2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe BIG DIFFERENCE between Hillary & Bernie, that Clintonistas would rather not talk about
The BIG DIFFERENCE between Hillary and BernieBy EuroYankee * Tuesday Nov 10, 2015 * Kos
No one begrudged the Roosevelts their wealth, nor the Kennedys theirs. Even Mitt Romney was generally considered to have earned his fortune. And Donald Trump has become famous almost solely for his success as a businessman. In other words, they earned their money in the American way.
But the Clintons? They are simply Americas Political Family. They have never done anything else. And yet they have parlayed their political connections into a fortune of $55 million, and they travel in the same circles as the Trumps and the Bushes, etc.. Indeed, it is now widely known that the Clintons went to Trumps last wedding, and Trumps daughter Ivanka is best friends with Chelsea Clinton.
And this brings us to the Big Difference. Bernie Sanders is a true believer. He is motivated by a genuine desire to help people, to speak truth to power, and as he says so often in his speeches, he wants to use his political position to take on the billionaire class.
Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, has used her political positions and connections to become PART of that billionaire class.
And that is, I think, why people in the US dont like her. She literally embodies all that is wrong with the calcified, corrupt and money-driven political system that is running America today.
The Clintons and the Trumps are Good Friends
Please, please understand that the Clintons and the Trumps are all FRIENDS. Their children are BFFs and they swim in the same waters, go to the same restaurants, tan on the same beaches and all rendezvous at Marthas Vineyard, the Hamptons and so forth for recreation.
We need to break the grip of the ruling political elite and that is what Bernie Sanders wants to do. Make no mistake the Billionaire Class is a ruling elite in America, and it actually has its supporters among the American populace.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/10/1448117/-The-BIG-DIFFERENCE-between-Hillary-and-Bernie
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)When the Clintons and the Trumps do better, we all do better. They will create more jobs for all Americans. Greed is good.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)is all I have to say.....
Blue_Adept
(6,393 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)except that I DID add .. "that Clintonistas would rather not talk about" to the Kos title, fyi.
And your post illustrates that, choosing instead to snipe about use of caps.
Blue_Adept
(6,393 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)EOM
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JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)msongs
(67,361 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)And about which candidate has the courage and track record of taking on the billionaires.
But you know that already, huh.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)In the general election come next November 8.
That's the biggest difference. Vote your greatest wishes, for Bernie or whomever, in the primary, then move on with the job. Bernie'll undoubtedly be telling us all how he hopes we will do just that.
senz
(11,945 posts)is maintenance of the status quo with a few small crumbs thrown to "the masses." There is no way she will take on the corporatists, the oligarchy. There is no way she will even attempt to un-rig our very rigged system.
Try to be realistic, Hortensis.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)what you profess to believe.
senz
(11,945 posts)I've watched the Clintons generally, and Hillary specifically, since the early 1990s. He surprised and then shocked me in his acquiescence to tptb and the resulting harm to the American people. I began having second thoughts about her when she carpetbagged to NY in order to grab an easy Senate seat. But it was her conduct of the 2008 campaign that horrified me. And everything I've learned about her since then has filled in a disgusting, alarming picture of the kind of person she is.
Maybe you know something about her the rest of us don't know. If so, please tell us.
So far the best your compadres can do is: she belongs to the Democratic Party (very easy to do), she's better than a Republican (not much), and her and Bill's political power and money has half the Washington D.C. establishment either cowed by her or viewing her as a convenient tool. Oh, and she's a female.
In the meantime, the American people suffer and lose hope.
So again, tell us your wonderful inside story about Hillary.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Actions in the past are, for all of us, formed by the realities of that past. Our actions in the future will be formed by the realities of the future.
Maybe, step back, reevaluate, allow a little acknowledgement of what cannot be known to soften your assumptions about the future?
senz
(11,945 posts)If I just have enough faith, I too will see the soft glow around Hillary's head.
She exists somewhere we cannot see.
It's a place called ..."the future."
Forget about her past. She has no past.
She's out there now, waiting for us. All we have to do is ... believe ...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Obviously, people've been people for a very long time.