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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:49 AM Nov 2015

MLK... You Think He Would Support Hillary ???

The night before his assassination in April 1968, Martin Luther King told a group of striking sanitation workers in Memphis, Tennessee: “We’ve got to give ourselves to this struggle until the end. Nothing would be more tragic than to stop at this point in Memphis. We’ve got to see it through” (King, “I’ve Been to the Mountaintop,” 217). King believed the struggle in Memphis exposed the need for economic equality and social justice that he hoped his Poor People’s Campaign would highlight nationally.

On 1 February 1968, two Memphis garbage collectors, Echol Cole and Robert Walker, were crushed to death by a malfunctioning truck. Twelve days later, frustrated by the city’s response to the latest event in a long pattern of neglect and abuse of its black employees, 1,300 black men from the Memphis Department of Public Works went on strike. Sanitation workers, led by garbage-collector-turned-union-organizer, T. O. Jones, and supported by the president of the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), Jerry Wurf, demanded recognition of their union, better safety standards, and a decent wage.


Link: http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/encyclopedia/encyclopedia/enc_memphis_sanitation_workers_strike_1968/

And...

“I’ve Been to the Mountaintop” by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.



Thank you very kindly, my friends. As I listened to Ralph Abernathy in his eloquent and generous introduction and then thought about myself, I wondered who he was talking about. It's always good to have your closest friend and associate say something good about you. And Ralph is the best friend that I have in the world.

I'm delighted to see each of you here tonight in spite of a storm warning. You reveal that you are determined to go on anyhow. Something is happening in Memphis, something is happening in our world.

As you know, if I were standing at the beginning of time, with the possibility of general and panoramic view of the whole human history up to now, and the Almighty said to me, "Martin Luther King, which age would you like to live in?" — I would take my mental flight by Egypt through, or rather across the Red Sea, through the wilderness on toward the promised land. And in spite of its magnificence, I wouldn't stop there. I would move on by Greece, and take my mind to Mount Olympus. And I would see Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Euripides and Aristophanes assembled around the Parthenon as they discussed the great and eternal issues of reality.

But I wouldn't stop there. I would go on, even to the great heyday of the Roman Empire. And I would see developments around there, through various emperors and leaders. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even come up to the day of the Renaissance, and get a quick picture of all that the Renaissance did for the cultural and esthetic life of man. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even go by the way that the man for whom I'm named had his habitat. And I would watch Martin Luther as he tacked his ninety-five theses on the door at the church in Wittenberg.

But I wouldn't stop there. I would come on up even to 1863, and watch a vacillating president by the name of Abraham Lincoln finally come to the conclusion that he had to sign the Emancipation Proclamation. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even come up to the early thirties, and see a man grappling with the problems of the bankruptcy of his nation. And come with an eloquent cry that we have nothing to fear but fear itself.

But I wouldn't stop there. Strangely enough, I would turn to the Almighty, and say, "If you allow me to live just a few years in the second half of the twentieth century, I will be happy." Now that's a strange statement to make, because the world is all messed up. The nation is sick. Trouble is in the land. Confusion all around. That's a strange statement. But I know, somehow, that only when it is dark enough, can you see the stars. And I see God working in this period of the twentieth century in a away that men, in some strange way, are responding — something is happening in our world. The masses of people are rising up. And wherever they are assembled today, whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa; Nairobi, Kenya; Accra, Ghana; New York City; Atlanta, Georgia; Jackson, Mississippi; or Memphis, Tennessee — the cry is always the same — "We want to be free."

And another reason that I'm happy to live in this period is that we have been forced to a point where we're going to have to grapple with the problems that men have been trying to grapple with through history, but the demand didn't force them to do it. Survival demands that we grapple with them. Men, for years now, have been talking about war and peace. But now, no longer can they just talk about it. It is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence in this world; it's nonviolence or nonexistence.

That is where we are today. And also in the human rights revolution, if something isn't done, and in a hurry, to bring the colored peoples of the world out of their long years of poverty, their long years of hurt and neglect, the whole world is doomed. Now, I'm just happy that God has allowed me to live in this period, to see what is unfolding. And I'm happy that He's allowed me to be in Memphis.

I can remember, I can remember when Negroes were just going around as Ralph has said, so often, scratching where they didn't itch, and laughing when they were not tickled. But that day is all over. We mean business now, and we are determined to gain our rightful place in God's world.

And that's all this whole thing is about. We aren't engaged in any negative protest and in any negative arguments with anybody. We are saying that we are determined to be men. We are determined to be people. We are saying that we are God's children. And that we don't have to live like we are forced to live.

Now, what does all of this mean in this great period of history? It means that we've got to stay together. We've got to stay together and maintain unity. You know, whenever Pharaoh wanted to prolong the period of slavery in Egypt, he had a favorite, favorite formula for doing it. What was that? He kept the slaves fighting among themselves. But whenever the slaves get together, something happens in Pharaoh's court, and he cannot hold the slaves in slavery. When the slaves get together, that's the beginning of getting out of slavery. Now let us maintain unity.

Secondly, let us keep the issues where they are. The issue is injustice. The issue is the refusal of Memphis to be fair and honest in its dealings with its public servants, who happen to be sanitation workers. Now, we've got to keep attention on that. That's always the problem with a little violence. You know what happened the other day, and the press dealt only with the window-breaking. I read the articles. They very seldom got around to mentioning the fact that one thousand, three hundred sanitation workers were on strike, and that Memphis is not being fair to them, and that Mayor Loeb is in dire need of a doctor. They didn't get around to that.

Now we're going to march again, and we've got to march again, in order to put the issue where it is supposed to be. And force everybody to see that there are thirteen hundred of God's children here suffering, sometimes going hungry, going through dark and dreary nights wondering how this thing is going to come out. That's the issue. And we've got to say to the nation: we know it's coming out. For when people get caught up with that which is right and they are willing to sacrifice for it, there is no stopping point short of victory.

We aren't going to let any mace stop us. We are masters in our nonviolent movement in disarming police forces; they don't know what to do, I've seen them so often. I remember in Birmingham, Alabama, when we were in that majestic struggle there we would move out of the 16th Street Baptist Church day after day; by the hundreds we would move out. And Bull Connor would tell them to send the dogs forth and they did come; but we just went before the dogs singing, "Ain't gonna let nobody turn me round." Bull Connor next would say, "Turn the fire hoses on." And as I said to you the other night, Bull Connor didn't know history. He knew a kind of physics that somehow didn't relate to the transphysics that we knew about. And that was the fact that there was a certain kind of fire that no water could put out. And we went before the fire hoses; we had known water. If we were Baptist or some other denomination, we had been immersed. If we were Methodist, and some others, we had been sprinkled, but we knew water.

That couldn't stop us. And we just went on before the dogs and we would look at them; and we'd go on before the water hoses and we would look at it, and we'd just go on singing "Over my head I see freedom in the air." And then we would be thrown in the paddy wagons, and sometimes we were stacked in there like sardines in a can. And they would throw us in, and old Bull would say, "Take them off," and they did; and we would just go in the paddy wagon singing, "We Shall Overcome." And every now and then we'd get in the jail, and we'd see the jailers looking through the windows being moved by our prayers, and being moved by our words and our songs. And there was a power there which Bull Connor couldn't adjust to; and so we ended up transforming Bull into a steer, and we won our struggle in Birmingham.

Now we've got to go on to Memphis just like that. I call upon you to be with us Monday. Now about injunctions: We have an injunction and we're going into court tomorrow morning to fight this illegal, unconstitutional injunction. All we say to America is, "Be true to what you said on paper." If I lived in China or even Russia, or any totalitarian country, maybe I could understand the denial of certain basic First Amendment privileges, because they hadn't committed themselves to that over there. But somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. Somewhere I read of the freedom of speech. Somewhere I read of the freedom of the press. Somewhere I read that the greatness of America is the right to protest for right. And so just as I say, we aren't going to let any injunction turn us around. We are going on.

We need all of you. And you know what's beautiful tome, is to see all of these ministers of the Gospel. It's a marvelous picture. Who is it that is supposed to articulate the longings and aspirations of the people more than the preacher? Somehow the preacher must be an Amos, and say, "Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream." Somehow, the preacher must say with Jesus, "The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to deal with the problems of the poor."

And I want to commend the preachers, under the leadership of these noble men: James Lawson, one who has been in this struggle for many years; he's been to jail for struggling; but he's still going on, fighting for the rights of his people. Rev. Ralph Jackson, Billy Kiles; I could just go right on down the list, but time will not permit. But I want to thank them all. And I want you to thank them, because so often, preachers aren't concerned about anything but themselves. And I'm always happy to see a relevant ministry.

It's all right to talk about "long white robes over yonder," in all of its symbolism. But ultimately people want some suits and dresses and shoes to wear down here. It's all right to talk about "streets flowing with milk and honey," but God has commanded us to be concerned about the slums down here, and his children who can't eat three square meals a day. It's all right to talk about the new Jerusalem, but one day, God's preachers must talk about the New York, the new Atlanta, the new Philadelphia, the new Los Angeles, the new Memphis, Tennessee. This is what we have to do.

Now the other thing we'll have to do is this: Always anchor our external direct action with the power of economic withdrawal. Now, we are poor people, individually, we are poor when you compare us with white society in America. We are poor. Never stop and forget that collectively, that means all of us together, collectively we are richer than all the nations in the world, with the exception of nine. Did you ever think about that? After you leave the United States, Soviet Russia, Great Britain, West Germany, France, and I could name the others, the Negro collectively is richer than most nations of the world. We have an annual income of more than thirty billion dollars a year, which is more than all of the exports of the United States, and more than the national budget of Canada. Did you know that? That's power right there, if we know how to pool it.

We don't have to argue with anybody. We don't have to curse and go around acting bad with our words. We don't need any bricks and bottles, we don't need any Molotov cocktails, we just need to go around to these stores, and to these massive industries in our country, and say, "God sent us by here, to say to you that you're not treating his children right. And we've come by here to ask you to make the first item on your agenda fair treatment, where God's children are concerned. Now, if you are not prepared to do that, we do have an agenda that we must follow. And our agenda calls for withdrawing economic support from you."

And so, as a result of this, we are asking you tonight, to go out and tell your neighbors not to buy Coca-Cola in Memphis. Go by and tell them not to buy Sealtest milk. Tell them not to buy—what is the other bread?—Wonder Bread. And what is the other bread company, Jesse? Tell them not to buy Hart's bread. As Jesse Jackson has said, up to now, only the garbage men have been feeling pain; now we must kind of redistribute the pain. We are choosing these companies because they haven't been fair in their hiring policies; and we are choosing them because they can begin the process of saying, they are going to support the needs and the rights of these men who are on strike. And then they can move on downtown and tell Mayor Loeb to do what is right.

But not only that, we've got to strengthen black institutions. I call upon you to take your money out of the banks downtown and deposit your money in Tri-State Bank—we want a "bank-in" movement in Memphis. So go by the savings and loan association. I'm not asking you something we don't do ourselves at SCLC. Judge Hooks and others will tell you that we have an account here in the savings and loan association from the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. We're just telling you to follow what we're doing. Put your money there. You have six or seven black insurance companies in Memphis. Take out your insurance there. We want to have an "insurance-in."

Now these are some practical things we can do. We begin the process of building a greater economic base. And at the same time, we are putting pressure where it really hurts. I ask you to follow through here.

Now, let me say as I move to my conclusion that we've got to give ourselves to this struggle until the end. Nothing would be more tragic than to stop at this point, in Memphis. We've got to see it through. And when we have our march, you need to be there. Be concerned about your brother. You may not be on strike. But either we go up together, or we go down together.

Let us develop a kind of dangerous unselfishness. One day a man came to Jesus; and he wanted to raise some questions about some vital matters in life. At points, he wanted to trick Jesus, and show him that he knew a little more than Jesus knew, and through this, throw him off base. Now that question could have easily ended up in a philosophical and theological debate. But Jesus immediately pulled that question from mid-air, and placed it on a dangerous curve between Jerusalem and Jericho. And he talked about a certain man, who fell among thieves. You remember that a Levite and a priest passed by on the other side. They didn't stop to help him. And finally a man of another race came by. He got down from his beast, decided not to be compassionate by proxy. But with him, administering first aid, and helped the man in need. Jesus ended up saying, this was the good man, this was the great man, because he had the capacity to project the "I" into the "thou," and to be concerned about his brother. Now you know, we use our imagination a great deal to try to determine why the priest and the Levite didn't stop. At times we say they were busy going to church meetings—an ecclesiastical gathering—and they had to get on down to Jerusalem so they wouldn't be late for their meeting. At other times we would speculate that there was a religious law that "One who was engaged in religious ceremonials was not to touch a human body twenty-four hours before the ceremony." And every now and then we begin to wonder whether maybe they were not going down to Jerusalem, or down to Jericho, rather to organize a "Jericho Road Improvement Association." That's a possibility. Maybe they felt that it was better to deal with the problem from the causal root, rather than to get bogged down with an individual effort.

But I'm going to tell you what my imagination tells me. It's possible that these men were afraid. You see, the Jericho road is a dangerous road. I remember when Mrs. King and I were first in Jerusalem. We rented a car and drove from Jerusalem down to Jericho. And as soon as we got on that road, I said to my wife, "I can see why Jesus used this as a setting for his parable." It's a winding, meandering road. It's really conducive for ambushing. You start out in Jerusalem, which is about 1200 miles, or rather 1200 feet above sea level. And by the time you get down to Jericho, fifteen or twenty minutes later, you're about 2200 feet below sea level. That's a dangerous road. In the days of Jesus it came to be known as the "Bloody Pass." And you know, it's possible that the priest and the Levite looked over that man on the ground and wondered if the robbers were still around. Or it's possible that they felt that the man on the ground was merely faking. And he was acting like he had been robbed and hurt, in order to seize them over there, lure them there for quick and easy seizure. And so the first question that the Levite asked was, "If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?" But then the Good Samaritan came by. And he reversed the question: "If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?"

That's the question before you tonight. Not, "If I stop to help the sanitation workers, what will happen to all of the hours that I usually spend in my office every day and every week as a pastor?" The question is not, "If I stop to help this man in need, what will happen to me?" "If I do not stop to help the sanitation workers, what will happen to them?" That's the question.

Let us rise up tonight with a greater readiness. Let us stand with a greater determination. And let us move on in these powerful days, these days of challenge to make America what it ought to be. We have an opportunity to make America a better nation. And I want to thank God, once more, for allowing me to be here with you.

You know, several years ago, I was in New York City autographing the first book that I had written. And while sitting there autographing books, a demented black woman came up. The only question I heard from her was, "Are you Martin Luther King?"

And I was looking down writing, and I said yes. And the next minute I felt something beating on my chest. Before I knew it I had been stabbed by this demented woman. I was rushed to Harlem Hospital. It was a dark Saturday afternoon. And that blade had gone through, and the X-rays revealed that the tip of the blade was on the edge of my aorta, the main artery. And once that's punctured, you drown in your own blood—that's the end of you.

It came out in the New York Times the next morning, that if I had sneezed, I would have died. Well, about four days later, they allowed me, after the operation, after my chest had been opened, and the blade had been taken out, to move around in the wheel chair in the hospital. They allowed me to read some of the mail that came in, and from all over the states, and the world, kind letters came in. I read a few, but one of them I will never forget. I had received one from the President and the Vice-President. I've forgotten what those telegrams said. I'd received a visit and a letter from the Governor of New York, but I've forgotten what the letter said. But there was another letter that came from a little girl, a young girl who was a student at the White Plains High School. And I looked at that letter, and I'll never forget it. It said simply, "Dear Dr. King: I am a ninth-grade student at the White Plains High School." She said, "While it should not matter, I would like to mention that I am a white girl. I read in the paper of your misfortune, and of your suffering. And I read that if you had sneezed, you would have died. And I'm simply writing you to say that I'm so happy that you didn't sneeze."

And I want to say tonight, I want to say that I am happy that I didn't sneeze. Because if I had sneezed, I wouldn't have been around here in 1960, when students all over the South started sitting-in at lunch counters. And I knew that as they were sitting in, they were really standing up for the best in the American dream. And taking the whole nation back to those great wells of democracy which were dug deep by the Founding Fathers in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. If I had sneezed, I wouldn't have been around in 1962, when Negroes in Albany, Georgia, decided to straighten their backs up. And whenever men and women straighten their backs up, they are going somewhere, because a man can't ride your back unless it is bent. If I had sneezed, I wouldn't have been here in 1963, when the black people of Birmingham, Alabama, aroused the conscience of this nation, and brought into being the Civil Rights Bill. If I had sneezed, I wouldn't have had a chance later that year, in August, to try to tell America about a dream that I had had. If I had sneezed, I wouldn't have been down in Selma, Alabama, been in Memphis to see the community rally around those brothers and sisters who are suffering. I'm so happy that I didn't sneeze.

And they were telling me, now it doesn't matter now. It really doesn't matter what happens now. I left Atlanta this morning, and as we got started on the plane, there were six of us, the pilot said over the public address system, "We are sorry for the delay, but we have Dr. Martin Luther King on the plane. And to be sure that all of the bags were checked, and to be sure that nothing would be wrong with the plane, we had to check out everything carefully. And we've had the plane protected and guarded all night."

And then I got to Memphis. And some began to say the threats, or talk about the threats that were out. What would happen to me from some of our sick white brothers?

Well, I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it doesn't matter with me now. Because I've been to the mountaintop. And I don't mind. Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the promised land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the promised land. And I'm happy, tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.

Link: http://www.afscme.org/union/history/mlk/ive-been-to-the-mountaintop-by-dr-martin-luther-king-jr

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MLK... You Think He Would Support Hillary ??? (Original Post) WillyT Nov 2015 OP
I very honestly think King would have bigger things to talk about than primary politics Scootaloo Nov 2015 #1
Sure he would support Hillary, he understood struggles, women have had struggles. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #2
Like the struggle against 3 strikes, which HRC supported? Android3.14 Nov 2015 #28
What strikes are you talking about? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #42
The legislation that increased incarceration of POC under Bill Clinton Android3.14 Nov 2015 #44
Wow, Sanders was a part of the same legislation while Bill Clinton was president, Hillary was Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #45
Rep.John Lewis does. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #65
Yes he does. Even though there was the photo of Sanders and John Lewis at the Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #66
why not ? John Lewis and Barbara Lee are supporting her JI7 Nov 2015 #3
Barbara Lee hasn't endorsed anyone jfern Nov 2015 #7
I believe she has............. leftofcool Nov 2015 #14
Nope, the Congresswoman hasn't endorsed jfern Nov 2015 #22
This Barbara Lee Kalidurga Nov 2015 #30
Representative Barbara Lee had not endorsed anyone tammywammy Nov 2015 #63
What would Jesus do? gwheezie Nov 2015 #4
No... I Just Think Bernie And MLk Are More Simpatico, Than Hillary And MLK... WillyT Nov 2015 #5
Since Bernie has so very few endorsements from live people... SidDithers Nov 2015 #12
. bravenak Nov 2015 #16
Bingo. n/t JTFrog Nov 2015 #21
Martin Luther King silenttigersong Nov 2015 #6
Nice idea, but it wouldn't have happened. Just too early. Kentonio Nov 2015 #8
I don't think Dr. King murielm99 Nov 2015 #9
Sigh leftofcool Nov 2015 #10
And if he endorsed Hillary... SidDithers Nov 2015 #11
. bravenak Nov 2015 #17
^^^^^THIS^^^^^ n/t JTFrog Nov 2015 #23
Good question n/t GusBob Nov 2015 #31
Bernie and MLK are more closely aligned with each other's principles of basic humanity. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #13
Nope...MLK is more closely aligned with Lewis Sheepshank Nov 2015 #40
No offense Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2015 #15
i would bet money that he would have been against the invasion of Iraq... Punkingal Nov 2015 #18
Would he support ... MrWendel Nov 2015 #27
Probably not. Punkingal Nov 2015 #34
Exactly. MrWendel Nov 2015 #38
MLK was a peaceful man, no way in hell he would have supported akbacchus_BC Nov 2015 #61
He did speak out strongly against the war in Vietnam. kath Nov 2015 #62
I have no idea. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #19
Didn't know you wereso interested in my posts. Punkingal Nov 2015 #32
And what is POC? Punkingal Nov 2015 #33
PoC=People of Color leftofcool Nov 2015 #36
I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Punkingal Nov 2015 #43
Can you seriously not see that person's comment was posted to WillyT and not you? Number23 Nov 2015 #46
Hmmm..... Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #47
Well obviously I didn't... Punkingal Nov 2015 #49
Don't even... nt Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #20
Yes, I believe he would have. It's a damned shame that MineralMan Nov 2015 #24
but Andy Young likes WalMart and its working conditions! MisterP Nov 2015 #25
MLK... You Think He Would Support Hillary ??? TIME TO PANIC Nov 2015 #26
No mmonk Nov 2015 #29
Yes, but only because he had "stockholm syndrome" zappaman Nov 2015 #35
i don't think he would have endorsed anyone restorefreedom Nov 2015 #37
That's a lot of words trying to sell something that isn't for sale. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #39
MLK... Lottsa Words... WillyT Nov 2015 #55
selling your silly assumption with others' words...yes Sheepshank Nov 2015 #68
It's possible. I guess we will never know. book_worm Nov 2015 #41
A DU High Priest of Liberalism channels the ghost of MLK ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #48
Are you kidding? MLK was a Democratic Socialist. He would have supported Bernie! Bernblu Nov 2015 #50
Martin Luther King Jr. was not a Republican. Or a Democrat BlueStateLib Nov 2015 #51
An old, rich white woman who reeks of Southern establishment politics? Prolly not. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #52
Maybe, but we would never know how his policies differ from Mrs. Clinton's! akbacchus_BC Nov 2015 #53
I hate to tell you this, but Rev King is dead and can't say. Hekate Nov 2015 #54
MLK Is Dead... (SHOT DEAD...) Shut The Hell Up... Got It... WillyT Nov 2015 #56
Not what I said, Willy, but you can be hostile if it makes you feel good. nt Hekate Nov 2015 #57
There Are Certain People That Try To Make This World, And It's People, Live In A Better Place... WillyT Nov 2015 #59
Not That Hostile... Just Fed Up With Those That Will Survive The Next 4-8 Years... At The Expence... WillyT Nov 2015 #60
Nope! nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #58
I wouldn't presume to know what Dr King may have done. 99Forever Nov 2015 #64
I don't think so. He was about social and economic justice. Menshunables Nov 2015 #67
I think it's impossible to know mythology Nov 2015 #69

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Sure he would support Hillary, he understood struggles, women have had struggles.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:56 AM
Nov 2015

He would also known the Clintons worked for everyone.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
45. Wow, Sanders was a part of the same legislation while Bill Clinton was president, Hillary was
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 07:05 PM
Nov 2015

not holding an elected office, so it is three strikes against Sanders also.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
66. Yes he does. Even though there was the photo of Sanders and John Lewis at the
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:56 AM
Nov 2015

Edmund Pettus Bridge trying to indicate John Lewis was endorsing Sanders. I will go with John Lewis, he has been there and knows Secretary Clinton.

JI7

(89,244 posts)
3. why not ? John Lewis and Barbara Lee are supporting her
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:01 AM
Nov 2015

do you think good people can't support her ?



tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
63. Representative Barbara Lee had not endorsed anyone
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:25 AM
Nov 2015

The Barbara Lee that founded Ready for Hillary and is not a congressperson has endorsed Hillary.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
12. Since Bernie has so very few endorsements from live people...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 07:45 AM
Nov 2015

The OP is trying to get him endorsements from dead ones. See his similar thread about Ted Kennedy.

Sid

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
6. Martin Luther King
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:21 AM
Nov 2015

had he lived would have been elected President and the Clintons would have had a whole diff political trajectory.

murielm99

(30,723 posts)
9. I don't think Dr. King
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:18 AM
Nov 2015

wanted to be President. At the time he was murdered, he was doing what he thought he should be doing.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
10. Sigh
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:35 AM
Nov 2015

First, his words get constantly misconstrued here and now people are speaking for him. Why am I not surprised?

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
13. Bernie and MLK are more closely aligned with each other's principles of basic humanity.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 07:55 AM
Nov 2015

So, to answer your question, No, MLK would NOT support Hillary.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,399 posts)
15. No offense
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 08:45 AM
Nov 2015

But what is the point of this post? Seems unnecessarily divisive- MLK is dead and can't endorse anybody and there's nothing to be gained by engaging in a tug-of-war over a dead person's impossible to divine political affections.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
18. i would bet money that he would have been against the invasion of Iraq...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:12 PM
Nov 2015

So, no, he would not support her.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
61. MLK was a peaceful man, no way in hell he would have supported
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:40 AM
Nov 2015

the invasion of a sovereign country. All he wanted was for America to recognise Blacks and poor people, he was an advocate for a viable cause, but they had to kill him to stifle him. Very sad when you think about it. Even when white Presidents get elected, they too are gunned down because of their fairness to the American people.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
19. I have no idea.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 12:12 PM
Nov 2015

I imagine he wouldn't endorse anyone. He was very smart and shrewd. He used all aspects surrounding him to promote equality and justice. This seems to be following the mentality of a long line of your posts with respect to POC.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
32. Didn't know you wereso interested in my posts.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:03 PM
Nov 2015

He was not a big supporter of Viet Nam, either. I don't think war fit his philosophy.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
43. I don't know what the hell you are talking about.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 06:46 PM
Nov 2015

I don't post that much with regard to POC, and if I do it is never with disrespect. How dare you make some snarky insinuation! I don't know what MLK would do if he were alive, but I have opinions. One of which this would be a better world if he was still in it.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
26. MLK... You Think He Would Support Hillary ???
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 02:47 PM
Nov 2015

Only if Bernie and then O'malley dropped dead, and then he might vote for Jill Stein.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
37. i don't think he would have endorsed anyone
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:13 PM
Nov 2015

he would work with all of them to continue his mission for civil rights.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
39. That's a lot of words trying to sell something that isn't for sale.
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:19 PM
Nov 2015

it's really so much pathetic wishful thinking.

I do believe both sides have been very surprised at the endorsements they have received. To attempt to articulate that anyone knows the heart and mind of a dead man, especially 50 years later (accounting for evolving etc), is so ridiculous. Lewis is a closer example to MLK, and he endorsed Hillary, so there is that.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
48. A DU High Priest of Liberalism channels the ghost of MLK ...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:01 PM
Nov 2015

... as only one of the High Priests can.

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
51. Martin Luther King Jr. was not a Republican. Or a Democrat
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 01:32 AM
Nov 2015

Martin Luther King Jr. was not a Republican. Or a Democrat.
King was not a partisan and never endorsed any political candidate

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
59. There Are Certain People That Try To Make This World, And It's People, Live In A Better Place...
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:35 AM
Nov 2015

And there are some that make money to make sure it does not,



 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
60. Not That Hostile... Just Fed Up With Those That Will Survive The Next 4-8 Years... At The Expence...
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 02:38 AM
Nov 2015
Of The Rest Of Us...


99Forever

(14,524 posts)
64. I wouldn't presume to know what Dr King may have done.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 09:35 AM
Nov 2015

I can however see quite clearly which candidate's ideals aline more closely with his. There is zero doubt it is Senator Sanders.

 

Menshunables

(88 posts)
67. I don't think so. He was about social and economic justice.
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 10:02 AM
Nov 2015

I don't believe Hillary is much into either, except economic justice for the have mores and want mores.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
69. I think it's impossible to know
Wed Nov 25, 2015, 12:57 PM
Nov 2015

If he had survived, what else would be different? Would he be focused on the number of blacks (particularly men) being killed by police, would he focus on the incarceration rate and how that impacts the employment rate of black men, or the broken families it causes? Would he have continued to focus more on economic issues or the fact that so many blacks ate disenfranchised?

I have no idea who he would endorse or if he would endorse.

I think people who would try to speak for him are viewing him through their own lens and will use that to claim some sort of moral high ground. But you aren't acknowledging your own bias.

If you go back and read the statement John Lewis made when endorsing Clinton, he never said if he thought Dr King would endorse or if King would endorse at all. If Lewis or King's family don't speak for King's endorsement of a particular candidate then none of us have the insight or moral right to do so.

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