ATTENTION DEM 2016 CANDIDATES: HEED THIS WARNING!

[liberalnarb]

If there is one thing that dems can take away from 2014 it is the fact that politicians on the Democratic side who distance themselves from president Obama are more likely to lose then the ones who embraced the POTUS on the campaign. Example: In the Kentucky senate race Allison Lundergon Grimes (D) completely distanced herself from the President particularly in the infamous "I'm not Barack Obama" TV ad that featured her shooting a shotgun in an open field and saying that she disagrees with the president on coal and guns. (Let's also not forget the interview where she wouldn't admit she voted for the president in 2012)
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Grimes went on to get her ass kicked by a turtle in the election.

Meanwhile in Pennsylvania (my home state) Then candidate Tom Wolf (D) invited the president to speak for him on campaign rallies.

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My great state now has a great governor.

Luckily Bernie and Hillary are defending the POTUS' record as of now and they better keep it that way.

[tularetom]

1. Don't forget that one of the Democratic candidates was quite actively supporting Grimes

And unlike the way she ran and hid from Obama, Grimes did nothing to dissuade or deny the support of that candidate. In act I think she actually invited her in.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/222556-hillary-clinton-stumps-for-grimes-in-ky

Fat lot of good that did her. She lost to a candidate that his constituents didn't even like.

[msongs]

2. unlike bernie sanders hillary campaigns for democrats running for office. only in bernie land is

that a bad thing lol

and that ad showing her with a shotgun is toooooo creepy to begin with

[tularetom]

4. The kind of Democrats the Clintons campaign for are not necessarily the best kind of Democrats to elect

And their track record in 2014 was pretty poor - Grimes, Mary Landrieu, etc.

IMHO the ad showing Grimes with the shotgun is probably the least offensive thing about her.

[liberalnarb]

9. There are no progressives left in the establishment

[George II]

16. You wouldn't have wanted to see Grimes electe and throw McConnell out of office?

And you're making judgments about "democrats"?

[liberalnarb]

17. WHAT?

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Of course I wish Grimes had won! What I'm saying is she didn't win because she played the part of a republican lite. I hate mcconell if I lived in Kentucky I would have been the first in line to vote for her, I'm just saying that she was hurting herself with the weird blue dog role she was playing.

[George II]

36. Well, my reply is in response to this, which you said:

"4. The kind of Democrats the Clintons campaign for are not necessarily the best kind of Democrats to elect"

And you were speaking of Grimes and Clinton's support of her.

[liberalnarb]

38. That was not me

That was another DUer tularetom

[Chan790]

29. Look up! That sound is their point. It's going over your head.

The implication is, and probably a true one at that, that Hillary only supports Hillary-like Democrats and they have a shit track record of being electable because there is little in Hillary's policies to be excited about if you're a progressive or don't like the direction the Democratic party has been going in since Bill was elected President.

I know more ostensible Democrats that don't vote now because they can't get a candidate that isn't a shitty moderate for any important race. We're doing crappy because the Clintonites have done everything they can to convince progressive Democrats that we can never get what we want so there is no point trying and no reason to support a Democratic party that isn't the party of their values anymore. A Clintonite Democratic party is one offering a half-pint of warm toilet water as opposed to a Republican party offering a pint of cold piss.

So, Hillary endorses Hillary-like Democrats like Ally Grimes and they get spanked because they suck and Hillary sucks too.

The silent majority of Democrats are actually voting in every election...they're doing it by staying home every time the DLC pushes candidates on them not worth supporting.

[George II]

37. Grimes was the DEMOCRATIC candidate in that election, who should she have campaigned for?

And you say it's going over MY head?

[Floyd Steinberg]

39. Who ran away from Obama

She invited Clinton (who's very hated in Kentucky) to campaign with her.

Grimes, Clinton and the rest of the Third Way Democrats can go bugger off.

[demwing]

8. ouch /nt

[kath]

10. Ouch, indeed.

[merrily]

3. You can thank DWS for the "pretend you never heard of Obama" strategy.

Setting election strategy is a major part of the role of the DNC.

During that election cycle, Joe Scarborough tried pointedly for an entire segment to get her to say Obama's name. She never did.

As I recall, the cast of the show laughed at her for most of the next segment--or maybe that's just how long seemed to me. It was pitiful.

[Chan790]

31. With leadership like Debbie Downer and Hillary the Inevitable, who needs Republicans?

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I've known HS students that ran better campaigns than DWS and were better candidates than Hillary. When did we become the party of fatalist, incompetent center-rightists?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. I don't think their problem was distancing themselves from Obama, but distancing themselves from

being Democrats.

Voters want real Democrats, not Republican lite.

[liberalnarb]

6. You made my point better than I did

[zeemike]

21. That would be my observation too.

The strategy of being Republican lite has failed more than once.

[Chan790]

34. The entire Clintonite model is predicated on being Republican lite.

If they were a shitty chain coffeehouse their slogan would be "All the conservatism, half the fucking heartless evil!"

[Autumn]

7. When democrats act like Democrats they win. That's the warning they need to heed.

[Doctor_J]

11. are you saying that grimes would have won if she'd embraced Obama?

Preposterous IMO

[liberalnarb]

12. Well she definitely did NOT help her chances

By ignoring his existence. When even dems are distancing themselves from Obama it gives the fux noise™ crowd ammo

[INdemo]

23. I think Electronic voting machines were McConnel's best friend though

[JI7]

13. sadly Grimes would have lost more if she campaigned with Obama

It doesn't help that the state is largely white unlike other southern states .

The republcan candidate for gov won because of embracing kim davis. That's what people there support.

[Mister Ed]

14. When Dem candidates say "I'm not like Obama", voters say...

..."neither is your Republican opponent. So why don't I just vote for him?"

Unless they're voters who want someone like Obama. Then they say, "...sigh. Guess I may as well stay just stay home, then."

Not a winning strategy. Not a winning strategy at all.

[firebrand80]

15. So Grimes should have been anti-gun?

In Kentucky?

[liberalnarb]

18. All I'm saying is

If your going to run on the dem ticket how about acting like it?

[INdemo]

24. So Republican Lite candidate Hillary should lose then Right?

[liberalnarb]

25. Maybe...

Hillary is more of a moderate sort of an Obama lite but this Grimes character took it to the extreme in 2014

[firebrand80]

27. You have to be realistic

Be as liberal as possible on the issues that you can, but falling on the sword of ideological purity doesn't do any good.

[paleotn]

28. That's worked so well of late, hasn't it.

[firebrand80]

30. So Grimes would have done better

By being anti-gun?

[jeff47]

32. Because gun control was the only issue in that election.

[firebrand80]

33. You're avoiding my question

[jeff47]

35. No, I'm a different poster. Your question is idiotic.

Grimes also distanced herself from "Obamacare" and Kynect. Which are popular enough that the teabagger they just elected governor is already backing off his promises to gut them.

Grimes distanced herself from everything about Obama and Democrats nationally. Yet it is only gun control you are willing to talk about. Because you know if we talk about everything else Grimes did, your argument would look extremely bad.

So tell me, what gun control enacted by Obama did Grimes oppose?

[paleotn]

20. And 3rd way bullshit has been ever so successful ...

[liberalnarb]

22. And BTW

Third Way is what destroyed progressivism in the Democratic Party so thanks a lot!

[DonCoquixote]

40. so running away from Obama

helped her win?

[paleotn]

19. Harry Truman said it best. (nt)

[bvar22]

26. ?

Looks very comfortable to me, like he has done this many, many times.