McClatchy-Marist Poll: Bernie Sanders DESTROYS both Trump and Bush in Landslides.

[99th_Monkey]

Coat-tails baby.

In new shock poll, Sanders has landslides over both Trump and Bush
By Brent Budowsky, columnist * The Hill * Nov. 11, 2015

In a new McClatchy-Marist poll, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads Republican candidate Donald Trump by a landslide margin of 12 percentage points, 53 to 41. In the McClatchy poll, Sanders also leads former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) by a landslide margin of 10 points, 51 to 41.

The huge Sanders advantage over Trump is not new. In the last four match-up polls between them reported by Real Clear Politics, Sanders defeated Trump by margins of 12, 9, 9 and 2 percentage points.

The huge Sanders advantage over Bush is new. In previous match-ups, the polling showed Sanders and Bush running virtually even, with Bush holding a 1-point lead over Sanders in most of the polls. Future polls will be needed to test whether the huge Sanders lead over Bush in the McClatchy poll will be repeated in future polling or whether the McClatchy poll is an outlier.

It is shocking that the data suggests that Sanders has a lead over Trump that could be SO HUGE that he would win a landslide victory in the presidential campaign, with margins that would almost certainly lead Democrats to regain control of the Senate and could help Democrats regain control of the House of Representative — if, of course, the three polls that show Sanders beating Trump by 9 to 12 points reflect final voting in the presidential election.

It would be equally shocking if future polling shows that the Sanders lead over Bush remains at landslide margins.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/259812-in-new-shock-poll-sanders-has-landslides-over-both

[grasswire]

1. why aren't there hundreds of recs for this news?

A LANDSLIDE.

The people are speaking. Bernie. Bernie. Bernie.

[99th_Monkey]

2. I'm doing my best.

I posted the link in Bernie Group, asked for recs.

let's get the word out, as this is an absolutely awesome development for Bernie.

[Codeine]

3. Clinton polls the same in that article.

The people are speaking. Hillary. Hillary. Hillary.

[99th_Monkey]

5. The poll destroys the canard that "Bernie can't win in the GE" <-- this

is what jumps out at me.

[Dustlawyer]

30. The flip side, using some Clinton supporters logic, they MUST vote for Bernie now because Hillary

cannot win. The most important thing is making sure a Democrat wins because of SCOTUS appointments! This is using the logic that countless Hillary supporters have told me is the reason why they want Hillary to beat Bernie, because she is the only one that can beat the republicans. Now the shoe is on the other foot!

While any of the 3 Dems are preferable over any clown car winner, their ability to win the General election is yuuuuge!

Feel the Bern!

[PaulaFarrell]

12. then they must also be saying Bernie. Bernie. Bernie.

[thesquanderer]

23. Maybe fewer recs because it had already been posted

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251794854

[klook]

69. Cool, thanks for the reminder.

I recced that one, too.

[roguevalley]

27. I'm reccing. :D I can't wait to see a poll that talks to those without landlines. :D

[JDPriestly]

31. It is a holiday for some people.

[Babel_17]

45. I only get to rec it once. :)

lol

[NCTraveler]

4. Great numbers for dems in that poll.

Clinton takes Trump by fourteen and Bush by eight. The party is strengthening and is only going to get stronger with the field we have put out.

[Happenstance24]

6. LMAO

So a guy who has been getting practically ZERO negative press since announcing is doing just as good as Hillary (Who has been decimated in the media the past 6 months) against the GOP and somehow that is a good thing? Really? Guess what happens when Bernie gets a barrage of negative ads and lies thrown his way?

[99th_Monkey]

9. "what happens when Bernie gets a barrage of negative ads and lies thrown his way?"

You mean like when David Brock's nasty attack ad backfired, to generate $1.2 Million for Bernie?

Well, if that's any indication, I think it answers your question.

When there's absolutely no truth involved in a hit piece, it's likely to backfire to help the candidate
being attacked. You can't compare Hillary to Bernie on this, because of all of Hillary's mis-steps,
flip-flops, and admitted "mistakes" over time, like voting for Iraq War, etc.

BTW- and I'm not making a big deal out of it, because I've always agreed with Bernie about Hillary's
"damned emails" being a huge distraction (and a RW talking point), but the FBI has just announced
it's still continuing to dig up stuff, so there's that outlier that could blow up in Team Hillary's face
during the GE, if she's the nominee.

[zeemike]

25. And practically zero press at all.

The TV hardly mentions him in the news...and when they do it is usually something negative like he can't win against Hillary.

But if you think Hillary has been attacked in the media you ain't seen nothing yet...wait until she has the nomination and the GOP puts some effort into it. And they have lot's of material to work with. Where as with Sanders they will have to make a bunch of shit up because he has not been in the executive branch before.

[JDPriestly]

33. The fact that Hillary attracts so much negative press may or may not be her fault, but it will

hurt her in a general election, fair or not.

Bernie has an advantage there. He just doesn't have the scandals (whether based on lies or truth) that Hillary has.

Since the 1990s, some of the ridiculous rumors about the Clintons have grabbed the attention and belief of even some people who are inclined to vote Democratic.

Hillary is not a sure thing in the general election. The public mind has been subtly turned against the Clintons and Hillary in particular for years and years.

Bernie is a better candidate for the general election. The machine against him is not as well prepared for battle. And he has a disarming personality which helps him.

[Bernblu]

63. Yes, I am surprised at my Republican friends and relatives say about Hillary

They despise her more than they despise Obama. Some have grudging respect for Bernie even though they disagree with him on the issues. I think the difference is that they believe Hillary is about her ambition alone and is part of the elite whereas they believe Bernie says what he actually believes and is not part of the elite. Most dismiss him a "socialist" or as a too left but a few are open to voting for Bernie against certain Republican candidates.

[merrily]

51. Zero negative press? In which universe?

[JDPriestly]

74. Mother Jones has an article and videos of Bernie as mayor of Burlington.

The first one shows Bernie's visit to the city's dump.

Watch it. And you will realize that it is going to be very difficult to throw negative ads at Bernie. He has always been about good government and caring for the people. That hasn't changed, and negative ads can easily be answered by the people of Vermont and the videos and pictures of Bernie always doing his job -- governing well and caring for the people without regard for his own interests.

Hard to throw negative ads at that. Bernie is not a guy who makes speeches for thousands and thousands of dollars a throw. Bernie is the guy who is voting in the Senate even while campaigning.

Negative ads will not be a problem for Bernie. He will meet them with the truth about who he is and what he has done in his life.

[Todays_Illusion]

7. This must be why there is a new anti-polling policy being pushed by conservatives.

Here is one: https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2015/11/how-pollsters-are-killing-the-conversation

[99th_Monkey]

10. Perhaps, but actually it isn't just RWers who are questioning our obsession with political polling

I just was reading this on AlterNet.

Obsessive Polling of Unrepresentative America Warps our Politics
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/obsessive-polling-unrepresentative-america-warps-our-politics

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Aaaah....BERNIE must be leading in all those polls, so now they're no good. n/t

[99th_Monkey]

21. Makes one wonder, huh. -nt-

[Todays_Illusion]

36. Yhat just proves my point Alternet was taken over by libertarians long ago that

talking point is straight from the very influential libertarian think tank AEI.org.


http://www.aei.org/publication/imagining-a-world-without-polls/

[WI_DEM]

8. I wonder how he and Hillary would do against Rubio? who I think will be the GOP

nominee.

[Betty Karlson]

11. My guess: Mrs. Clinton would win by a little,

and Mr. Sanders would win by a LOT.

(Just like he would against Trump and Bush.)

[Robbins]

15. I disagree

Like carson i feel GOP will never nominate a non-white at this time.

[Jester Messiah]

13. Like '08 all over again!

Feel the BERN baby!

[tecelote]

14. K&R!

[Dont call me Shirley]

16. Bern them!

[jalan48]

17. Bern, baby Bern.

[MissDeeds]

18. Go Bernie!

K&R

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Kicking for an extremely important poll!

Bernie is the only one who can beat the crazies!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[George II]

22. The same poll has Clinton defeating Trump by a BIGGER landslide, 15 points, and....

....Clinton beats all six republicans that they were matched up against, whereas Sanders only beats five (losing to Carson)

[99th_Monkey]

24. I think the indisputable point here is, that this poll destroys the "Bernie can't win the GE" canard

so often being used to try to intimidate and guilt-trip Bernie supporters into abandoning
Bernie Sanders to support the presumptuous 'inevitable' nominee, HRC.

[arcane1]

28. Exactly. It was a lie from the start, and they knew it n/t

[Enthusiast]

42. +1!

[Duckfan]

26. Absolutely

That's why I let this "Bernie Can't" nonsense go in one ear and out the other.

[Duval]

29. Super news!

The media is going to have to pay attention sooner or later. If all they do is disparage Bernie, may we all make phone calls or go to their websites to protest.

[99th_Monkey]

38. Yes it is great news indeed

.. and the M$M .. well, they won't be able to ignore him quite so well, once he starts winning
early primary states.

[reformist2]

32. The only thing blocking Bernie's path to the WH are the "Third Way" types who dominate the party.

[thirdchildhood]

86. Plus the fact that he doesn't advocate a war on economic terroists and asset seizure

Just letting them keep the money and get taxed more doesn't solve the wealth inequality problem

[AzDar]

34. That last paragraph is fucking yooooooge!!

Bernie!!

[abakan]

35. Oh, would this be so..

I hope we are not falling into a trap that will crush us primary night.

[red dog 1]

37. I hate to be a "party pooper" but,

how does Bernie do against Ben Carson?

Carson & Trump are now essentially tied for the lead among GOP candidates; so Bernie beating Trump & Bush means nothing if Ben Carson leads Bernie in the latest polls.

Hillary leads Trump in both North Carolina and Michigan, and is tied with Trump in Iowa.

From a U.S. News article 2 days ago:
"Some GOP operatives have privately griped that a Trump nomination essentially would grant Clinton a bye to the presidency and prove disastrous for Republicans down the ticket."

"Surprisingly, it's Carson who has shown to be the most threatening candidate to Clinton, with two national polls since October demonstrating he would vanquish her by double digits."
http://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2015/11/09/countdown-to-election-2016-the-state-of-play

I would like to know how well Bernie does against Carson; so if anyone has that answer, please post it.

[99th_Monkey]

39. Do you seriously think Carson would survive 10-minutes in a debate with Bernie Sanders?

I don't. Not for a second. For some obvious reasons, like Carson is a borderline idiot with
foot-in-mouth disease; and some less obvious reasons, like that much of Carson's votes are
from "ANYone but the Establishment" Republicans. Bernie gets 25% of GOP voters in his
home state to vote for HIM and NOT the GOP candidate, PLUS Bernie is both an 'insider' in
that he's been in DC for decades (so he kNOWS DC inside & out), yet he strongly appeals
as well as an 'outsider' NON-establishment candidate.

Bernie has a LOT going for him, maybe even more-so in the GE, than in the Primary.

As for this poll, I think it's take-away is it clearly illustrates that Bernie is very, very
competitive in the GE against most or all GOP candidates, winning with landslides that
could Blue-up the Senate and make huge gains in the House.

[pnwmom]

44. Yes -- the same way Ronald Reagan did against Dems who were far superior.

With geniality and a self-deprecating sense of humor.

The media would paint Carson as the sunny, hopeful candidate, and Sanders as the grump.

[Lochloosa]

83. I knew Ronald Reagan and Ben Carson is no Ronald Reagan.

not even close.

And, no I never met RR....but I knew him well.

[pnwmom]

85. I never met him but I saw him every day on TV for 8 years. And I watched

the media reaction to him.

I think they would fall all over themselves to worship a black Dr. Bennie.

[red dog 1]

48. Actually, I think Bernie would do very well in a debate with Carson

And, (although this may surprise you), I support Bernie, and have contributed to his campaign.

Also, I agree with you about Carson being a "borderline idiot"

But, the fact remains, Carson now has as much a chance of getting the GOP nomination as Trump does; so the polls' showing Bernie easily defeating Trump & Bush are meaningless
if (God forbid,) Carson becomes the GOP nominee.

[rhett o rick]

65. The Oligarchy won't let Carson win the nomination, period. They will ruin him if necessary.

The Republicons may be crazy, but the Oligarchy isn't and they won't let a loose canon, esp a black loose canon be their nominee. It will have to be someone that they can manipulate. Carson and Trump are distractions. Rubio and Bush get to hide under their desks until push comes to shove, then Trump and Carson will fade away.

[CoffeeCat]

73. I think they are ruining him right now...

...don't you agree?

Someone is doing their oppo-research and due diligence. It's flying at Carson like rocket-fire. It's certainly not any Democrats doing this. He's no threat to us.

It's the Republicans.

I think the Kochs have figured out who their "golden boy" is--the candidate that they can put their billions behind--and it's certainly not Carson. Walker was their guy, but that tanked. I think they've got their sights set on Rubio.

Carson is winning in Iowa. Iowa Republicans tend to pick religious nut-job candidates, and if Carson wins Iowa that will give him some bona fides, media attention and momentum going into the other states.

I think major Republican mucky mucks are attempting to destroy that.

[rhett o rick]

75. yes I agree. nm

[Eric J in MN]

40. Ben Carson 47%, Bernie Sanders 45%

Under Monday, November 9 at
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[red dog 1]

47. Thanks for that.

[Eric J in MN]

71. You're welcome. It's strange that the country is so evenly divided

...between a canddiate who wants a flat-tax and one who wants higher estate taxes.

[pnwmom]

43. It's strange that this poll didn't include Carson, since he's polling at the top

and Bush barely makes the grown up table.

[pnwmom]

57. I couldn't find Carson vs. Sanders. What was the result?

And welcome to Democratic Underground.

[pnwmom]

59. It's scary how well Carson is doing. I don't want him to be

the next Ronald Reagan -- except with a Rethug congress to do his bidding.

[Eric J in MN]

70. It did.

Look under Monday, November 9
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[merrily]

53. Yeah, you really hated posting that. However, Carson is on his way to oblivion, so it's irrelevant.

[Enthusiast]

41. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

[leftcoastmountains]

49. K&R

[Paka]

50. K&R

Early Bernie supporters knew from the start that he could win in the general. It's good to see the polls finally showing that. The hardest task for bernie was the primary. Let's make this happen.

GO BERNIE!

[WillyT]

54. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[youceyec]

55. and Hillary

Beats trump by 15.

[DCBob]

56. This is good news but doesnt really mean too much at this point in time.

Bernie is not considered the front runner so the Republicans and RW media has layed off of him and focused only on Hillary so far. If he would somehow miraculously become the front runner then the RW "Attack Dogs of Hell" would be unleashed on him and no doubt would have an impact. Hillary has already taken the brunt of their attacks and so far is handling it quite well. Im not sure Bernie would fare the same.

[moobu2]

60. They haven't attacked him 24/7 yet though because

everybody knows he cant win the primary.

[stupidicus]

61. but, but, he's unelectable, so this poll must be unscientific

or more far leftwing lunacy designed to cast a long and unnecessary shadow on the bright and chosen one.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

62. I believe TIME

is on Bernie's side. He has staying power.

K&R

[Feeling the Bern]

64. Go Bernie Go!

[YOHABLO]

67. I think the American public are so damn stupid about political science. They'll believe what they're

told. That is for most. I would imagine that most DUers are the most informed about our recent and not so recent state of political affairs. I'm not trusting of polls or any other pundit telling me ''what the American people think". My biggest concern is that people keep saying ''oh that Sanders guy, he's a socialist''. They don't even know what socialism is, or for that matter that socialism and capitalism can and does coincide. It does now, right here in the good ole capitalist U.S. of A. They just can't seem to wrap their little heads around it.

[lovemydog]

68. k & r

[Kalidurga]

76. He has to kick butt in the primaries first

And I believe he will.

[99th_Monkey]

77. How very sexist of you to say that

didn't you know that only women have butts?

[Kalidurga]

78. Well....

maybe only women have butts anyone cares about?

[99th_Monkey]

79. I don't know who could argue with that logic. nt

[fbc]

80. A Bernie Sanders candidacy would sweep democrats into office across the US

[billhicks76]

81. Gotta Watch Out For Rubio

He is clearly their only candidate besides Jeb and hopefully the Bush name is dirt by now.

[raouldukelives]

82. K&R nt

[Overseas]

84. K&R. Glad to hear it.