A generation comes of age with conservative Democrats like Hillary Clinton

[whereisjustice]

How did it work out? Let's take a look...

Jobs
They told us jobs to Mexico would free corporations from the burden of manufacturing so that the extra profits would be pumped back into job growth in new high tech industries that would raise salaries and put millions to work! And for Mexico, China and India, it did exactly that. We got fucked, slave labor got fucked.

Economy
They told us that removing burdensome Wall Street regulations would allow banks to engineer creative financial products for the benefit of mankind. Instead, Wall Street scientists created frankenfuck. We got monster fucked. And as Wall Street continues to pound away at our most sensitive parts, Hillary says they have to. Or the terrorists win.

Poverty
Welfare cuts plus zero tolerance, tough on crime bills and for-profit prisons were going to send a strong message to the welfare dependents. It put millions of poor people in prison, ruined lives of their families and crippled communities. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. To get fucked by the police.

War
War and violence in Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Libya, would soften the "terrorists" and till soil for the seeds of Democracy. Everyone got fucked. 100,000 dead, trillions in debt, millions displaced. Drones terrorizing and marginalizing millions of innocent people. A cluster bomb of cluster fucks.

Education
Chief Executive Fucker, Bill Gates, announced everyone MUST have a college degree or they are worth no more than cesspool waste. Answering the call to action, America's colleges and universities got straight to work charging kids a hundred thousand dollars for a degree. Along with 10% student loans (in a time of 0% interest rates) and sending entry level jobs to Asia, Mexico, et al we have ourselves genuine, predatory fucking.

Health Care
A free market solution that prohibits negotiation for prices! $3000 deductibles, and huge jumps in drug costs, medical costs and insurance premiums fucked us all. Yes, I know many people have been helped. However, many more have been completely, royally, totally fucked. Here's an aspirin, only $49.99. Because even a hospital will fuck you, cash only style.

You do not learn leadership by incessantly representing the rich and powerful over the non-rich and defenseless.

Hillary got rich defending and promoting this shit.

Do you really think she is going to evolve away from it once she's in office?

[madokie]

1. Hillary will not be our President

for us to find out exactly how she will govern.

You know what I'm happy for that too.


read my sig line for some insight on how I feel about the dem ticket.

[Enthusiast]

33. +100%!

[Doctor_J]

2. there is still a chance to pull young people into the party by nominating Sanders

Probably won't happen though. The fromms and Clintons and Obama and so forth are getting rich by destroying the party, so it will continue in this death spiral.

[Betty Karlson]

12. The Third Way is really an institutional corruption.

All over the world, neo-liberals are being driven out of office, either by a left-wing resurgence in the centre-left parties, or by voter apathy leading to scary right-wing governments. All over the world, the level of tonedeafness is apalling. But the Thrid Way continues to believe that America will be the exception.

[sabrina 1]

38. It's already happening. But if Bernie doesn't win the nomination they will not remain

involved in the 'rigged system' (thanks Liz Warren). They will find other ways, as people always have in the past, to engage in creating the kind of country they want for their futures.

[jalan48]

3. Hillary hopes to ride the "Madam President" to the White House.

For millions of voters that's enough. Her corporate policies are secondary.

[Change has come]

6. I think you are in the wrong thread.

WTF! with the nuke Saudia Arabia crap.

[reddread]

11. wrong party

Right about everything except the use of force.
if thats the solution, what is the problem?

[shenmue]

5. Crack is wack.

[AzDar]

7. K & R

[SoapBox]

8. K & R!

[MisterP]

9. oo! and Honduras! (heck, I even read in Susan Faludi that Clinton could never be for war

because she's a female and thus a fount of life)

[reddread]

10. sometimes you have to starve Iraqi village children to death to save them

let's give some credit to Bill Clinton for Madeleine Albright's famous statement
regarding Clinton era sanctions against Iraq. that 100,000 figure above doesnt hold a candle to those deaths.
What would Hillary do?

[PowerToThePeople]

13. They are not Democrats imo. n/t

[Chan790]

14. No.

Hillary is the candidate of the oligarchs, for the oligarchs.

Hillary is bad for America and bad for Americans; just as much so as any Republican. To hell with her and her supporters.

[JaneyVee]

15. Yeah it's all Hillary's fault!

Meanwhile, Bernie's been in govt 40 years and Vermont still doesn't have single payer and Vermont is one of the only states to ship prisoners to private prisons.

[whereisjustice]

16. At least we agree that Hillary is very effective at fucking us over. That's nothing to brag about.

[AgingAmerican]

19. The private prison industry is doing her fundraising for her

[seabeyond]

20. Isnt it the people, individuals, voters that are donating, wrapped up in a large package? nt

[AgingAmerican]

21. Private Prison lobbyists are fundraising for Hillary

Private Prison Lobbyists Are Top Fundraisers for Hillary Clinton

Follow the money

[seabeyond]

22. And again I ask, isnt it the voters donating, and PPL wrapped in a package?

[AgingAmerican]

23. Do you know what lobbyists do?

Lobbying (also lobby) is the act of attempting to influence decisions made by officials in a government, most often legislators or members of regulatory agencies.

Follow the money.

[seabeyond]

24. I know there are packages, this is what this is about. Not that you will state that clarification.

[AgingAmerican]

25. Lobbiests seek to influence

The fact she gave them such a high level job in her campaign is disturbing.

[pinebox]

27. Bernie has a say in state's issues? Since when!

Bernie has a say in state issues as much as Hillary has a say in Soviet Russia.

[JoePhilly]

17. Some one has a sad.

[whereisjustice]

34. Nope, I went with Detroit. How about you?

[seabeyond]

18. Clinton is the top 15% liberal in congress, does not make her conservative.

[pinebox]

28. She's a conservative.

15% in a congress with so very true "liberals" would make anybody look "progressive", but the facts remain;

[seabeyond]

29. No, she is not.

[Crystalite]

31. I think this says more about Congress's shift more than anything.

FDR policies today would be seen as revolutionary, and yet his congresses were overwhelmingly Democratic party in constitution.

Over time, we've seen fewer and fewer like him in any office and I'm not sure why.

The rise in global concerns, corporate control, need for money in campaigns, corruption, who knows what all?

Thus, being in the top 15% of Congress in 2008 means something quite different from what it meant in the 1970's or earlier.

[LonePirate]

26. I could have sworn Obama was still President.

I didn't know America's youth considered Clinton to be leading America or the Democratic Party right now.

[99Forever]

30. K&R

[Enthusiast]

32. K&R for accuracy! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

[Chan790]

36. ...a generation that views socialism favorably.

I don't think that's a coincidence.

Clintons: radicalizing moderates since 1992.

[ibegurpard]

37. I got to shake Bill Clinton ' s hand

Early on in the primary process in '91. Was excited by him because of his talk about helping out college students...which I was at the time. What a disappointment he was...as was the next president who actually managed to inspire some hope in me. Now the most important thing to me is someone who will wage a never-ending fight on money and corruption in our political process. NOTHING can be accomplished until we fix these things.

[merrily]

39. Cannot reply to a hidden post, so I'll reply to the OP instead

On Fri Nov 27, 2015, 10:21 AM an alert

was sent on the following post:

yes she is.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=852738

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This Hillary = Jeb bullshit has got to stop on DU. Constructive criticism is one thing, but this hyperbolic bullshit of calling democratic candidates every name in the book has got to stop. This isn't helping any of our candidates.

JURY RESULTS

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Explanation: Posting a chart comparing positions on the issues is not calling a candidate every name in the book. Neither is calling a Democrat's positions conservative.
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Only yesterday, I served on a jury that voted 5-2 to LEAVE a post saying the poster preferred Trump to Sanders. No supporting charts or links, no analysis, just a bare bs statement like that.

Tell me again how Sanders supporters are controlling jury results in favor of Sanders.

[whereisjustice]

40. The Jeb vs. Hillary comparison is completely fair. The Democratic Party has lurched to hard right

And cynically plays one side against the other with a few social issues in the margins.

But the overwhelming fact is Hillary and her legion of doom economic council of Larry Summers et al are all working around the clock right now trying to figure out how to fuck more out of the middle class and below.

Because that's the only way Wall Street will fund her campaign.

Hillary might be good at raising Wall Street cash for the Democratic Party, Inc. but for 300,000,000 Americans, she is going to be ruthless and brutal.

[merrily]

41. While I agree that the comparison is fair--and the poster supported it--that is not really a jury

issue. The jury issue is whether the statement was consistent with community standards and the TOS. I believe comparing two candidates on their political positions is fair and within community standards. I believe stating that someone who is both a blatant bigot blowhard and a Republican is a preferable President to Sanders violates both. Yet, the jury went the opposite way in both instances. Very odd, especially in light of the fact that Sanders supporters comprise the vast majority of this particular online community. Stuff has not been smelling right for months.

[whereisjustice]

42. I agree with your assesment. Let me also add that Sanders IS the Democratic Candidate, Clinton...

well, she is carpet bagging for the Wall Street Party.

[mythology]

43. If people keep insisting on repeating this

I'll keep repeating the very awkward facts that Clinton was the 11th most liberal senator during her time in office and voted the same as Sanders 93% of the time.

It's really hard to make a legitimate fact based argument that Clinton is a conservative Democrat.