Stop the train! Am I reading this right?

[Bonobo]

Are Hillary supporters actually applauding Hillary for "defending the pulpit" -unlike the cowardly Sanders!?

Are they actually defending Hillary standing by as the BLM protestors are thrown out by police at a speech on civil rights?

Are they actually criticizing Sanders for letting the BLM protestors speak in his place to show his commitment to "Black Lives Matter"?

Are they actually criticizing Sanders for standing head bowed during a moment of silence that BLM asked for?

What is this, an alternate universe? Is there ANY sense of consistency or even a shred of intellectual honesty to be seen?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

1. They know that this is a misstep in Hillary's campaign

so Hillary supporters are running around like scalded cats.

[Cha]

12. Your jury results.. I am Juror #6

They know that this is a misstep in Hillary's campaign
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=747988

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Stop with the ugly insults of fellow democrats. No one is running around, let alone like scalded cats. What an absurd insult at that.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Oct 31, 2015, 12:17 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If you're going to insult Hillary, that's your prerogative. She's taken much worse in her career--she is tough enough to handle herselr. But leave your fellow DU'ers alone. I'm so sick of the unhinged Clinton-haters on this board.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No, sorry.. your insult aside.. Actually Hill supporters are proud of Hillary and #BlackLivesMatter.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[zeemike]

22. I can't believe it was even alerted on.

Or came even close to a hide.

When people become that sensitive to criticism it does not speak well of us.

[sabrina 1]

66. Anything that contradicts the talking points is alerted on. Mostly the alerts don't succeed.

[yuiyoshida]

276. is this a new

tactic?

[cui bono]

279. Nope. Over a month ago there was a post on another site by someone named George II

who boasted that he was trying to prod cali into a 5th hide on DU. And then there was a thread on that same site, known affectionately as the Clinton Cave, by someone named Chae that talked about them having their own juries on DU.

Of course that's just when the documented evidence showed up. So who knows how long it has been going on.

[yuiyoshida]

284. How can they have their own juries

when jury selection is random? That makes no sense. When I am picked as a juror I have no idea who alerted and who else is a juror. Is someone pulling so called "facts" from dark places?

[cui bono]

294. There are ways to be sure you are not eliminated from the jury selection pool.

They have other tactics too which I am not going to post in public. But it's in their own words, in Chae's words where s/he said one of "our juries" on DU. There's a screencap of it somewhere on DU.

They obsess over DU over at Clinton Cave. They are so full of hatred they go over there to let it all out and plot how to come after DUers. It's just like the Conservative Cave except it's Bernie haters that call themselves Clinton "supporters". The only thing they are accomplishing is making Clinton look bad and themselves look pathetic.

[merrily]

76. How about Reply 40? Bit of irony there, eh, wot, old chum?

[zeemike]

124. Unbelievable.

But the vindictiveness of her supporters convinces me I am on the right side if there was nothing else.

[Live and Learn]

132. +1 nt

[sabrina 1]

207. Yes, that is a good word for it. They forget that they will have to come begging for

votes should she win the nomination, and since she has virtually no crossover appeal, the very people they have been attacking and smearing and mocking etc, will the ones they have come to to help her win. Good luck with that. I for one will never forget the nasty smears against Sanders and his supporters.

[zeemike]

224. I think they count on the fear factor.

We are to be so afraid of the GOP crazy that will will have no choice but to pick the lesser of the two.
Boogie men play an important roll in getting children to do what you want (in some people's method of child rearing)...and they see us as children.

[cui bono]

281. Yet they have no explanation as to how Hillary is going to get things passed when the profess that

Bernie won't be able to.

I, for one, will NOT vote for Hillary if she wins the nom, which I'm pretty sure she will not. I'm in a true blue state so I can afford to stand by my principles and stand up for democracy.

[Kelvin Mace]

231. And when she loses,

it will be our fault for refusing to back them and their center-right candidate.

[JackInGreen]

266. That's why they keep begging loyalty oaths now

"Have we hit you in the face too much yet? You'll cone back right?"

[jfern]

308. But the meme is that it's Bernie supporters who are the big meanies

Hillary supporters are all perfect angels since no one is waging war against them.

[zeemike]

311. Projection is a strategy

What ever you are doing accuse the other side of doing it...and if the accusation is false no doubt they will defend themselves distracting from what you have done...make it about them whether it is or not.

[polly7]

127. They really, really don't like their hatred exposed.

Manny spoke the absolute truth, the screenshot that proved what he said has been posted here many times.

Is that site untouchable now?

[merrily]

174. I'd love to see the jury results, woudn't you?

Wouldn't it be ironic if he got a hide for an allegedly anti-Semitic remark?

[polly7]

181. I sure would.

Strange that it hasn't been posted.

[merrily]

185. If I had participated in that jury, I wouldn't be so quick to post the results.

[polly7]

188. True that. I'd love to see the alerter's comments though ...

because this was a bull* hide if I've ever seen one.

[merrily]

191. I've seen a couple that were probably as bad. Don't think I've seen worse.

[rhett o rick]

89. Their desparation is getting worse. Since there are apparently zero issues they will discuss

they must attack. Sadly one of the only reasons they've given to support HRC is her toughness. If you think about it, that says a lot. Conservatives love their tough, strong, take charge leaders.

[whathehell]

104. +10

but not much surprises me around here any more.

[Locrian]

119. its starting to get ridiculous

and oh so transparent....

[BlueCaliDem]

131. Calling Hillary Clinton supporters "scalded cats" isn't offensive to you Sanders supporters?

[peacebird]

136. No. Not really. Not at all.

[BlueCaliDem]

139. Well, this season, we ARE separating the wheat from the chaff, so...

[DhhD]

151. Triangulated Wheat Crop, in which the New Democrats are separating from the Left by

Hillary Clinton and her backers.

“Triangulation, as I understand it, is an intentional political strategy to win favor with swing voters by pushing off the left. That’s not what the president is doing, and that’s not our strategy,” Pfeiffer wrote POLITICO in an e-mail. “We want to convince all Democrats to support this [tax] deal because we think it is good for the economy and good for the middle and working class.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2010/12/the-dirtiest-word-in-politics-046218#ixzz3q9gaWvn1

and
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_hasbeen/2009/03/yes_he_is.html

and shifting away from the Left:
https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrSbnus1zRW57wAcCil87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgMEZ3ByaWQDWTJGVk9EejZUSWljMTFXc09hblJMQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDNARvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAMzNwRxdWVyeQNEZW1vY3JhdGljIExlYWRlcnNoaXAgQ291bmNpbCBoaXN0b3J5BHRfc3RtcAMxNDQ2MzAzNjY1?p=Democratic+Leadership+Council+history&fr=sfp&fr2=sb-top-search&iscqry=

[BlueCaliDem]

155. No. Democratic Wheat Crop - separating true Democrats from the "sometimes" ones.

Triangulation worked once upon a time. It's actually called "compromise", something both the far-Left and the far-Right detest. In that, they are purists, and in that, they don't differ much from their right-wing counterparts.
In political science, it's called the Horseshoe Theory.

[center][/center]
The horseshoe theory in political science asserts that rather than the far left and the far right being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, they in fact closely resemble one another, much like the ends of a horseshoe. The theory is attributed to French writer Jean-Pierre Faye.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory

[DhhD]

208. In the Matter and Energy, there are three particles to Plans and Policies.

We have the security particle of the Many. The double spin particle of Hillary Clinton. And the atrophy particle of the GOP. That is Left to Center to Right. We are in a left universe.

Will it be Left and Center or Center and Right. A horseshoe is only one side of the orbital. What is on the other side of the orbital? Nothing is stationary in the real world.

[BlueCaliDem]

210. When people try picking apart an argument down to the atom, I always revert to this:

KISS.

For clarity's sake, by the way, it's an acronym.

[polly7]

137. LOL!

No-one called anyone scalded cats!

'Like' scalded cats - you forgot a word.

[BlueCaliDem]

142. LOL!

Same difference. And that single word changes nothing in the sentence structure. If you can't see that then it's because you don't WANT to.

But I can understand the willful myopia. The anger shooting like waves of searing fire through Sanders supporters these days has to be all-consuming and is, obviously, inciting panic within the fold. People in panic mode are rarely rational.

[polly7]

147. No it's NOT the same difference!

Unless you need to make it so.

[BlueCaliDem]

150. Yeah, it is.

I'm certain when the stormy winds die down you'll eventually see it.

[polly7]

182. Lol. Like I said ....... only if you NEED it to be.

'running around like scalded cats'.

[BlueCaliDem]

193. Lol. Like I advised...wait until those stormy winds die down and you'll

eventually see what I mean - IF you want to.

[polly7]

198. Oh good grief, once the 'stormy winds die down', I doubt I'll be able to raise

one teeny, tiny bit of concern over anyone running around like a damned scalded cat.

Did you know children are starving all over the word today?

[BlueCaliDem]

213. I've said more than I cared to on this subject, and I have NO desire to veer off

into another, totally different one under this sub-thread. But thank you for the offer, polly7. But I just want to say before I leave this sub-thread that I know that your heart is in the right place.

[polly7]

216. Well that was kind! ... thank you, I believe yours is also.

[BlueCaliDem]

220. It's how I really feel, polly7.

[zeemike]

144. No it's not.

But then I don't believe in treating any group as fragile flowers that need to be protected from words.
And I would guess if they were in charge we would have a ton of words and phrases that were forbidden to speak...or perhaps they would create Newspeak so no one could ever be offended by words again...a brave new world that would suck.

[BlueCaliDem]

146. I've noticed. But I guess it's ok. People need to be more charitable when they're

on the top, and from that prime position, should allow those to be less charitable at the bottom - within reason.

[zeemike]

170. You mean the right to speak freely is a charitable grant?

Free speech is dead then I guess...killed and justified by protecting people from being offended by words...and now it may be granted as charity.
Yep we are way far down the rabbit hole.

[BlueCaliDem]

172. You know that's not what I meant. A simple reread of my post

will tell you as much.

[zeemike]

175. Well glad to know that

Because that is what it sounded like to me.

[BlueCaliDem]

196. Glad to have helpe clear that up for you.

[cherokeeprogressive]

237. "You are a scalded cat." "You're running around like a scalded cat."

Is there no subtle difference between those two statements. You know... where one calls a person a scalded cat, and one DOESN'T?

[Divernan]

242. So you hate cats?

[BlueCaliDem]

247. Did I say I did? eom

[Prism]

244. Not as offensive as homophobic remarks at one's political adversaries

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024994297

But your mileage clearly varies.

[BlueCaliDem]

248. Ahh...post-stalking, I see.

A tactic clearly used by you against your political adversaries - which, correct me if I'm wrong, appear to be Democrats.

[Prism]

254. Nah, people just remember things

Call me crazy, but when someone posts an OP defending their homophobic remarks, a gay person will tend to remember the name. Just a quirk of us gay folk, I think. We tend not to forget those things.

Took literally 3 seconds to find in a search. Glance at box above, type "Gigi", and voila. There you are. No stalking or effort required.

My adversaries are people who apologize for homophobia, no matter what their political party.

Maybe work on not being a part of that group?

(I enjoy how the greater sin here, in your mind, is that I spent three seconds noting your past behavior and not the fact that your behavior was repellent to begin with. Nice priorities).

[Puglover]

264. Yep.

Using "stalking" is supposed to send you crawling away filled with shame. Appears to have not worked in this case.

This gay man has that quirk in spades. And I remember that ugly stuff clearly. AND the doubling down.

I swear some folks don't remember that what happens on the internets STAYS on the internets.

[Prism]

267. Well, look at this week

One poster figured LGBT rights problems weren't all that bad since we can hide our sexuality. They deleted and skipped right along as if that homophobia we've been getting on this board for over a decade didn't come out of their mouth.

Not that I didn't think that was the prevailing attitude of that clique. They've been open about that sentiment for years. But nice to see it. And it brought up such warm memories of epic threads past where all these modern day social justice advocates basically melted down at gay people for the better part of Obama's first term.

Never happened!

[beam me up scottie]

277. Jesus H. Christ.

First the homophobia then dishonesty and hypocrisy, I'm shocked.

Actually I'm not, thank you for finding that, it explains a lot.

[bvar22]

272. Read it again.

Nobody called Hillary supporters "scalded cats".
He merely said Hillary supporters were behaving LIKE scalded cats today.

...and appropriate observation.

[BlueCaliDem]

290. I have. It makes it no less offensive.

If I were to write that Sanders supporters were behaving LIKE petulant children, would that be offensive to you, bvar? Even if it was "an appropriate observation"?

[Doctor_J]

306. Speaking of petulant children

Which candidate's supporters created their own site to do nothing but attack and insult the supporters of the other?

[bvar22]

315. Nobody on the Internet can offend me. I laugh at the anthics of the Hillary supporters.

...more childish every day. I wouldn't be here at all but for the comedy and amusement presented by the Hillary Club.

Your "speculation" has no basis in reality, and, in fact, happens here every day.

[stranger81]

273. You know, if Team Hillary were not permitted to insult,

misrepresent and condescend to Sanders supporters here, a good 40% of the posts in GD, GDP, and the HRC and AA groups would vanish.

The double standards here are glaring and outrageous.

[BlueCaliDem]

302. Odd. But this is exactly the complaint I hear from fellow Hillary Clinton supporters of

Sanders supporters.

Yes. The double standards here are glaring and outrageous, all right.

[cui bono]

288. It's really hypocritical to bring it up unless you have also called out Hillary supporters

for calling Sanders supporters far worse, like "unhinged". And someone doing so in an OP that lands on the Greatest Threads page says a lot about how seriously Hillary supporters feel about holding back insults.

I think we are free to call Hillary supporters whatever we like unless there is a double standard. Not saying we should, just point out hypocrisy, which is exactly what this OP is about, btw.

[BlueCaliDem]

295. It's not hypocritical because Sanders supporters don't waste time pointing it out, as you have done,

while ignoring and not pointing out the name-calling by their fellow Sanders supporters of Hillary Clinton supporters. In fact, as you've just shown, you defend it.

But you expect Hillary Clinton supporters to call out fellow Hillary Clinton supporters when they do exactly what Sanders supporters do? What is this? Do as I say, not as I do?

That's pretty hypocritical to me.

By the way, all posts on Greatest Threads are pro-Sanders. You have nothing to complain about.

[cui bono]

297. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, what it is doesn't change by what anyone claims it is or is not.

[BlueCaliDem]

301. On this we'll agree.

[AgingAmerican]

343. It's a figure of speech

It means doing something hurriedly.

[L0oniX]

336. It's like being back in grade school.

[Bonobo]

43. I always think of the "Going Native" episode of South Park when I see that "mahalo".

[hootinholler]

98. It appears that the truth hurts n/t

[fredamae]

103. Only as "it" confronts the lies. n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

112. Well, it sure hurts the alerters in this thread, anyway...

[merrily]

200. That's a hell of a hide, isn't it?

[Babel_17]

369. I'm guessing at least one juror doesn't/didn't know the whole story

I once voted to hide a post that I later learned wasn't actually a tasteless insult, it was instead part an parcel of some long standing banter between friends. It got hidden and I apologized for my part in that in the thread. I was very graciously told not to sweat it, it was taken as not being a big deal. I always read threads before voting, but it was a reminder to check twice before hiding. Though there wasn't any hint of it being just banter in the thread, I would have needed to intuit that it was.

[merrily]

370. I once made a post so sarcastic that I actually decided against using the sarcasm emote because I

thought using it would insult the intelligence of DU. One juror was genuinely confused. The others who voted to hide not only voted for spite, but said so.

Underestimating the integrity of some people can be hard.

[Babel_17]

371. Yeah, I felt bad about my vote on that one too

Just kidding!

P.S. "Just kidding!" in the sense of my not having been on that jury, not that I'm kidding about feeling bad about the vote. Wow, "tone" is hard to get right when posting!

P.P.S. Obviously I'm kidding about having to make it clear about saying "Just Kidding!".

P.P.P.S. Should I just delete this?

lol

[merrily]

372. No, please don't delete. It made me smile.

I can barely wait until I get to jury one of your posts, though.

[ybbor]

100. I love this episode!

And I also love Manny's comment. I didn't think that the "Hawaiian" came to DU any more.

[DhhD]

158. Hawaiians were the head of the DLC. I believe it was shut down in a hide attempt.

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AwrSbnus1zRW57wAcCil87UF;_ylc=X1MDOTU4MTA0NjkEX3IDMgRmcgMEZ3ByaWQDWTJGVk9EejZUSWljMTFXc09hblJMQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDNARvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAwRxc3RybAMzNwRxdWVyeQNEZW1vY3JhdGljIExlYWRlcnNoaXAgQ291bmNpbCBoaXN0b3J5BHRfc3RtcAMxNDQ2MzAzNjY1?p=Democratic+Leadership+Council+history&fr=sfp&fr2=sb-top-search&iscqry=

[Warren DeMontague]

319. Somebody REALLY doesnt want people to see that screencap that Manny linked to.

I wonder why?

[opiate69]

326. Which screen cap?

this one??

[Warren DeMontague]

359. Speaking of unexpected paranormal apparitions!

Happy Halloween, sir!

[opiate69]

361. Happy halloween to you too, ami!

[Scootaloo]

44. And lo, doth the alert stalking begennith

[Enthusiast]

72. So appropriate for Halloween.

[JackInGreen]

74. Wish it were MORE like a horror movie

The music would change...or you'd hear little girls skipping rope with nursery rhymes....or a little 'haaahaaahaaaahshhhshhshhshh' when the stalking started.

[merrily]

78. It begunneth a good while ago, but, yea, it continueth, even nigh unto Reply 40.

[marym625]

219. Smh

I started to write out what I think about all this shit. Then I realized, there's no need. Some people are doing a great job of showing their cowardice and hypocrisy and we don't have to piont it out. It's there for all to see

[merrily]

221. If it weren't for the primary, I'd consider making a link to that post my sig line.

[marym625]

222. LOL!

That would be pretty funny!

[artislife]

47. Ha ha ha ha ha

Good jury.

Poor little jurors 5 and 6, they cannot look at the situation as it is, not as they want it to be.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. Petty personal attacks seem to be the only quiver in some people's arsenal.

Last edited Sat Oct 31, 2015, 10:15 AM - Edit history (1)

But like MamaDSB taught me, God bless her memory, the only people whose opinions can hurt you are those people whose opinions you respect.

[Control-Z]

379. I love what MamaDSB taught you

I've heard it said other ways but I like hers best.

"The only people whose opinions can hurt you are those people whose opinions you respect."

I haven't really had many opinions hurt me on DU, for quite some time. I must be suffering a deplorable lack of respect.

[riversedge]

105. Good explanation Cha

[packman]

125. Your posting of the jury decision confuses me

When I was banned for making a suggestion about Hillary and a possible tryst as being suggested by the Benghazi Committee, I objected with a post trying to clarify my statement and THAT TOO was banned with the explanation that one cannot question jury decisions.

YET, here you post the results of a jury decision?

Can you or can you not question a jury decision - or is it allowable in "certain" circumstances?

[Warren Stupidity]

166. Allow me to explain: hosts can only lock the original post.

That is the only power they have. If the OP is in the SOP of the forum the rest is up to juries. You can post all the jury results you want, and whine away at your leisure, within a thread, just don't start a new thread with that as the topic.

[merrily]

203. The whine could also get "juried" and then hidden.

[luvspeas]

128. OK

[Flying Phoenix]

161. Thank you for being a biased juror. That was very revealing.

[ColesCountyDem]

223. By definition, jurors are biased. n/t

[cui bono]

305. Absolutely not.

[ColesCountyDem]

310. If they don't develp a bias, how do they ever reach a decision?

Logic-- it works!

[cui bono]

321. No. Bias is a precondition, not a conclusion based on objective analysis.

[ColesCountyDem]

333. Bias is not always a pre-condition

[bahy-uh s]

Synonyms
Examples
Word Origin

noun
1.
a particular tendency, trend, inclination, feeling, or opinion, especially one that is preconceived or unreasoned: illegal bias against older job applicants; the magazine’s bias toward art rather than photography;
our strong bias in favor of the idea.
2.
unreasonably hostile feelings or opinions about a social group; prejudice:
accusations of racial bias.
3.
an oblique or diagonal line of direction, especially across a woven fabric.
4.
Statistics. a systematic as opposed to a random distortion of a statistic as a result of sampling procedure.
5.
Lawn Bowling.

a slight bulge or greater weight on one side of the ball or bowl.
the curved course made by such a ball when rolled.

6.
Electronics. the application of a steady voltage or current to an active device, as a diode or transistor, to produce a desired mode of operation.
7.
a high-frequency alternating current applied to the recording head of a tape recorder during recording in order to reduce distortion.
adjective
8.
cut, set, folded, etc., diagonally:
This material requires a bias cut.
adverb
9.
in a diagonal manner; obliquely; slantingly:
to cut material bias.
verb (used with object), biased, biasing or (especially British) biassed, biassing.
10.
to cause to hold or exhibit a particular bias; to influence, especially unfairly: a tearful plea designed to bias the jury;
a survey biased toward highly educated people.
11.
Electronics. to apply a steady voltage or current to (the input of an active device).
Idioms
12.
on the bias,

in the diagonal direction of the cloth.
out of line; slanting.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bias

Have a nice evening.

[cherokeeprogressive]

215. I'm choking on the irony.

[Perogie]

263. Ridiculous that it was called out.

[cui bono]

278. Juror #5.... lmao!!! the hypocrisy...

They can't even see it.

But leave your fellow DU'ers alone. I'm so sick of the unhinged Clinton-haters on this board.

This calls for the trademarked

[Warren DeMontague]

317. "Leave your fellow DU'ers alone"- like the other day when a 20 post newbie called me a Republican?

And certain assorted members of team HRC couldn't contain their hyuk hyuk hyuk glee over it? Tee-hee! Tee-hee!

Ive put in 10 years on this website and I've been voting and canvassing for Democrats since before certain bloggers - who apparently believe they are entitled to "kick me out of the party" - were born.

Leave your fellow DUers alone? From the people who have spent the past 3 months trying to paint "sanders supporters" as everything from white supremacists to venezulan stalinists to purple-shirt and fedora wearing hipster bros?

From the people who set up a separate website for the specific purpose of bad-mouthing DU members?

..right, sure.

[polly7]

320. Right on, Warren.

I saw that.

T'was ugly.

[Warren DeMontague]

323. Remeber, though, I got my "ass handed to me"

I'll remeber that, next time someone is trying to make a linear point in an argument against me, all I need to do is get flustered, go "lol" a lot, and then fall back on lame ad hominem attacks, like accusing the person of loving Rand Paul--- instant "ass-handin'"!

[arcane1]

376. I thought she was "inherently amoral"?

Did someone evolve?

[pocoloco]

18. Hell, normal cats are hard enough to herd!!

LOL

[passiveporcupine]

62. you haven't opened a can of tuna lately have you?

[Bohunk68]

93. Oooooo, I like that!!

[Volaris]

109. Agreed...cats are only hard to herd when you don't know what they want.

[A Simple Game]

121. Some much prefer the stick to the carrot. n/t

[Hydra]

29. I see the helpful Juror beneath you is upset

But I salute you for calling it- Team Hillary is out on the hot tin roof with no net...and not many of them are landing on their feet.

[Enthusiast]

71. +1 for accuracy in reporting.

[NaturalHigh]

173. How was it a misstep?

It's about time someone stood up to these jerks.

[randys1]

179. Young Black people asking police to stop killing them are jerks to you, no surprise.

[NaturalHigh]

190. When people act like jerks, I have no problem calling them such.

People went to the rally to see and hear Secretary Clinton, not to deal with these protesters.

[polly7]

195. What better opportunity for them to get their message out

and try to find out exactly where major candidates stand on the issues vitally important to them?

Code Pink does the same thing all the time ...... they know they'll be thrown out but they've raised awareness to so many things.

One example: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026158064

Why shouldn't BLM do whatever they can, peacefully, to try to get answers to their questions. These events they're protesting at are sure to get them awareness ...... I think they're being smart. Standing on a street corner holding up signs really doesn't do much anymore.

[cui bono]

289. Did you express the same feelings when Hillary supporters were attacking Sanders

about BLM?

[NaturalHigh]

292. Yes.

[cui bono]

299. Good on you for consistency.

[snort]

187. They know that this is a misstep in Hillary's campaign

so Hillary supporters are running around like scalded cats.

[Uncle Joe]

2. I believe you nailed it, Bonobo.

Thanks for the thread.

[MissDeeds]

11. +1

The hypocrisy is mind boggling, but not unexpected.

[Doctor_J]

3. yeah the personality cult is getting more revolting by the day

Of course the instigator is a "former Sanders supporter" who then became convinced that Bernie's a racist (after he let blm commandeer the Medicare forum), went to the new hate site, and is now back to again inform us that Sanders and his supporters are racists.

It's weird around here.

[daleanime]

4. So it's not just me.....

feeling that way.

[Armstead]

6. Sigh

Sometimes the drama is a bit much

[Fuddnik]

14. Cloud KooKoo Land visits DU.

[MissDeeds]

17. "The instigator is a former Sanders supporter"

Gee, wonder who that is.

[840high]

19. All I can do now is laugh at the Hill supporters.

[frylock]

33. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:22 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

yeah the personality cult is getting more revolting by the day
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=748018

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

A disruptive Meta thread purely to insult fellow Duers and post after post from Sanders supporters doing just that, insulting fellow Duers. No one has called Sanders a racist but Sanders supporters. Doctor J is calling out Bravenak once again, and attributing lies to her. It is weird all around that this is allowed to continue on DU. Over the top, disruptive, rude and hurtful

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Oct 30, 2015, 11:31 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is clearly bullcrap. The HRC supporters are alerting on everything now. Sadly that's all they've got. 
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[artislife]

49. Another good jury. nt

[Scootaloo]

59. "No one has called Sanders a racist!"

Yeah, and Doctor J didn't mention anyone's name.

Funny how information can be implicitly conveyed without being explicitly stated, innit alerter?

[JimDandy]

102. I wonder if they will get what you just said.

It's the one strategy Clinton supporters (who have the enormous burden of defending a candidate with so many negative isssues) have left with an opponent who has so few issues to attack. To imply allows one to wield then deny.

[frylock]

167. Yeah, is there a flowchart handy?

[Doctor_J]

87. well yesterday one of the de facto leaders of the Clinton supporters posted that he

"DESPISES Sanders and all of his supporters". I alerted on that and it survived, so tolerance seems to be high.

[cui bono]

293. Dear Alerter.... did you also alert on the OP in the HRC group that called Bernie supporters

"unhinged" and made it to the greatest page? Please post the results.

Thanks!

EDITED

[DisgustipatedinCA]

37. Just you wait until the federal investigation into the "threatening" mail is complete.

That person is living proof that having a forceful personality doesn't necessarily have anything to do with truthfulness.

[stevenleser]

42. These kinds of accusations against other DUers are getting to be a pattern with you.

You just got a post hidden for doing it to me and now you are doing it with Bravenak.

I am honored to be in her company.

[artislife]

50. I don't trust the source nt

[Bonobo]

57. In a few years, he will be singing his praises. nt

[Scuba]

60. Snort!

[snort]

197. Here!

Sorry I'm late.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

68. I wasn't accusing you of anything. I was saying it outright, and it was hidden.

My words are no less true for being hidden. I apologize for nothing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

134. "I am honored to be in her company."

As am I , Steve...

[whatchamacallit]

258. Thank goodness you finally lost that absurd, over dramatic, solidarity pic

Thing was embarrassing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

259. I kind of liked it. Maybe one day you will do something to make me honored to be in your company.

[whatchamacallit]

261. Apparently spouting continuous divisive nonsense

is what it takes to win your esteem. I just can't bring myself to do it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

262. Actually, it was for her acts of valor./nt

[cui bono]

300. LOL

Now THAT is comedy gold.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

39. I've been working a lot lately and am a little behind. Who are you talking about? nt

[Live and Learn]

135. +1000 nt

[Agschmid]

5. Your brush is too broad here.

[angrychair]

15. Then please

Hand us a more narrow brush. Explain.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no and no.

You have read it all correctly! Bizarre, no?

Wait until BLM speaks out tomorrow about this and all the videos are released by everyone in the audience who were recording the entire thing on their phones! The internet is going to be on fire.

[Le Taz Hot]

156. It's on fire now.

Several links on my FB page this morning and it's only 8:16. There will be more.

[jfern]

9. Some have been doing this for a while

One Hillary supporter actually was trying to say that Bernie was weak for not standing up to BLM at the same time they were saying that Bernie didn't care about BLM. Didn't they get the memo? They're supposed to do 1 or the other, not both at the same time.

Also now that DWS said no to a BLM debate, Hillary supporters are forced to say that BLM doesn't need a debate.

[99th_Monkey]

10. Is Hillary taking her cues from Trump? Didn't he say he'd "defend his mic from BLM", or some such?

Wow, this is quite the development.

Thanks for your great questions.

[sabrina 1]

13. I doubt all of Hillary's supporters would be foolish enough to do what you are seeing here. But yes,

the very same people who were so 'concerned' that activists be ALLOWED to take the mic and have their say, have now done a complete flip flop. Well here on DU at least.

Shameful to politicize such an important issue. I said before and will say so again, these are the loudest voices here, few though are, who were nowhere to be found when Ferguson happened, and who will develop complete amnesia after the election regarding this most important issue.

They are divisive, it was clear from the start they had no interest in the issue itself. NOW they proven it without any doubt.

[TheFarS1de]

20. "have now done a complete flip flop"

That's why they follow Hillary

[sabrina 1]

21. Lol, good point!

[MrMickeysMom]

115. Zactly!

[PotatoChip]

88. "Nowhere to be found when Ferguson happened". I've noticed that too Sabrina.

In fact, not just Ferguson, but even going back to the Trayvon Martin threads. I'm not saying all, but there were many who are critical of how Bernie handled BLM's activism, implying racism on Bernie's part even, yet were no-shows in threads when we could have used their help in fighting off invading troll armies.

Where were they back then?

I agree with what you say here:

They are divisive, it was clear from the start they had no interest in the issue itself. NOW they proven it without any doubt.

I think that it is despicable that some people have stooped so low as to use a movement borne out of the pain and outright trauma inflicted on our black brothers and sisters for political purposes.

[NuclearDem]

212. You were one of the first people to throw BLM under the bus for interrupting Sanders.

You don't have the slightest bit of room to grandstand, play holier-than-thou, and politicize this.

If anyone's flip-flopped, it's the people who declared BLM "suspect" a few months ago and pushed Big Pharma, Soros, and Palin conspiracy theories now declaring their undying love for the movement.

[polly7]

218. ummmm ............ no.

She didn't.

[NuclearDem]

225. Yes, she did.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027061413#post21

Some of us supported BLM from the beginning. Others called them Soros or Big Pharma agents and threw them under the bus.

[Scootaloo]

227. Your link doesn't support your theory

Sabrina's clearly calling out ("throwing under" to use your term) people who cynically and exploitatively use black lives as a political football, nothing more than devices with which to "score points."

[NuclearDem]

229. From the link:

No sincere movement attacks its allies, from the beginning the whole thing was suspect, the NON TARGETING OF REPUBLICANS eg, and when I went to ask online, why they were not targeting their enemies I received no answer.

This was back when Sanders supporters were--astoundingly incorrectly--painting the Seattle protestors as Palin supporters, Big Pharma agents, and Soros tools.

So, again, yes, she threw them under the bus. Anyone who peddled that conspiracy bullshit and was more concerned with their candidate and using BLM solely as a weapon to attack Republicans doesn't get to grandstand about this.

[Scootaloo]

233. I suggest readign the link in thorough.

Sorry NuclearDem, but if you think Sabrina_1 has a hate-on for Black Lives mattr, you're kinda clueless

[NuclearDem]

236. There was a group of people who supported BLM from the beginning, regardless of who they criticized.

There was also a group that had the tone-deaf arrogance to demand BLM protest Clinton and Republicans before they would accept them as genuine.

I know which side I'm on, and what side plenty of others are as well.

[Scootaloo]

238. And there are a lot of people who are only VERY SUDDENLY interested in Black Lives Matter.

Somehow, interest and support only really came online after netroots nation. Certainly around here, at least. Thing is? A bunch of people were doing exactly what Sabrina is saying - using BLM as a political football. Cynical and exploitative. A whole shitload of people who previously never cared or were openly hostile to the movement suddenly embraced it - at least so far as it could be used against their disfavored candidate.

Now when people looked at the movement, and see all these obvious political opportunists surrounding it? What was the phrase that got bandied about a lot? "Bad optics"?

Sabrina's been there from day one, same as you have NuclearDem, same as a lot of people have been. And she's plainly talking about people who are using the movement, and its cause as a political football, hijacking it for their political games.

[passiveporcupine]

16. They've actually started a thread in a protected forum

so nobody can object to the fact that they only show the beginning of the episode, where the BLM people come in singing, and Hillary talks over them to say "Black Lives do Matter", and then they cut off the video before the protesters are herded out by the guards.

Now, I will give them some credit. I do think she handled it OK. She didn't let them take the mic (hell there was a fence around her...they couldn't get to the mic or they might have tried)...and she did say she was going to be speaking about black lives mattering (which is what her speech was all about, so she was prepared)...and then the guards herded them out, non-violently, so her speech could continue. That is what should happen at any event when someone disrupts the speech with protest. If they don't quit and let the speech go on, they get herded out.

She did what should have been done. Bernie was not given that opportunity at either event where they interrupted him. There was nobody there to stop them from taking over the stage and mic (so he really couldn't address them at all...besides, that is not what he was there to speak about, whereas with Hillary it was)...and he was not in control of the situation because it was not "his" event, under his control. He had no guards to usher them out so the speech could go on, nor even any authority to do anything about it.

But don't let that stop the Hillary supporters from making it his failure and showing what a weak racist asshole he was. And they are still trying to do that to this day.

[sabrina 1]

24. Well that's how you know how little the ISSUE itself matters to them. IF it did, they would have

responded as you just did re this event. Instead they USED it for their own agenda, distorted it, called him and his followers racists, who knows why. And when people pointed out that it should have been handled as hers was, they were called racists who didn't want to let activists speak etc etc.

I will NOT forget the ugliness that still hasn't stopped and have learned a whole lot from them.

None of it good. In fact what I witnessed from this group was some of the ugliest I have ever seen.

They better never again as one of them did yesterday, attempt to use that event to me, after exposing themselves so thoroughly as people who care NOTHING for the issue, which I knew anyhow, but now it is out there for everyone to see, the complete hypocrisy.

[passiveporcupine]

27. I will NOT forget the ugliness that still hasn't stopped

Yep, me too.

[sabrina 1]

30. They will be coming to us demanding our votes, they have done so already, IF she should win

the nomination. They're not very good at thinking ahead, but the stench of what they did re Bernie will be with me for a long, long time. And I know I am not alone.

[GoneFishin]

45. You are not alone.

[Enthusiast]

75. Not even.

[HubertHeaver]

53. That stuff hangs around for a long time.

I'm still angry with the PUMAs for their actions at the '08 state convention.

[stillwaiting]

77. Those put on my ignore list will NOT get off of it.

I know that some believe that the lies, propaganda, insults, and deception must be countered, and I thank each one of you that commits to challenging them.

I've been through too much in this life to subject myself to some of the worst of our prolific DU Hillary supporters (Please note I am not referring to ALL Hillary supporters. There are some that do not do these things thankfully.) I will not be treated as badly as the right-wing treats me by my supposed allies.

I just can't believe how this primary has played out regarding race issues and gender issues. Anything to make the conversation about something other than issues. It's a fucking disgrace. And, I blame Hillary's campaign and some of her supporters for it. Completely.

Edited to add: I am not saying that race and gender issues aren't important. They are EXTREMELY important. However, the way these issues have been wielded as weapons in a very disingenuous manner this primary has been disgusting. Fucking disgusting.

[Live and Learn]

143. I haven't put anyone on it yet but after the primary every single poster

from the other site is going on it regardless of who wins the primary. Enough is enough!

[magical thyme]

162. I just wish posters on the Ignore list were invisible on the home page, too

Frankly, seeing some returning names creeps me out. I don't need the hypocritical pseudo-drama in my life.

And contrary to what most people believe, the person in question could have even sent the "threatening" email. There are companies that forward mail for you for a small charge, in order to hide the real sender. More than one of them is based in Florida, iirc.

[99Forever]

84. You are far from alone.

This is the Democratic Party's last hurrah for me. If they fuck this up, I'm done with them.

[MrMickeysMom]

335. Me, too...

Everyone should weigh what that party stood for. When the DLC begins dancing to the same corporatist control rhythm, it's not democratic in my book.

Too many dancing around this issue cause it's a damned ball game for them.

[TheKentuckian]

97. I know why...2008. They know if there is slippage in minority support the Jinga will tumble

so the strategy from the beginning was to do everything possible to poison the well in order to maintain a firewall in that crucial segment and create an ongoing firefight of distraction from issues and actual policy to undercut traction.

That and suffering from a massive outbreak of HDD, Honor Deficit Disorder.

[artislife]

52. Too many real details

How can you destroy them with truth like that?

[Doctor_J]

92. I did not realize the thread is in a protected forum

I clicked on a link and found a post from a duer whom I have on ignore. It was typical apologetic tripe, so I stopped reading.

OTOH, I think protected forums should be safe from alerts by non members. The men's group, which is 90% frivolity, has some alert stalkers, which I think is ridiculous. And I would never alert a post in a protected group, period.

[passiveporcupine]

287. I never suggested anyone alert on that thread

I don't believe in alerting, unless it's something extreme like a member threatening someone. People need to grow up and get thicker skin if they want to participate in a topic as emotional as politics can get.

But threads in protected forums are a cheap way to show a biased view of something...because no one can argue with it.

I'm not really sure I believe in "protected" groups, but it's not my decision. If they did not show up on the front page, I'd never even see them, because I don't deliberately go looking for them.

[Doctor_J]

296. Same here.

I don't believe in alerting, unless it's something extreme like a member threatening someone...I'm not really sure I believe in "protected" groups, but it's not my decision.

Agree on both of these.

[cui bono]

303. I don't really agree with protected groups either.

In fact, I signed up as a host of the Bernie group and the first time I was going to post something to someone about how they were posting in the Bernie group I realized I was being a hypocrite since I had complained about the BOG so much and I resigned. My hosting lasted a couple hours I think.

But I especially abhor the groups when they are used to launch attacks and post smear mongering knowing that it cannot be refuted. That is just cowardly.

[Jack Rabbit]

23. Of course they are

You know, La duchessa ha sempre ragione.

[Catherina]

25. Yep. And "the candidate would not meet with the protesters"

Nick Merrill, a spokesman for Clinton, said the candidate would not meet with the protesters.

After walking off stage, Clinton was met by LaDavia Drane, her director of African-American outreach.

"It's always an adventure," Clinton proclaimed.

Speaking to CNN after the event, Lewis said he believes the protesters "represent another time, another period."

"It is unfortunate that they didn't listen to the secretary," he added.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter/

[Flying Squirrel]

28. Represent another time, another period?

Mind blown. I better not hear another comment about Sanders' campaign being "tone deaf."

[frylock]

34. What, like the 60s?

The game has passed him by. I lost a lot of respect for him after that remark. Just smdh.

[senz]

130. I, too, lost respect for Lewis after reading that.

Clearly, he is out of touch with AAs today. Sad.

[Catherina]

35. Haha, but you know we'll hear it. The spin cycle's on high n/t

[marym625]

48. and how many times did we hear "Bernie left! Bernie cancelled the meeting!"

The meeting that his campaign manager took.

Since what is happening in the BLM movement is unknown to some that have no problem spewing bullshit lies about Sanders and his supporters, it's hard to take it seriously.

I don't even know why I'm saying anything here. It's patently obvious which candidates actually give a shit about minorities and Hillary Clinton isn't one of them.

[merrily]

96. The meeting was scheduled for after a night time netroots event in AZ, and Bernie had two rallies

the next day in TX. His schedule that week had been heavy, too, IIRC. So, he had his campaign manager attending it.

Nothing he does is ever GOOD ENOUGH, is it?

[marym625]

180. Nope. And the blind loyalty to some politicians is frightening

Just frightening. Seriously, they work for us. It's our job to call people out on their bullshit. The carte blanche, Do whatever you want and we'll support it, is a huge part of the problem.

[merrily]

183. I don't see it as blind loyalty. I see it as perceived self interest.

In the long run, it will be self-defeating, but, for now, it appears like self-interest.

[marym625]

189. whatever it is, it's not logical. n/t

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

81. Wow. Thanks for that link.

John Lewis' reaction was a real eye-opener as well. Sounds like he had 'tone' issues with the protesters, felt they should have behaved differently.

[cui bono]

307. John Lewis said that???

How much weight will his endorsement carry with BLM after that?

Ouch.

[MisterP]

26. well at the very least now we know the wheels are coming off

or it's a great boost to Hillary and they can all pat themselves on the back--after all, this is a "win" for both Clinton and BLM! (somehow) http://www.democraticunderground.com/110724425

after months of tearing around saying that "you white lefties never THOUGHT about Black people until your candidate's ego got bruised," after constant accusations of "Berniebros" harassing Black Democrats everywhere but the high seas, after stories up and down HuffPo and the blogs

--well?

[polly7]

61. What I get from all of this is that only 'certain' Black people's opinions matter,

and only when politically expedient. Issues that I've seen discussed here for years, with 99.9% of members here in complete support. Suddenly it's changed, and the only caring began during this campaign.

I haven't seen one single poster here attack BLM issues ........ only Bernie Sanders, for not having them thrown out and not letting them have the mic, as opposed to what happened to them here. I've read tonight he's weak and unpresidential for those things.

Very strange, the way history is being rewritten. It's like all threads and posts on racial discrimination, civil rights, profiling, profit prisons, indiscriminate death penalty judgments, etc. etc. etc. before the last few months just didn't happen.

[Live and Learn]

145. +1 nt

[Hydra]

31. It's more than a little insane

But they painted themselves into a corner- they kept setting up the ball for Hillary and she keeps kicking it away each time. It must be INCREDIBLY frustrating to them that their boss can't seem to fake caring about the issue, since it was supposed to be a wedge that would force the economic reform movement into the background.

[jfern]

67. True, if you want someone who actually cares about racism and other discrimination

Then you might want to consider the guy who became interested in politics because of his father's family being killed in the Holocaust. He had this to say the other day.

http://www.jta.org/2015/10/29/default/watch-bernie-sanders-hugs-muslim-student-references-jewishness

[senz]

140. ! Bernie cares. She doesn't.

It is obvious.

[frylock]

32. It is truly spectacular, but not at all surprising..

C'mon, show of hands. Who is really surprised here? I think this episode only reinforces what many of us suspected or already knew.

[azurnoir]

38. Bernie "looked annoyed" how dare he

and everything

[whathehell]

107. Yes, maybe he should be alerted on.

[mhatrw]

41. Sanders is a racist for respecting. Clinton is amazing for arresting. nt

[artislife]

55. You !! FTW nt

[LWolf]

364. Nailed it. nt

[Scootaloo]

46. Well you know, Bonobo. She DOES "Share the Faith"

Wink wink nudge nudge say no more say no more!

[Catherina]

51. +1 More: Clinton speaks of "a higher calling among those who have faith"

Clinton did not mention either opponent in her own remarks, which she began on a reflective note about attending a speech by Martin Luther King Jr.

“His grace and moral clarity were compelling. I can feel it still today,” she said.

Earlier on Friday, Clinton attended a luncheon with local and regional leaders of the African American clergy and was introduced by another civil rights hero, the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

There, Clinton revealed her more spiritual side while speaking of a higher calling among those who have faith. Society, she said, should be founded on two simple principles: “To be kinder to each other and to love each other.”

“Maybe you can’t run for president on a love and kindness platform, but I’m going to try,” she said.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/30/black-lives-matter-protest-interrupts-hillary-clinton

[merrily]

80. I thought mentioning MLK was not okay anymore?

It so hard to sort it all out.

[ybbor]

106. That's what I thought, too

Hmm, I guess it is different now.

[merrily]

110. Different now or different who?

IOKIYAC?

[ybbor]

228. I guess both

I just find it all very telling.

[freedom fighter jh]

82. Bernie doesn't talk explicitly about love and kindness . . .

but love and kindness are the implied foundation of his platform.

[senz]

153. Coming from her

it sounds sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

phony.

[marym625]

54. a wink is as good as a nod to a blind bat

Last edited Sat Oct 31, 2015, 09:46 AM - Edit history (2)

[merrily]

79. It isn't!

A blind man can feel a nudge, but can't see a wink.

I know, I know. Too literal again.

[marym625]

123. no, it was me being tired and writing "nudge" instead of "nod"

OOPS! I corrected it.

I also had "man" and it's actually "bat." That wasn't tired, that was what I thought it was. Silly me!

[merrily]

176. We both got it wrong. It was another Marily thing.

[marym625]

186. oh, that silly Marily!

[Bonobo]

56. Ultimately, Jews are seen as deniers of the messiah by some.

Poor misguided souls. I don't worry, though, I know they will pray for us.

[Scootaloo]

58. i love when people tell me they'll pray for me.

I'm all like "And i'll dial a few wrong numbers for you, too. have a nice day!"

[passiveporcupine]

65. I'll have to remember that

[senz]

154. I feel the same

but for me it always sounds arrogant, like they think they have a special "in" with God.

[Le Taz Hot]

164. My retort to, "I'll pray for you,"

is "And I'll chant for your enlightenment."

[Aerows]

298. My retort

is "I'm not sure how much good it will do me, but I'm sure the exercise might do you some good."

[bravenak]

312. My oh my will my schadenfreude be enormous.

[Scootaloo]

340. It'll match your hypocrisy, then.

[bravenak]

341. Nice scoot.

[Scootaloo]

342. What?

You're up there cheering about black activists being frogmarched out of an event. Your creepy friends are coming up with all sorts of bullshit spin for why it's okay, why it's great, why these black people just don't count.

[bravenak]

344. Did I cheer about frogmarching at any time?

[Scootaloo]

345. You made a big ol' OP about how amazeballs Clinton was with it.

[bravenak]

346. So that is 'CHEERING FROGMARCHING'?

[Scootaloo]

349. Well, the frogmarching happened, and you seem to still be cheering.

[bravenak]

350. I never cheered frogmarching once! I cheered the fact the she agreed with the sentiment rather than

Getting all flustered and leaving and canceling meetings. Her reaction.

[Scootaloo]

352. The frogmarch happened. You cheered.

The shouting-down happened, and you still cheered.
The nasty responses ad dismissals happened, and still are happening. You're still cheering.

And now you're throwing some chaff to try to distract from your cheering.

[bravenak]

353. You mean when blacks chanted down another group of blacks? You do know they were not BLM?

Different group. Anywhoo, why should I choose one group over the other? One was discussing racial profiling, one wanted to stop a speech. My place is to not pick sides.

[Scootaloo]

354. So the value of their voice is dependant on their hashtag?

You seem to have done a fine job on that "not picking sides" thing, too

[bravenak]

356. I cannot choose one group of blacks who are trying to fight profiling over the group bringing

attention to the racism in our system. I have no problem with them protesting Hillary. Brings them more attention. I think it's a good thing to have attention on that particular stain.

I choose sides on other things, but how blacks are treated ranks just about number one on who I choose. I am not stupid enough to do elsewise.

[sabrina 1]

63. Sanders has more courage in his little finger than all of our Reps put together. That's why they are

so scared of him.

Go Bernie!

[eridani]

64. For those who want to know what this is about--

Clinton Throws Out Black Lives Matter Activists During Speech On Race

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/clinton-holds-campaign-speech-in-atlanta-to-discuss-race-throws-out-black-lives-matter-activists-video/

Clinton’s removal of Black Lives Matter protesters who interrupted her speech is a far cry from Bernie Sanders’ reaction to a Black Lives Matter interruption. When Sanders was interrupted during a speech in Seattle, Sanders gave the mic to the protesters and allowed them to air the grievances, even as the mostly-white crowd in attendance booed the speakers.

Hillary Clinton’s recent statement in favor of the death penalty during a speech in New Hampshire set her apart from Sanders, who has been vocal in his opposition to capital punishment.

[MrMickeysMom]

116. CLINTON'S REMOVAL OF BLM PROTESTERS...

Amnesia is going around DU... I think you can easily program that into the robotic spin cycle...

from that article...

Clinton’s removal of Black Lives Matter protesters who interrupted her speech is a far cry from Bernie Sanders’ reaction to a Black Lives Matter interruption. When Sanders was interrupted during a speech in Seattle, Sanders gave the mic to the protesters and allowed them to air the grievances, even as the mostly-white crowd in attendance booed the speakers.

[senz]

157. Clinton's hard, hawkish views on war and death penalty

sound really weird when you compare them to her words in comment #51.

She'll say anything but none of it means anything.

She may as well recite the alphabet.

[tex-wyo-dem]

234. If you to ask me where Clinton stands...

On many issues, I mean what she truly believes in her heart, there's no way I could answer. Like a DC meter on an AC signal, her needle smacks back and forth, from + to - so frequently, it's impossible to put a bead on her. That's why I rely on past history of where she's stood on issues, and it ain't pretty in many cases.

[WillyT]

69. K & R !!!

[Enthusiast]

70. Bonobo, there is no sense of consistency or even a shred of intellectual honesty.

This appears to be an election wide phenomenon in both parties.

And that is not all.

I have never seen anything like the state of this fucking nation/fucking election/fucking media.

It is an alternate universe come to life before our eyes.

[KoKo]

141. .....!

[Vattel]

73. One thing I have noticed for years about some of those who now post a lot in support Clinton:

Intellectual honesty is not their strong suit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

138. As

Last edited Sat Oct 31, 2015, 06:55 PM - Edit history (1)

One thing I have noticed for years about some of those who now post a lot in support Clinton:
Intellectual honesty is not their strong suit.

As she continues her inexorable march to the White House where she can serve us all, even those who loathe her, I expect the attacks on her and her supporters to grow exponentially as they become more vicious and personal.

As a Hillary Clinton supporter and consequently an exemplar to the world I will try to continue to take the high road.


on edit-changed opponents to supporters

[senz]

159. You have no idea how sincere we are, do you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

199. Some of the most grievous crimes in the annals of history were committed by those...

Some of the most grievous crimes in the annals of history were committed by those who cloaked themselves in the garb of sincerity.

[senz]

209. DSB, when we look for honesty in presidential candidates

we may be too idealistic by half, but we are not criminals.

[AlbertCat]

192. attacks on her

I didn't see any attacks on her in the quote you commented on.

Well, "Intellectual honesty is not their strong suit."...y'know....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

202. I am not going to respond because...

I am not going to respond other then to say you are one of the Sanders supporters I am genuinely fond of and it gives me no joy to get in a fracas with you.

Have a great weekend.

[Vattel]

201. My attack was on "some" unidentified supporters of Clinton.

You falsely imply in your post that I have engaged in a vicious and personal attack. Odd notion you have of the high road.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

204. Calling someone "intellectually dishonest" doesn't seem like praise, does it?

eom

[Vattel]

205. when the object of my attack is not identified, it's not a personal attack, is it?

Besides, I get frustrated like anyone else with all the bullshit from certain people. Occasionally I lash out and I am okay with that because it is justified to get angry about persistent bad behavior.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

206. Calling someone intellectually dishonest is/isn't a personal attack?

eom

[Vattel]

211. Not if I just say that some unidentified people are dishonest.

Saying some republicans are jerks, for example, is not a personal attack. Saying Bush is a jerk is a personal attack.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

214. The reference was to the supporters of a a specific Democratic candidate

One thing I have noticed for years about some of those who now post a lot in support (of) Clinton:
Intellectual honesty is not their strong suit.

-Vattel

Such loose language used to be verboten here.


No side in this debate has a monopoly on virtue and intellectual honesty.

[Vattel]

235. You seriously don't get the distinction I am drawing?

Maybe another example will help. If you say that some supporters of Sanders are horribly rude, that is not a personal attack because the supporters are not named or otherwise identified. But if you say that Vattel is horribly rude, that is a personal attack.

[passiveporcupine]

304. you don't get the distinction between some and all?

'Some' supporters means and unidentified portion of a group. All supporters (often unintentionally implied by just saying supporters) is a wide brush and is often taken as a personal attack by members of said group.

"Some" supporters is not a wide brush,and is not personal. If you choose to take it personally, then maybe you are feeling guilty? Or just too emotionally invested to be able to sort the personal from the impersonal?

[Aerows]

362. None, some, all

[cui bono]

324. The cognitive dissonance on this site just keep growing and growing.

[stonecutter357]

83. The stench of Libertarians are all over this OP.

[Bluenorthwest]

108. Then you should go back to that other thread and defend your DOMA revisionism and your smearing

of LGBT people for daring to speak the historic truth of our own lives. Explain yourself.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251748761#post7

[stonecutter357]

111. you are not being very Honest

[LostOne4Ever]

194. You replied to the wrong post. The dishonest post 83 was above the one your replied to (nt)

[Live and Learn]

148. What a nonsensical thing to say. nt

[senz]

160. "Libertarians" ??? You don't even know what the word means.

[Perogie]

265. This should be flagged for insulting Libertarians.

[sibelian]

347. No, I don't think it's got anything to do with "libertarians", really.

And, to honest, it wouldn't make much difference now even if it did.

[Babel_17]

85. "the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adventure_of_Silver_Blaze

One of the most popular Sherlock Holmes short stories, "Silver Blaze" focuses on the disappearance of the eponymous race horse (a famous winner) on the eve of an important race and on the apparent murder of its trainer. The tale is distinguished by its atmospheric Dartmoor setting and late-Victorian sporting milieu. It also features some of Conan Doyle's most effective plotting, hinging on the "curious incident of the dog in the night-time:"

Gregory (Scotland Yard detective): "Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
Gregory: "The dog did nothing in the night-time."
Holmes: "That was the curious incident."

It's what gone unsaid that is striking.

[Aerows]

363. You nailed it, my friend.

That's exactly what struck me.

[Babel_17]

365. It's been noted, and that being done, I guess we move on

Like Senator Sanders says, let's talk about the issues that concern every day Americans who are struggling within an unjust system.

Thanks for saying you got the reference. I didn't want to yell about it, I just wanted to note that curious absence.

[Aerows]

367. Words can be weapons ;)

And you noted it well.

[NaturalHigh]

86. Yes, I applaud her for standing up to the protesters.

I was against the protesters interrupting Senator Sanders, and I'm against them interrupting Secretary Clinton.

[Persondem]

165. ^^^ THIS. Exactly this^^^

It was wrong when they crashed Sanders speech and it was wrong when they did that to Clinton. If they want a stage so badly they can get their own. Any group wanting to make a statement can certainly do so but they do NOT have the right to interfere with another person's event.

And yes, having them removed was the right thing to do. It would have been ok for Bernie to do the same. Two differences - Clinton is a former FLOTUS and so has SS protection. You don't mess with the SS. ... and that was her event; the other event was not Bernie's event. He was just a speaker.

[frylock]

178. But it WASN'T wrong when Sanders was interrupted by BLM..

at least according to the posters who are now celebrating their removal from Clinton's event. In fact, you were labeled a "white liberal supremacist" if you took exception to their interruptions.

[druidity33]

243. I was just told to stfu. nt.

[RichVRichV]

280. I can kind of see both sides of this.

I really have no problem with Hillary having disruptive people (any disruptive people regardless of the cause) thrown out of one of her events. It's standard practice at any event.


But on the same token there's a small bit of Schadenfreude to all this after all the attacks on Bernie and his supporters after he was considerate when it happened to him.


I'm mostly just sitting back amused and watching the whole thing unravel.

[wendylaroux]

90. hillary people know it's bad

just covering it up.

[Madmiddle]

91. She is a center right "So called" Democrat.

She is not going to change a thing that "really" needs to be changed.

[Autumn]

94. No need to stop the train, we read it right

I just stepped off the track. It's impossible to take anything they say serious after yesterday and their comments on the Hillary event.

[merrily]

113. In fairness,

that wasn't possible Thursday, either.

[Autumn]

120. When you consider the actions of the audience at the Bernie event

I felt that there was a semi valid criticism. But when you look at how how Bernie was respectful of the protesters and then compare the reaction of Hillary and the reaction of her audience and then read here on DU by the same people who castigated Bernie and his supporters here on DU that she handled it just right well for me yesterday proved to me that the BLM/ Hillary supporters here on DU have no credibility. I watched that video, I know what I saw and I know t that had that been Bernie in that stage those same actions would have caused an unending uproar about Bernie and his supporters. It's a fucking joke

[merrily]

122. I agree.

However, for me, too many double standards had already been apparent. How quickly we forget: the trumped up sexism charges were being debated on this board yesterday only a few hours before this news and the trumped up sexism was bad, too.

[Autumn]

129. The trumped up sexism charges were obvious from the get go and we know where that originated

and who the people at that site were that were pushing it here. When it came to racism I had deferred to the community here, but yesterday that double standard cleared it all up for me. Players play.

[cui bono]

331. You got that right.

Exactly right.

[randome]

99. Do you equate 'Hillary supporters' with a dozen or so posters on DU?

And please stop using 'Hillary' versus 'Sanders'. It's disrespectful, IMO. Either use both last names or both first names.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Autumn]

114. Hillary supporters equate Sanders supporters with a few posters on DU

So yeah I think it's a more than fair comparison.

[Live and Learn]

149. Since we are talking about the hypocrisy as evidenced on DU,

it is the posters that displayed such that are being discussed.

And how is it disrespectful to use first or last names oe a mixture. Do you think Bernie might be upset since he normally goes by the less stuffy first name? I don't really imagine he cares at all since it is of so little importance.

[randome]

249. It's disrespectful -again,IMO- to refer to a woman by her first name...

...and a corresponding male by his last name. It implies the woman is somehow less 'official' when compared to a man.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[Live and Learn]

250. Your post comes across as sexist to me. nt

[RichVRichV]

285. Not sexism, deflection.

When you know you can't win an argument, change the subject to one you think you can win (or at least stalemate).

It's common practice on this forum.

[Live and Learn]

358. I called is sexist because she claimed it is ONLY disrespectful to call a woman by her first name.

Apparently it is also only disrespectful to say a woman is shouting (which Bernie did not do anyway).

I am quite tired of them claiming that anything said about a woman is disrespectful when they can say the same about a man. And I say that as a woman. Sexism runs both ways!

[passiveporcupine]

309. Hillary is known by her first name because it distinguishes her from her husband.

Bernie doesn't have that problem.

I seriously doubt Hillary minds being called by her first name at all.

Bernie doesn't care if you use his first or last name either.

Anyone upset by this probably has issues...as seems to be the case with many people here to keep trying to label things as "sexist", when they are not at all sexist.

[Marty McGraw]

270. and since two

Clinton names are continually in the public eye this order/request falls under the Rovian tactic of starting a seed for confusion no matter how large or small, just helps to compound over time.

nice try

[Puglover]

101. In answer to your last question.

No.

[Jester Messiah]

117. Some people just need a strong(wo)man to rally behind.

It's worked out in the past. History is replete with examples of forceful personalities taking control of countries. People love backing a winner, or sometimes they just read the writing on the wall, so they get on the train rather than getting crushed under it.

[senz]

163. Self-protective herd behavior. Lowest common denominator.

Makes sense.

But who would want to be part of it?

[cantbeserious]

118. The Answer To All Of The Questions Is YES

eom

[Bobbie Jo]

126. This sudden wave of "support" is facinating

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027165

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504091

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251503212

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506368

Welcome aboard?

[sufrommich]

133. Yeah,the real scandal of the Bernie/BLM protest seems

to be conveniently overlooked doesn't it?

Online And In Person, Bernie Sanders’ White Supporters Advance A Black Lives Matter Conspiracy

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/online-and-in-person-bernie-sanders-white-supporters-advance#.yo0roN9qq

[Live and Learn]

152. What silliness. A few 'white' (which is probably a guess) supporters (also a guess) advance

conspiracy theories. So what? People attempting to figure out why things happen the way they do often come up with their own theories which are immediately referred to as conspiracy theories by those that don't like the theories presented.

Interesting part of the article, you didn't mention.

Since then, the protesters shut down the Seattle event, the only stop on his recent West Coast tour that his campaign did not manage or coordinate. But Sanders has had plenty of events in other locations — from New Hampshire to Iowa to New Orleans — without interruption from activists who are part of the large, dispersed, and decentralized movement called Black Lives Matter. And unlike Clinton (who has also had her own somewhat contentious interaction with activists), Sanders often speaks at large, open rallies that are free from the Secret Service security requirements that accompany Clinton. In interviews and online, Black Lives Matter activists have said Clinton’s unique security cordon versus Sanders’ relatively wide-open access has a lot to do with why he’s been protested more than she has.

His campaign is extremely sensitive to the black protest movement. Campaign officials have made efforts to reach out to the activists, and altered the Sanders stump speech to ensure “Black Lives Matter” is said more than once each time Sanders speaks.

[Persondem]

168. Wow!! What a bunch of Faux Outrage. Get a grip.

It was wrong when BLM crashed Sanders speech and it was wrong when they did that to Clinton. If they want a stage so badly they can get their own. Any group wanting to make a statement can certainly do so but they do NOT have the right to interfere with another person's event.

And yes, having them removed was the right thing to do. It would have been ok for Bernie to do the same. Two differences - Clinton is a former FLOTUS and so has SS protection. You don't mess with the SS. ... and that was her event; the other event was not Bernie's event. He was just a speaker.

[senz]

169. It's unavoidable: Bernie's down with BLM. Hillary isn't.

[stupidicus]

171. it's those pesky thirdway progressives

they're corrupting everything

[glinda]

177. Down the Rabbit Hole it seems.

[modestybl]

184. No.

Wall Street and Big Business wants Hillary. Period.

[Robbins]

217. Of course

anyone who critzes or stands in way of her highness Is evil.

Of course that is what happens with those who are centrists posing as Liberals.

[libodem]

226. Love your essay, Bonobo

You are my kind of great Ape.

[Depaysement]

230. While she has many positive qualities, consistency is not Hillary's strong suit

[whatchamacallit]

232. New DUers, sporting an H, are dropping giant steaming mounds of troll shit everywhere

and all Hillary supporters love them for it.

[Tipperary]

241. I guess I qualify as a new Duer. I have never said anything against any other candidate.

What a mean-spirited post. Shame on you. I support Hillary and I have the right to do so. I am really amazed at the horrid posts I read here just because someone supports a candidate other than the one you happen to support.

[whatchamacallit]

252. Right...

I guess you're cool with Hillary supporters praising her for throwing BLM out of her event and calling Bernie a coward for not doing the same. Shame on you!

[Tipperary]

256. Tsk tsk.

You should chill out for a bit. You are taking this WAY too seriously.

That makes me sad for you.

[whatchamacallit]

260. Haha...

I'm immune to your silly concern trolling. Thanks anyway.

[Tipperary]

274. You are very welcome.

Carry on with your hate.

[whatchamacallit]

282. And you carry on with

your faux objectivity and transparent decorum.

[sabrina 1]

239. Massive hypocrisy of mammoth proportions on dsplay, though to be honest, I am not surprised

in the least. The sad thing is it confirms that the issue itself never was important, just, and I know I have said this, using it so very cynically, people's CIVIL RIGHTS, as a political football.

Shame on all of them, they have ZERO credibility if they ever had any to begin with.

[ismnotwasm]

240. Nope got it all wrong

I hope #BLM protests all the candidates. Revisionist interpretation isn't going to help Sanders at this point. People should have listened the first time. Now it's too late.

[Prism]

245. It's like watching a quarter of the board having an "apologist" moment

(Which remains one of the most epically hilarious self-inflicted embarrassments in DU history).

Where are we now this week?

1. Frivolously eroding sexism as an issue for political gain
2. Defending DOMA and telling LGBTers what's up
3. Being ok with silencing and dismissing BLM.

And that's in one week.

From the "social justice is everything" brigade.

L.O.L. Just wonderful.

[Puglover]

251. Innit?

But trust me. This crowd will never have a "look in the mirror" moment. Trust me.

[Prism]

257. I hope to god Clinton doesn't have some kind of immigration forum coming up

Because who knows how that will go!

[cui bono]

329. She already kicked out that young latino protester a few weeks ago.

Perhaps that was training.

[whatchamacallit]

255. It's absolutely nuts n/t

[stillwaiting]

283. Many of them are horrible on social justice AND horrible on economic justice. nt

[Prism]

291. I was going to say . . .

If social justice is everything, and economic justice doesn't matter so much, and they're this terrible at advocating for social justice . . .

What on earth are these people standing for?

Because right now, all I've got are Clinton and Hating Sanders Supporters.

Which, ok, but it's not exactly a policy position, is it?

(Someone just reminded me about the anti-semitism dog whistles. I've said it before, but I hope Clinton gets nowhere near an immigration debate this week. It's the only social justice thing that hasn't been pissed all over - for now).

[sibelian]

348. They don't give a tinker's shite about social justice.

All they care about is recs on DU.

Sorry, that's all they USED to care about, now all they care about is grudges against particular DU members.

[cui bono]

330. +1,000,000

[moondust]

246. Blind zealotry

can be unsettling, and lead to some horrific places.

[pa28]

253. Their sincerity was tested and the result was totally predictable.

What a shower of hypocrites.

[Zorra]

268. I can tell, you're as thoroughly shocked as I am, Bonobo.

[L0oniX]

271. Well they defend the oligarchy's choice so they want what's bad for the country.

I look forward to coming back here after Hillary goes full tilt imperialistic world police war.

[cui bono]

275. To answer your last question....

Not by the most vocal Hillary supporters on DU.

They're unhinged.

(jury: I have seen this is allowed on DU since there was an entire OP about how Sanders supporters were unhinged)

[passiveporcupine]

313. Ha...I must have missed that (or forgotten it already)

It's OK to say some people here are unhinged (delusional?, crazy?), but not that some people here are reacting like a scalded cat (freaked out).

Odd how that works!

[Aerows]

286. Look at their chosen candidate.

That should answer your question.

[bravenak]

314. Look how Sanders supporters responded to the interruption.

It was terrible. Can't live that down. Ever. It'd been over since summer.

[Warren DeMontague]

318. That does it, Im definitely not going to vote for "Sanders supporters" in the primary!

No siree, bob.

[bravenak]

322. Sigh.

People are upset that we are not behaving the same. The event was not the same. This was a black even on racial profiling. Of course black folks are not finna be yelled at about racism by other black folks. They ALREADY knew that and were there ALREADY talking about racism issues.

So people getting mad that people aren't going after Hillary for her response are trippin and must not know that the event was ALREADY about racial profiling. And yes, having a few black folks get hollered down by OTHER BLACK FOLKS looks different that two black ladies getting shouted down and then HARASSED FOR A MONTH by thousands of white folks. When you all look back later, it will look worse to you in hindsight.

[Warren DeMontague]

328. Look, bravenak, she's probably going to win.

So leaving aside teams and grudges and long-time DU score-settlin' from people here who are still mad about 4 year old fights in the meta forum..... OR leaving aside the behavior of some sanders supporters in seattle (and I hear tell the hillary crowd cheered when the BLM protesters were escorted out, by the way)... The fact remains that one of these days primary season is going to be over (praise jeebus) and we are all going to need to come together to try to win next november.

Im not going to try to justify ANYONE'S behavior-- and yes, "both sides" have thrown some nasty poop- but maybe you should ask yourself if your friends and co-supporters of Hillary really seem to be working towards that eventual, and necessary- reconcilliation, or not?

And if not, what is it you think they're actually accomplishing?

Because like i said, she is probably going to be the one to win the primary. That is my realistic assesment.

Skinner had an excellent op the other day which said, in part, "not every member of your coalition is going to be your ideological soul-mate". Wise words.

[bravenak]

332. I think both sides have got to drop the animosity.

But I see it like this... The side with the biggest number and loudest voices have got to be magnanimous. There are barely any Hillary supporters (or Hillcats?) left so really, I do not see a way for this to end until we see the Spectre of Ben Carson or Trump looming. That's why I try not to say shit like 'i hate you forever!!!'
I just wanted to say that this shit has been long and frustrating for everybody and I wish people did not fall in actual love with candidates. It's weird. I'm being half assed in my support and one might think I had created capitalism singly handedly.

Just a few more months. Then it's over. And yes. I can chill on the gloating attitude. Kinda. I'll try.

[Warren DeMontague]

338. People can gloat all they want with me, if it means we have 4 more years of a D in the white house.

Despite being called a "Rand Paul Republican" and a "Brogressive" yesterday, among other things, that really is my main- in fact, my only- priority.

From my perspective, I've seen a lot more "Sanders supporters are this that and the other" here than I have "vote for Hillary because of her X position on X issue". Like the goal is just to make "voting for sanders" look like a club full of uncool 'types', more than any sort of coherent promotion of a policy agenda.

But I don't pay all that much attention to internecine DU-drama. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, moved on.

And that said, she's done better lately. She kicked ass on Trey Gowdy. That was a beautiful thing to watch.

I'll probably have to take a break, because next year is gonna be up to my ass in politics. Pace myself.

[stonecutter357]

360. +1

[cui bono]

325. Look at how you responded.

Melt down. Calling Sanders supporters white supremacists. At least you finally outed yourself as not really being a Sanders supporter.

And now you just can't stop spewing hatred and smears towards Sanders and his supporters. You were just looking for something to hang your hat on and it's disgraceful that you would use such an important issue as a political football. When you post racist's opinions to score a political point you know you have really lost your way.

That was proven again when you attempted to make up a term that simply made no sense what so ever. All you are doing is posting divisive crap these days.

And you've proven that you are exploiting the BLM issue by supporting Hillary and her actions and attitude towards them. Disgraceful.

[bravenak]

327. I said some that I met were. Link to me calling all sander's supporters white supremacists?

[Warren DeMontague]

316. Eurasia has always been at war with Eastasia.

To claim otherwise is wrongthink.

[Aerows]

366. It's Double Plus ungood. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

334. Welcome to the bizarro world of Hillary support

[L0oniX]

337. I'm sure the oligarchy is getting a lot of entertainment value out of their chosen candidate...

and their "me too" followers.

[ion_theory]

339. K&R. Bernie 2016!!! n/t

[sibelian]

351. They don't give a tinker's shite about fuck all.

They're either paid or bored. Probably more likely they're bored as I can't for the life of me see how anyone could justify paying them. They're the worst advocates for a candidate I've ever seen.

I've seen better advocacy for Jim fucking Murphy during the GE in the UK.

This is just a flat out screaming fuck-up from beginning to end. It's as if the Universe itself keeps providing them with opportunities to confront themselves and learn wholesome, human behaviour and they stamp and stomp and stick their fingers in their ears like fucking three year olds and screech about how unfair it is and carry on with the same bug-fuck baby thinking and crappy behaviour to prove they were right the first time.

It's exactly the same petulant self-absorption that Republicans indulged in to the end of their fucking tongues just after 9/11.

It's exactly the same.

"You hate Hillary because you're sexist" "They hate America for our freedoms" - it's the same.

[Duckhunter935]

368. FYI

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a horribly insulting post. The abject hatred is just oozing from start to finish. Most of us don't come here to be verbally berated in this manner. "Bug-fuck baby" ?? This is more than just disagreeing, this kind of verbal attack has no place here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Nov 1, 2015, 04:41 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Grow a thicker skin, it's just common HC vs BS back and forth.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh, pretty sure alerter's side has said similar and if not then poster wasn't takling about you in the first place.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is extremely offensive. I'm getting so tired of this on DU.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: not a personal attack
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Puglover]

374. This.

[Zorra]

375. You truly have a way with words, sibelian.

[oneshooter]

378. Jury Results

On Sun Nov 1, 2015, 04:32 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

They don't give a tinker's shite about fuck all.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=751600

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a horribly insulting post. The abject hatred is just oozing from start to finish. Most of us don't come here to be verbally berated in this manner. "Bug-fuck baby" ?? This is more than just disagreeing, this kind of verbal attack has no place here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Nov 1, 2015, 04:41 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Grow a thicker skin, it's just common HC vs BS back and forth.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: meh, pretty sure alerter's side has said similar and if not then poster wasn't takling about you in the first place.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is extremely offensive. I'm getting so tired of this on DU.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: not a personal attack
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Todays_Illusion]

355. Not to mention that she wants to keep the Death Penalty and we know how those

statistics look.

[LWolf]

373. We do. nt

[arcane1]

377. It's a simple formula: Everything she does is 100% right. Even if she did the opposite a day ago.

Brain? Logic? Consistency? Who needs 'em?

[NobodyHere]

380. Personally I have no problems with protesters getting thrown out.

If I choose to go to a Hilary Clinton event then I want to hear Hilary speak.

I'm a Bernie supporter who defends Hilary's action on this.