Polling numbers reveal truth about "Berniebros". It's a myth.

[pa28]

Just another in a long line of deliberately creates wedges we've seen this primary season.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/10/clinton-sanders-democratic-presidential-primary-caucuses/

Clinton wins among all groups, but it’s clear that Sanders support is coming from young people. If you wanted to write about demographic divides, it is age and race that matter in the Clinton/Sanders fight. Gender doesn’t even register.

Although the demographics show a sex divide among supporters of Sanders and Clinton to be negligible the poll data shows a significant gap in age of supporters. Sanders dominates among younger voters.



More at Jacobin . . . https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/10/clinton-sanders-democratic-presidential-primary-caucuses/

[1StrongBlackMan]

1. I don't think you understand the point being ...

Raised by the "berniebro" character/designation.

As I understand it ... it is NOT about a gender divide; but more, the common traits/proclivities of SOME of Bernie's male supporters.

[Scootaloo]

4. More like an anecdotal straw man being used to characterize Sanders supporters at large

"I totally met this random person and he was like wearing a gingham shirt and a fedora or something? And he managed to fit every article of insufferable bastard on my checklist. and then he said he supported Sanders! What's with Sanders supporters?!"

Whole argument, right there.

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. No ... It describes specific traits identifying ...

Specific people.

Why do you work so hard to be included in an insult?

[Scootaloo]

9. Specific people have names and identities.

Nah, the "Berniebro" isn't a person, it's a character. Now what is the point of this character? Like most non-individual cariactures, it's meant to color and identify a broad group.

You even realize it's an insult, and not an actual person.

[AgingAmerican]

13. They believe their own rhetoric

Which is what happens when you exist in a bubble. They have become a parody of themselves

[Hortensis]

18. No, Scootaloo, it's really not about any Bernie supporters except

the subgroup described. Please especially note that neither a sense of victimhood nor paranoia are characteristic of the "berniebros." Arrogance, more like.on

[Scootaloo]

22. You're simply wrong.

The "subgroup" seems to exist only in self-confirming anecdote put forth by people who have already made it clear they do not like Sanders or anyone who does like Sanders. That there is a "checklist" reveals it to be nothing but a caricature and stereotype (especially since the "BernieBro" absolutely always conforms to every item on the checklist, no variance.) it also plays off a pop cultural disdain for a fashion trend, which is the binder - the egg to the stereotype's meatloaf. "You think you hated Hipsters before? What if I told you they like this candidate you also hate?!"

It's not paranoia or victimhood. it's simple awareness of how stereotypes arise, function, and how they are used.

[pa28]

15. It's intended to be insulting. So at least we're clear on that point.

I guess "proclivities" aren't just reserved for "Berniebros".

[pa28]

5. No, I understand. By "proclivities" you mean subjective stereotyping.

Like in the Amanda Marcotte piece cited at the link.

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. Or, maybe, observed traits common to a specific ...

Segment of the group.

[Scootaloo]

10. Where have I seen this argument before...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. ^^^^^^

This

[arcane1]

19. Negatively assessing people based on inherent traits, and applying it to all who share those traits.

Sounds familiar. I'm so old, I remember when that was considered a bad thing.

Just another Clinton 180!

[sabrina 1]

17. Labeling of voters. Classifying people into groups in order to denigrate them for political

advantage. Ugh is all I can!

Slamming voters isn't a good strategy. We will remember all of it, IF and it's big IF, Hillary should get the nomination and comes running to us Democrats, her only demographic since she has practically zero crossover appeal, begging for our support.

More bad judgement and lack of foresight demonstrated so often by this candidate, Iraq, Welfare etc.

[upaloopa]

2. 18-29 is a tie. Bernie doesn't have all the Millennial vote.

He doesn't lead in any group.

[shenmue]

3. Ta-daa

[treestar]

16. That was the most interesting part

It's not even a big difference.

[sabrina 1]

21. No one has all of any vote, but he has huge support from the young, most of which cannot be polled

in Dem polls, since many of them are either unregistered with any party or are registered as Independents. But I do love reading all these 'scientific' polls that leave out so many potential primary voters. I know some of them. They are wonderful.

[Cerridwen]

6. Link to most recent numbers without Biden, Chafee, and Webb. (edited X 2)

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/f5io906oik/econTabReport.pdf

eta: I think page 17 contains the numbers relevant to this topic.

eta2: also note page 168: if general election were held today - repubs 42%, Democrats 38%, other 3%, not sure 15%, not voting 2%

[MineralMan]

11. Interesting charts. Clinton leads in

every case, including the millennial demographic. That's great news!

[aidbo]

12. Even if it's not spoken, the 'Bro' in BernieBro is implied to mean something.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bro
I know that urban dictionary is not a real dictionary, but the definition there aligns with what the pundits mean when they use that term. The implication is that they're not earnest supporters, but shallow brow beaters who just want to yell at you until you agree to vote for their candidate.

It is a pernicious way to demean his supporters with a term that many of his most vocal proponents bristle at. This is an appeal by pundits to the vicious side of their audience for clicks.

This makes sense of course. People get very personally and emotionally committed to their candidates. That bias causes them to perceive the world in a very specific way. It also causes them to feel angered and betrayed by those who support someone else, especially people who they think should be supporting their candidate.

This applies to all (three!) sides of the argument.

As understandable as this is, it’s also kind of a shame. This is because it actually would be very interesting to see people try to nail down the causes of the real (not imagined) demographic divides. I’d love to read a take that seriously tried to understand why Sanders is managing to pull down so much youth support or why Clinton is managing to attract so many black voters

I would like to see this as well! Though, sadly a full & thorough analysis probably won't be forthcoming until after the primaries.

[Prism]

20. It's just sexism

If men like something, it's automatically bad.

And if your attachment to Clinton is mainly out of fervor for a female president, this strain of sexism is appealing and easy to reach for.

Meh. They say "bros" like its a bad thing. All it signals is how out of touch they are with millenials.