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Television News Network Lobbyists Are Fundraising for Hillary ClintonBy Lee Fang * Oct. 29, 2015 * The Intercept
Over the last two presidential debates, both Democratic and Republican candidates have asserted that the television news media is biased and has done a poor job informing voters of the most pressing issues in the election.
And while their focus is on things like the type of questions asked by debate moderators, they are overlooking much clearer signs of potential conflicts of interest. Fundraising disclosures released this month and in July reveal that lobbyists for media companies are raising big money for establishment presidential candidates, particularly Hillary Clinton.
The giant media companies that shape much of the coverage of the presidential campaign have a vested stake in the outcome. From campaign finance laws that govern how money is spent on advertising to the regulators who oversee consolidation rules, the media industry has a distinct policy agenda, and with it, a political team to influence the result.
The top fundraisers for Clinton include lobbyists who serve the parent companies of CNN and MSNBC.
The National Association of Broadcasters, a trade group that represents the television station industry, has lobbyists who are fundraising for both Clinton and Republican candidate Marco Rubio. ~snip~
AIR, a media watchdog group, reported in June that Meet the Press, NBCs marquee political program, mentioned Clinton 16 times in the first 17 episodes of the year while failing to invite or discuss Bernie Sanders once. Sanders has no lobbyist bundlers and no Super PAC supporting his campaign.
Its clear that establishment politicians get softer treatment, in general, than outsider candidates, says Jeff Cohen, an associate professor of journalism at Ithaca College. The coziness of the media industry with elite politicians of both parties, he adds, has never been cozier.
https://theintercept.com/2015/10/29/media-fundraisers-presidential/
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)questionseverything
(9,651 posts)when cnn took down the poll showing bernie winning the debate that we were told how crazy we were for saying cnn was trying to help hc?
and we now have it documented that indeed major players for cnn are bundlers for hc
are we at the bottom of the rabbit hole yet?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)They don't give two shits about traditional media.
As Democrats and/or left-leaning voters, I wish us older voters would follow in the young peoples' footsteps and shun the M$M. I really don't care what Joey Scar is talking about because I know it's through his right-wing filter.
If we'd all stop watching this garbage, they'd have to either put on more fair program or die a slow death.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and expose it, whenever possible.
Just letting it drone on, while ignoring it, means I can't challenge it when it
goes off the deep end.
Never-the-less, i do mostly agree that M$M "coverage" is mostly covering the backsides of
Establishment hacks & 'insiders', and is disgusting to watch.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Unfortunately, many older voters still think the mainstream media is like the days of yore when it was actually fair and balanced. Now it's nothing but propaganda and many don't realize it.
*Note: I'm a former reporter in my mid-40s.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)They operate the MSM and news divisions. But that is small potatoes.
They want to Merge and remove all controls over their behavior so they can completely monopolize the operations of the Internet, Broadcast Media and Telecommunications.
That means prices, service, trms of use -- The Whole Enchilada of our communications infrastructure.
To his credit, Obama's administration has stopped many of their worst plans.
But they're cozying up to Clinton...Which raises big doubts whether she will be as tough on them as Obama.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)yep they want it all ..
Thanks for zooming out, to see the bigger picture here.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Wanting to control the news is a bit, er, open to interpretation. And it;s not the most important by a longshot.
It is one piece of a much bigger picture.
As I mentioned, Obama held them at bay. But Clinton might give them the keys to the kingdom.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Thanks for zooming out to see the bigger picture
erronis
(15,241 posts)You can allow perfectly free, open discussions on various M$M sites, but the wires that the discussions go through are controlled by the broadcast entities.
I know everyone will say that the people will notice "drop-outs" when an interesting tidbit is about to be said. However, the tinkering with the message will be a lot more subtle. There will be substitutions of content for the whole program, or segments. This tailoring might be done on a per-subscriber or location basis.
Don't think that I'm being paranoid or conspiratorial (but that's ok too). The content deliverers have already put in place very sophisticated throttling mechanisms. And it's not just bandwidth usage, it's packet headers and packet contents.
... Let me know if you didn't receive this ...
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)That was perhaps the worst atrocity inflicted on the media and communications system since Marconi set off his little spark.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 2, 2015, 07:35 PM - Edit history (1)
She saw nothing! She knew nothing! she was not there! she did not even get up that morning!
And by tomorrow - She never supported that. In fact, she warned against it!
jfern
(5,204 posts)They'll shape up after that.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, Hillary is accepting the money for purely altruistic reasons.
Or...something.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Thanks for the thread, 99th Monkey.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Enthusiast
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Darb
(2,807 posts)Hillary didn't make the rules, no? Nor does she control who supports her. If I had any interest that might be affected by the government, I would certainly give money to the favorite.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is what is destroying our country. This attitude right here.
I can hope for a unicorn, but I choose not to. Instead, I weigh my options and decide from there. I will say it again as I have for a long time, I love Bernie. I am going to vote for Hillary.
Do I want to change Citizens United? Yeah, I do. But you do realize that it was cleared in the Supreme Court and it would take a Constitutional Amendment or a two judge change in the court to overturn it right?
Could you please outline for me your strategy? What do you have up your sleeve?
I get it, the Clintons are political animals. No shit. That is the game.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)An arm that pulls the proverbial lever. An arm that drives the elderly folks in my neighborhood to the polls. An arm that shakes the hands of people after I have discussed why Bernie Sanders is who we need as our leader.
My arm does not draw back in a fist. It reaches out to give a helping hand. It's high time that this country stopped using its fists and instead embraces us, the people that live under the auspices of it.
The governance of my nation is not a game. It is absolutely serious business to me.
Darb
(2,807 posts)I will slip away without further confrontation. I like Bernie too.
erronis
(15,241 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I should know my place, as one of the Little People and STFU.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Darb
(2,807 posts)What's the big plan? How are you going to make all those things happen inside of our governmental structure? Is Bernie going to coattail a filibuster proof Senate and a new House majority? I don't think so, do you?
Some of us are just trying to move the ship, incrementally. It is big and unwieldy. But we don't want to turn back the other way and if we blow this we will not only go the other way, we will get whiplash. You Bernie supporters are so mad at us and why? Because we don't believe that we can turn the ship on a dime? We cannot.
For the record, I like Bernie too.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)look no further than Vermont, where he regularly gets 21-25% of the GOP vote, from
people who KNOW him, and TRUST him.
Just try to find that many Republicans ANYWHERE who feel that way about Hillary.
Not to mention the huge numbers of Independents an otherwise disaffected voters who
are turning out for Bernie.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)It makes my life easier ... CLICK!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I don't know what this tells you. I only know what it tells me.
We had better support Bernie Sanders.
There is no alternative.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)by just about all accepted methods of polling?
Why, that surely has never happened.. in the history.. of any presidential election!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)More of the haughty authority that the little people don't matter.
Yet another problem with the approach Hillary Clinton's campaign has taken thus far.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)of people support her. Most people do NOT want Sanders as president.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)about ready to vote totally against their own self-interest, because of the kind of crap
CNN pulled with the debate, pulling down any and all information they could (including
of course their own) that admitted the clear winner of the debate -- according to viewers --
was Bernie.
The M$M is of course getting better and better at their dark art of mass deception. No
argument there. Practice makes perfect.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)Except, of course, the Enlightened Sanders fans.
Actually, Hillary Clinton has fought for the poor and middle class of this country for decades, whereas Sanders has next to nothing under his belt in terms of real accomplishments. That's why until he started running for president, the vast majority of people had no idea who the hell he was: he didn't do anything. Even today, most people's reaction to hearing his name is either "Who?" or "Meh."
Hillary Clinton won the debate decisively according to every scientific poll taken. And, no, Internet polls are not scientific. They are garbage at predicting anything. They mean less than nothing. That's why nobody except Sanders' own fans took them seriously. Dennis Kucinich crushed Internet polls. So did Ron Paul. I remember outraged right-wingers howling because Facebook and Reddit overwhelmingly supported Paul, so clearly he was going to crush everyone in the elections! Except, that's not how it worked out. Because Internet polls, as I said, are garbage.
When Sanders loses, I'm sure the excuses from his fans will come fast and furious. It was the media! It was the corporations! It was sabotage by Hillary and her henchmen! It was everyone and everything but the candidate himself.
Sanders, by the way, is a selfish hypocrite who has spent years attacking the Democratic Party, refusing to join or help get other Democratic elected. But when he decides he wants to be president, then joining the party is A-OK by him! Hillary has spent years raising money for Democrats and helping to elect Democrats. Sanders has done what to help the party, except cast votes he would have casted anyway?
Face it: Sanders is losing because people don't like him, they don't want him to be our nominee, and they don't want him to be president.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)I cannot think of more accurate terms to describe spending years attacking the Democratic party from the outside, only to join it when you decide to want to be President.
Gloria
(17,663 posts)BTW, has he really joined?
I went to the trouble of re-registering as a Democrat...
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Bernie is in this race, running as a Democrat, because otherwise he'd be attacked for
being a "spoiler" <- some Clintonistas still call him that, despite his obvious affinity for
Democrats over Republicans, across the board, for decades.
But don't let these inconvenient facts interrupt your obvious delight in spewing nonsensical
slurs about "Bernie hating Democrats".
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)That's not exactly something to applaud.
You make my point when you say Obama campaigned for him. So, Democrats and the Democratic Party have been supporting Sanders -- financially and in his campaigns. Where is the reciprocity? How much has Sanders done for other Democrats other than, as I said, voting how he would have voted anyway?
Not running as an independent is the very LEAST he could do after all the support he's been given.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Look. We obviously a) disagree, b) are not about to change each others opinion.
I think this is where we agree to disagree. Have a nice day.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)She's been a true warrior for the other 99%!
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)the same middle class he purports to be the guardian of? That is, if you really are more concerned with the "little people" (your words, not mine).
He flat out refuses the lobby or corporate money that he could get.. with no strings attached at all.. just to prove a pointless point shifting the entire financial burden of his campaign onto the middle class. To me, it would make more sense to accept it, but make it absolutely clear that they may donate, but it will not sway his positions or his veto pen at all. Seems both pompous and selfishe.
And please stow your hyperbole. Absolutely nowhere in my post do I even mention "little people" much less infer in any way shape or form that they don't matter.
In closing, thank you much for your high opinion of me, but rest assured, I am in no way, shape, or form the voice of the Hillary Clinton campaign, so I hardly see where my words dictates her campaign's "approach".
your loss.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Well, not really, but don't let clear thinking, reason or common sense get in your way.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)the way they've been run by every president, and likely every presidential hopeful for at least the last hundred years somehow magically makes her a lessor or "bought" candidate.
The foolishness didn't start here.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)A) we haven't had Citizens United campaign cash-gluts, EVER, in the past "100 years", not since recent SCOTUS decision.
B) there was a time - back in the day -- when public financing of campaigns was a very popular progressive idea, that
just didn't quite get enough traction to become the law of the land before, roughly, the Reagan years,.
C) the popularity of public financing of campaigns was precisely because the public understands the corrupting influence of "buying politicians" .. a notion which you seem completely ignorant of.
I'll leave it there, for brevity's sake.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Attacking Bernie because he relies on small donations? OMG.
You are conforming to what those lobbyists and power brokers want - you fell in line and are parroting their words like a good little soldier.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and perhaps a new low, if that's possible
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99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)it will not detract one whit from the truth of the statement that Hillary is bought & paid for, by
the Oligarchy, not one whit. Hell, the Clintons don't just represent the 1%, they ARE well
up into the 1%, wealth & income-wise.
From the linked article:
Fundraising disclosures released this month and in July reveal that lobbyists for media companies are raising big money for establishment presidential candidates, particularly Hillary Clinton.
So keep trotting out your self-proclaimed bullshit. It only makes you look ridiculous.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)No one is holding a gun to the head of anyone and saying you MUST contribute to Bernie Sanders. Nor is Bernie saying or implying, "Give your your money of you want my support if I am elected."
People will contribute of they want to because they support his agenda and believe he is the best candidate. Or not.
Bernie is not going to reward them with individual pieces of legislation or actions. Instead he will be beholden to the collective interests of average people, regardless of whether an individual contributes to him or not.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)I kinda think I'd rather a candidate be beholden to the collective small contributions of many supporters who are not looking to jack the rules for personal/corporate favors.
Do you have ANY clue what is at stake in telecommunications issues in the coming years? That whomever is the chief executive will have a major role in determine how we communicate as a society? Amd whether the information infrastructure is treated as a public necessity or a private commodity?
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)How dare he!
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Gosh they're not going to expect annnnny payback for their generous support.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)on our so-called democracy!
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)It's the way our system works though; it doesn't matter what's best for the majority of us, those with the money and power chose what's best for them, then 'persuade' the rest of us to conform.
Our political system is a joke.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)that makes me spend more time with History or History2 Channels hoping that "they" come soon....if they ever intend to come at all.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)fadedrose
(10,044 posts)American . . .
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Allowed a handful of media corporations to buy up almost unlimited media providers. Where once there were many owners of different channels it is not only a few owners, and most of them have subsequently turned once good channels into lowest common denominator crap.
A nutshell version.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)How do we get our democracy back?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)That's a start.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)how some of the very policies pushed on Bill's watch, bleed into Hillary's current campaign.
War on drugs, mass incarceration, deregulation, anti-labor "trade" deals, etc. the tendrils
of Oligarchy-unchained around the neck of We the People.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Am I the only one who sees a few parallels ?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Though the craven desperation for power is a trope that goes back far further than the Clintons.
appalachiablue
(41,128 posts)loosened. For example, previously one media company could not own every newspaper, radio and TV station in a city or area. The changes since 1996 have allowed companies to buy up, merge and consolidate with other companies, with little restriction so we've seen the rise of fewer, but larger giant media companies/conglomerates, very similar to monopolies.
Since 2012, one company ('Clear', I believe) owns 1,200 radio stations in the US now. So we're getting the point of view and politics of ONE OWNER and board of directors, instead of 20 OWNERS.
It's similar to the way the BANKS were deregulated in 1999 with the Graham-Leach-Bliley Act. And as a result many smaller banks were swallowed up or put out of business by the 5-6 major Big Banks that we have now.
Airlines, drugstores and health insurance companies have been consolidating to where we will only have 3-4 choices soon. Eg, Walgreens is buying Rite Aide now. It's unregulated, runaway 'free market' capitalism= Monopolies- Eat or Be Eaten mentality.
CHART Below: In 1983, there were about *50 large media owners who controlled 90% of what we see on TV, read in newspapers and magazines, and hear on radio. As of 2011, there are *6 mega media conglomerates that control 90% of what we read, hear and see in the US. (Below substitute *COMCAST for GE).
TV Channels like Arts & Entertainment/A & E, The Learning Channel/TLC, Bravo and others decided in the 2000s to use only Initials and to change their content, from real culture and entertainment like foreign films, Biography, etc. to running popular reality TV shows like Duck Dynasty, Sister Wives.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,700 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,128 posts)The Republicans were the guests on probably over 90% of the MTP shows in the last few years and Hillary was considered as their likely adversary during that time so yes they are going to mention her.
Bernie appeared on the show in September 2014, May, July, August and October. Meanwhile, I believe Hillary has only been on the show once (September). I think it is a giant leap to make any conclusions about media bias based upon the first 17 episodes of this year, particularly since Bernie did not announce his candidacy until April.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)And that one candidate would spend more on TV ad time than the other. And there's the little matter of paying more in taxes to consider.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)of communication to become wholly owned corporate assets with zero regulation other than the "free market."
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)... blocking their "synergy".
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Confidence in her ability.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)to govern for them.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Sanders will be able to get much of his issues on the floor of congress and less confidence he has a plan to pay for his programs.
jfern
(5,204 posts)The corporate media is in the tank for the corporate candidate.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Good for ratings. Or maybe they are just in her and Bill's circle of friends.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Enough about poor Hillary being 'picked on' mercilessly by the M$M. Though their may be
a kernel of truth to it, she also brings a lot of it on herself; and the media can't help themselves
when she hands them a story on a silver platter.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)When are we going to say, "enough is enough"?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)for that. It was unprecedented, now we have the answer.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)But, the good news is, the more light we can shed on that, the more voters can
cast a truly informed vote, to vote in their own self-interest for a change.
Like this clever experiment these young folk did on the DC mall.
Thanks for weighing in Sabrina1.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)No problem 99, the more info we have, the more we share it, the better off this country will be.
Thanks for the OP.