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Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:09 PM

 

ATTENTION DEM 2016 CANDIDATES: HEED THIS WARNING!

If there is one thing that dems can take away from 2014 it is the fact that politicians on the Democratic side who distance themselves from president Obama are more likely to lose then the ones who embraced the POTUS on the campaign. Example: In the Kentucky senate race Allison Lundergon Grimes (D) completely distanced herself from the President particularly in the infamous "I'm not Barack Obama" TV ad that featured her shooting a shotgun in an open field and saying that she disagrees with the president on coal and guns. (Let's also not forget the interview where she wouldn't admit she voted for the president in 2012)
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Grimes went on to get her ass kicked by a turtle in the election.

Meanwhile in Pennsylvania (my home state) Then candidate Tom Wolf (D) invited the president to speak for him on campaign rallies.

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My great state now has a great governor.

Luckily Bernie and Hillary are defending the POTUS' record as of now and they better keep it that way.

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Reply ATTENTION DEM 2016 CANDIDATES: HEED THIS WARNING! (Original post)
liberalnarb Nov 2015 OP
tularetom Nov 2015 #1
msongs Nov 2015 #2
tularetom Nov 2015 #4
liberalnarb Nov 2015 #9
George II Nov 2015 #16
liberalnarb Nov 2015 #17
George II Nov 2015 #36
liberalnarb Nov 2015 #38
Chan790 Nov 2015 #29
George II Nov 2015 #37
Floyd Steinberg Nov 2015 #39
demwing Nov 2015 #8
kath Nov 2015 #10
merrily Nov 2015 #3
Chan790 Nov 2015 #31
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #5
liberalnarb Nov 2015 #6
zeemike Nov 2015 #21
Chan790 Nov 2015 #34
Autumn Nov 2015 #7
Doctor_J Nov 2015 #11
liberalnarb Nov 2015 #12
INdemo Nov 2015 #23
JI7 Nov 2015 #13
Mister Ed Nov 2015 #14
firebrand80 Nov 2015 #15
liberalnarb Nov 2015 #18
INdemo Nov 2015 #24
liberalnarb Nov 2015 #25
firebrand80 Nov 2015 #27
paleotn Nov 2015 #28
firebrand80 Nov 2015 #30
jeff47 Nov 2015 #32
firebrand80 Nov 2015 #33
jeff47 Nov 2015 #35
paleotn Nov 2015 #20
liberalnarb Nov 2015 #22
DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #40
paleotn Nov 2015 #19
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bvar22 Nov 2015 #26

Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:16 PM

1. Don't forget that one of the Democratic candidates was quite actively supporting Grimes

And unlike the way she ran and hid from Obama, Grimes did nothing to dissuade or deny the support of that candidate. In act I think she actually invited her in.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/222556-hillary-clinton-stumps-for-grimes-in-ky

Fat lot of good that did her. She lost to a candidate that his constituents didn't even like.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:20 PM

2. unlike bernie sanders hillary campaigns for democrats running for office. only in bernie land is

that a bad thing lol

and that ad showing her with a shotgun is toooooo creepy to begin with

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Response to msongs (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:30 PM

4. The kind of Democrats the Clintons campaign for are not necessarily the best kind of Democrats to elect

And their track record in 2014 was pretty poor - Grimes, Mary Landrieu, etc.

IMHO the ad showing Grimes with the shotgun is probably the least offensive thing about her.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:20 PM

9. There are no progressives left in the establishment

 

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Response to tularetom (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 05:40 PM

16. You wouldn't have wanted to see Grimes electe and throw McConnell out of office?

And you're making judgments about "democrats"?

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Response to George II (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 05:55 PM

17. WHAT?

 

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Of course I wish Grimes had won! What I'm saying is she didn't win because she played the part of a republican lite. I hate mcconell if I lived in Kentucky I would have been the first in line to vote for her, I'm just saying that she was hurting herself with the weird blue dog role she was playing.

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:58 PM

36. Well, my reply is in response to this, which you said:

"4. The kind of Democrats the Clintons campaign for are not necessarily the best kind of Democrats to elect"

And you were speaking of Grimes and Clinton's support of her.

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Response to George II (Reply #36)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 07:06 PM

38. That was not me

 

That was another DUer tularetom

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Response to George II (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:25 PM

29. Look up! That sound is their point. It's going over your head.

 

The implication is, and probably a true one at that, that Hillary only supports Hillary-like Democrats and they have a shit track record of being electable because there is little in Hillary's policies to be excited about if you're a progressive or don't like the direction the Democratic party has been going in since Bill was elected President.

I know more ostensible Democrats that don't vote now because they can't get a candidate that isn't a shitty moderate for any important race. We're doing crappy because the Clintonites have done everything they can to convince progressive Democrats that we can never get what we want so there is no point trying and no reason to support a Democratic party that isn't the party of their values anymore. A Clintonite Democratic party is one offering a half-pint of warm toilet water as opposed to a Republican party offering a pint of cold piss.

So, Hillary endorses Hillary-like Democrats like Ally Grimes and they get spanked because they suck and Hillary sucks too.

The silent majority of Democrats are actually voting in every election...they're doing it by staying home every time the DLC pushes candidates on them not worth supporting.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:59 PM

37. Grimes was the DEMOCRATIC candidate in that election, who should she have campaigned for?

And you say it's going over MY head?

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Response to George II (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 07:19 PM

39. Who ran away from Obama

 

She invited Clinton (who's very hated in Kentucky) to campaign with her.

Grimes, Clinton and the rest of the Third Way Democrats can go bugger off.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:11 PM

8. ouch /nt

 

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Response to demwing (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:39 PM

10. Ouch, indeed.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:25 PM

3. You can thank DWS for the "pretend you never heard of Obama" strategy.

Setting election strategy is a major part of the role of the DNC.

During that election cycle, Joe Scarborough tried pointedly for an entire segment to get her to say Obama's name. She never did.

As I recall, the cast of the show laughed at her for most of the next segment--or maybe that's just how long seemed to me. It was pitiful.

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Response to merrily (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:32 PM

31. With leadership like Debbie Downer and Hillary the Inevitable, who needs Republicans?

 

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I've known HS students that ran better campaigns than DWS and were better candidates than Hillary. When did we become the party of fatalist, incompetent center-rightists?

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:33 PM

5. I don't think their problem was distancing themselves from Obama, but distancing themselves from

being Democrats.

Voters want real Democrats, not Republican lite.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 03:41 PM

6. You made my point better than I did

 

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:03 PM

21. That would be my observation too.

The strategy of being Republican lite has failed more than once.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:42 PM

34. The entire Clintonite model is predicated on being Republican lite.

 

If they were a shitty chain coffeehouse their slogan would be "All the conservatism, half the fucking heartless evil!"

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:04 PM

7. When democrats act like Democrats they win. That's the warning they need to heed.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:47 PM

11. are you saying that grimes would have won if she'd embraced Obama?

 

Preposterous IMO

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 04:57 PM

12. Well she definitely did NOT help her chances

 

By ignoring his existence. When even dems are distancing themselves from Obama it gives the fux noise™ crowd ammo

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:04 PM

23. I think Electronic voting machines were McConnel's best friend though

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 05:02 PM

13. sadly Grimes would have lost more if she campaigned with Obama

It doesn't help that the state is largely white unlike other southern states .

The republcan candidate for gov won because of embracing kim davis. That's what people there support.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 05:21 PM

14. When Dem candidates say "I'm not like Obama", voters say...

..."neither is your Republican opponent. So why don't I just vote for him?"

Unless they're voters who want someone like Obama. Then they say, "...sigh. Guess I may as well stay just stay home, then."

Not a winning strategy. Not a winning strategy at all.

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 05:38 PM

15. So Grimes should have been anti-gun?

In Kentucky?

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 05:57 PM

18. All I'm saying is

 

If your going to run on the dem ticket how about acting like it?

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:05 PM

24. So Republican Lite candidate Hillary should lose then Right?

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Response to INdemo (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:08 PM

25. Maybe...

 

Hillary is more of a moderate sort of an Obama lite but this Grimes character took it to the extreme in 2014

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Response to INdemo (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:11 PM

27. You have to be realistic

Be as liberal as possible on the issues that you can, but falling on the sword of ideological purity doesn't do any good.

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:25 PM

28. That's worked so well of late, hasn't it.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:27 PM

30. So Grimes would have done better

By being anti-gun?

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:34 PM

32. Because gun control was the only issue in that election.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:38 PM

33. You're avoiding my question

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:44 PM

35. No, I'm a different poster. Your question is idiotic.

Grimes also distanced herself from "Obamacare" and Kynect. Which are popular enough that the teabagger they just elected governor is already backing off his promises to gut them.

Grimes distanced herself from everything about Obama and Democrats nationally. Yet it is only gun control you are willing to talk about. Because you know if we talk about everything else Grimes did, your argument would look extremely bad.

So tell me, what gun control enacted by Obama did Grimes oppose?

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:00 PM

20. And 3rd way bullshit has been ever so successful ...

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:03 PM

22. And BTW

 

Third Way is what destroyed progressivism in the Democratic Party so thanks a lot!

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 11:39 PM

40. so running away from Obama

helped her win?

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 05:59 PM

19. Harry Truman said it best. (nt)

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Response to liberalnarb (Original post)

Thu Nov 26, 2015, 06:09 PM

26. ?



Looks very comfortable to me, like he has done this many, many times.

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