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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:39 AM Nov 2015

Will the Media Again Rush to Declare Clinton the Winner of Tonight’s Democratic Forum?

Last edited Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:15 AM - Edit history (1)

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The article is an excellent history lesson, not only because of the history it reminds us of, but because it applies that history in a way that teaches an important lesson about current events.

Will the Media Again Rush to Declare Clinton the Winner of Tonight’s Democratic Forum?

Why TV’s talking heads discount Bernie Sanders


BY JOEL BLEIFUSS

Sanders won the October 13 Democratic debate hands down, according to every major debate focus group. Yet that was not the conclusion of the media elites ,who declared Hillary Clinton the victor.
In his inaugural editorial for the first issue of In These Times, in November 1976, Editor & Publisher James Weinstein wrote:

Corporate capitalism, this society’s system of property, investment, resource- and labor-allocation, is a political taboo. … It is [the major parties’] job to keep corporate capitalism out of—“above”—politics, just as it was the job of the pre-Civil War Whig and Democratic Parties to keep slavery out of politics. They failed then because determined people brought the reality of slave power into the electoral arena, giving birth to the Republican Party.


So who are the “determined people” of today taking “the great issue of our time” and putting it “into the electoral arena”? In These Times readers like Bernie Sanders, who during the Democratic debate was questioned by Anderson Cooper about his views on capitalism and answered thusly:

Do I consider myself part of the casino capitalist process by which so few have so much and so many have so little? By which Wall Street’s greed and recklessness wrecked this economy? No, I don’t. I believe in a society where all people do well.


That message resonates. On October 13, Sanders won the Democratic debate hands down, according to every major debate focus group. Yet that was not the conclusion of the media elites, who declared Hillary Clinton the victor...

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18565/the-media-rush-to-declare-clinton-the-victor
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Will the Media Again Rush to Declare Clinton the Winner of Tonight’s Democratic Forum? (Original Post) kristopher Nov 2015 OP
It'll probably take the weekend JackInGreen Nov 2015 #1
'operatives' Dem2 Nov 2015 #3
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #5
Why thank you for the warm welcome. Dem2 Nov 2015 #8
Hillary won the debate, I liked Bernie more in the Forum Dem2 Nov 2015 #2
Well Duh - HRC Is The Establishment Candidate - The Establishment Can Never Admit A Wrong cantbeserious Nov 2015 #4
There are no "winners" in forums. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #6
Ah, the new meme. NV Whino Nov 2015 #12
It's a fact. Debates have winners and losers. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #13
It was a series of 40-minute individual interviews frazzled Nov 2015 #7
The Daily Second-Place Sanders Outrage Machine must be fed something. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #10
Pretty sure you missed the point of the article... kristopher Nov 2015 #11
The talk panel following the forum on MSNBC felt Bernie won the night. eom NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #9

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
1. It'll probably take the weekend
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:42 AM
Nov 2015

For the media to get in full swing, but we're already seeing it a little from her operatives here. A few more for my ignore list.

Response to Dem2 (Reply #3)

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
2. Hillary won the debate, I liked Bernie more in the Forum
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:44 AM
Nov 2015

Just MY humble opinion, I could care less what narrative one is pedaling.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
6. There are no "winners" in forums.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 10:51 AM
Nov 2015

Candidates do not go head to head in a forum, thus there are no "winners".

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
13. It's a fact. Debates have winners and losers.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:50 AM
Nov 2015

The function of forums is to present candidates. Since candidates do not go head to head, there can be no winner or loser.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
7. It was a series of 40-minute individual interviews
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:00 AM
Nov 2015

in which the candidates weren't on the stage at the same time and weren't even questioned on the same topics. So how could there be a "winner."

Essentially, it was a TV special on one cable news network. The papers and news media aren't going to cover it at all.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
10. The Daily Second-Place Sanders Outrage Machine must be fed something.
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:10 AM
Nov 2015

I wonder what the on-lines polls are saying who won a "forum" where no two were together at the same time!??

This is America....we all want to know who won and who lost and the score if possible!

What issues were discussed and how were the candidates different on those issues is what Sanders would say is the main thing.

How can you say picking winners and losers based on "performance" is important and definable, but at the same time say only the issues matter and no one knows what "Presidential" means??

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
11. Pretty sure you missed the point of the article...
Sat Nov 7, 2015, 11:10 AM
Nov 2015

As for whether there can be a "winner" in a forum format I'll just say that people are watching a political race, and this forum was one leg in that race. As such it is natural to seek consensus on who performed in a manner than most favored their overall effort.
And I'm pretty sure that in the English language, we refer to the person doing that as being 'the winner'.

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