Bernie Beholden to Nurses! Hillary Beholden to Wall St!

[sabrina 1]

We KNOW that it is the Nurses Union that is funding Bernie's Supert Pac and we know HOW MUCH they are spending.

UNLIKE Hillary's Super Pacs!

How are they different?

We do not know WHO is pouring money into Hillary's Super Pacs, see David Brock's eg or HOW MUCH!

We DO however know what they are using that money for.

Brock was caught 'RED' HANDED trying to anonymously PLANT a 'commie' smear in the media about Bernie.

Fortunately he was exposed and the failed effort netted Bernie over $3 million dollars in tens of thousands of small donations.

But we won't catch all of these smear mongers at work. However it helps that there is a pattern to the smears so it's not difficult to recognize them when we see them.

The latest attempt to smear Sanders is that Bernie's Nurses Super Pac is any way similar to Hillary's!

It isn't! But the meme is already out there. And not surprisingly, the obviously false meme is getting the treatment it deserves which simply means, demolishing it with the FACTS!

Maybe it's time for another DONATION to Bernie's Campaign in response to this latest false meme?

Anyhow, back to the National Nurses Union endorsement of Bernie!

When Bernie got his first National Union Endorsement from Nurses, they had MONEY TO BERN For Bernie!



Nurses Endorse Bernie Sanders For President

Bernie Sanders, consistent as always, refusing to take Wall St money, SECRETLY through the BACK DOOR known as Super Pacs where they can hide their Identies AND the amount of money they are spending.

Bernie will not do that. That would make him BEHOLDEN TO WALL ST.

Sen. Sanders however IS Beholden to the People and THEY are working hard to get him elected because they know he will work for them, as he always has.

THANK YOU NATIONAL NURSES UNION for Bernie's Super Pac!



I want MY President to be beholden to the PEOPLE. NOT Wall Street! And that is why I support Bernie Sanders!

[Scuba]

1. Let's see, who should I trust? Nurses or Wall Street?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/180260/americans-rate-nurses-highest-honesty-ethical-standards.aspx

Americans Rate Nurses Highest on Honesty, Ethical Standards

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- In 2014, Americans say nurses have the highest honesty and ethical standards. Members of Congress and car salespeople were given the worst ratings among the 11 professions included in this year's poll. Eighty percent of Americans say nurses have "very high" or "high" standards of honesty and ethics, compared with a 7% rating for members of Congress and 8% for car salespeople.

Americans have been asked to rate the honesty and ethics of various professions annually since 1990, and periodically since 1976. Nurses have topped the list each year since they were first included in 1999, with the exception of 2001 when firefighters were included in response to their work during and after the 9/11 attacks. Since 2005, at least 80% of Americans have said nurses have high ethics and honesty. Two other medical professions -- medical doctors and pharmacists -- tie this year for second place at 65%, with police officers and clergy approaching 50%.

[roguevalley]

46. love me some nurses. my niece is an RN

[sabrina 1]

74. That's been my experience with nurses. So it's no wonder that the most honest profession would

endorse the most honest candidate in this race!

[NuclearDem]

2. Actually, the point is about benefitting from the Citizens United framework

despite repeatedly saying you'll have no part of it.

But please, continue.

[sabrina 1]

6. Except the 'point' doesn't apply. The Nurses Super Pac is OPEN about who they are and how much

money they are spending.

How about Hillary's Super Pacs? Who is funding David 'blinded-by-the-money' Brock's 'correcttherecord' Super Pac? Do you have any names to provide for us, and how MUCH is pouring in to that Super Pac?

So no, the Nurses Super Pac is NOT taking advantage of CU. They are open about who they are what they are spending.

[NuclearDem]

20. Of course they're taking advantage of Citizens United.

Super PACs didn't exist before CU. They're the direct product of that decision.

If someone doesn't want to have any part of the Citizens United framework, then they can't be accepting money from a group that was created as part of it.

I don't begrudge candidates taking PAC money as long as the donors are transparent, but you can't simultaneously say "I don't have a SuperPAC" and then take $500k from a SuperPAC.

[sabrina 1]

27. They are not taking advantage of the back door allowed by Citizens United for Wall St and Big Corps

to donate in secret to candidates, without revealing WHO they are and HOW much they are pouring into those campaigns.

No matter how much you try to make it so.

[Enthusiast]

35. But due to the transparency issue the difference is literally like night and day.

[sabrina 1]

36. Exactly and either they KNOW that, or are willfully ignoring that very important FACT.

[NuclearDem]

44. Except, again, that's not the point.

The point is that Sanders has said repeatedly he doesn't have a SuperPAC nor wants one, and now he's taken $500,000 from one.

Everything else is goalpost moving.

[questionseverything]

55. he has not taken money from a superpac

the nurses have spent the money supporting him

no candidate can stop anyone from running any ad they want...wether it is negative or positive

[Enthusiast]

59. Thank you.

[sabrina 1]

66. Shame to have to explain that, but thanks for doing so!

[Half-Century Man]

45. Bernie's campaign accepted $500,000.00 from a single source?

Has Bernie's campaign steered contributors the Super PAC?
Has the Super PAC in question been in contact with Bernie's campaign?


Or have a group of healthcare providers spent money in an attempt to aid the person they see as the most likely candidate to get the greatest amount of healthcare to the largest amount of American citizens?

What could be done in contrition for not realizing a legal entity was aiding you? Donate an equal amount to his challenger in the primary? Join those following the dogma of Hillary? Accept any donation, use any method to crush his challenger? Seppuku?

[NuclearDem]

47. If you don't want to have any part of the Citizens United framework

then don't accept money from SuperPACs.

Simple as that. Everything else is goalpost moving.

[sabrina 1]

52. Who is funding Hillary's Super Pac? We KNOW who is funding the Nurses'.

[JonLeibowitz]

75. Sanders has not 'accepted' their money.

[DirkGently]

69. Except, of course, this PAC existed before Citizens' United.

Dates from 2009, before SuperPACs existed. The attempt to conflate a nurse's union group with Hillary's clearing houses for tens of millions in donor cash, run by her own people, is very silly.

It was not "created as a part of" Citizens' United. It is funded by the union itself, not by masses of anonymous outside donors, which is the problem with SuperPACs. That, and the paper-thin separation between SuperPACs Hillary and the Republicans are using, often run by people from within their usual campaign structure.

The nurse's group has none of that going on.

Here's what sets it apart from the presidential superPACs.

First, its donor list. The other superPACs are financed largely by millionaires. As for the NNU committee, "It's funded exclusively by our members," said Michael Lighty, the union's public policy director.

Technically, the PAC dates back to 2009, when independent expenditures were legal but the legal concept of superPACs did not yet exist. In the 2014 elections, Federal Election Commission records show, the nurses PAC spent $2.3 million, and was entirely funded by the union itself. There's only one disclosure report for this year, through June 30; the PAC reported getting no contributions at all.

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/19/456560662/superpac-or-not-this-group-has-money-to-bern-for-sanders

[floriduck]

39. And Priorities USA has been

Beating the bushes in Silicon Valley looking for million dollar donations for Hill and the tech players aren't ready to jump in. They want to wait until the primaries are over. Some will donate now but not to the super pac. They want face time with Hill so they can tell her what they want in exchange for their money. Quid pro quo. . . . .

[PatrickforO]

77. The thing is, the nurses giving money to that super PAC don't have interests directly in conflict

with yours and mine. Because they are us, not some Wall Street greed lizards.

So to me, if Bernie is beholden to SEIU members, Auto Workers, Nurses and public union employees, that's GREAT, because they are us. And, the fact he is beholden to them doesn't mean that acting in their interests will hurt us.

When Hillary acts in the interests of donors to her super PACS, we can't be sure whether her actions will help us or hurt us.

I don't know about O'Malley - he's a good guy and my second choice. But I don't have any heartburn at all with this.

[BuelahWitch]

3. I know quite a few nurses (and CNAs)

They work hard and are on the front lines in health care. A lot of them are pretty cool people. I would say that if Bernie has nurses on his side, he's lucky.

[sabrina 1]

37. Nurses are the heart of the HC system in this country. They are the ones who do much

of the real job of taking care of the sick. Anytime I have visited anyone in the hospital, it wasn't doctors who were there, you rarely see them, it was the nursing staff. I think Bernie feels very honored to have their endorsement.

[Duval]

58. I've found that to be true in my State, sabrina1

[G_j]

4. & the money comes from the individual members

not millionaires

[sabrina 1]

57. Yes, exactly, it's really not that hard. Though a few people seem to be having some trouble

understanding it.

[randys1]

5. I have been trying to tell you for a while now, make HILLARY and our party BEHOLDING to us and

we wont have all these arguments anymore.

[sabrina 1]

8. That's up to Hillary, not us. We have a candidate who has made himself beholden to us.

If Hillary wants to give back all that Wall St money, tell us who is donating to her Super Pacs, do what Bernie is doing, then you are correct, we won't be having these arguments. But that isn't happening.

She states that under pressure from BLM she has stopped taking money through lobbyists for the Private Prison Industry. However they are still waiting to know what she has done with the money they already donated to her campaign.

I would think any Dem candidate would instinctly refuse money from such an immoral group of people. Bernie has of course.

[randys1]

10. Talking about the party mostly. Bernie aint getting nuttin done, if house and senate

are owned by wall street, and they are.

[sabrina 1]

28. Amazingly you are wrong. Ask the Veterans, who are a huge part of Bernie's campaign,

if they think he 'got nuttin done'. See, Bernie has succeeded in getting things done IN SPITE of the bought and paid for Congress he has to deal with.

But you are right that our government is owned, mostly, by Wall St and that is what we have a chance to change in this elections, pretty much for the first time. I intend to take advantage that first step.

[randys1]

31. You are right about the Veterans, but you understand that is limited to Veterans because

the assholes are too embarrassed to vote against them, at least so far they are.

Nothing else that Bernie is proposing, that you and I both want, will be supported by any of the cons and most of the dems

Not his fault, just the way it is

[sabrina 1]

38. Actually they do vote against them, until someone like Bernie goes to the mic and exposes them.

He isn't afraid to call them out, no soft pedaling around the hypocrites is what drew MY attention to him in the first place.

He has no problem slamming the likes of Greenspan who so badly needed it. Too bad his colleagues didn't have the guts to join him and this country might look a whole lot different today.

[artislife]

41. It's funny how you support Bernie.

It is really a different approach.

[randys1]

42. Good, because my focus isnt on Bernie or Hillary, because I am a realist.

Perfect world we would get all of what Bernie wants, but most of it is impossible at this time.

My focus is solely on the party who openly says they will destroy soc sec, medicare, voting rights, and kill Women in back alleys.

[sabrina 1]

62. And half of what used to be the party that would stop that from happening. Oligarchs

want total control. The Third Way infiltration of the Dem Party has caused such outrages as 'putting SS on the deficit table', probably the first time any Democrat has ever exposed SS to the predatory grasp of the Republican Party. And they moved right in, the Repubs on the Deficit Commission.

I guess the thinking was that if a Dem did it, people would go along, however reluctantly.

But once again, when it comes to one of FDR's most popular Social Programs across the political spectrum the pushback was intense.

Which doesn't mean they won't keep trying to get their hands on that fund that belongs to the people.

Another reason why we must elect someone who will never, ever place SS within reach of those predatory Privatizers ever again.

The only one I see running in this race, is Bernie Sanders.

[artislife]

79. That is true. Bernie isn't keen to compromise our wins away. nt

[artislife]

78. Oh...the self described reality based group are the hillarians. nt

[sabrina 1]

72. Yes, imo, you support a candidate because they are the best person for the job, or you don't.

[JaneyVee]

7. Who in Wall Street is donating to her?

And union money is pouring into her campaign.

[sabrina 1]

11. That is the exact question she needs to answer. WHo is pouring money into David Brock's Hillary

Super Pac, and how MUCH? No one knows!

The Nurses however are open about who they are and how much they are spending.

That's the kind of openness needed. Maybe you can answer that question re Hillary's Super Pacs, the amount thanks to CU can be unlimited but we don't have a clue about her Super Pac funding or donors

[NCTraveler]

9. Union money and support is flowing into Clintons campaign.

This is flat out deceptive on your part.

[sabrina 1]

13. You forgot, so is Wall St money through her Super Pacs except we don't know who or how

much

She could release that information of course. But so far no one has a clue, and thanks to CU that is just fine.

[NCTraveler]

19. So if I show you where she has gotten more than half a mill from union PAC's....

according to your own laughable meme, you will then claim she is best for unions, correct? You are starting to make this too easy.

[sabrina 1]

29. Show me who is funding David Brock's Super Pac, and how much they are pouring into that

Super Pac. That's all.

[NCTraveler]

40. I'm talking about the metric you are using.

To you it's all about the money until it isn't. I think it's important as you clearly do as well. In the logical flow of your op, is Clinton better for unions since she is getting more money and support. I use a different metric than you in this area. I ask myself who is best positioned to help strengthen unions? I'm going with who an overwhelming number of unions are going with. Yeah, I've seen the Facebook pages.

[sabrina 1]

48. That is the metric. Using CU to hide donors and donations. Thanks, you could not show

us who and how much Hillary's donors to her Super Pacs are because you don't know, and that is the METRIC that is so WRONG about CU.

Maybe her campaign should have left this non related issue of the Nurses open and honest donations to Bernie's campaign alone as all it does is draw attention AGAIN to Citizens United allowing Corporations and Wall St to buy our government WITOUT being identified.

[merrily]

12. Medicare for All, yes! Billarycare, no! That's what this donation says to me.

Also, Hillary's DU supporters spend a lot of time proving Hillary is worse than Bernie. You'd think they'd stop?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=74854

(I should really edit that post to include this PAC foolishness. What a yooge error for Hillary, of all people, to draw attention to PACs.

[Sheepshank]

14. BUT...the walk back is terrific and you are all ok with PAC's now

that's good to hear so that the other PACS supporting Bernie can come out of hiding on DU

Campaign & Outside Committees Targeting Bernie Sanders
Organization Pro/Against Type Total Raised
Bernie 2016 Pro-Sanders Campaign $41,463,784
Progressive Voters of America Pro-Sanders Leadership PAC $16,249
Collective Actions PAC Pro-Sanders Super PAC $8,795
BillionairesForBernie.org Pro-Sanders SuperPAC $0

and lets not forget the pesky bad, do nothing but corrupt the proces, corporations, representing media, attorneys, financial and securities sectors:

1 Retired $973,306
2 Education $478,753
3 Lawyers/Law Firms $273,462
4 Health Professionals $267,076
5 Democratic/Liberal $264,748
6 Misc Business $261,224
7 Electronics Mfg & Equip $182,782
8 TV/Movies/Music $170,942
9 Business Services $169,630
10 Printing & Publishing $149,506
11 Civil Servants/Public Officials $149,367
12 Other $132,685
13 Internet $112,870
14 Real Estate $110,835
15 Hospitals/Nursing Homes $99,811
16 Women's Issues $66,580
17 Misc Finance $64,261
18 Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $49,663
19 Misc Services $48,020
20 Securities & Investment $47,833

[sabrina 1]

16. No need to walk anything back. Bottom line is simple. Hillary's Super Pacs are taking advantage

of the Citizens United ruling that allows HER donors AND The amounts they donate to remain SECRET!

So glad always to have an opportunity to discuss that horrific ruling and why it has to go.

Do YOU know who is pouring money into David Brock's Hillary Super Pac or HOW MUCH? The one her campaign is coordinating with?

The one that was caught trying to plant lies in the media?

I can't you if you don't see the difference, but it doesn't matter, most people are seeing it.

[Sheepshank]

17. moving the goal posts. Yet again. Aren't you tired?

the bottom line is that it appears Bernie is now ok with them, where he wasn't. There were people protecting his stand of the ugly evil PAC, now they excuse it...because special made up qualifiers.

[Scuba]

22. That's not moving the goalposts. And the bottom line is NOT what you say. The bottom line is ....

... the matter of SECRECY.


But then you knew that.

[sabrina 1]

24. Okay, let's try a little experiment. Can you tell us who is funding Hillary's Super Pac & HOW much

they are pouring into them?

Thanks in advance.

[Half-Century Man]

60. There is nothing to move.

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We act as we can to get who we feel is the best candidate for the Democratic candidate through the primary, just as you do. Other than as a volunteer at massive rallies, I have no relationship to the Sander's campaign. I do however trust him implicitly.
When he says he has no Super PAC, he is saying he will never accept money for his campaign from a Super PAC, not that Super PACs do not exist.
Personally, I have wished that I had the money to rent billboard space in any city he might speak in. To do more than simply let social media handle spreading the word. I would act on nothing more than notices of appearances here on DU. I would not seek contact from his campaign, nor would I accept suggestions for greater impact from his campaign. I would do my thing independently of his campaign, as I do by putting signs in my yard.

Until there is proof that Bernie Sanders himself, coordinated or authorized the expenditures of a super pac to aid in his effort in the Democratic primary, go urinate as high as you can up a twisted braid of fibers. His statement stands.

[sabrina 1]

67. And we don't get any answers when the right questions are asked.

Another talking point demolished by the truth!

[Faux pas]

15. Kicketty Kickin'

[stupidicus]

18. well, this is another way 3rdwayers are like their rightwing cousins

"similar" becomes the "same" because they dishonestly ignore or lack the intellectual heft to see the important differences.

[sabrina 1]

25. It's deliberate and it shamefully Rovian and to be redundant, extremely dishonest.

[TheProgressive]

21. Says it all...

People who help people vs. people who rip off people

[retrowire]

23. and important point

hillary's super PACs are sanctioned by her campaign, Bernie's one isn't.

[sabrina 1]

26. And mostly this political pac the nurses have for Bernie is open about who is funding it and

with how much money

What Citizens United did was to allow Super Pacs to violate campaign laws by being able to HIDE who their donors are AND how much they are pouring in through those back doors.

Hillary could detach herself from them, tell them to expose the donors and the amounts of money they are donating if she wanted to as Bernie has. But so far, that hasn't happened.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. EXACTLY!!!

This is our 1,000,002 meme (LIE) posted about Bernie? None of them will ever survive with his INTERNET ARMY to shoot them all down with FACTS.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[sabrina 1]

33. Lies die a fast death when the truth is told. As you say, they are living in the past, unaware

that while they took control of the MSM, the New Media is where the power is. I like that they still don't get that though.

It helped Obama in 2008 and it sure is helping Bernie now, their refusal to 'move forward' and their reliance on the old David Atwater type dirty political games. All of their 'memes' are shattered almost as soon as they appear.

[Menshunables]

32. Excellent post/push back on a bald faced lie.

It is a good sign that the anxiety is so high that Brock has to resort to this sort of thing. If Hillary is so far ahead and unbeatable, why would these lies even be needed?

[sabrina 1]

34. Exactly! It's telling how desperate they must be to even try what he tried at this point.

AND how in the past they are when maybe they COULD have controlled the message using their Corporate purchased propaganda machine known as the 'media'.

And to use that old smear monger simply boggles the mind considering what he nearly succeeded in doing to Clinton's presidency.

Shameful lack of ethics imo. No one should be rewarded for what that smear monger did to this country.

[reformist2]

71. Thank you. Claiming that Bernie has SuperPacs just like Hillary was one of the worst lies yet...

And I agree, it's a clear sign of desperation. Which is odd, since we were told Hillary has this locked up....

[SoapBox]

43. Thank you Sabrina!

That line of crap in that other OP was disgusting and as is the usual, dishonest.

I do not want anyone supported by such blatant dishonesty, near the White House...again.

Go Bernie!

[sabrina 1]

51. Me neither we are sick and tired of deception and lies. Why don't they just try to

beat Bernie honestly? If Hillary and her supporters actually do believe her policies are best for the country, then EXPLAIN WHY. WHo knows, some people might even agree with her.

But I NEVER see them posting about issues, it's either a flood of useless POLLS or attacks on Sanders.

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. KnR

[zentrum]

50. Love, love, love Nurses.

They're as authentic and caring as Bernie.

[sabrina 1]

53. Yes, they are. I love them too, never knew one who wasn't compassionate and caring for the

people they were taking care of.

[upaloopa]

54. You just said you don't know who or how much

is contributing to Hillary's PACs. But Hillary is beholden it Wall Street.
Here is a clue.
The main PAC is Priorities USA Action it has raised $25 million since mid Sept

[sabrina 1]

56. Who is funding Hillary's Super Pac run by David Brock, and how much are they

contributing? The one which tried to PLANT A SMEAR against Sanders in the media, and got caught?

Thanks in advance. It's so hard to get an answer to this question. I KNOW the answer so don't see the problem personally.

[upaloopa]

61. No the PAC did not plant a smear on Bernie

David Brook sent an email to a Huffington Post reporter and it was made public.
If a PAC wanted to smear Bernie that is not what they would do since no one was going to know about it.
If they wanted to Smear Bernie they would say it out loud in the public arena.

[sabrina 1]

63. No, because the two reporters REFUSED to allow Brock to remain anonymous. But that doesn't

answer a whole lot of questions regarding Brock, Hillary, and her/his Super Pac.

Why is she coordinating her campaign with an old right wing smear monger, who clearly hasn't changed one bit, who nearly brought down her husband's presidency?

Why is she even ASSOCIATING with this character?

And again, WHO is funding that Super Pac he runs and tried to use to PLANT smears against Sanders in the media?


It's the same old sleazy, slimy, David Atwater/Rove tactics that are destroying our electoral system, and which Democrats I thought, were totally OPPOSED to.

When did OUR Party decide that rather than ending the money that fuels these smear mongers, they would instead become PART OF IT?

We don't all suffer from amnesia. I remember when Brock and Paula Jones were funded the same way and we Dems were horrified that money could BUY that kind of slime. What happened? What changed Hillary's mind about the likes of Brock?

[Uncle Joe]

64. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, sabrina.

[sabrina 1]

65. Thanks Uncle Joe! n/t

[Oilwellian]

68. Great post, as always, sabrina

K&R

[Fumesucker]

70. Two nurses in my family, I support nurses and Bernie

[FlatBaroque]

73. BIG Nursing

[PatrickforO]

76. It is a union PAC

Nurses, and indeed many people in other unions, are supporting and will vote for Bernie.

Because he has their backs. He has veterans' backs. He has college kids' backs. He has your back and mine.

Wall Street hates him. The establishment Third Way Democratic party apparatus hates him. The corporate-owned media is ignoring him in Iowa and elsewhere.

And yet, the people are for him because he is for us. The nurses didn't get into their field because they wanted profits or cost cutting at the expense of their patients. They got into the field to make a difference, to save lives. And they want single payer. Bernie wants single payer. I want single payer. Most sane people do.

So...no surprise a nurses PAC will announce its support of Bernie.

[sabrina 1]

80. Yes, and trying to turn a Nurses Pac into a Wall St Pac is the height of deception, not that it has

stopped them from trying.