Hillary, Third Way & Kos Who Attacks Third Way this Week but Thinks Hillary Will Reject Them! Oops!!

[sabrina 1]

I was surprised to see Kos from Daily Kos slam the Third Way this week as he generally isn't what many view as a Progressive Democrat.

Since every Democrat knows very well who these people are it was hardly necessary for Kos to explain why they should be viewed as the real threat they are to our party. But he did just in case there is anyone left who doesn't get it!

So for whatever reason, even Kos who prides himself on his 'pragmatism' (the Third Wayers love that word btw) apparently does know just how real the threat from this Wall St Think Tank is to the Dem Party:

Forget Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Third Way has figured out how to get you REALLY pumped

To my knowledge, Kos is not a Bernie fan, more of a Hillary fan, or whoever the Status Quo candidate might be. However even HE sees the sheer nonsense being spewed the these Wall St Investors regarding Progressive Ideals re SS and other popular issues with the American people as proposed by Sanders.

Because the Third Way has taken now to attacking both Elizabeth Warren AND Bernie Sanders which shows us how SCARED They are of the PEOPLE.

So aside from tossing out lower-income people as irrelevant, Third Way's definition of "middle class" seems to look, well, like their friends. And sure, those guys may not be motivated by the Black Lives Matter or Occupy or broader fairness movement, but the American majority is. And when the voter pool is expanded, Democrats win. This is so objectively obvious and true that it requires a certain degree of bullshit to pretend otherwise.

But hey, the stuff that excites you and motivates you to vote? Nope, not exciting. Third Way decided. But you know what Third Way thinks will get you pumped?

Well, they hate that Bernie wants to expand SS and give the PEOPLE their OWN MONEY when they retire:

First of all, let's recap what has gotten Third Way all hot and bothered.

Take, for example, a policy championed by Senator Bernie Sanders and others that is in danger of becoming a top progressive litmus test for Democrats—expanding Social Security benefits for all, regardless of income.

Fuck you. Too late. It's a good litmus test. And a popular one.

Good Diary from Kos, I'm glad he sees what a threat these arrogant, Wall St investors are and have been to our party.

HOWEVER, kos has claimed that Hillary is NOT 'beholden' to the Third Way:

Wrong Kos as this Diary proves:

kos, snap out of it. Hillary is owned by Third Way.

kos, I know you've been telling us for months that Hillary Clinton is a "true liberal," and that she has moved left to accommodate a more left-leaning electorate, but your piece earlier today about the Third Way's apparent panic over Sanders finishes with an extremely dubious conclusion:

Regardless who wins the Democratic nomination, our next president will be a Democrat, and he or she will do it by explicitly rejecting the Third Way agenda.

In that piece, you list the Third Way Board of Trustees. A simple search using the OpenSecrets.org database reveals a far more likely truth.

Kos is right about rejecting their agenda as a winning platform but Hillary won't be doing that which the Third Way clearly knows:

Here is the list of the Third Way's Board Members supplied by Kos in his Diary which most of us are familiar with:

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And From the Linked Diary Above:

In that piece, you list the Third Way Board of Trustees. A simple search using the OpenSecrets.org database reveals a far more likely truth.

Here are the Third Way board members who have donated to a Democratic presidential contender this cycle, including the amounts they've donated:

Georgette Bennett - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton
Lewis Cullman - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton
William M. Daley - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton
Robert Dyson - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton
Derek Kaufman - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton
Thurgood Marshall, Jr. - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton
Herbert Miller - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton
Michael Novogratz - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton
Kirk Radke - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton
Ted Trimpa - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton
Joseph Zimlich - $2,700 - Hillary Clinton

See a pattern here, kos? Do you really believe Hillary Clinton will be "explicitly rejecting the Third Way agenda?"

Seriously?

Maybe if we all cross our fingers, our eyes and our legs, Hillary will be the liberal we're hoping for, right? Because, even though these folks are all maxed out to her campaign, we can rest assured that they expect nothing in return.

Even Bill Daley, the guy you expressly call out in your piece. The guy who maxed out to Hillary Clinton

Hard to deny, not sure what Kos's response was, but he WAS RIGHT when he said EVERY LIBERAL would reject them!

He just hasn't grasped yet that Hillary has TOLD US she is not a Liberal. She is a 'Moderate' and we have taken her at her word.

And so have The Third Way who warned her last week to beware of swing to the Left, or else!

Warren told them where to take their 'lectures' to HER.

But it appears that Hillary's support for the Death Penalty, for considering Raising the Retirement Age among other less than Liberal positions this week means SHE at least DOES take their advice!

Kos is still right however in that the Third Way must be REJECTED by our Party before they destroy it completely.

Oh, and I wonder how much they have poured into those Super Pacs of Hillary's???

[icuc]

1. I believe the alliance will be their continued undoing

If Bernie can come up with a smart strategy to expose DLC/Third Way for exactly who they are, and linking it to Clinton. It's the truth, not a negative attack.

[sabrina 1]

2. Well, one strategy, and Kos of all people, has raised it. They read that blog and especially

anything HE has to say. Ask every Dem Candidate to reject them.


I'm not hopeful that he will stick to his accurate depiction of the Third Way and his ASSUMPTION that every Liberal Dem will reject them. I have no doubt he will be hearing from them and we could see a change in his view of them, it's happened before.

However we can join him in his correct assumption that EVERY DEMOCRAT should reject these morons.

Hillary especially since now we see that they ARE funding her and clearly they believe that as a result of that funding SHE IS BEHOLDEN to them.

See Daley's warning to her last week! 'Do not swing to the Left'. So she doubled down on the Right Wing Death Penalty and waffled about raising the Retirement Age.

[Kelvin Mace]

9. What they are is obvious in what they support

The problem is delusional support for Third Way allies like HRC. He truly believes she won't sell us out the day after she takes office.

[sabrina 1]

58. I hadn't seen his response to the fact that she is being funded by them until yesterday ...

All I can is 'there are none so blind as those who will not see'.

[Bread and Circus]

3. Peter B Lewis is dead. He was the CEO of Progressive Insurance.

I knew him in a small way. I actually think he was a good guy. He was very liberal on the marijuana issue. Gave a lot of money for liberalization of marijuana laws.

Probably was a social liberal / economic conservative but not sure on that.

He had over a billion dollars and was generous with his family in some ways.

Just thought I would add that as the list above may be out of date.

[sabrina 1]

5. Thanks for the information. Sorry to hear of his death. It's likely some of them are

good guys. The Third Way needs to update its list of Board Members apparently because that is the most current list available.

Their policies are ANTI-Social programs, they want control of our money because THEY know better than WE how to disperse it, invest it in their favorite Gambling Casino etc.

They are pro-war but most of all they DESPISE Liberals and their policies and have gained a lot of control over the Dem Party.

Most of them are arrogant, see their 'warnings' to people like Warren eg. She responded with 'Oh Please', very appropriate response to arrogant diatribe they aimed at an Elected US Senator in the WSJ.

[Bread and Circus]

11. Not gonna disagree on that. They are the true "elite" supremacists.

It's all about what works for them not what's good for the country overall. It's a bit of a highjacking of the party in my opinion.

[sabrina 1]

13. Same as the DLC whose policies are the same and who became so unpopular with Dems

once they realized what they were up to, more or less morphed into the Third Way.

DWS is perfect example. They have lost us the House and Senate and then BLAMED THE VOTERS.

Their policies ARE rejected by actual Democrats but they are way too arrogant to listen to the 'little people' and are persisting in pushing the policies that have lost elections for us over the past number of election cycles.

For kos to acknowledge this, the normally 'pragmatic we need them' guy, shows just how damaging they are.

[Dustlawyer]

30. They are arrogant because they have been running the government for years.

They have been controlling who we vote for and everything else for a long time. That's why Bernie scares them so! Boo!!! Happy Halloween!

[aidbo]

15. Is he related to Daniel Lewis?

http://www.thirdway.org/about/board/daniel-r-lewis

Daniel R. Lewis graduated from Miami University with an accounting degree in 1968, taught three years at an inner-city Cleveland, Ohio high school, was a homebuilder in Phoenix, Arizona for six years, and retired from Progressive Corporation having had general management, control, claims, product management, and board membership responsibilities.

But you're right, Peter Lewis is not listed in their current board of trustees.
http://www.thirdway.org/about#board

Probably an older graphic.

[Bread and Circus]

17. They are brothers. Peter was the guy who built Progressive mainly.

Daniel is the younger brother. Interestingly I believe he is partly resonsible for the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is in Cleveland.

Being rich buys a lot of influence in all spheres of life.

Economics matters.

[aidbo]

19. Yes, money buys influence in many ways and places. Hence why we should be so vigilant..

..in stopping its influence in politics and government.

[ibegurpard]

4. Third Way is a figment of our imagination ..

I read it right here on the DU!😁

[sabrina 1]

6. Yeah, well not to most Democrats it isn't a figment of the imagination. If only that was true!

I also hear they are 'progressive'! Lol!

[Mnpaul]

26. I'm amazed at the contortions necessary

of the Clinton supporters. They really have to twist history to make her look good.

Never mind Clinton's ties to the Koch brothers. Nothing to see here.

[sabrina 1]

29. I know, I would find that to be too exxhausting and just find a candidate who is easier

to promote!

[Kelvin Mace]

7. Kos is a progressive,

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he is just afflicted with a terminal case of "pragmatism" translates into support for center-right candidates.

[sabrina 1]

10. Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that. He found it necessary to 'evolve'

on a couple of thngs since he posted his very first blog post in which he informed people of his opposition to abortion among other progressive views.

He worked for Henry Hyde, and airc, admitted that the ONLY thing he agreed with us liberals about was the Iraq War.

I was there when he told women, gays and minorities that their 'pet issues' (you know, like Civil Riights) was not going to be allowed to 'cause the Party to lose'.

He's as likely to flip flop on this as he has in the past on other stands he has taken.

He has banned more liberals from that site than can be counted.

But I DO agree that he is 'pragmatic' and sees the trend of the country now to the Left and 'winning' is everything to him, not issues.

[Kelvin Mace]

33. We don't disagree

I just failed to make my obvious.

[ChiTownDenny]

45. I'm no fan of Kos,

but what you're spewing is pretty close to slander. Although I have to admit that after I read the first couple sentences of this, um, diary, I knew better than to waste my time. And let me reiterate, I am no fan of Kos!

[sabrina 1]

51. But you did waste your time. Welcome to DU btw. If you can point out anything that I said

that is not true, please do. Many of us were around in the early days of Kos and stating facts is not slander.

[ChiTownDenny]

52. It seems we both agree

that this, um, diary was a waste of time. BTW, Bernie has many fine points and pointing those out would go a lot further than knocking others who don't see things your way. That's just a general observation and not meant to be specific to this diary.
And thanks for the welcome!

[sabrina 1]

53. I speak from experience and can certainly link to any claim I make. Are you disputing ANYTHING

I said, or using the old 'I'll tell you what you think' tactic eg 'we both agree' when we obviously don't, that never was very effective.

I remember when people were so excited and felt so powerful when they could do things like that on the interenet. I did it myself when I was a lot younger and far less wise.

But I did ask you to point out something specific that is incorrect.

Since you did not not and have now 'wasted' two comments, I take it we agree that there is actually nothing in my OP or comments that is not true.

[L. Coyote]

23. Pragmatism is a useful trait in politics.

Dems have learned that lesson the hard way more than once. Pragmatic centrism characterizes the Clintons in politics. Right now, progressive politics seems far more pragmatic than ever before.

[Kelvin Mace]

31. Pragmatism is fine

until it becomes code "do/say whatever you must to get elected". The DNC took that philosophy up a long time ago.

[L. Coyote]

39. Disagree. Easy to characterize other's actions negatively though.

Maybe you could explain how you arrive at such an onerous conclusion?

[Kelvin Mace]

43. Personal experience

with people, specifically business and political, who invoke "pragmatism", as an excuse for their actions. It is certainly used a lot on this board to excuse everything from war crimes to association with war criminals.

[sabrina 1]

57. The word has been overused, misused and has come to mean 'we know better than voters

because we are superior, unlike those naive Liberals'. It's a word that was adapted by the DLC/Third Way used to imply that Liberals were 'idealists' who would never get anywhere.

I was there when it was introduced and slogged through all the 'debates' about 'Pragmatists V Idealists' which only demonstrated that those who throw it around had little idea of the meaning of the word, or its origins.

But that's what Think Tanks do. They come up with 'lingo' to control the message.

Now we are looking at Dems LOSING to complete MORONS thanks to the 'pragmatists' who refused to listen to the voters.

Our party has been hi-jacked by 'pragatists'. They have turned it into a bad word which is what happens when you use a word so often to denigrate other people to the point where it becomes meaningless.

All I know is we are losing, and they, the Third Way have overseen those losses.

Kos finally seems to get that. About time, because he sure didn't get it until pretty recently.

[Scootaloo]

47. He's one of those "Bush-Era" progressives

You know, the sort of people who between 2001-2009, assumed that because they didn't favor Bush, they were progressives and liberal stalwarts... But when taken out of context of the Bush years, end up looking more like Reagan-era Republicans?

[Kelvin Mace]

54. I believe he has admitted to being a Republican back in the day

but became disenchanted with them in the late Clinton era.

[Scuba]

8. Thank you sabrina, for this post and the many, many other great posts you bring to DU!

[sabrina 1]

12. Thank you Scuba and the same to you. Thanks for all your contributions also. I look for

names like yours because I know I will not be reading worthless talking points!

[TheProgressive]

14. Excellent post!

Good work Sabrina 1...!

[sabrina 1]

16. No problem. Just wanted to be sure that the myth going around about this destructiv

force within our party 'doesn't exist' is put to rest. Though I know most Democrats are very aware of them.

[cantbeserious]

18. Excellent OP

eom

[Enthusiast]

20. Kicked and recommended!

Thank you, sabrina.

[bbgrunt]

21. K n R!!

[Phlem]

22. Thanks for putting this out there Sabrina.

After the midterms I couldn't stand it any more and have been yelling this from the rooftops.

The Third Way is only about funneling money to the top. They Don't care about constituents.

Look at where the Democratic party is today because of them.

In my opinion, anyone who supports the Third Way supports the destruction of the Democratic party.

Period.

[restorefreedom]

24. but hillary is a progressive!! nt

[MissDeeds]

25. Yeah, and I'm a unicorn

[Armstead]

27. Quit whining you damn malcontent. The Third Way is just an obscure Think Tank.

Hillary is too progressive to listen to them. She'll stand up to Wall St. and tell them to stop.

She told me so.

[LiberalLovinLug]

28. K & R

[Bernblu]

32. Hillary will say or do anything to get elected

Once she is elected she will do whatever her third-way and other wealthy donors want.

[Populist_Prole]

35. Big Time Bingo

I'd like to believe her latent populist-ish talk is for real...for real...not just an attempt to quell the Sanders groundswell. I really would. I like her.

It's just that everything she's said before...and everything she's not said is giving me yet another case of caveat emptor. The third-way connections don't help. ( obviously )

It's for these reasons I truly believe her talk of support for the working class is counterfeit, and that the latter group will be thrown under the bus once ( if ) elected.

Said latter group will summarily be told to STFU upon being thrown under the bus and be tersely reminded that the GOP will be ( marginally ) worse economically....and here we go again.

Fuck that shit. I love hearing the PTB are shitting themselves over Sander's surge.

[sabrina 1]

36. Good post, I watch what they do now, not what they say, and I know that Bernie's actions

match his words. Hillary's not so much.

It's that simple for me, he's been right consistently on most of the major issues, she's been so very wrong on so many important issues.

And the Third Way connections don't help at all, I agree.

[raouldukelives]

37. And the wealthy in spirit. It takes lots of little donors to make a big one.

Everything counts in large amounts.

[nolabels]

38. I would like to know about those used in the bundling of funds

The $2700 is are molecules in the bucket. How many were others, those who had funds run through their hands just so there could be those larger totals. The grass roots for HRC seems smaller, and by deduction what were those more flush with cash thinking or did they not really care much of how things go?

[sabrina 1]

50. That's the max they can donate but yes, they are probably pouring money into Hillary's Super Pacs

Thanks to CU they can do that and we are not allowed to know how much or who is funding those Super Pacs.

It is SO incredibly corrupt!

[SoapBox]

34. Total K & R!

[rhett o rick]

40. Pragmatism, the justification for ignoring the 16 million American children living in poverty.

The Right Wing will tell you to your face that Corp-Profits and the transfer of wealth to the wealthiest it is God's way and if children starve, it's just too bad.

The Conservative DEmocrat that hides behind Pragmatism, lives in a denial bubble and will fight you to the death if you try to shake them out of it. It's not that they want the children to starve, it's that they just don't want to sacrifice anything to prevent it.

[sabrina 1]

48. Yes it is a word used by cold hearted people who want to brush aside the results of

their terrible policies. 'Collateral Damage' is pragmatic eg. To focus on the dead children would not serve a political purpose so it's best to be 'pragmatic' about it.

It's one of their favorite words.

[rhett o rick]

41. The Third WAy is a Think Tank. Of course Think really means Conspire. They are one of many

conservative Conspire Tanks. Conservatives hate anyone exposing their conspiracies therefore they go out of their way to try to bully those of us that want their conservative conspiracies exposed. So IMO those that scream the loudest to hide or lock discussions they label as CT, most likely support the conspiracy.

[sulphurdunn]

42. I hear a lot of people say things like,

"Third Way has too much influence," or "Third Way needs to be rejected before it destroys the party."

Well, Third Way is where the money is. Third Way owns the leadership of the party, and the reason for that is Wall Street figured out way back in the early 80s that it made more sense to own both parties and hedge its bets than to risk backing a looser.

[sabrina 1]

49. Yes, exactly! They OWN Debbie Wasserman Schultz eg. That is why NOTHING either the people or

the candidates OTHER than the one the Third Way wants will move her an inch.

[Kip Humphrey]

44. Excellent OP sabrina 1! I hope you post it over on Daily Kos.

[sabrina 1]

46. Well, I got the information from there mostly. I don't know if kos

responded to Bob Johnson's diary. It's odd that he would not have known of Hillary's close ties to the these people.

[Uncle Joe]

55. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, sabrina.

[sabrina 1]

56. You're welcome Uncle Joe!