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Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:45 PM

Sanders is "blasting" the media for calling out Carson for his lies about his life.

He believes the media should only be considering Carson's policies, not his lies.

I disagree. Much of Carson's biography is made up crap, and that is very relevant to his qualifications to being President of the United States. It isn't only about policy.

The book containing all the lies is recent -- not 30 or 40 years ago. And it says something significant about the man. So does the ridiculous temple to himself that he lives in.

And why does Sanders now say that the Hillary email situation reflects on her character -- but he doesn't appear to care about what Carson's lies say about HIS character?

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Sanders thinks everything should be focused on policy , but voters instinctively understand that character is just as important. When a President is elected, no one can predict all the events that can happen in the next four years -- or what policies or policy changes might prove to be necessary. We have to rely on having a President who is trustworthy. Carson is NOT such a man and no one should help him pretend that he might be, including Sanders. It isn't all about Carson's policies. It's also about who he is as a human being.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-ben-carson-story_563fafaee4b0411d307169b6

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) called out the media on Sunday for scrutinizing GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson's personal story, thereby diverting attention away from his policy positions.

“I think it might be a better idea, I know it's a crazy idea, but maybe we focus on the issues impacting the American people and what candidates are saying, rather than just spending so much time exploring their lives of 30 or 40 years ago,” Sanders, who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “And I think the reason that so many people are turned off to the political process has a lot to do with the fact that we're not talking about the real issues impacting real people.”

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Reply Sanders is "blasting" the media for calling out Carson for his lies about his life. (Original post)
pnwmom Nov 2015 OP
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pnwmom Nov 2015 #3
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Autumn Nov 2015 #10
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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:47 PM

1. That link doesn't lead to that story

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Response to JackInGreen (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:48 PM

2. It works on my end

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Response to JackInGreen (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:48 PM

3. It does when I click on it.

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Response to JackInGreen (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:17 PM

64. Another article. Maybe this link will work.

Bernie Sanders: Media Scrutiny of Ben Carson Is Why People Hate Politics


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bernie-sanders-media-scrutiny-of-ben-carson-is-why-people-hate-politics/

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:48 PM

4. You guys didn't mind it when he blasted the media for its obsessive focus on Hillary's emails.

Bernie is issues driven, he always has been.

I guess this is the latest poutrage but it too shall pass.



In case you have amnesia about how Bernie feels about the media:


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:52 PM

10. They don't get that the media should focus on the issues, not the person.

If the media would focus on the issues then the character of the politicians becomes clear. Another day another poutrage.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:24 PM

68. They WANT media to avoid the issues because that's where Clinton is weakest.

 

Clear as day.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #68)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:33 PM

74. They want everyone to focus on Carson's lies instead of hers.

Anything to avoid discussing the issues.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #74)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:52 PM

79. Kind of like the media focused on the lies about Hillary's email's relevance to Bengazi...

 

... which I believe was an INTENTIONAL tactic on the corporate media's part to distract us from the more valid criticism of a question as to WHY Hillary Clinton (and for that matter so many Republicans as well) feel they need to PRIVATIZE the emails they do in service of our country. It takes away accountability for us all to know what is going on, and puts at risk any security issues that might have been "privatized" in the process, which may or may not have happened (and Republicans are trying to make that Bengazi BS fit in to that picture).

If a high level manager in the corporate world directed their staff to have their business email rerouted to a home-based server they had to escape management scrutiny of what they were talking about in their jobs of a corporation, you know they would be FIRED for doing such a thing.

The question is why do we have people in government not feeling accountable for that decision. I think we are at least owed an explanation for why that was done. I could think of many reasons that a well thinking politician might feel that this was needed if they knew of security breaches, etc. in government run infrastructure to do their job effectively and allow those that might want to work against them doing their jobs to have access to mail content they shouldn't. If that was the motivation for what she did, she I think even now would be better served by offering that explanation to the public, and what she did to try and get our email infrastructure fixed to deal with such problems. But we aren't hearing that, so some other explanation perhaps she doesn't want us to hear is what so many speculate were her motivations for doing so.

By the corporate media focusing on the Bengazi side of the emails, if nothing wrong is found happening there (which is likely given the Republicans itch to stir up a pot that has a lot of BS in it), they basically had two outcomes as potentially happen. That Clinton gets sunk and Republicans get empowered if they were right, or Hilary Clinton gets empowered if they were wrong (and not any populist serving outcomes happening with that focus).

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Response to cascadiance (Reply #79)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:55 PM

80. That's a really good point, and one I think Bernie tried to make as well.

By focusing on fake scandals we are not addressing the very real problems with our system.

After what the media did to Hillary you'd think that her supporters would understand what Bernie is saying but nope, they're just playing the part of "useful idiot" by using this non-issue to attack him.


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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:53 PM

13. We know how he feels about the media

There are days when I don't blame him. On the other hand, he can't complain about exposure for himself if he is constantly mad at the media.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:57 PM

18. He's not complaining about "exposure for himself".

This isn't about Bernie, it's about how the media turns every election into a circus.

If you're not angry too you're not paying attention.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:03 PM

39. Let me get this straight. You're advocating that the media not go after . . .

Carson's lies?

What do we care if the poll-leading repug candicate is exposed as a self-serving, egregious liar?

That happens to be the duty of the press, and it's one less right winger to worry about if you ask me.

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Response to brush (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:05 PM

44. Lol!



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #44)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:42 PM

76. O-k-a-a-a-a-a-y

But I'm in the camp of letting repug candidates self-destruct as their lies are exposed to voters by the press.

Hello! It's not . . . a-h-h-h-h, it's right on the tip of my tongue, it's not brain surgery.


Oh, the irony of that cliche.


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Response to brush (Reply #76)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:25 PM

92. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #92)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:17 PM

103. So says you.

If you have a point put it in writing instead of using someone else's cartoon.

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Response to brush (Reply #103)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:21 PM

107. Perhaps you didn't understand the strawman cartoon.

Maybe you should read it again.




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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #107)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:23 PM

108. Be clear!

Put it in writing so people know for sure what side of the issue you are on.

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Response to brush (Reply #108)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:25 PM

109. Sure, your use of a logical fallacy is all my fault.



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #109)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:33 PM

118. Again with the logical fallacy thing

I've been through this before with you and your favorite phrase.

No thanks.

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Response to brush (Reply #39)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:03 PM

81. Self-serving, egregious liar?

Hmmm...what other candidate was polled as being untrustworthy by a majority of the country?

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #81)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:11 PM

83. You can go there if you want . . .

but the OP is about whether Bernie, or any Dem for that matter, should inject himself/herself into a situation where a potential general election candidate from the other party is being exposed as a liar to the voters.

Being a "good guy" here is not called for. Carson is the opposition.

Just steer clear and let that sh_t happen.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #81)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:19 PM

90. Right? It's okay when they tar and feather Carson but Hillary is OFF LIMITS!!!

I love the double standard, when Bernie was defending Hillary from the media they were all like HELL YEAH!!!

But this attempt to focus on the issues means he's defending Carson's lies.



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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #90)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:47 PM

119. It's pretty simple. Let this repug self-destruct and lose votes with his lying

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:16 PM

89. Ah, but then he brought those emails back up as a valid issue. PICK A LANE

 

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #89)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:20 PM

91. The investigation is a valid issue, creating a scandal out of it isn't.

Bernie is consistent, maybe you should give it a try.


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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:50 PM

5. As if this would not be said if/when the media decides to dig through Hillary's last 20/30 or so

 

years. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:51 PM

7. If / when?

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:52 PM

9. The media has been digging through the Clintons' lives ever since they entered politics.

But apparently it's not okay to do this to Carson -- according to both Carson and Sanders.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:56 PM

15. I believe Bernie is against this being done to any politician. n/t

 

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Response to djean111 (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:00 PM

30. He's saying now that the email situation is an issue of character for Clinton.

But apparently it's not okay to discuss issues of character for Carson.

How come?

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Response to djean111 (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:02 PM

36. Ben fucking Carson???

Oh come on if Hillary was out in the press giving that fool cover, you'd be all over it!

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #9)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:06 PM

45. Interesting, vetting is part of the process for a presidential candidate. The Clintons has been

Vetted for years and now more enters into the campaign they will need this also. If Carson had made up so many tales and now he is pissed the stories are being checked out. Sorry Bubba, its your book. There will be more stories coming out about Sanders. It is all a part of the game.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #45)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:32 PM

73. Do you feel the same way about Hillary's lies?

I seem to recall one about coming under sniper fire...

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #73)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:51 PM

111. What about when Bernie said he would be a hypocrite if he ever joined the Democratic party???

That's a good one!!!!

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Response to Walk away (Reply #111)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:56 PM

112. How about her lying about why she supported DOMA and why she wanted to go to war with Iraq?

She wanted to deny lgbt people their rights for their own good and said that Saddam was helping Al Qaeda.

I wish I could laugh over those lies but they're not funny.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #112)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:21 PM

120. How about Bernie's claim to have "worked hard" supporting Barack Obama....

But no one else seems to remember him doing very much (although, working hard for Bernie might be sitting around the Senate taking credit for other people's work)



[link:http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/the-obama-campaign-remembers-2012-very-differently-from-bern#.sobmJ22BD|

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Response to Walk away (Reply #120)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:25 PM

121. You do realize that people died because of those lies, right?

And you're comparing it to something you can't remember?

Jesus Christ.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 11:55 PM

140. Where the hell have you been all these years...............

they been after her since she was first lady.........Hell the Republicans have pretty much "vetted" her .

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:51 PM

6. His policies are even weirder than his fictitious youth

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:52 PM

11. Well Sanders apparently has no problem with it..

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #11)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:56 PM

16. I realize you probably won't understand this...

 

but Bernie doesn't fling poop.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:58 PM

22. No he just flails wildly.....like this wiffle ball

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:52 PM

8. Good grief.. bernie's sticking up for carson's lies.. that is the "issue". wonder why?

Last edited Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Thank you, pnwmom.

Edit: to say "that is the issue."

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Response to Cha (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:57 PM

19. This move is really a head scratcher.

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Response to oasis (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:08 PM

51. Maybe bernie doesn't want them to focus on his wanting to primary President Obama in 2012 and

now saying on national tv that he "campaigned very hard for Obama"?

Bernie Sanders Says It Would Be A ‘Good Idea’ To Primary President Obama

"Let me just suggest this. I think there are millions of Americans who are deeply disappointed in the president; who believe that, with regard to Social Security and a number of other issues.. "

http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/07/22/277124/bernie-sanders-primary-obama/

"Confronted with his support for a progressive challenge to Obama in 2011, Sanders said Saturday he “campaigned very hard” for Obama in 2008 and 2012"


http://www.democraticunderground.com/110725870#post11

TheObamaDiary.com ‎@TheObamaDiary
Martin O’Malley: When PBO was running for re-election I was glad to stand up & support him - unlike Sen Sanders who wanted to primary him 👍🏼
3:33 PM - 6 Nov 2015 68 68 Retweets
58 58 likes

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/11/06/the-presidents-day-76/#comments

Thank you, Gov O'Malley for pointing that our.

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Response to Cha (Reply #51)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:13 PM

59. I see a debate issue shaping up. (eom)

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Response to Cha (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:01 PM

33. LMAO!

bernie's sticking up for carson's lies. wonder why?


ZOMGWTFBBQ???

It's a conspiracy!!1!


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Response to Cha (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:56 AM

127. Did you see the clip? Did you hear what he said? Sticking up for Carson?

 

He basally called him nasty and crazy because of his policies.

Has the media told you what Carson's real policies are? Not just that he's a conservative.

No they tell you eitehr the warm and fuzzy stuff or alternately some white liees he told about himself.

Ya know once in a while a candidate you don't support might actually be making a good point.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:53 PM

12. Blasting LOL.nt

 

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:54 PM

14. Not a wise move by Sanders. NOPE.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:59 PM

27. Actually no

 

Rule nunber one....if you opponent is committing suicide....dont try to stop them

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Response to Name removed (Reply #37)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:05 PM

42. Yes it is....whether you admit it or not...

 

Will he defend Trump next?

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Response to Name removed (Reply #54)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:10 PM

55. Oh "I" am the one out of touch....

 

That's rich...

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Response to Name removed (Reply #54)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:36 PM

114. . . . .

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Response to okasha (Reply #114)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:41 PM

122. Yet a jury didn't find that troll's comment hideworthy...

Fortunately for DU, MIRT didn't agree.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:07 PM

48. First, stop with your claim that Clinton stupporters do not care about issues. It makes you look

foolish. Second, politically Sanders should be concerned about the opposition and the type of people they have running for President.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #66)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:31 PM

72. Then I will leave you to your delusions.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #72)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 10:06 PM

117. One of them, apparently,

is that he can evade MIRT for more than a couple hours.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:09 PM

101. Bernie is plenty old enough to remember that Ronald Reagan got elected

in landslides, DESPITE his very public promises to end Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

People voted for nice-guy Ronnie anyway, apparently trusting Congress to rein him in.

Well, the current Congress won't rein a President/Doctor Ben Carson in.

Sanders has apparently forgotten that voters will vote for a perceived nice guy no matter what his policies are. I don't understand how Sanders could have forgotten this, but apparently he has. So we should remind Sanders: it's not all about issues. If it were, Reagan would NEVER have been elected.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:58 PM

23. Right! Because there is no alternative to Flinging Poop®

 

Policy is for wimps! Gotta fling that poo poo!

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #23)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:00 PM

31. I guess Bernie swats poo for Carson then...

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:04 PM

41. Sanders doesn't engage in negative campaigning

 

It's that simple.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:06 PM

46. But he will take poo for the opposition!

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #46)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:12 PM

56. People with integrity don't run dirty campaigns

 

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #56)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:13 PM

60. Who is doing that?

 

Did Hillary do this?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #60)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:16 PM

63. You are

 

YOU are decrying Sanders for not running a dirty campaign, AKA having integrity.

Thus it is safe to assume you apply the same standard to Hillary.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #63)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:18 PM

65. I dont run a campaign...do you?

 

And can I quote you the next time you talk smack anout HRC?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #65)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:22 PM

67. Rovian word salad

 

You are not a serious person. Have a good day.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #67)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:27 PM

69. I guess the answer is no...

 

I can't quote you then...that's what I thought!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:57 PM

20. Not a good move on Sanders' part IMO

Why wouldn't he want this lying narcissist exposed?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:57 PM

21. Get It Right Folks - The Media Is Being Blasted For Focusing On Personality Versus Policy

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:59 PM

25. His lying, self-serving,narcissistic personality is inextricably tied up with his inhumane policies.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:01 PM

32. Maybe So - However - All One Has To Know Is The Policies To Make A Judgement

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #32)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:05 PM

43. Most voters aren't DUers. They consider perceived character much more than they do

the finer points of issues. That's how someone like Ronald Reagan could get elected, even though he rode in on an unpopular platform of ending Social Security and Medicare.

Ronald Reagan wasn't popular because of his policies but because the majority of voters thought he was a nice guy.

I'm glad the media is exposing the fact that soft-spoken, mild-mannered, good-looking Carson is not a nice guy.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:07 PM

47. So Say You - Others See The World Much Differently

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:12 PM

57. Reagan won in a landslide despite his policies, not because of them. That's a fact.

His plan to end Medicare and Social Security got nowhere, but he got elected twice.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #57)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:13 PM

58. So Say You - Others See The World Much Differently

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #58)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:11 PM

84. Are you denying that Ronald Reagan was elected twice?

 

Or that his Medicare and Social Security policies failed?

If you see the world differently from that, then you live on Bullshit Mountain.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #84)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:16 PM

88. One Is Making An Issue Of Reagan

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #25)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:07 PM

49. Then we can address in regards to policy

But why just go for the cheap shot when there's a much better shot to take?

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:11 PM

85. How hard is it for people to understand a two part statement???

 

Bernie says over and over that

1) the media needs to focus less on sensationalism
AND
2) focus more on issues

The media and Clinton supporters ignore the second half . . . because they don't want to focus on issues.
It's done on purpose and its silly on the order of "I know you are but what am I?"

I like that Bernie applies the same ethos to Carson and Clinton- Their personal issues are not irrelevant but there are ALSO more important issues facing our country . . .

and they both Carson and Clinton will lose if we vote based on issues.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:58 PM

24. Maybe he's afraid he's next

 

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Response to scscholar (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 01:12 AM

141. This.

This, exactly. Starting with those lost years of his.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:59 PM

26. Hafta disagree with Bernie on that one.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:00 PM

28. Weird... I will say one thing, this isn't going to help him win a democratic nomination.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:00 PM

29. Oooh! Pathetic new meme! "Bernie is sticking up for Carson's lies!!!!" - NOT what Bernie is

 

talking about, at all. But y'all know that.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:02 PM

34. Dont hand the opponent a life line when they are drowning

 

Poor political skill.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:09 PM

53. Well said. That is what Sanders did this morning.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #53)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:15 PM

62. This is when you hand them an anvil not a lifeline

 

Bernie is naive politically

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #34)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:15 PM

87. Not really

sometimes you want them to stay there where they can be further barbecued.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:02 PM

35. I love the smell of desperation.


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Response to djean111 (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:02 PM

38. Then why does he say the claims about Hillary's emails are an appropriate

issue of "character" and yet he also says it isn't right to discuss issues related to Carson's character?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #38)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:13 PM

61. Sure seems like a double standard. nt

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Response to djean111 (Reply #29)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:03 PM

40. What if Hillary was out there throwing him life lines...

LOL the depths to which some go......

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:07 PM

50. This is Sanders' equivalent of a "Dean Scream"

 

I predict he drops at least five points in the polls within two weeks after this blunder.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #50)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:16 AM

137. Certainly among Democrats!

And Bernie had best be prepared to deal with the attacks the Rs will do on himself.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:09 PM

52. So you think it's better to forgo talking about the issues and instead have one candidate goosip

 

about the others full time, that's what you think is better? Saying it's better to talk about policy is blasting the press?

Here's the thing. Interview me about me, ask me about him or her and I'm going to say 'I'm sick of talking about it, what matters is policy' because that way my time remains about me and my ideas not about him, her, and their cray-cray.

You are used to snippy, gossipy politicians who grab at any bait offered them.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:29 PM

70. Hillary's supports are perplexed because Sanders has integrity?

 

They cannot comprehend the value of integrity? Wow.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:29 PM

71. I'm sorry, but I didn't notice him "blasting" anybody

He made a comment that the media should focus on policy rather than background, which is the truth.

How you ever manage to twist such a statement into an attack on Hillary Clinton is something I can't quite wrap my mind around. She should be very happy for the media to focus on her policies rather than her background, because there is a huge amount of nasty crap in there to be exploited by anyone who looks.

Her policies? Hard to attack them, they vary from day to day.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #71)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:48 PM

77. I didn't twist anything. I used the word used in the title of the article.

Which you obviously didn't read.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:41 PM

75. You would like him to blast Carson's lies but not Clinton's?

 

That doesn't seem fair. Bernie would like the media to stick only to issues. He's been consistent about that. It's really a reach to hate on him for this. You're trying too hard.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #75)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:50 PM

78. Bernie has not been consistent on that. Just this week he's been saying

that the email situation should be investigated and that it's an issue of character.

But he thinks we should ignore Carson's character. This isn't consistent at all.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #78)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:09 PM

82. I found that strange...

I get the standard "Focus on the issues" thing but Carson is beyond the pale. I member was trying to fight with me so much on it I forgot if he was defending Carson or not.

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Response to MrWendel (Reply #82)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:50 PM

96. Who would that member be, MrWendel?

And how was "he" defending Carson?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:14 PM

86. Bernie is wrong on this

 

We need to know if a politician finds a theocracy to be fine and dandy. We need to know if a politician creates creds to glean votes via lies.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:33 PM

93. But of course that's not what Bernie said

 

He criticized the media for failing to report that Ben Carson wants to abolish Medicare, among other reactionary policies.

He said the other stories will also be reported.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #93)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:41 PM

94. Reagan was a strong and very public advocate of ending Social Security and Medicare

and he got elected twice.

He was elected in landslides simply because people liked HIM. They trusted Congress to rein him in on the policy issues, if they ever listened to that at all.

Focusing on the issues, as Bernie wants, isn't enough. Too many voters make choices based on their surface impression of a candidate, and that is why this looney-tune is doing so well -- he's good looking, soft-spoken, and has an MD beside his name.

I'm glad the media is putting a spotlight on his lying character. Otherwise, I'm afraid we're looking at an African American Ronald Reagan.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #94)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:48 PM

95. Carson should be called out on that, but the title of the OP and the article are misleading.

 

Sanders did not "blast" the media for talking about those things.

He blasted them for ignoring other serious policy issues.




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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #95)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:55 PM

97. Reagan openly campaigned on getting rid of Social Security and Medicare

and he got elected in landslides.

Sanders, unlike many DUers, is old enough to remember that. How can he say that it isn't important to discuss Carson's despicable character along with his policies?

Hyping the fact that Carson is against Social Security and Medicare won't harm him much in the general election. Too many voters don't vote based on issues. They vote based on character, and general impressions, and they trust that no President will change things "too much."

But Carson could, if he lands in office with a GOP-controlled Congress.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #97)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:09 PM

100. True or False: "Reagan openly campaigned on getting rid of Social Security" ?

 

That's not what I just learned in 30 seconds of googling.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #100)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:18 PM

104. Then maybe you should have done another 30 seconds of googling.

I didn’t need to google because I was alive and paying attention during the Reagan years, and he had his own radio show and what he was saying was widely reported. But my 30 seconds of googling produced this:


http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1962reaganama


During a campaign debate between President Jimmy Carter (D-GA) and his Republican challenger, Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA), Carter lambasts Reagan for his decades-long opposition to Medicare (see 1962). “Governor Reagan, as a matter of fact, began his political career campaigning around this nation against Medicare,” Carter says. Reagan counters with what author Larry DeWitt calls “a deft quip and a blatant denial.” He says, “There you go again.” When the laughter subsides, Reagan continues: “When I opposed Medicare, there was another piece of legislation meeting the same problem before the Congress. I happened to favor the other piece of legislation and thought it would be better for the senior citizens and provide better care than the one that was finally passed. I was not opposing the principle of providing care for them. I was opposing one piece of legislation versus another.” Reagan is referring to a Republican alternative called “Bettercare” that was little more than a voluntary insurance program funded by Social Security. Carter also states that Reagan had, in his career, advocated making Social Security a voluntary program, which as Carter notes, “would, in effect, very quickly bankrupt it.” Reagan had frequently advocated such a position while supporting Senator Barry Goldwater’s 1964 presidential campaign, and as recently as 1975 during his unsuccessful primary campaign for the presidency, but Reagan now denies taking such a stance: “Now, again this statement that somehow I wanted to destroy it, and I just changed my tune, that I am for voluntary social security, which would mean the ruin of it, Mr. President, the voluntary thing that I suggested many years ago was that a young man, orphaned and raised by an aunt who died, his aunt was ineligible for Social Security insurance, because she was not his mother. And I suggested that if this was an insurance program, certainly the person who’s paying in should be able to name his own beneficiaries. And that’s the closest I’ve ever come to anything voluntary with Social Security.” Though Reagan’s claims are at odds with his previous positions, his denials go virtually unchallenged in the media.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:59 PM

98. Carson made it an issue by putting it in his book.

Its fair game.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:00 PM

99. I like it when Sanders talks policy rather than personalities.

Makes me feel like I live in a sensible country.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #99)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:20 PM

106. We live in a country that elected Ronald Reagan twice even though

he advocated getting rid of Medicare and Social Security.

So focusing on those issues alone isn't likely to spare us from the horror of a Ben Carson presidency.


http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a1962reaganama


During a campaign debate between President Jimmy Carter (D-GA) and his Republican challenger, Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA), Carter lambasts Reagan for his decades-long opposition to Medicare (see 1962). “Governor Reagan, as a matter of fact, began his political career campaigning around this nation against Medicare,” Carter says. Reagan counters with what author Larry DeWitt calls “a deft quip and a blatant denial.” He says, “There you go again.” When the laughter subsides, Reagan continues: “When I opposed Medicare, there was another piece of legislation meeting the same problem before the Congress. I happened to favor the other piece of legislation and thought it would be better for the senior citizens and provide better care than the one that was finally passed. I was not opposing the principle of providing care for them. I was opposing one piece of legislation versus another.” Reagan is referring to a Republican alternative called “Bettercare” that was little more than a voluntary insurance program funded by Social Security. Carter also states that Reagan had, in his career, advocated making Social Security a voluntary program, which as Carter notes, “would, in effect, very quickly bankrupt it.” Reagan had frequently advocated such a position while supporting Senator Barry Goldwater’s 1964 presidential campaign, and as recently as 1975 during his unsuccessful primary campaign for the presidency, but Reagan now denies taking such a stance: “Now, again this statement that somehow I wanted to destroy it, and I just changed my tune, that I am for voluntary social security, which would mean the ruin of it, Mr. President, the voluntary thing that I suggested many years ago was that a young man, orphaned and raised by an aunt who died, his aunt was ineligible for Social Security insurance, because she was not his mother. And I suggested that if this was an insurance program, certainly the person who’s paying in should be able to name his own beneficiaries. And that’s the closest I’ve ever come to anything voluntary with Social Security.” Though Reagan’s claims are at odds with his previous positions, his denials go virtually unchallenged in the media.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:10 PM

102. The media sucks.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:20 PM

105. Yeah. That was quite a blast.

 

Sanders is a wild man!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 08:40 PM

110. ben carson whining on mtp.. he's on the same page as bernie..

Oh boofuckinghoo.. the birther shite was not true but carson's Lies? Another story. Freaking dangerous sociopath.

Birther story 'not even close' to media scrutiny he faces

snip//

Ben Carson says the investigation and rumors into President Obama’s birth certificate are “not even close” to the media scrutiny that his GOP presidential campaign has faced.

“I have not seen that with anyone else,” Carson said in an interview broadcast on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday. “If you can show me where that’s happened with someone else, I will take that statement back.”

He then dismissed notions that Obama or President Bill Clinton faced comparable vetting in their respective campaigns.

Carson said the “biased media” are trying to take him down because he poses a “threat” to the “secular progressive movement.”

“I’m a very big threat because you know they can look at the polling data, they can tell that I’m the candidate who’s most likely to beat Hillary Clinton,” he said. “They see that and they worry.”

More..
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259494-carson-birther-story-not-even-close-to-media-scrutiny-he

bullshite, he'll take it back “If you can show me where that’s happened with someone else, I will take that statement back.”

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Response to Cha (Reply #110)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:54 PM

116. I don't know why it is but whenever I read a post of yours it always comes out like this:

 

"Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid.

Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid.

Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid.

Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid. Hillary Clinton is a liar. A shameless liar. And she thinks you are stupid.
"

I don't know why that happens. Do you know why that happens when I read your posts? I can read every word slowly, S-L-O-W-L-Y, and in my head it comes out like that, and always in Gilligan's voice. Why does that happen? Do you know why that happens? Odd. I don't know why it happens. You never posted anything like that did you? Maybe I read it and it made such an impression that now you're like Bob Denver to me... typecast into a role you'll never quite make it out of.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:16 PM

113. Sansers is wrong on this one.

I support Sanders, but to point out that a presidential candidate is a pathological liar IS the job of investigative journalism.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 09:53 PM

115. I can see his point about Carson

But the fact that he is so strenuously trying to put a narrative together after he has written a book that was made into a movie about his life, is a red flag. He deserves criticism and questioning.

I'm with Bernie 100% on Hillary's emails. I don't care what is in them, but the fact that she did not follow the standard protocol to the letter reveals a character flaw. I see it as the kind of thumb your nose at the rules arrogance that led to us having to go through an impeachment with her husband.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #115)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:49 PM

123. Of course, you can. Carson is not Hillary. nt

 

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #115)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:27 AM

125. She followed the standard protocol. There was no rule against her using the separate

system for non-classified materials. Non classified materials weren't allowed on the classified system; and the .gov system couldn't handle emails when she was traveling.

Sanders' point about Carson is inconsistent with his point this week about Hillary. For some reason he thinks it's fine to cast aspersions on her character, but not on Carson's. The only way to make sense of that is to realize he's just a typical politician, like everyone else.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 12:03 AM

124. Poor Ben Carson.. that's right, Bernie .. stick up for the LIES. That's why people fucking hate

politics.. because too many politicians lie their fucking heads off.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 01:36 AM

126. You're misconstruing what Sanders said...He says he meda ignores issues for trivia

 

And he's absolutely right.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:02 AM

128. Go get 'em BS! Call the media out for going after carson's lies.. Cover that shite up!

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Response to Cha (Reply #128)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:21 AM

129. Oopsie

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Response to shenmue (Reply #129)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:25 AM

130. .. hey you, shenmue~

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Response to Cha (Reply #130)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:29 AM

131. O hai

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Response to shenmue (Reply #131)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:34 AM

132. ..

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Response to Cha (Reply #128)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:17 AM

138. the media that is bought and paid for by the oligarchs!!!!1

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Response to treestar (Reply #138)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:34 AM

139. Ben Carson is an oligarch! why spare him and his lies?!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 02:52 AM

133. I think he's pointing out that

it would be no better if he were the most honest man in the world. The fact that he wants to abolish Medicare should be enough to reject him.

Would you rather have a man who could be absolutely trusted and vowed to dismantle out country as our president?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 03:13 AM

134. Carsons character is an issue

I would never vote for him anyway so it doesn't matter in my decision making but....one main factor I use when choosing who to vote for is what will they do when the thing happens that no one expects. It happens to almost every president. You have your agenda, all set to push forward and then bam!
I am going to vote for the person who I think is least likely to do something nuts. I want someone who grasps complex issues, puts their own prejudices and agenda aside and handle it to keep the country going.
So Carson having such a distorted sense of himself and reality comes into play. He's too unbalanced to be able to adjust his thinking to the situation, he distorts the situation to adjust to his perception of what is true and real. It's as valid a campaign issue as his policies.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 03:20 AM

135. That's actually kind of a weird stance to take. I don't get it. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Mon Nov 9, 2015, 06:12 AM

136. Well Bernie if you get our nomination

the Rs are going to go into everything about you. You'll only look like you are whining.

Carson is the most unqualified person to run for POTUS. Even Palin had been elected governor of a state.

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Response to treestar (Reply #136)

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:47 AM

142. Carson is just plain strange and needs to hole himself up in his

self-adoring house.

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