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99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 12:22 PM Nov 2015

Oh Boy! "Television News Network Lobbyists Are Fundraising for Hillary Clinton"

Television News Network Lobbyists Are Fundraising for Hillary Clinton
By Lee Fang * Oct. 29, 2015 * The Intercept

Over the last two presidential debates, both Democratic and Republican candidates have asserted that the television news media is biased and has done a poor job informing voters of the most pressing issues in the election.

And while their focus is on things like the type of questions asked by debate moderators, they are overlooking much clearer signs of potential conflicts of interest. Fundraising disclosures released this month and in July reveal that lobbyists for media companies are raising big money for establishment presidential candidates, particularly Hillary Clinton.

The giant media companies that shape much of the coverage of the presidential campaign have a vested stake in the outcome. From campaign finance laws that govern how money is spent on advertising to the regulators who oversee consolidation rules, the media industry has a distinct policy agenda, and with it, a political team to influence the result.

The top fundraisers for Clinton include lobbyists who serve the parent companies of CNN and MSNBC.

The National Association of Broadcasters, a trade group that represents the television station industry, has lobbyists who are fundraising for both Clinton and Republican candidate Marco Rubio. ~snip~

AIR, a media watchdog group, reported in June that “Meet the Press,” NBC’s marquee political program, mentioned Clinton 16 times in the first 17 episodes of the year while failing to invite or discuss Bernie Sanders once. Sanders has no lobbyist bundlers and no Super PAC supporting his campaign.

“It’s clear that establishment politicians get softer treatment, in general, than outsider candidates,” says Jeff Cohen, an associate professor of journalism at Ithaca College. The “coziness of the media industry with elite politicians of both parties,” he adds, “has never been cozier.”

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/29/media-fundraisers-presidential/




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Oh Boy! "Television News Network Lobbyists Are Fundraising for Hillary Clinton" (Original Post) 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 OP
Snug as a lil ole bug in a rug. nt nc4bo Nov 2015 #1
Yup. George Carlin's infamous "Big Club" takes care of it's own. -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #2
wasn't it like 2 weeks ago after the only dem debate so far questionseverything Nov 2015 #55
in a jug by a slug MisterP Nov 2015 #13
Always. All ways. 840high Nov 2015 #83
This is why more younger voters are for Bernie. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #3
I mostly agree, except for needing to track M$M distortions and mis-reporting 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #4
Sure, I agree with tracking it, as long as we're all not watching it. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #25
A really sad and discouraged K&R nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #5
It's not the News Providers -- It's the Telecommunications Monopolies Armstead Nov 2015 #6
So many fronts to keep track of .. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #7
Yeah I know. But it is an important distinction Armstead Nov 2015 #8
Ha! before I saw your response, I edited my reply to you with this addition 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #9
And controlling the news can be done at the packet level, too. erronis Nov 2015 #24
Another thing we can thank Bill Clinton for "The Telecommunactions Act of 1996" nt Snotcicles Nov 2015 #10
Yeo. One more reason i don't trust Team Cinton on this. Armstead Nov 2015 #11
If there was ever a time we needed the "Fairness Doctrine" it is now. nt Snotcicles Nov 2015 #12
HRC channeling Sgt. Schultz:I know nozzing! nozzing! about that. Divernan Nov 2015 #18
She'll send a tweet telling them to "cut it out" jfern Nov 2015 #82
Returning the favor for the Telecommunication Deregulation Act. nt OnyxCollie Nov 2015 #17
Maybe. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #31
I'm sure they're doing if for purely altruistic reasons. Like getting the money out of politics. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #14
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #15
I can't wait to hear how "This is actually a Good Thing, because of reasons!" n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #16
No kidding. n/t Aerows Nov 2015 #20
Reasons! You know. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #29
Are you complaining or jealous? Darb Nov 2015 #19
This kind of attitude Aerows Nov 2015 #21
Wrong again. Darb Nov 2015 #22
What do I have up my sleeve? Aerows Nov 2015 #33
You sound like a very kind sort. Darb Nov 2015 #43
Right again. Unless we make a stand, the empress will take the throne, naked. erronis Nov 2015 #26
Who am I to complain about The Oligarchy? 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #23
Yes, STFU! Who do you think you are! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #28
Your words, not mine. Darb Nov 2015 #48
Bernie's coat-tails will be much longer & wider than Hillary's 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #52
Thanks for exposing yourself Trajan Nov 2015 #54
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #27
Lobbiest are raising money for the person who is looking most likely to be the next President Amimnoch Nov 2015 #30
And there you have it. Aerows Nov 2015 #34
The "little people" support Hillary. In fact, the VAST majority NYC Liberal Nov 2015 #35
Uh-huh. n/t Aerows Nov 2015 #36
If that weren't the case then Sanders would be a mile ahead, not Hillary. NYC Liberal Nov 2015 #37
Yes, the very same M$M raising cash for Hillary, have many Little People sleep-walking into oblivion 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #58
Ah, yes, everyone is just a stupid sheep. NYC Liberal Nov 2015 #66
Calling Bernie a "selfish hypocrite"? Just wow. That may be a new low on the ugly curve, congrats. -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #69
It's a statement of fact. NYC Liberal Nov 2015 #72
Well said. Gloria Nov 2015 #74
Obama campaigned for Bernie, Bernie caucuses with Democrats 100% of the time, 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #92
So he's voting the way he would have anyway. NYC Liberal Nov 2015 #93
I've already answered your silly insinuations, to deaf ears apparently. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #94
That's why our 6 media conglomerates love her so much! mhatrw Nov 2015 #96
Perhaps you should be questioning why Bernie puts the unwarranted burdon of his campaign costs on Amimnoch Nov 2015 #38
Oh well Aerows Nov 2015 #39
Yes. Let's blame Bernie for running a clean campaign & refusing to be bought. Makes total sense. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #40
makes every bit as much sense for blaming Hillary for running her campaign donations Amimnoch Nov 2015 #41
Totally NOT true, why are you making shit up? 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #50
Did you seriously just write that?? Avalux Nov 2015 #44
I think this is a new one, in HRC's arsenal of BS attacks. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Amimnoch Nov 2015 #53
You can repeat your admittedly bull-shit argument until the cows come home 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #57
Ouch. That's gonna hurt....Not really Armstead Nov 2015 #62
It's not comparable and you know it. n/t Avalux Nov 2015 #65
THis is comedy, right? No strings attached? Armstead Nov 2015 #47
yes. Amimnoch Nov 2015 #56
How dare Sanders NOT grovel to the top 0.1%! mhatrw Nov 2015 #98
And that doesn't bother you at all? Armstead Nov 2015 #45
How dare anyone point out that clear conflict of interest and its corrosive effects mhatrw Nov 2015 #95
"HRC to Lobbyists..." CUT IT OUT!" Indepatriot Nov 2015 #32
This makes me sad, and angry. Avalux Nov 2015 #42
It's stuff like this fadedrose Nov 2015 #46
The History Channel that is so rotten because of Clinton Tekecmmunications policy Armstead Nov 2015 #49
You'll have to translate that into fadedrose Nov 2015 #59
Telecommunictions Reform pushed and signed by Bill Clinton Armstead Nov 2015 #60
That's sounds like what happened alright... fadedrose Nov 2015 #61
One of right-hand two pictures at the bottom of your post box Armstead Nov 2015 #63
Thank you for connecting those dots It is darkly fascinating to track over the decades .. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #67
Bill and Hillary are team. THis is basically a third term for both of them Armstead Nov 2015 #68
House of Cards 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #70
It wasn't a coincidence in how the personalities of characters were designed JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #79
The 1996 Tecomm Act deregulated the MEDIA, broke it up. Exisiting rules were lifted and appalachiablue Nov 2015 #73
"Clinton haters are the scum of the Earth" - Mike Malloy shenmue Nov 2015 #84
So I guess you like Media Monpolies? Thanks for an intelligent reply. Armstead Nov 2015 #85
Hey! What happened to the Liberal media? Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #64
The statistic about appearances and mentions during the beginning of the year is meaningless. TexasTowelie Nov 2015 #71
Exactly! 16 for 17 vs. 0 for 17 is clearly not statistically significant! nt mhatrw Nov 2015 #99
You'd almost think that potential profits were involved Babel_17 Nov 2015 #75
And of allowing more mergers and then finally selling off every possible means mhatrw Nov 2015 #101
I forgot about the mergers, and how they hate regulations ... Babel_17 Nov 2015 #102
Good for them, they know she is qualified for the office. I give money to her campaign also, I have Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #76
Yes, confidence in her ability to "deliver" the goods for Telecommunications Monopolies 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #77
Yes I like that also. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #78
At least you're owning it. I'll give you that. nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #81
Yes, the top 1% should have all the confidence in the world that she will continue mhatrw Nov 2015 #91
I am on the opposite end, I have confidence she will continue to serve us. I don't have confidence Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #104
CNN was running ads against Bernie on Facebook jfern Nov 2015 #80
I think they are excited about the potential for constant attacks should she be elected. glinda Nov 2015 #86
I'm thinking the second one -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #89
Funny. Thinking it could be both! glinda Nov 2015 #105
Obama told Hillary to 'stop playing the victim' years ago. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #106
K&R! KoKo Nov 2015 #87
K&R cprise Nov 2015 #88
Clearly one of the top 10 things wrong with American "democracy" mhatrw Nov 2015 #90
Deleting their own polls to protect Hillary from a huge embarrassent. Knew there had to be a reason sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #97
Yep. Hillary's corporatist BIG donor base is pulling out ALL the stops. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #100
That's cool! Young people are doing some really great and creative things. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #103

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
55. wasn't it like 2 weeks ago after the only dem debate so far
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 05:12 PM
Nov 2015

when cnn took down the poll showing bernie winning the debate that we were told how crazy we were for saying cnn was trying to help hc?

and we now have it documented that indeed major players for cnn are bundlers for hc

are we at the bottom of the rabbit hole yet?

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
3. This is why more younger voters are for Bernie.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 12:41 PM
Nov 2015

They don't give two shits about traditional media.

As Democrats and/or left-leaning voters, I wish us older voters would follow in the young peoples' footsteps and shun the M$M. I really don't care what Joey Scar is talking about because I know it's through his right-wing filter.

If we'd all stop watching this garbage, they'd have to either put on more fair program or die a slow death.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
4. I mostly agree, except for needing to track M$M distortions and mis-reporting
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 12:51 PM
Nov 2015

and expose it, whenever possible.

Just letting it drone on, while ignoring it, means I can't challenge it when it
goes off the deep end.

Never-the-less, i do mostly agree that M$M "coverage" is mostly covering the backsides of
Establishment hacks & 'insiders', and is disgusting to watch.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
25. Sure, I agree with tracking it, as long as we're all not watching it.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:08 PM
Nov 2015

Unfortunately, many older voters still think the mainstream media is like the days of yore when it was actually fair and balanced. Now it's nothing but propaganda and many don't realize it.

*Note: I'm a former reporter in my mid-40s.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
6. It's not the News Providers -- It's the Telecommunications Monopolies
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 01:00 PM
Nov 2015

They operate the MSM and news divisions. But that is small potatoes.

They want to Merge and remove all controls over their behavior so they can completely monopolize the operations of the Internet, Broadcast Media and Telecommunications.

That means prices, service, trms of use -- The Whole Enchilada of our communications infrastructure.

To his credit, Obama's administration has stopped many of their worst plans.

But they're cozying up to Clinton...Which raises big doubts whether she will be as tough on them as Obama.



 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
7. So many fronts to keep track of ..
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 01:12 PM
Nov 2015

yep they want it all ..

Thanks for zooming out, to see the bigger picture here.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
8. Yeah I know. But it is an important distinction
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 01:16 PM
Nov 2015

Wanting to control the news is a bit, er, open to interpretation. And it;s not the most important by a longshot.

It is one piece of a much bigger picture.

As I mentioned, Obama held them at bay. But Clinton might give them the keys to the kingdom.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
9. Ha! before I saw your response, I edited my reply to you with this addition
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 01:22 PM
Nov 2015

Thanks for zooming out to see the bigger picture

erronis

(15,241 posts)
24. And controlling the news can be done at the packet level, too.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:06 PM
Nov 2015

You can allow perfectly free, open discussions on various M$M sites, but the wires that the discussions go through are controlled by the broadcast entities.

I know everyone will say that the people will notice "drop-outs" when an interesting tidbit is about to be said. However, the tinkering with the message will be a lot more subtle. There will be substitutions of content for the whole program, or segments. This tailoring might be done on a per-subscriber or location basis.

Don't think that I'm being paranoid or conspiratorial (but that's ok too). The content deliverers have already put in place very sophisticated throttling mechanisms. And it's not just bandwidth usage, it's packet headers and packet contents.

... Let me know if you didn't receive this ...

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
11. Yeo. One more reason i don't trust Team Cinton on this.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 01:28 PM
Nov 2015

That was perhaps the worst atrocity inflicted on the media and communications system since Marconi set off his little spark.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
18. HRC channeling Sgt. Schultz:I know nozzing! nozzing! about that.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 02:37 PM
Nov 2015

Last edited Mon Nov 2, 2015, 07:35 PM - Edit history (1)

She saw nothing! She knew nothing! she was not there! she did not even get up that morning!

And by tomorrow - She never supported that. In fact, she warned against it!

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
14. I'm sure they're doing if for purely altruistic reasons. Like getting the money out of politics.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 01:56 PM
Nov 2015

And, Hillary is accepting the money for purely altruistic reasons.

Or...something.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
19. Are you complaining or jealous?
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 02:48 PM
Nov 2015

Hillary didn't make the rules, no? Nor does she control who supports her. If I had any interest that might be affected by the government, I would certainly give money to the favorite.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
22. Wrong again.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:04 PM
Nov 2015

I can hope for a unicorn, but I choose not to. Instead, I weigh my options and decide from there. I will say it again as I have for a long time, I love Bernie. I am going to vote for Hillary.

Do I want to change Citizens United? Yeah, I do. But you do realize that it was cleared in the Supreme Court and it would take a Constitutional Amendment or a two judge change in the court to overturn it right?

Could you please outline for me your strategy? What do you have up your sleeve?

I get it, the Clintons are political animals. No shit. That is the game.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
33. What do I have up my sleeve?
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:38 PM
Nov 2015

An arm that pulls the proverbial lever. An arm that drives the elderly folks in my neighborhood to the polls. An arm that shakes the hands of people after I have discussed why Bernie Sanders is who we need as our leader.

My arm does not draw back in a fist. It reaches out to give a helping hand. It's high time that this country stopped using its fists and instead embraces us, the people that live under the auspices of it.

The governance of my nation is not a game. It is absolutely serious business to me.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
43. You sound like a very kind sort.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:45 PM
Nov 2015

I will slip away without further confrontation. I like Bernie too.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
23. Who am I to complain about The Oligarchy?
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:06 PM
Nov 2015

I should know my place, as one of the Little People and STFU.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
48. Your words, not mine.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:53 PM
Nov 2015

What's the big plan? How are you going to make all those things happen inside of our governmental structure? Is Bernie going to coattail a filibuster proof Senate and a new House majority? I don't think so, do you?

Some of us are just trying to move the ship, incrementally. It is big and unwieldy. But we don't want to turn back the other way and if we blow this we will not only go the other way, we will get whiplash. You Bernie supporters are so mad at us and why? Because we don't believe that we can turn the ship on a dime? We cannot.

For the record, I like Bernie too.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
52. Bernie's coat-tails will be much longer & wider than Hillary's
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 05:01 PM
Nov 2015

look no further than Vermont, where he regularly gets 21-25% of the GOP vote, from
people who KNOW him, and TRUST him.

Just try to find that many Republicans ANYWHERE who feel that way about Hillary.

Not to mention the huge numbers of Independents an otherwise disaffected voters who
are turning out for Bernie.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
27. Kicked and recommended!
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:12 PM
Nov 2015

I don't know what this tells you. I only know what it tells me.

We had better support Bernie Sanders.

There is no alternative.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
30. Lobbiest are raising money for the person who is looking most likely to be the next President
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:18 PM
Nov 2015

by just about all accepted methods of polling?



Why, that surely has never happened.. in the history.. of any presidential election!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
34. And there you have it.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:40 PM
Nov 2015

More of the haughty authority that the little people don't matter.

Yet another problem with the approach Hillary Clinton's campaign has taken thus far.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
35. The "little people" support Hillary. In fact, the VAST majority
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:02 PM
Nov 2015

of people support her. Most people do NOT want Sanders as president.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
58. Yes, the very same M$M raising cash for Hillary, have many Little People sleep-walking into oblivion
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 05:40 PM
Nov 2015

about ready to vote totally against their own self-interest, because of the kind of crap
CNN pulled with the debate, pulling down any and all information they could (including
of course their own) that admitted the clear winner of the debate -- according to viewers --
was Bernie.

The M$M is of course getting better and better at their dark art of mass deception. No
argument there. Practice makes perfect.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
66. Ah, yes, everyone is just a stupid sheep.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 06:53 PM
Nov 2015

Except, of course, the Enlightened Sanders fans.

Actually, Hillary Clinton has fought for the poor and middle class of this country for decades, whereas Sanders has next to nothing under his belt in terms of real accomplishments. That's why until he started running for president, the vast majority of people had no idea who the hell he was: he didn't do anything. Even today, most people's reaction to hearing his name is either "Who?" or "Meh."

Hillary Clinton won the debate decisively according to every scientific poll taken. And, no, Internet polls are not scientific. They are garbage at predicting anything. They mean less than nothing. That's why nobody except Sanders' own fans took them seriously. Dennis Kucinich crushed Internet polls. So did Ron Paul. I remember outraged right-wingers howling because Facebook and Reddit overwhelmingly supported Paul, so clearly he was going to crush everyone in the elections! Except, that's not how it worked out. Because Internet polls, as I said, are garbage.

When Sanders loses, I'm sure the excuses from his fans will come fast and furious. It was the media! It was the corporations! It was sabotage by Hillary and her henchmen! It was everyone and everything but the candidate himself.

Sanders, by the way, is a selfish hypocrite who has spent years attacking the Democratic Party, refusing to join or help get other Democratic elected. But when he decides he wants to be president, then joining the party is A-OK by him! Hillary has spent years raising money for Democrats and helping to elect Democrats. Sanders has done what to help the party, except cast votes he would have casted anyway?

Face it: Sanders is losing because people don't like him, they don't want him to be our nominee, and they don't want him to be president.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
69. Calling Bernie a "selfish hypocrite"? Just wow. That may be a new low on the ugly curve, congrats. -nt-
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 06:58 PM
Nov 2015

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
72. It's a statement of fact.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 07:20 PM
Nov 2015

I cannot think of more accurate terms to describe spending years attacking the Democratic party from the outside, only to join it when you decide to want to be President.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
92. Obama campaigned for Bernie, Bernie caucuses with Democrats 100% of the time,
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:25 PM
Nov 2015

Bernie is in this race, running as a Democrat, because otherwise he'd be attacked for
being a "spoiler" <- some Clintonistas still call him that, despite his obvious affinity for
Democrats over Republicans, across the board, for decades.

But don't let these inconvenient facts interrupt your obvious delight in spewing nonsensical
slurs about "Bernie hating Democrats".


NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
93. So he's voting the way he would have anyway.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:40 PM
Nov 2015

That's not exactly something to applaud.

You make my point when you say Obama campaigned for him. So, Democrats and the Democratic Party have been supporting Sanders -- financially and in his campaigns. Where is the reciprocity? How much has Sanders done for other Democrats other than, as I said, voting how he would have voted anyway?

Not running as an independent is the very LEAST he could do after all the support he's been given.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
94. I've already answered your silly insinuations, to deaf ears apparently.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:49 PM
Nov 2015

Look. We obviously a) disagree, b) are not about to change each others opinion.

I think this is where we agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
96. That's why our 6 media conglomerates love her so much!
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:53 PM
Nov 2015

She's been a true warrior for the other 99%!

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
38. Perhaps you should be questioning why Bernie puts the unwarranted burdon of his campaign costs on
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:23 PM
Nov 2015

the same middle class he purports to be the guardian of? That is, if you really are more concerned with the "little people" (your words, not mine).

He flat out refuses the lobby or corporate money that he could get.. with no strings attached at all.. just to prove a pointless point shifting the entire financial burden of his campaign onto the middle class. To me, it would make more sense to accept it, but make it absolutely clear that they may donate, but it will not sway his positions or his veto pen at all. Seems both pompous and selfishe.

And please stow your hyperbole. Absolutely nowhere in my post do I even mention "little people" much less infer in any way shape or form that they don't matter.

In closing, thank you much for your high opinion of me, but rest assured, I am in no way, shape, or form the voice of the Hillary Clinton campaign, so I hardly see where my words dictates her campaign's "approach".

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
40. Yes. Let's blame Bernie for running a clean campaign & refusing to be bought. Makes total sense.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:35 PM
Nov 2015

Well, not really, but don't let clear thinking, reason or common sense get in your way.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
41. makes every bit as much sense for blaming Hillary for running her campaign donations
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:39 PM
Nov 2015

the way they've been run by every president, and likely every presidential hopeful for at least the last hundred years somehow magically makes her a lessor or "bought" candidate.

The foolishness didn't start here.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
50. Totally NOT true, why are you making shit up?
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:57 PM
Nov 2015

A) we haven't had Citizens United campaign cash-gluts, EVER, in the past "100 years", not since recent SCOTUS decision.
B) there was a time - back in the day -- when public financing of campaigns was a very popular progressive idea, that
just didn't quite get enough traction to become the law of the land before, roughly, the Reagan years,.
C) the popularity of public financing of campaigns was precisely because the public understands the corrupting influence of "buying politicians" .. a notion which you seem completely ignorant of.

I'll leave it there, for brevity's sake.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
44. Did you seriously just write that??
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:47 PM
Nov 2015

Attacking Bernie because he relies on small donations? OMG.

You are conforming to what those lobbyists and power brokers want - you fell in line and are parroting their words like a good little soldier.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
51. I think this is a new one, in HRC's arsenal of BS attacks.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:59 PM
Nov 2015

and perhaps a new low, if that's possible

Response to Avalux (Reply #44)

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
57. You can repeat your admittedly bull-shit argument until the cows come home
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 05:32 PM
Nov 2015

it will not detract one whit from the truth of the statement that Hillary is bought & paid for, by
the Oligarchy
, not one whit. Hell, the Clintons don't just represent the 1%, they ARE well
up into the 1%, wealth & income-wise.

From the linked article:

Fundraising disclosures released this month and in July reveal that lobbyists for media companies are raising big money for establishment presidential candidates, particularly Hillary Clinton.


So keep trotting out your self-proclaimed bullshit. It only makes you look ridiculous.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
62. Ouch. That's gonna hurt....Not really
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 05:57 PM
Nov 2015

No one is holding a gun to the head of anyone and saying you MUST contribute to Bernie Sanders. Nor is Bernie saying or implying, "Give your your money of you want my support if I am elected."

People will contribute of they want to because they support his agenda and believe he is the best candidate. Or not.

Bernie is not going to reward them with individual pieces of legislation or actions. Instead he will be beholden to the collective interests of average people, regardless of whether an individual contributes to him or not.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. THis is comedy, right? No strings attached?
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:52 PM
Nov 2015

I kinda think I'd rather a candidate be beholden to the collective small contributions of many supporters who are not looking to jack the rules for personal/corporate favors.

Do you have ANY clue what is at stake in telecommunications issues in the coming years? That whomever is the chief executive will have a major role in determine how we communicate as a society? Amd whether the information infrastructure is treated as a public necessity or a private commodity?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
45. And that doesn't bother you at all?
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:47 PM
Nov 2015

Gosh they're not going to expect annnnny payback for their generous support.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
95. How dare anyone point out that clear conflict of interest and its corrosive effects
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:49 PM
Nov 2015

on our so-called democracy!

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
42. This makes me sad, and angry.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:44 PM
Nov 2015

It's the way our system works though; it doesn't matter what's best for the majority of us, those with the money and power chose what's best for them, then 'persuade' the rest of us to conform.

Our political system is a joke.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
46. It's stuff like this
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 04:49 PM
Nov 2015

that makes me spend more time with History or History2 Channels hoping that "they" come soon....if they ever intend to come at all.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
60. Telecommunictions Reform pushed and signed by Bill Clinton
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 05:50 PM
Nov 2015

Allowed a handful of media corporations to buy up almost unlimited media providers. Where once there were many owners of different channels it is not only a few owners, and most of them have subsequently turned once good channels into lowest common denominator crap.

A nutshell version.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
67. Thank you for connecting those dots It is darkly fascinating to track over the decades ..
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 06:53 PM
Nov 2015

how some of the very policies pushed on Bill's watch, bleed into Hillary's current campaign.

War on drugs, mass incarceration, deregulation, anti-labor "trade" deals, etc. the tendrils
of Oligarchy-unchained around the neck of We the People.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
79. It wasn't a coincidence in how the personalities of characters were designed
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:04 AM
Nov 2015

Though the craven desperation for power is a trope that goes back far further than the Clintons.

appalachiablue

(41,128 posts)
73. The 1996 Tecomm Act deregulated the MEDIA, broke it up. Exisiting rules were lifted and
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 09:17 PM
Nov 2015

loosened. For example, previously one media company could not own every newspaper, radio and TV station in a city or area. The changes since 1996 have allowed companies to buy up, merge and consolidate with other companies, with little restriction so we've seen the rise of fewer, but larger giant media companies/conglomerates, very similar to monopolies.
Since 2012, one company ('Clear', I believe) owns 1,200 radio stations in the US now. So we're getting the point of view and politics of ONE OWNER and board of directors, instead of 20 OWNERS.

It's similar to the way the BANKS were deregulated in 1999 with the Graham-Leach-Bliley Act. And as a result many smaller banks were swallowed up or put out of business by the 5-6 major Big Banks that we have now.
Airlines, drugstores and health insurance companies have been consolidating to where we will only have 3-4 choices soon. Eg, Walgreens is buying Rite Aide now. It's unregulated, runaway 'free market' capitalism= Monopolies- Eat or Be Eaten mentality.

CHART Below: In 1983, there were about *50 large media owners who controlled 90% of what we see on TV, read in newspapers and magazines, and hear on radio. As of 2011, there are *6 mega media conglomerates that control 90% of what we read, hear and see in the US. (Below substitute *COMCAST for GE).
TV Channels like Arts & Entertainment/A & E, The Learning Channel/TLC, Bravo and others decided in the 2000s to use only Initials and to change their content, from real culture and entertainment like foreign films, Biography, etc. to running popular reality TV shows like Duck Dynasty, Sister Wives.

TexasTowelie

(112,128 posts)
71. The statistic about appearances and mentions during the beginning of the year is meaningless.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 07:02 PM
Nov 2015

The Republicans were the guests on probably over 90% of the MTP shows in the last few years and Hillary was considered as their likely adversary during that time so yes they are going to mention her.

Bernie appeared on the show in September 2014, May, July, August and October. Meanwhile, I believe Hillary has only been on the show once (September). I think it is a giant leap to make any conclusions about media bias based upon the first 17 episodes of this year, particularly since Bernie did not announce his candidacy until April.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
75. You'd almost think that potential profits were involved
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:21 PM
Nov 2015

And that one candidate would spend more on TV ad time than the other. And there's the little matter of paying more in taxes to consider.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
101. And of allowing more mergers and then finally selling off every possible means
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:04 PM
Nov 2015

of communication to become wholly owned corporate assets with zero regulation other than the "free market."

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
76. Good for them, they know she is qualified for the office. I give money to her campaign also, I have
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:28 PM
Nov 2015

Confidence in her ability.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
91. Yes, the top 1% should have all the confidence in the world that she will continue
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:19 PM
Nov 2015

to govern for them.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
104. I am on the opposite end, I have confidence she will continue to serve us. I don't have confidence
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 04:01 PM
Nov 2015

Sanders will be able to get much of his issues on the floor of congress and less confidence he has a plan to pay for his programs.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
80. CNN was running ads against Bernie on Facebook
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:06 AM
Nov 2015

The corporate media is in the tank for the corporate candidate.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
86. I think they are excited about the potential for constant attacks should she be elected.
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 11:28 AM
Nov 2015

Good for ratings. Or maybe they are just in her and Bill's circle of friends.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
106. Obama told Hillary to 'stop playing the victim' years ago.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 06:14 PM
Nov 2015

Enough about poor Hillary being 'picked on' mercilessly by the M$M. Though their may be
a kernel of truth to it, she also brings a lot of it on herself; and the media can't help themselves
when she hands them a story on a silver platter.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
90. Clearly one of the top 10 things wrong with American "democracy"
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:17 PM
Nov 2015

When are we going to say, "enough is enough"?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
97. Deleting their own polls to protect Hillary from a huge embarrassent. Knew there had to be a reason
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 02:54 PM
Nov 2015

for that. It was unprecedented, now we have the answer.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
100. Yep. Hillary's corporatist BIG donor base is pulling out ALL the stops.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:04 PM
Nov 2015

But, the good news is, the more light we can shed on that, the more voters can
cast a truly informed vote, to vote in their own self-interest for a change.

Like this clever experiment these young folk did on the DC mall.



Thanks for weighing in Sabrina1.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
103. That's cool! Young people are doing some really great and creative things.
Wed Nov 4, 2015, 03:08 PM
Nov 2015

No problem 99, the more info we have, the more we share it, the better off this country will be.

Thanks for the OP.

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