2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThese People are Brimming over With Enthusiasm for Clinton (Despite Her Lack of Fashion Sense)
First, I will post a real, actual, I-could-not-make-this-kind-of-shit up quote from DU today:
"her clothing doesn't register with anyone"
Oh my! How could we even consider a female candidate who is not also a fashion maven? What were we thinking?
Now, about this so called "Lack of enthusiasm", Clinton's supporters are saving it for the general----because we are 99.99% sure that she will be the nominee. Nothing that has happened this primary season has changed our minds. On the contrary. Every time her detractors rub their hands and cackle in glee anticipating that this debate or that Congressional witch hunt will spell doom, DOOM, DOOM for her campaign, she always manages to win. Every time we are told that if the election were held today and if middle school students in one state were going to select the party's nominee--we yawn. And then we get back to our lives---which includes occasionally checking in to see what the We Hate Hillary Talking Point du Jour is.
Today's talking point is "Clinton is just no fun!"
I beg to differ. These folks think there is a lot be be enthusiastic about. May I recommend the following song as you scroll through the images below:
"Chelsea's Mom Has Got It Going On"
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Sure, she dresses like Your Mother. But we are voting for a president, not a Super Model.
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)It's the money supporting her, her past votes and her two-faced nuanced whatever that is.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Exactly.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Her clothes, her money, her votes her hair, her lack of strength, her lack of stamina, her husband, her voice, her laugh. Her lack of, her lack of, her pansuit, her hat, her shoes, her age, her money, her self.
All you glorious Trumps, read about a bunch of other "her things ..
Then talk about HRC.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The insults are unnecessary and misapplied. Let's stick to the topic.
The fact of her sex is a sign of a society becoming more enlightened (as are the positions of responsibility that other women such as Elizabeth Warren, Fiorina and Wasserman-Schultz are taking), but it is not a reason to choose as the leader of this country a person with questionable allegiance, a deadly record of poor decision making and a set of proposals that she has worded with such vague nuance that they mean anything to anybody.
It is those characteristics that drain the oxygen from the room, rather than people putting her down over her gender. The fact is there is no one seriously criticizing her because she is woman, especially on DU, but the thread to which you pointed shows there are people who fall all over themselves to support her solely because she is a woman.
I'd love to read an explanation as to exactly why the monied interests supporting her, her horrible past votes and the way she is constantly shifting around (and the expectation she will pivot to the right at the drop of a hat) is less important than her gender.
riversedge
(70,197 posts)music went real well.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... HRC supporters are only supporting her because she's female, because we "recognize" her name, because we are bought-and-paid-for, because we have been threatened by the Clinton Payback Machine if we don't vote for her, because she sleeps with a former president, because she spends a lot of money on her campaign, because it's "her turn", because this isn't an election but a coronation, because we're low-fo voters who don't know where our own best interests lie, because we are lovers of the status-quo, because we're bankster billionaires and part of the 1%, because we're warmongers, because we're DINO centrist Third Wayers who are part of the vast conspiracy bent on taking down Bernie "The man who represents The People!" Sanders because we hate our country, ourselves, and everyone else.
But if someone wants add "her clothing" to the criteria we HRC supporters are allegedly relying on, I'm going with the hat. Hillary looks great in hats. I hope Madam President will be sporting a fantabulous hat at her inauguration!!!
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)She is a genius too! But we already know that.
Pity the fools.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)And kudos for remembering so many Hillary Haters Talking Points du Jour! Someone is paying attention!
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)-how fun. So many things these women have done that someone might consider a singular defining moment, but they keep getting even better!
I know Hillary Clinton mostly in the way we all do, as a public figure in good times and bad, one who became part of our lives and even our dreams. I once introduced her to a thousand women in a hotel ballroom. Standing behind her as she spoke, I could see the binder on the lectern with her speech carefully laid out and also that she wasnt reading from it. Instead, she was responding to people who had spoken before her, addressing activists and leaders she saw in the audience, and putting their work in a national and global context all in such clear and graceful sentences that no one would have guessed she hadnt written them in advance. It was an on-the-spot tour de force, perhaps the best Ive ever heard.
But what clinched it for me was listening to her speak after a performance of Eve Enslers play Necessary Targets, based on interviews with women in one of the camps set up to treat women who had endured unspeakable suffering, humiliation, and torture in the ethnic wars within the former Yugoslavia. To speak to an audience that had just heard these heartbreaking horrors seemed impossible for anyone, and Hillary had the added burden of representing the Clinton administration, which had been criticised for slowness in stopping this genocide. Nonetheless, she rose in the silence, with no possibility of preparing, and began to speak quietly about suffering, about the importance of serving as witnesses to suffering. Most crucial of all, she admitted this countrys slowness in intervening. By the time she sat down, she had brought the audience together and given us all a shared meeting place: the simple truth....
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/19/gloria-steinem-hillary-clinton-white-house?CMP=share_btn_tw
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)murielm99
(30,735 posts)It is her banality that all these people are responding to.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)This is Hillary Clinton too!
..and this is her day job:
http://still4hill.com/2015/11/22/the-politics-of-urban-legends-toxic-myths/
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I do not understand what supposed to be wrong with her clothes. I wear slacks sometimes? Is she supposed to shop in juniors like I still do? Waar batmand and superman and scoobie doo and lion king shirts? I wear that!! It would make me concerned if she dressed like palin with that teased hair matted up and those hiked up shoes... I did not like it.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)That's all they've really got. They'll scream "talk about the issues" and then rail about hair, hats and clothes.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Vinca
(50,269 posts)After reading about the rather stingy benefit she'd proposed for care givers, I wondered how much she spends per "look." I'm betting more than the benefit for care givers . . . every day.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)Do you give much thought to their fashion? Or because it's all just suits most of the time, or tuxes, that there likely isn't much to spend? Cause suits are hella expensive and there's just as much name competition going on there as with women's clothing.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)care givers, I got to thinking about what that kind of money would buy and what, in particular, Hillary might buy with it. Let's face it, she's a very wealthy woman and very wealthy people don't usually shop at the discount stores for their apparel. Care givers, on the other hand, probably frequent thrifts shops.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)with women's fashion, but I don't get what's wrong with HC's fashion sense. Do they expect her to be wearing dresses or something else instead of suits?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I'm old enough to be her younger sister, and I can tell you, women my age always tend to wear the same kind of clothes, those that are comfortable. I'm still very thin and could wear short skirts with tights, but I don't want to bother, so I'm usually in slacks and jeans.
Of course all this has nothing to do with her qualities as a candidate! Regarding that, Hillary rocks, oh yeah!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Yes, right here on du. Another poster literally said Thatcher is more of a feminist role model than Clinton. Sometimes the desperation of others burns my brain.
#hillyes
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)That's what this place has become. Pathetic.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)I don't see people talking about fat ass Trump,Hucklebee or Christie's weight
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Fuck that. Here's a guy who wants to lecture marijuana users on what is "healthy".
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Well said.
I like sig pic that Beacool was using - the rainbow of Hillary pantsuits is a wonderful poke in the eye to those who've ever directed the RW pantsuit smear Hillary's way.
Sid
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That Chelsea's Mom thing is just plain fucking embarassing.