Crazy Gun Nut Bernie is at it again....Oh wait a Minute

[Armstead]

Jezzus, there goes that crazy gun nut Bernie again. Waffling on gun control. Peddling his crap about a consensus on guns.Claiming that the country is too polarized about the issue, and using his code about "balanced policies" to placate those gun loving NRA types. ..Distracting from the issue by saying mental health should be an important key.

Worse, he's talking like a damn conservative. Playing down national gun policies, and advocating for States Rights and Local Rights, because rural and urban areas are not the same. What a wingnut.

Also, making his usual standard racist mantra that economics trumps everything, and saying that more jobs for African Americans is the answer to crime and violence.

God he makes me so mad!
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What might work in New York City is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of, you know, blanket rules that they’re going to try to impose, I think doesn’t make sense.

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We will not make progress on a sensible gun control agenda unless the entire American public gets behind it.
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I respect the Second Amendment. I respect the rights of lawful gun owners to own guns, to use their guns, but I also believe that most lawful gun owners whom I have spoken with for many years across our country also want to be sure that we keep those guns out of the wrong hands. And as president, I will work to try to bridge this divide, which I think has been polarizing and, frankly, doesn’t reflect the common sense of the American people. We will strike the right balance to protect the constitutional right but to give people the feeling & the reality that they will be protected from guns in the wrong hands.
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Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?

A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case you’re referring to is before the Supreme Court.

Q: But what do you support?

A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.

Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?

A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to] come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.

Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?

A: What I favor is what works in NY...one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they’re going to try to impose, I think doesn’t make sense.
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How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?

A: I think it’s important to remember that the crime rate was driven down, & gun violence was driven down in the 1990s because of a combination of policies, like 100,000 police on the street and getting assault weapons off the street, and because of a growing economy. 22 million new jobs gave people who were hopeless a better chance for a future. So I want to get back to what works. This administration has tried to kill the 100,000 police. You’ve got mayors whose police force is outgunned by the criminals and the gang-bangers. Assault weapons are back on the street. We’ve got to go and do what works again. In addition to having policies that will get guns off the street, we do have to give young men particularly a better chance of a future that includes educational & economic opportunities & second chances when they get caught up in the criminal justice system.

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http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Gun_Control.htm

Ooops. Sorry. That's Hillary Clinton, circa 2008

(The point is not that Clinton does not support gun control. But she has said and taken many of the same positions and given the same messages that she and her supporters now criticize Sanders for.)

[ibegurpard]

1. Oh myyyy...

To quote George Takei

[Armstead]

5. myyyyyyy, my,my

[Historic NY]

2. Your rehashing old stuff..

which has no bearing now on DC or NY State..which has the Safe Act and it along with Ct. new laws have been upheld by the court in 2015. The court recently stuck down some of the DC laws in 2015. No one seems to have asked her about 2015.

[Armstead]

4. I'm rehashing old stuff because his opponents keep distorting his positions

[ibegurpard]

6. we're rehashing old stuff

(Which isn't that old by the way) because she's trying to say she is something her past record DOES NOT SUPPORT.
Some people call that lying.

[paleotn]

14. So the currrent wind direction....

...is all that matters?

[Armstead]

19. yep

[guillaumeb]

3. Nicely done. eom

[iandhr]

7. All the whining in the world won't change the fact...

.... that he opposed the Brady Bill.


And that he voted in favor of given gun makers legal immunity from law suits.

[Armstead]

8. Indeed he did both (And please cut the "whining" crap. That's teenager talk.)

For reasons he saw as valid, and not contrary to his basic agreement with Clinton and most all Democrats on the basic goals for gun control.

INCLUDING those stated by Clinton, before it became politically expedient to criticize Sanders for holding her own damn position.

Disagree with hos actual positins all you want. But that's not the same as misrepresenting them.

[bvar22]

9. There are major differences in needs between Urban and Rural America.

I don't see any need for anyone living in an urban or suburban area to own or keep a gun. They are more likely to shoot a family member or a neighbor than any "bad guy".

There are places in rural America where firearms are still necessary to protect families, pets, and stock.

[ibegurpard]

10. you sound like a gun nut!

[Aerows]

12. I guess I'm a gun nut, too

because I don't want to get killed by a wild hog or have children get dragged off by coyotes. I can guarantee that no matter how much attitude someone has in NYC, the minute they are faced with a big dangerous animal and the police are several minutes away (and the hospital is even further), harsh language isn't going to cut it.

[ibegurpard]

15. you could tell them to "cut it out"?

[paleotn]

20. Ok, lets try that ....

Nope. Doesn't work.

[Aerows]

24. That poor kid was going ballistic

Nope, cut it out and bear spray did not work as intended.

[Aerows]

22. "Cut it out!"

"Stop trying to eat my cat, tear down my fence, destroy my garden and dismember the kids down the street!"

I'm quite sure that will turn out well.

Maybe I should tell the animals that I'll pray for them instead?

[Z_California]

25. Haha!

That only works with Wall Street.

[bvar22]

13. Some would call me that,

....but they don't live here.
If they did, they would quickly change their mind.

[ibegurpard]

17. They don't live here either

She will cost us all dearly down-ballot here in Montana with her pandering on this. And it's not even sincere.

[tecelote]

16. Rural America fear urban hunters.

City folk who go to the country once a year to bag a buck.

[Aerows]

23. Isn't that the truth!

Have mercy. They are the ones that shoot every damn thing that moves without checking what they are shooting at.

[Aerows]

11. I'm eager for a person from Brooklyn

to tell me how to deal with a wild pig in the backyard, a coyote, or a 6 foot alligator. Because that is a reality. These are not just nuisances, they are dangerous to pets, children, livestock and in some cases adults.

Under no circumstances should people in rural areas be denied rifles for hunting or shotguns for defense. Only an idiot would run outside with a 9mm to deal with a wild hog, or worse, just go out there and try to reason with a coyote. You are welcome to try, but I won't

[Armstead]

18. I'm assuming you caught the intended irony in the OP

[Aerows]

21. I did.

I just wanted to speak my piece, too .

[A Simple Game]

27. Even something as small and cute as a raccoon or skunk... with rabies. n/t

[Aerows]

39. That!

I know all about needing to get a rabies shot due to overly aggressive raccoons because neighbors were feeding them. One of them weighed freaking 40 lbs. Big old sucker.

[A Simple Game]

43. And inch long claws on those cute hand-like paws. n/t

[MADem]

26. What are they saying .... TODAY?

You can play the "gotcha" game.

You can play the "consistent" game.

You can play the "evolved (like it's a bad thing to do this)" game.

But what you can't do is pretend that this isn't an issue, and people will make up their minds how they feel about it, and what candidates are saying about it .... TODAY.


Shit keeps happening--you think it doesn't affect the POV of the electorate?

And really--what a tone-deaf thread, in light of this:

Suspected Gunman Dead After Colorado Shooting Spree

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- Four people are dead, including a suspected gunman, following a shooting spree in Colorado Springs on Saturday.

Lt. Catherine Buckley says officers were responding to a report of shots being fired when they spotted a suspect matching the description of the person they were trying to find. Buckley says the suspect opened fire, and police fired back.

CBS affiliate KKTV reported police were originally called to North Prospect Street at 8:45 a.m. on reports of gunshots. They found a deceased man sprawled on the side of the street, his backpack still on his back.

Multiple witnesses told KKTV the suspect went on a shooting rampage in the minutes leading up to the gun battle with police outside a Wendy's.

"I looked out my kitchen window and I saw a man in a green jacket firing an AR-15...waited a few seconds, went out my house, looked to my left and saw a man down the street, probably 50 feet. I started calling him and I called the cops," witness Matt Abshire told The Colorado Springs Gazette....

"Crazy Gun Nut Bernie" (your term) needs to do some EVOLVING--right quick. And no, it's NOT a bad thing to do that.

[Armstead]

28. Not criticizing her position then or now -- Just the hyopcracy

I'm not going to get into an endless round and round over gun policy.

The point of the OP is thst she snd her campaign and supporters criticize him for the same things she herself has said and positions she has taken. Now she characterizes the same positions as pro gun.

It is especially egregious that she has talked about how the issue has been too polarizing, and then gets into a jab at Sanders for saying the same thing in the debate (and throwing a victim snark about shouting)

Changing times be damned. The country has not changed so much that such core messages have suddenly become irrelevant. Only if it comes from one of her opposing challengers.

And all the crap attacking Sanders for emphasizing economic opportunity as an important solution for AA problems, when she said the same thing...and tossed in the phrase gang bangers and said more police presence and enforcement was necessary.

I Realize you will dismiss all that, and rationalize her political opportunism and double standard. Oh well.

[George II]

29. You can go on and on as much as you want, but Senator Sanders voted...

...FOUR times against The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act.

Not once, not twice, not three times, but FOUR times, and also against a compromise amendment.

[Armstead]

31. I'm not denying it.

ALthough that was two decades ago, which is considerably further back than 2008

BUT I guess you'll deny or ignore the fact that Clinton has expressed many of the things Sanders has said and advicated for -- but that she (and supporters) criticize him for now for purely political purposes.

[George II]

32. Sanders has been in the House/Senate for 25+ years, he was in a position to push for the things...

...that he's now talking about.

[Armstead]

35. People have their main issues

Bernie has supported most gun control legislation, but his record is no better or worse than most legislators who favor it but are not focused on it. It has not been an issue at the top of his priority list. So no, he is not a champion for gun control, any more that a majority of other legislators.

But you still ignore the point that Clinton criticizes him for positions and messages she herself has taken...I suppose her inconsistency doesn't matter

[HerbChestnut]

33. And yet gun violence continues to soar.

Look, I don't like the fact that he didn't vote for that bill, but let's be honest, it hasn't been all that effective.

https://today.duke.edu/2000/09/brady901.html

http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/news/2003_spr/cook.htm

We need *real* gun control legislation and an overhaul of our mental health system.

[dreamnightwind]

30. Very well done, thanks /nt

[sadoldgirl]

34. Don't worry, please.

Should she become the nominee, she will evolve quickly
backwards.
Actually I don't know anymore what that verb is supposed
to mean. On this board it certainly has lost its scientific
meaning.

[Armstead]

36. Evolution equals political calculation

[bigwillq]

37. I think Bernie's stance on guns and gun control is fine.

He actually makes a lot of sense.

I am for regulation, but feel folks should be allowed to own as many guns as they want as long as they go through the proper channels to acquire said guns.

And, no, I don't think I am gun nut. I don't own one nor have I ever shot one.

[Armstead]

38. He's got a reasonable moderate position....Too bad it's being portrayed otherwise

[Aerows]

40. Long guns

like rifles and shotguns are defense and hunting weapons. Those should NEVER be prohibited.

Hand guns? Meh - I'm not going to fool around during a home invasion (wild damn animals are the greatest threat in our area) Shotgun. Point and shoot. You hit someone because you can't miss, and they don't get back up again.

I'm not a fan of handguns. Long guns? You would have to be dumber than a bag of hair to *NOT* have both in my part of the country.

[Todays_Illusion]

41. I am ever so glad Bernie is not buying the big lie that liberals automatically hate guns.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

42. KnR! n/t