2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary truly is all powerful
She can even manipulate the space-time continuum to plant someone in a group at the U of Chicago, so that some fifty years later they cast doubt on Bernie.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)That's on the scale of the President's birth announcement in the newspaper. YUUUUGE! Genius!
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)does that mean that Hillary IS Dr. Doom?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)BainsBane
(53,012 posts)And really has this guy doing her dirty work?
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Cha
(296,848 posts)the Honolulu Newpaper for August 4, 1961.. knowing he'd need it one day when he was POTUS.. because ..inanity of birthers.
Anyway..
Thank you, BB.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Barack Hussein Obama would one day run for President of the United States of America.
Thats how it got into that gawd awful newspaper.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)I bet he took her back in the time machine to plant that photo
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I remember when I had a condo and my next door neighbor had one of those stainless steel DeLoreans. It was the first time in my life that I felt lust for a car, LOL! I wanted one sooo bad. But could never afford one...
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Boom! That is wonderful, Thinkingabout.
They do it at their peril!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Every wingnut has called her a wild eyed radical and a socialist/communist since the 1990s. The Democratic Party needs the elusive Red Panda vote to win in 2016.
But Patrick Stewart already uploaded his vote for her:
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)and why resistance is futile. If someone can change events 50 years in the past, they can control all of us.
Seriously, think about it a minute. If she is truly as powerful as some of her detractors claim, what's the point of even promoting another candidate?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)"We don't need no steenking resistors!"
freshwest
(53,661 posts)He was only 15 years old, pretty young to be recruited by the CIA, don't you think?
It must have been those special alien abilities...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)It all began with her 'It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us' socialist thing she pushed years ago. We all know she's still pushing this stuff!
Why do supporters deny her commie tendencies? And her defense of Saul Alinsky and class warfare, why is it hidden from the media? Will she send RWNJs to re-education camps?
The rightwingers KNOW how dangerous she is. This has always been why they hated her. Well, there was that little thing about her working with Democrats in Congress in 1974 to impeach Nixon.
That left a big mark, you know. The GOP knows her election will be TEOTWAWKI, Bain.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)she's my third choice in the primaries. I know it was 'long ago' and I know her explanation and I know a lot of others voted for that resolution. But most democrats did not. My congressman and one of my senators did not vote for it. At the time I remember having lunch with my dad the next day. He was disgusted by her cynical attempt to try to 'position herself' as being on the 'popular side' of the war for her first presidential campaign. Maybe it didn't 'make much difference' as some say, but I felt at the time as did a vocal minority of Americans that it was the wrong vote to take, from an ethical and moral standpoint and also in terms of our national security. I believe my dad was correct in that assessment, and a lot of others were as well.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)On the details of her "joining the marines" whopper. So hard to keep it all straight when you're flitting around the space time continuum...
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)I saw a garbled post alleging so, but it made absolutely no sense. Clinton says her pantsuit is blue and you all call her a liar. If Sanders is caught in one, people here either ignore it or pretend Clinton engineered some shapeshifting special power to substitute someone else for him in a photo and then "conveniently" (as one poster actually said) the guy died in 2006. But then again, logic is in on it with science as part of the Clintonian MSM conspiracy.
840high
(17,196 posts)and when she wanted to "join" Marines. All very clear.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)it's nice to see that her supporters are reduced to just making stuff up though.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)If my imagination were anywhere near this fertile, I'd be a best selling fiction writer. Sadly, I am left to merely observe what others invent.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)some might think the flaw lies in your interpretation of whatever was said as opposed to them seriously pleading the case you've alleged they are making.
Regardless, one madman does not a case against Bernie or his supporters make, so this is really little more than a post about what you want others to believe -- on the basis of your word alone -- about some unnamed Bernie supporter. I'm underwhelmed.
it looks like a victimless snark attack to me, unless you're wounded...lol
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)A majority.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)their response was basically a non-topical rhetorical question that left all the material it was a response to wholly unaddressed and unrebutted.
so, the attempted snark on the part of your pal snapped exactly what?
Of course there's always the possibility that the poor thing couldn't understand what it was they tried to respond to.
Again, how does that snap anything other than the credibility of your alleged "snapper"?
LuvLoogie
(6,913 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)that's what the polls would currently indicate, no?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)BainsBane
(53,012 posts)You apparently think yours are clever. I disagree. I think Cosmicone has us both beat.
You ought to be having words with the folks who are spreading the conspiracy theories. If they would keep to the reality-based world, there would be no need for posts like this.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)circuit as support for your post.
Breathtaking.
As to my posts, just 'em any way you want. For me, they're just catharsis, anything beyond that is gravy.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)We'll add electrical and electronics engineering to the exponentially-growing list of disciplines about which you know nothing whatsoever.
Sound good?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Just never be the ground, that's what I'd say.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I learned that the hard way. Perhaps it came to our interlocutor naturally.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Now you're @#$%ing with Kirchoff. Bad idea.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Probably 5-10 billion resistors in an i7-5960X. Not bad for a gimcrack.
What happened? Lose your ass on Radio Shack stock?
On edit: Ooops. Trillion. My bad.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But that first gif made me giggle. I'm a sucker for science humor.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)That the people at U of Chicago who say that Bernie wasn't a speaker at the event with the photo were put up to it by Hillary Clinton. The whole story questioning that Sanders may be a mere mortal and either be mistaken or told a fib is, we have been instructed, fruit of the Clintonian-Rovian conspiracy. It's the new version of Obama's mom supposedly planting his birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers 54 years ago. You know that old one. This is time traveling redux.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Nobody at UChicago is claiming Sanders was not involved in the sit-in. They just don't know for sure if the specific picture that UChicago has always had labeled as Sanders is in fact him or someone who looks uncannily similar.
Let me repeat: nobody doubts that Sanders was involved in, helps organize, and spoke at that specific protest. But the lies and twisting of fact continue.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Why sir, surely you speak in jest.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)It is quite blatant however.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)BainsBane
(53,012 posts)http://time.com/4108379/bernie-sanders-photo-civil-rights/?xid=tcoshare
It's only his official campaign photo proclaiming his great leadership in civil rights matters. Too bad it's not him. But naturally I must be a liar for daring to suggest that Sanders may be mortal, and such heresy cannot be permitted. Naturally I'm a liar since I do not display absolute and total deference for authority required of a true "progressive" who must never under any circumstances question elected officials. A true progressive obeys, prostrating themselves before the alter of a great man whose political ascendency trumps any and all issues or concerns lowly voters might raise. But yeah, call me a liar. That will show me for mouthing off, imagining I'm actually a citizen with the right to make public utterances recalling what I read in the press. How dare I.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Read carefully:
That the people at U of Chicago who say that Bernie wasn't a speaker at the event with the photo
Nobody you quoted above is saying Bernie wasn't a speaker at the event with the photo. They are saying he may not be the one pictured there. big difference.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)Using "a" instead of "the" clearly makes me a liar, whereas using photos of another person for campaign purposes is completely honest.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Even with the word 'the' it would still be misleading. He was (one of) the speaker(s) at the event; just possibly not the one in that photo. Again, nobody disputes this. Please do not spread untruths on DU.
I haven't seen him use that picture for campaign purposes. What I do know is that the University of Chicago has had the picture listed as him in their archives for decades, and journalists used it since it is a matter of record as being him.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)and you clearly haven't even bothered to read the article you're insisting I lied about,not even the brief excerpt I provided. It says the Sanders campaign uses the photo on its website. You make false claims directly contradicted and then insult me as a liar for talking about what the article actually said.
What is clear is that you are furious anyone question Sanders in anyway and that you will insult in an effort to discourage discussion in order to promote the career of one man, whose political fortunes clearly trump truth, issues, and the rights of a lowly voter such as myself. Unfortunately for you, you've happened on a campaign strategy that can only undermine support, as we have witnessed even on DU. You might be able to create an environment in which some are afraid to express their views for fear of being met with personal attacks, but you and your friends won't be with them in the voting booth when they make their decisions. The appearance of conformity is not agreement, but that it means so much to you and some others says a great deal.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Edit: i will grant you that the sanders campaign uses a picture that Uchicago has had him identified in for decades. I didn't mean to misrepresent the facts there, i only thought Maddow was the person who used it. Apologies.
However, your mistruth still is a mistruth
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riversedge
(70,084 posts)Curious as never heard form the camp yet. Has anyone??
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Source that it is? Rachel Maddow was the one who put it up on screen at the forum
I do know that the University of Chicago has it in their archives listed as him. IF he does have it in his literature, I would guess it is from his alma mater.
Regardless, this is a non-story; wouldn't you agree?
riversedge
(70,084 posts)That hold true for all candidates. Will leave it at that.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Your statement listed below is a falsehood.
Nobody at the University Chicago is saying any such thing. Here is what the article says:
and
Nobody doubts that Sanders was involved with nor spoke at the event in question. The only question is if this particular picture is of him and not someone who looks very similar. Please do not spread untruths on DU.
George II
(67,782 posts)DIRECTLY from the TIME article:
"There was just one problem: Four University of Chicago alumni who went to school with Sanders tell TIME they believe that the dramatic photo of Sanders, which his campaign has featured on its website and in a promotional video, is not in fact a photograph of Sanders. An archivist at the University of Chicago agreed in January that Sanders was not the speaker in the photo, though the schools official decision on the mans identity is still pending.
So what was it that Bainsbain said is "false"?
Bainsbain said:
Nobody at Uchicago is saying this. Everyone agrees that Bernie was a leader for the event in question. The question is merely about who is in the picture.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But I guess there may be not that much difference between the true believers on either side.
But this is the same thing the right did to discredit criticize of Bush...the use of hyperbole and ridiculous claims to shut up those critical of him.
The message is clear, if you listen to them then you believe all kinds of crazy things...guilt by association.
Yes we suck sometimes too.
Kalidurga
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)U Chicago identifies this one as "Bernie Sanders speaks on the first day of the sit-in" and Time identifies the first one you posted as "Bruce Rappaport at the University of Chicago in the early 1960s," respective links:
http://photoarchive.lib.uchicago.edu/db.xqy?one=apf4-01698.xml
http://time.com/4108379/bernie-sanders-photo-civil-rights/?xid=tcoshare
I can't say who is who but if they're misidentified on Bernie's site or materials that's going to be a problem for him.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But the ears look like Bernie's.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Bernie gets the nom. Then the GOP will make it a huge deal. But I don't think the Clinton campaign would touch it, even if the tables were to turn. JMHO.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)This is a funny thread, also very revealing.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Bernie was at some sit ins. I am surprised there are any pictures it's not like people did these things thinking hey this is going to be a historical event.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Dunno why, but yeah, revealing. Good to see you here fresh!
NBachers
(17,081 posts)DianeK
(975 posts)the great and powerful Wizard of Oz manipulating all those bells, whistles and buttons behind the curtain
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Kick
fbc
(1,668 posts)Let's see...
Bernie was in Chicago organizing, nobody can dispute that. And Hillary was also indisputably in Bosnia - there's video.
then...
Someone apparently mislabeled a picture of someone that looks very similar to Bernie Sanders. While Hillary Clinton lied repeatedly about being under sniper fire and then had to apologize for lying about it.
I may be biased, but I have to think most people would agree that Hillary lying repeatedly about her past is more serious than someone else mislabeling a picture of Bernie Sanders.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)picture. Either of them. Now I have seen threads with two different pictures saying that it's not Bernie. One clearly is Bernie. The other I also think is him, based on some very prominent ears that Bruce doesn't have. But, I am not an expert on identifying people in old black and white photos.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)Clinton is evil and Sanders is perfect. Any error by Sanders is Clinton's fault, since he has no responsibility for his own actions, including votes against gun control or immunity for gun corporations, votes for the minutemen and the Wall, the F-35, against Immigration Reform or the Amber Alert. All of that is the fault of Clinton who bent the space-time continuum to distort the congressional record so that it only seems like he made those votes. Or she is manipulating Democrats into believing those are issues that matter, as though the 32,000 deaths a year from guns are people whose lives actually count. She also got inside his mouth at the debate and forced him to deny voting for immunity for gun corporations. As a perfect, liminal being, Bernie is not capable of deception so clearly it was Clinton's fault. Science and logic are also in on the Clinton-MSM-Rovian conspiracies. One must never employ either or be labeled "turd way," deservedly shunned from civilization.
The issue is not that someone mislabelled the picture but that Bernie says it is him and they he claims he led that event there, that it comprises his civil rights bonafides. There is in fact a question of whether he actually spoke at the event because others who were there say he did not. However, they have been forced to say that by the evil, time-traveling and shapeshifting Hillary Clinton who as long as fifty years ago conspired to keep the liminal being that is Bernie Sanders from assuming his rightful place as President of the United States. While others say he was not there, they are clearly lying because he is the true Civil Rights hero, who has done more for Civil Rights than anyone in any election or in congress. I read that last part on DU so it must be true. Anyone who questions any of that is not a real person but a corporate shill. Real people do not question liminal beings. They stay in the place and display absolute deference for the absolute authority of the truly perfect leader, Bernie Sanders.
Oh, just in case.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)That wasn't sarcasm...it was a petulant mewling word salad.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Wonder how many believe it?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)BainsBane
(53,012 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:20 AM - Edit history (1)
As in a space between god and man, transcendent.
But you could easily substitute any number of adjectives.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Oh my god it might not be him in the picture. Holy fucking shit, that's really gonna torpedo the dude.
I'd be surprised if anyone thinks Hillary "arranged" this, but what isn't surprising is that some of her supporters here think this is some sort of scoop.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)We're not saying that Bernie didn't participate in those activities but how can we really be sure he is who he says he is *wink wink nudge nudge*?
riversedge
(70,084 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And what's with the creepy Hillary picture on this? Makes me think of Evita Peron.
ismnotwasm
(41,965 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)I'm so surprised to see it here and from whom.
William769
(55,144 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)She was obviously planted by Hillary to FORCE that picture on Sanders while he was.HELD CAPTIVE during her candidate Forum!!! Then the planted Univ of Chicago alum started the whole OPERATION going in the media which was planned 50years ago!!! She does this ALL the time!!!
This is outrageous!
Great thread, Bains. Surprised I didn't see it sooner.