disenfranchised and renounce politics for at least one election.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:40 PM

6. Why don't the young Bernie supporters speak up here?

I'd like to see what they have to say.

In 2008 I was a Hillary supporter and put up with attacks and insults .. but I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for Grampy and Dumb Ass.

I love President Obama and proud of him and proud to have voted for him in the general election in 2008 and in the primary in and general election in 2012.

AND I will add I didn't sit out 2010 or 2014 like so many so called Democrats did.

Oh, and YES I will support and vote for Bernie if he wins in the nomination.

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Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:12 PM

47. Halloween Partys? Friday Nite?

Don't really know, I'm an old guy.

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Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:01 AM

57. Young (23) bernie supporter here

I am scared to vote for Hillary. To me she represents everything that is broken about Washington. Her pride in making enemies of the republicans does not strike me as one who is willing to work with congress productively. Her shiftiness on important issues worries me, and I am generally afraid that she is a corporatist with big-money influences.

I may end up voting Green Party or write-in Bernie, should he not clinch the nomination. I see no point in furthering the problem for my generation.

And yes, I voted for Obama.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #57)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:09 PM

133. and you're happy to enable a republican pick the Supremes?

Thanks.

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Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #133)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:29 PM

137. I am also scared for a republican to win n/t

I understand the arguments about the supreme court fully well, and it concerns me, but on many issues that the supreme court deals with she is no different from the Republicans of 15-20 years ago. Campaign Finance? NSA/CIA spying on American citizens? Civil liberties? I have seen nothing progressive on her on any of these fronts, and they matter a great deal to me. And frankly, when we speak about a republican pick the Supremes, her issues seem solidly Republican.

The lone exception is of course abortion. I don't do single issue voting, however.

I also understand that pledging my vote to the democratic nominee no matter who that may be WILL limit my generation's leverage in selecting future nominees. That is a virtual certainty.

Fortunately I don't have to give it much thought, as my state (CA) is assured to vote blue.

I hope that gives some insight into my thinking. I haven't fully fleshed out what I will do yet.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #137)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:19 PM

138. Her issues are solidly Republican.

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Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #138)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:27 PM

139. You ignored all the substance of my post where I spoke about issues important to me

That isn't very nice. I was attempting to provide a thoughtful analysis of where I stood on the issues and the election and you respond by mocking and deriding a single phrase taken out of context? This is not a productive conversation.

To be clear, I was speaking about most issues that the supreme court can decide that are important to me (with the exception of abortion, which I noted because I was trying to be honest).

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Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:32 AM

65. There's a thread by a 27 year old Sanders supporter with a couple hundred replies..

He's largely mocked and ridiculed by the handful of Clinton supporters who chimed in.

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Response to frylock (Reply #65)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:41 AM

77. I am shocked! Mockery & ridicule from HRC supporters?

One of them totally lost it on another thread and actually told a Sanders supporter to kiss her ass. Happily it earned her another hide.

Seriously, folks. If HRC's supporters were one-tenth as confident in their candidate as they proudly proclaim they are, would we be seeing any mockery or ridicule from them? Wouldn't they be posting about HRC's policy positions and what they like about her?

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Response to Divernan (Reply #77)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:37 AM

100. It's like the Patriots talking shit to the Jaguars..

I think we all know, despite seeing poll after poll of 50+ year-old likely Democratic primary voters conducted over land lines, that Sanders is indeed a threat to their chosen candidate.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #77)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:11 PM

134. Like NO Bernie supporters mock HRC supporters on DU

Give me a break.

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Response to frylock (Reply #65)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 03:28 PM

140. Link?

I was just mocked earlier in this thread for expressing my opinions on the issues. I would be interested to see others mocking Sanders supporters.

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Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:30 PM

122. It seems there are surprisingly few young people on DU

 

I've noticed that when the question comes up, I'm usually one of the youngest responders - at 32. Unsurprising, given the hostility thrown at them 'round these parts.

If I have to hold my nose and vote for Clinton in 2016, I will. I did it for Kerry in '04 (for all that a vote in Alaska counts for anything). But I make no promises about 2020.

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Response to ronnykmarshall (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 07:06 AM

156. Here's how I sometimes feel:

 

The GOP and the Democratic Party will both scr*w me, but the Democrats will use lube.

But for the first time in... as long as I've been alive, there is now a candidate who promises not to scr*w me. And who has a long history of fighting for people's rights not to be scr*wed.

And the woman trying to discredit that candidate is someone I would trust to scr*w me with so little lube I could hardly notice the difference with the GOP.

Her recent efforts against Sanders speak volumes against her character and trustworthiness.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:42 PM

9. The young voters who historically don't vote, even though they supported Obama twice?

Hillary gets elected President either way.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:29 PM

29. I'm Not So Sure ANYONE Can So Easily Dismiss

these young voters. Not sure what the numbers are here at DU of these young voters, but I've found that so many of "these" younger voters AREN'T similar than the OBAMA supporters.

Why do I say this? I have TWO grand kids who are no shrinking violets and are very Socially active. My grandson is a college graduate who majored in computer engineering and who landed his first job in this field about a year ago. My grand daughter is attending our local college in preparation for her first semester at either FSU or UF. Accepted by both, THESE two support Bernie Sanders and his policies because they think he's the only candidate who talks to them and their issues.

They've told me that they're fed up with the direction this country is going. WAR has soured them and economic issues are THE KEY! It's pretty simple to them because they see that unless the gap is closed from top down THEIR future is at stake. I know they're informed because as a long time political activist we discuss these things.

My grandson showed me something very interesting today, a surprise that impressed me. He pulled out his phone and showed me pics he downloaded onto it and guess what they were? They were pics from Woodstock and the politics of MY GENERATION! I was super surprised because he said he wanted to research how we were so much more effective at making changes that seems impossible right now. THIS impressed me.

Will it carry the day to elect Bernie I can't predict, but I can say they've told me they won't vote for Hillary no matter what! Then came a question to me. Did I plan on voting for her if I really didn't feel in my heart she represents my views. We talked about the Supreme Court issue because I told them what it would mean if it leaned even more to the right. I thought about it at the time and said something I didn't think I would say. I said, if this country was willing to elect a someone like those on the right or one who leans that way... then THIS country deserves to live with the consequences. I now don't know if I'll fall on my sword.

So now I'm at a crossroad. I'll just say this... QUESTION EVERYTHING!
JMHO

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:50 AM

74. + 1,000,000,000 - Thank You !!!

 

That's what the Turd Way is really afraid of.

Maybe.

Or this was their plan all along...


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Response to WillyT (Reply #74)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:49 AM

110. Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock!

TIME might be on our side!!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:33 AM

94. Your last paragraph is right about where I am, also.

The general nastiness coming from other candidates' supporters does not impress me. Will I vote for Hillary if she is our candidate? I too, am getting tired of holding my nose and going with the lesser of two evils. While I appreciate that people can evolve, I have done it myself, I also understand and get it when it is purely political purposes. I don't know at this time. Up until now, I have had no problem with voting for her if she should be our nominee. BUT, I am getting tired of the unfounded racist and sexist accusations from her ardent supporters. Calling me an idiot will not win me over.

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #94)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:47 AM

108. Maybe We're Evolving Ourselves And Are Willing To Put

even OUR future in their hands. Screw the polls, SCREW This Democratic Party... they have shown their colors over and THE colors got blurred some time ago, and are FADING for me!

Is it REVOLUTION TIME Bernistas????

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:45 PM

11. They will come out for Bernie. It

Is doubtful they will come out for Hillary.

Bernie's integrity is a huge part of what the young people find attractive. Hillary can't buy that.

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Response to azmom (Reply #11)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:37 PM

32. azmon, Just Made THIS Case In My Post! I Heard The Words

pass the lips of my grandchildren! Surprising, unsettling but real raw feelings. They're jaded and think the game has been rigged against them either way. Democrats or Republican! Neither party seems to be working FOR them! I AGREE!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #32)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:04 PM

45. My daughter is a junior in college. It's

What I am hearing from her and her friends. They love his honesty and his integrity, and that is something that Hillary with all her millions just can't buy.

I just keep telling them to keep on fighting and to never stop.

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Response to azmom (Reply #45)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:27 AM

89. Did You Guys Catch This ???

 

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Response to WillyT (Reply #89)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:42 AM

107. GREAT, Made A Comment There Too...

It's what I'm seeing on a personal level myself.

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Response to azmom (Reply #45)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:37 AM

101. Quick Reply, I Told Them They Had To Stay True To Themselves

no matter what happens in the end. I have to admire them for sticking to their guns regarding this. THEY simply DON'T see Hillary as a good alternative. They seem willing to stand up and NOT to go the way so many of us have in the past, just go along to WIN no matter what! HILLARY won't do!

And you know what, I'm half way there myself. Really thinking of going "their way" and to support them because THEY are our future! I've been very rocky about taking another one on the chin for The DLC/Third Way Party. My my gut and heart isn't there, sad to say.

Don't know if you are old enough to remember when Ronnie RayGuns made the statement, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, IT left me!" I'm there now and it grows day by day. I feel NO AFFINITY for her and think her "ploys" have turned me off!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:46 PM

12. Probably not be active.

I'll vote for who ever is the nominee, but I will not call or canvass for anyone but Bernie. I was a hillary supporter in 2008, but now I just don't trust her new positions. So I will vote for her if she is the nominee, but I will not volunteer.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:46 PM

13. They won't be voting for Hillary, that's for sure. Not any I know. But they WILL be supporting

Progressives locally, statewide and for Congress. It will be all the more important to have a progressive Congress if Bernie is not in the WH. Way more important.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #13)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:49 PM

15. Well now you know one...

This millenial is voting for Hillary.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:16 PM

21. Ok, but ALL the others won't be voting for Clinton.

That's for sure!

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:32 AM

97. But we don't know you.

 

None of us really know each other. We are avatars on an internet board.

People we rub shoulders with in the real world, expressions we can see, tones of voice...context, that is what we really know. This is not a full picture by any means.

Here it is a whisp of familiarity. Nothing really deep.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:53 AM

112. And As We Used To Say, Back In My Day...

You're just a number, only a number! Forgot who sang it, will research! The words made not be exact but I remember hearing them LOUD AND CLEAR!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #13)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:51 AM

111. Great Point... This Is ONE WAY To Our Success! n/t

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:51 PM

16. They will stay home. I'm in school with a bunch of 20/30 somethings, they DON'T LIKE HILLARY. Period

 

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Response to Indepatriot (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:27 PM

28. Where I am many of the volunteers are Harvard or MIT students.

We even get some from BU or Northeastern.

They drive up on the weekend or get a ride with other volunteers in order to help canvass.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:13 AM

60. +1000 n/t

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:57 AM

113. Not Saying I Don't Believe You... But There IS Time To Evolve.

I KNOW what I'm hearing too, AND I'm out doing the same thing for BERNIE! Impasse??

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:53 PM

17. they stay home and we lose the presidency and we dont take back the senate.......

 

a hillary nomination ensure republican rile for decades to come.....

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #17)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:20 PM

24. correct

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:55 PM

18. Eh, I think Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, FB, and Spotify are the MAJOR GAME CHANGERS here!

Do they actually believe Bernie's Sub Reddit isn't going to be getting that group to the polls during the Primaries?! Think again!

Every social media site will be in full on VOTE MODE and you are about to see what Millennials can do for elections. Stay Tuned!

They are ALL plugged into this election and WILL be showing up for Bernie! Seriously, I don't think the CORPORATE OWNED MSM has any clue just how HUGE Bernie's Internet support is!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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Response to in_cog_ni_to (Reply #18)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:58 AM

83. Agreed. The HRC/3rdWay/Debbie crew are hopelessly out of date

and clueless when it comes to grasping the impact of social media. Witnessing their illogical, irrelevant spin is like time traveling back to some 1950's impassioned discussion at my women's club on whether to wear wrist length or elbow length white kid gloves to the annual fundraiser! They simply don't get it!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:18 PM

22. The old man has more appeal


Being black and a proud leftist ,I was an early supporter of Obama back in 07 even when my parents told me that I should be voting for Clinton because America would never elect a Black man (boy they were wrong)

Same story I will be 30 in a few weeks , my father is staunch Clinton supporter and I supporter of sen. Sanders (maybe history can repeat )

If Sen.sanders dosent get the nomination as right now not sure if I could



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Response to Truprogressive85 (Reply #22)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:53 AM

75. Thank You For That...

 




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:21 PM

25. I'm hoping that Bernie will bring some attention to the Democratic Socialists.

We cannot pin all of our hopes on one politician. Like Bernie says we need a political revolution. That means all of us participating in how we decide to run this country.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:37 PM

33. look, even if every one of them brought 5 Clinton voters to the polls

there's that whole big "everyone else" who isn't gonna vote for her

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:57 PM

38. The party will have lost them

 

Not only will the US take a beating from the republican congress and corporatist Mrs Clinton (if she even wins), but the party will suffer another major hit. But the Clintons and Rahm and From will continue to get richer, so nothing will be said about it.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #38)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:59 PM

55. Yup.

And the party loses this old guy...I'll switch to Undeclared in California.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:58 PM

40. And If He Wins, What Will His Young Supporters Do?

Will they remain engaged?

They kind of let President Obama do it all. No surprise he couldn't do everything they/he wanted.

It's not like we have stable banks, society, politics, climate, or world. Wall Street is due for some profit taking, and that won't be good for the rest of us.

It's not like we have democracy; we have a republic, young people need to learn how it works, how to organise. (see AARP)

The WSJ is an institution that infects our thinking, programs our mental OPs, with Corporate thinking, so we have colonized minds without being aware of it.

It's not the only or primary way we get this virus, but it's an epidemic.

How about organizing an Independent Party? In each State?

And a website called, Independent On the Ground?



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Response to Mark Grable (Reply #40)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:01 PM

43. That's why Sanders wants a Political Revolution...

 

It is the young people who have the most to lose (because they are younger and represent the
ones who carry on).

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #43)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:04 PM

44. They are far less likely to be party loyalists so maybe we will see an interest in third parties

coming from this generation.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #44)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:08 PM

46. No harm in pushing and helping the next generation...

 

...and doing my/our part to regain some semblance of a decent humane civilization.

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Response to Mark Grable (Reply #40)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:45 PM

52. They kind of let Obama do it all. That is where I disagree

with you. He used the slogan "Yes we can." but after he never issued orders to his troops. He tried to do it all by himself.

Bernie does not beat around the bush - he says "I cannot do it alone. We need to do it together." There is no room for misunderstanding in this - we need to become active in government - each and everyone of us must stay tuned in and work to get things passed.

And as to coming to organizing another party? Who knows - I think it could come to that. At the moment our party is being pulled in two different way with not much chance of compromise: corporate rule vs rule by the people. The two ideas are not very compatible.

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Response to Mark Grable (Reply #40)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:08 AM

59. They gave Obama HUGE congressional majorities, and told him in no uncertain terms that they

 

were sick of the republicans. The president decided to work with the republicans and for the corporations, instead of for the new voters. It's his fault, not the people he abandoned

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #59)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:15 AM

61. +1. My thoughts exactly.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #59)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:21 AM

63. +1000000

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:00 PM

41. They will be blamed by the Democratic establishment for Hillary's loss to Trump?

You don't need a Krystal Ball to see that one coming.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:01 PM

42. +1000000

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:43 PM

50. You really don't.

 

Many, many people are fed up with the status quo. Hillary is the status quo.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:17 PM

48. All their DU recruiters

 

Will be telling them it's Bernie or nothing.

So I think they will stay home.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #48)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:39 AM

67. The all-powerful DU.

Full of completely insignificant emoprogs, yet powerful enough to sway elections.

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Response to frylock (Reply #67)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:05 AM

70. I didn't say anything about swaying elections. There isn't enough of you. Nt

 

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #70)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:08 AM

71. Nonetheless, Hillary 2016 + Millennials staying home will sway the election.

Bank it.

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Response to frylock (Reply #71)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:27 AM

72. My god you're all over the place

 

Mocking then agreeing and bragging on the very same topic.

How can you even take yourself seriously?

Maybe a good nights sleep will help you out there, because I'm pretty much done with this asinine subthread.

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Response to Sheepshank (Reply #72)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 02:29 AM

73. Well you have yourself a good evening, sir.

Perhaps you'll be better able to keep up after a sound night's rest yourself.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:56 PM

54. Guess I should do a better job keeping up with the memes about Bernie's supporter demographics


I distinctly remember the meme for at least four months was that his ONLY base of support was very old, very rich, mostly female, very New Englander type people.

Now they're trying to tell us his support is only from young disillusioned hipster college kids, mostly male.





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Response to Turn CO Blue (Reply #54)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:48 AM

68. Last week it was 20-35 year-old agro Berniebros..

kicking chairs and tipping tables all over teh internets. It is getting hard to keep up.

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Response to Turn CO Blue (Reply #54)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:39 AM

69. Next week:

 

Bernie's base of support is illegal immigrants from Somalia, whom ACORN buses around to different polling places so they can cast multiple votes for him.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:26 AM

64. Well, they'll either vote for Clinton or they'll stay home and pout.



Clinton can siphon off MORE than enough Independent and Moderate Republican votes to make up for it, especially running against a right-wing nutball like Trump or Carson. It's only the rabid left and rabid right who hate her--the voters in the middle like her fine. If they want to disenfranchise themselves and lose their seats at the grown-up table, have at it. Life is not about getting your own way all the time, even if you are PASSIONATELY CERTAIN that you are right and everyone else is wrong. Sometimes you have to stop being a precious little snowflake and start being part of a team that includes viewpoints OTHER than your own. You are not the only people who matter.

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Response to Lyric (Reply #64)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:58 AM

76. "The Rabid Left"... Is That FDR, Or A Warner Bros. Cartoon ???

 

When we have fellow Democrats implying our own demise, dissing our own successful history...

What use IS this partry... except for the cocktails... and the money...


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Response to WillyT (Reply #76)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:53 AM

81. There's also the money.

And then there's the money...

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Response to Lyric (Reply #64)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:31 AM

90. "It's only the rabid left and rabid right who hate her..."

Point out where the article said anything about those on the left hating her. That is YOUR assumption and a pretty stupid one at that. Anytime anyone on DU mentions policy disagreements the "haters" and "Hillary bashers" memes come out. It shows the lack of intelligence on the part of some Clinton supporters who can't or won't argue the merits of policy and choose to instead regurgitate these crappy memes.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:45 AM

78. How Sanders himself responds to a Clinton nomination would be important.

If Clinton becomes the Democratic nominee for president (and I say "if", a lot would depend on what Sanders himself does. He has already said he would not be a "spoiler," and he has said over and over again that he and Clinton are friends. If Sanders wholeheartedly endorses Clinton at that critical point, campaigns on her behalf, and delivers a rousing speech for her at the Democratic convention, some Sanders supporters may accept the political reality they face and vote for Clinton. If Sanders steps aside quietly, does not support Clinton enthusiastically, and declines to speak at the Democratic convention, then many of Sanders' supporters may follow his lead and "sit this one out."

I tend to think Sanders would put pragmatism ahead of ideological purity at that point and would support Clinton. Some of Sanders' supporters might feel betrayed. Others might feel betrayed if Elizabeth Warren enthusiastically endorses Clinton, which I think is a certainty if Clinton is nominated or picks up a huge lead in the early primaries. Sanders and Warren understand that the stakes are big in this election.

But the primary voting hasn't even begun, and it is important for each person to work hard for his or her candidate. I will remain an enthusiastic supporter of O'Malley until the nominee is decided.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #78)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:52 AM

80. He'll probably say that we still need a mass movement no matter who the nominee is

And he's right.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #78)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:55 AM

82. I'm Sure He Will Support Hillary If She Is The Nominee... Speak On Her Behalf At The Convention...

 

The question is... how many disappointed, and newly minted voters...

Give up?


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Response to WillyT (Reply #82)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:38 AM

85. I suppose it would depend on how convincing Sanders would be.

The aftermath of Sherrod Brown's endorsement of Clinton shows how some turn against a "progressive hero" when they feel betrayed.

Elizabeth Warren's endorsement would be an even bigger disappointment.

Bernie Sanders would have to directly address his followers about the political reality of compromise -- getting some of what you want rather than getting nothing at all.

"All or nothing" doesn't work in politics, and it doesn't work in life either.

I stick with O'Malley because he calls for cooperation and working together to strive for the common good. I like the positive theme of his campaign.

Democracy as a way of life is about working together. Working together requires compromise and negotiation among like-minded individuals who both agree and disagree.

However, democracy does not require compromise with undemocratic or authoritarian individuals who pursue private ends at the expense of others.

At this point in time, our partial democracy is on the ropes. We can't let it slip away entirely because of some ideological stubbornness about "purity."

There are no "philosopher kings" running in this primary. Even if there were, the "people" would not recognize or elect one. We do the best with what we have.

People have to be educated to govern themselves wisely. There just isn't time in a political season to do what years of formal education have failed to do.

Maybe we should concentrate more on "policy discussion" and less on "winning or losing."

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Response to Koinos (Reply #85)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:47 AM

86. If Hillary Wins.. Many Of Us Lose...

 


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Response to WillyT (Reply #86)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 07:10 AM

88. We keep doing our best, and we keep trying to be good people.

The rest is largely out of our control, including political outcomes.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 08:38 AM

91. They form into the 'light blue shirts'. The elite Sanders youth corps! heh. nt

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:26 AM

93. The question is, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE COUNTRY?

The stakes are high. Their final departure from the political process will be part of a much wider revolution in the streets.

Corporatism and cronyism under Clinton, only to be outdone by the Republican horses' asses.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:21 AM

95. I guess they'll have to stay home

I would never have done that at any age, but apparently the younger generation is my way or the highway types. At least, that's what I've been told.

Not EVERY young person is for BS to the point they absolutely hate Hillary that much. But the BS crowd keeps trying to threaten us we will lose them all and can't win. And it does not explain why high percentages of Democrats prefer Hillary. Yet we should give up our preference due to being blackmailed by people who say they will stay home if we don't vote their way. Elections aren't like that - they are about what a majority wants, mainly.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:22 AM

96. Two points and an afterthought

1. Surely the suggestion is not that the rest of the Democratic electorate should vote for Bernie just because young people like him? The same voting block that is notoriously untrustworthy when it comes to showing up at the polls? The suggestion that one of the least trustworthy voting blocks will do what they almost always do (stay home) if we don't give them what they want, is the most absurd form of blackmail I've ever seen. That is not a good enough argument for supporting Bernie.

2. Hillary is in all likelihood going to win the nomination. If she does, the future will to some extent depend on Bernie Sanders. Yes, you read that right: on Bernie Sanders. A lot will depend on how he responds, and on how much leadership he can show in getting his supporters to vote for Hillary. I trust Bernie, and I think he knows very well that there is only a few inches of space between him and Hillary, compared to the wide gap between Hillary and the radicals in the GOP. And as such, I trust that he will do the right thing, which would be to do the opposite of pulling a Nader: he will encourage his supporters to vote for Hillary. For nothing less than the future of the country is at stake, and the GOP is too unstable and insane to be entrusted with the presidency again.

Afterthought: When I listen to my students (18-19 years old) a lot of them are pretty conservative. They are liberal on social issues (somewhat), but when it comes to money, they want it, and lots of it, and they don't like the idea of too much change to the system. A lot of them say Bernie is "too radical." A lot absolutely hate Hillary, but when I ask them why, all I hear are cliches that are clearly echoes of old talking points, mixed in with a healthy does of underlying misogyny. Some of them like Trump, because "he'll kick ass." Some like Carson, because he is "nice." Some like Rubio, because he is "handsome." When I listen to them, I despair. I am grateful that most of them will probably not vote. They are simply too busy figuring out who they are right now to really spend time on thinking about politics. Granted, these are the younger millennials.

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #96)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:05 AM

99. Do you understand how offensive that is to young voters?

 

"The suggestion that one of the least trustworthy voting blocks will do what they almost always do (stay home) if we don't give them what they want, is the most absurd form of blackmail I've ever seen"

They are not some minority interest group out for special treatment, they are the future of America! What happens to the country moving forward effects them more than anyone else, because they'll be the ones who live through it all the longest. It's about time the question became 'What do we have to do to energize and motivate the younger voters?' instead of just looking down on them as an 'untrustworthy voting block'.

The political system is so complex and so archaic that its hard for a younger voter to understand why things are the way they are. When you strip away the bullshit and actually give them a clear and progressive cause to champion, they'll be the most active and energetic part of the party. Then we might actually see some real change happening instead of the endless glacial drift to the right.

Trust them, inspire them and support them, and they will achieve more than any of us jaded older folk think possible.

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Response to Kentonio (Reply #99)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:42 AM

105. One of the most rewarding thing I've done during the

Bernie campaign is to table for him at one of our local universities. Talking to these young people has absolutely kept me inspired! I'm a Boomer and the Millennials outnumber us. They're smart, they're politically aware and they're passionate about Bernie!

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #105)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:49 AM

109. Awesome to hear!

 

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #96)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:00 PM

115. enjoy your stay. n/t

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:38 AM

102. Two words:

Write in.

That's what I'm hearing on the streets, anyway.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 11:39 AM

103. We write in Bernie for POTUS

 

and vote non-third way Democrats downticket.

(I only speak for myself)

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:05 PM

116. We would hope that Bernie supporters would understand

the larger picture. Do not back down from their ideals. Continue to be active in the Democratic Party. Support the winner and hold their feet to the fire.
Personally I hope Bernie makes the cut. If not I will support Hillary. I will hope she will not disappoint me as much as Obama has.

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Response to randr (Reply #116)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 05:38 PM

146. You would hope that we would vote for the Third Way?

The "larger picture" is that the third way is nothing more than republican light. Hillary Clinton is not a progressive - all you have to do is look at the people who donate to her to understand that concept.

The gap between rich and poor is greater than ever & the democratic party wants to shove someone in who is supported by Wall Street?

Really?



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Response to TBF (Reply #146)

Sun Nov 1, 2015, 10:12 AM

153. Really? Hillary no better than the teabaggers?

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Response to randr (Reply #153)

Sun Nov 1, 2015, 12:17 PM

154. Read it again - this time with comprehension. nt

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:18 PM

118. Talking to some young millennials I knows, who are Bernie supporters, I'm thinking

they will revolt. They are sick of the fact that they might only get low paying jobs often not even in their field after acquiring a debt burdened education.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:29 PM

121. If they've been reading DU lately the party has lost them forever

Just like me.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:07 PM

132. There's already a plan afoot

to take over every single Democratic Central Committee in America on the local level.

We already know this is a long game.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:27 PM

136. They will never vote for Hillary.

Hopefully they will continue to organize and force change. Their future has been sold to the highest bidder to corporate America.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 04:13 PM

141. I think young voters know this is the last chance to stop the oligarchy.

 

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:32 PM

147. oh this is far from over...

 

no one is writing concession speeches ..trust me....we have a very long way to go and Hillary has been trying to co opt Bernie's sincerely hard fought for positions because she sees that they touch a nerve..so it is quite convenient for her to play politics with misinformed voters...but this is not over yet...not by a long shot!

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2015, 12:50 AM

152. If?

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Sun Nov 1, 2015, 09:09 PM

155. Last Kick From Me...

 


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Response to WillyT (Reply #155)

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 11:55 AM

157. Young people are too stupid to vote in my opinion

 

They should go back to watching Kardashians or something else.

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