New Republic cover story: "Yes She Can". Coming November 29th.

[JaneyVee]

by Michael E. Dyson: https://newrepublic.com/minutes/124641/obama-will-probably-go-history-one-greatest-presidents-weve-had-just-dont-think-issue-race-will-earn-kudos

[NurseJackie]

1. Very interesting.

(And a wonderful cover photo, too.)










But did you notice that she's facing to the RIGHT!!! OMG!! She's facing the right side of the page!! WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??!!

[JaneyVee]

2. RIP his social media pages.

[bravenak]

67. Yep

[George II]

63. BUT, if you're behind her she's facing left, literally, figuratively, and ideologically.

[NurseJackie]

70. <3

[lobodons]

65. Staring down the GOP

Hillary is staring down the GOP as if to say, Bring it biatches!! I've got my peeps back. Yes, I can!!

[riversedge]

68. OMG you are RIGHT...

the sky is falling!! facing to the Right.


And I do think she looks better in a short cut (hair).

[lovemydog]

74. LOL

It's a double rainbow! What does this mean?!!

[Iliyah]

3. Nice pic!

[JaneyVee]

4. The piece will be available online tonight.

[oasis]

5. Professor Michael Eric Dyson.

'Nuff said.

[ucrdem]

7. Dyson bio

Dyson has been nominated for the prestigious NAACP Image Award three times - and has won it twice, first in 2004 for his book, Why I Love Black Women, and in 2006 for his New York Times bestselling book, Is Bill Cosby Right? Or Has the Black Middle Class Lost Its Mind? which dissects class warfare in black America. Dyson's New York Times bestselling Mercy, Mercy Me: The Art, Loves and Demons of Marvin Gaye, was optioned for a major motion picture.

http://www.commongroundfoundation.org/mdyson_bio.html

[oasis]

9. Yup. He knows about what he speaks.

And when he speaks, his oratorical skills are among the best.

[LuvLoogie]

6. First reaction: I'm a little uncomfortable with the subtitle.

Perhaps he discusses his own discovery of Hillary Clinton, but I think that "Why Hillary Clinton will do more for black people than Obama," is a bit presumptive.

The cynic in me sees it as an opening to needless shit-stirring, placing Hillary Clinton's candidacy in the context of Mr. Dyson's past criticism's of President Obama. I think the subtitle should include Barack Obama or President Obama, his first name or his title.

[JaneyVee]

10. Author definitely going for clicks with that headline.

Other black journalists who have already read it have called it "powerful", and "must read".

[riversedge]

69. I, too reacted to that

subtitle. I do not think Hillary is going to like it--she is not in a contest with Pres. Obama over this issue.

[Starry Messenger]

95. Probably the editors going for clicks.

It's already getting lots of twitter chatter, not positive. Unfortunate, I like Dyson and hope his article won't just get lost in a bad editorial stunt.

[Cha]

100. Well said, Luv! I totally agree.. you've covered it well. This isn't a contest between the two..

President Obama has done so much.. and I'm glad that Hillary will be doing so much too.

But, don't give me this.. "more" business.

I saw this yesterday.. and why I didn't post it in Hill's Group. Didn't like the sub-title one bit and neither did those on The Obama Diary.

I do like how MED took down Cornel West, though, for his racist slurs at the President.

[m-lekktor]

8. "Why Hillary willl do more for black people than Obama"

Can't wait to read it!

[MineralMan]

11. That's a pretty strong statement in the subtitle.

I'll read this when it's available, just to see his reasoning.

[JaneyVee]

13. I think it will be online tonight.

[MineralMan]

14. Thanks. I'll read it tomorrow, then.

[workinclasszero]

12. Great picture and title

Hope the article is as good.

[pinebox]

15. Here I fixed your picture

XD XD XD

[JaneyVee]

16. Means the same thing.

[AgingAmerican]

17. Yes, it does

lol

[pinebox]

20. lol

Wow.....whoosh, the sound of things flying over your head

[JaneyVee]

22. It's cool, I'm not the one mocking a black journalist.

Bernie fans have a real problem with turning everyone into their enemy. Please proceed.

[pinebox]

28. LOL Who's mocking a black journalist?

Acting whacky makes you whacked. Just sayin'!

Bernie fans have a real problem with turning everyone into their enemy. Please proceed.

That's ok, because in the real world, Hillary is everybody's enemy. Tell us, how's those favorability numbers across America?

[JaneyVee]

32. You are. It's a bit of a terrible trait to turn everyone you disagree with into your enemy.

Certainly not an example of tolerance and open-mindedness, but like I said, please proceed. Keep being you.

[pinebox]

36. More spin there Janey than a wash cycle

Sure Janey, sure lol That's like saying "I laugh at that photo because it's funny!" but you shouldn't because the photographer who took it is AA.



Janey, Janey, Janey, go get coffee, we'll wait. I'll keep being me and calling out Hillary for things like Bosnian sniper fire, flip flopping on every issue under the sun and her love for bagels in pantsuits XD

[JaneyVee]

39. Please proceed.

[pinebox]

41. I shall :)

[JaneyVee]

43. Not for much longer.

[pinebox]

46. oh threats!

[Number23]

93. I'd take MED any day of the week and twice on Sunday than these folks here calling him a Repub

Good God, just when you don't think it's possible for people to sink any lower.

One criticism I have of this video is when he says that Obama will be lauded as one of the greatest presidents we've ever had but race will keep that from happening. I agree with that to a large extent, but I think that the unprecedented levels of Republican obstructionism will be an even greater hindrance to us seeing his full potential. There is nothing those people wouldn't do to stop Obama and unfortunately, that will be a big part of his legacy.

[JaneyVee]

29. Yes, it does. What's your point?

[Live and Learn]

19. Much better. LOL nt

[pinebox]

30. Now I'm mocking a black journalist lol

lol http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251855394#post20

[JaneyVee]

37. And making yourself look silly too.

[pinebox]

38. oh? Not. Equating an edited title to race is silly

[JaneyVee]

42. Not as silly as your memes.

Which are both silly and immature.

The article is about race and serious issues and you decided to try to get a laugh. Please proceed.

[pinebox]

44. You might need help if...

You suddenly equate the name of a magazine to a that of an article title.
Just sayin'.

Silly and mature? I'm sorry you're so mad that I posted a picture in your OP that you didn't like.
Anything else you'd like to grandstand about?

[JaneyVee]

47. Silly and immature. Not mature.

And I'm not mad. I'm trying to help you.

[pinebox]

49. Here allow me

Are you getting it now? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251855394#post45

[JaneyVee]

53. I'm correcting your 2nd paragraph.

You wrote "silly and mature". I wrote "silly and immature".

[Sheepshank]

107. Likley you didn't realize that the mocking was being done...but now you do.

...and it appears that its very important for you to dig your heels in and make repeated foolish statements defending a mistake.

You were given tons and tons of rope on this one, and look what you did with it. Too bad really, you were given every opportunity to walk away from that gaffe.

[joshcryer]

111. Geez. I thought the image was clever.

But your doubling down is really unbecoming.

Should've taken the high road.

[m-lekktor]

21. exactly! rofl

[whereisjustice]

24. lol ++1

[Juicy_Bellows]

26. Ha!

I will give the article a read but holy butthole, that is one helluva claim to make eh?

[Nonhlanhla]

18. Regarding Obama and race

I've always thought that the most important thing Obama has done for black people specifically (apart from things he did that benefit black people among all others, like ACA) was simply BEING where he is. Now little black kids can look at history and say, someone who looks a little bit like me was president of the United States.

At the same time I've always thought that precisely because he is black, he has to hold back a lot on race, since his many opponents are just looking for signs of him favoring black people over others. My impression of him is that he has a far more sophisticated understanding of race issues than he gives out. He also knows, I suspect, that if he pushes too hard, it will backfire. I could be wrong, but I think in that respect it might be easier for a white president to actually do more things that would benefit the black community. NOT because of white savior syndrome or something like that, but just because they would not face the same scrutiny when it comes to race.

Either way, Obama has been fantastic. I know how much he inspires kids in my native South Africa, for example, and I know that he and his family are wonderful role models for kids like my AA goddaughter and her siblings. For that matter, they are good role models for kids of other races too. My blonde blue eyed daughter thinks Michele Obama is wonderful, and she's right!

Regarding Hillary, she is a solid Democrat with a fairly good record (I know, not perfect) on social justice issues. As such, women and minorities have every reason to have high expectations of her, to which we should hold her if she gets elected.

[JaneyVee]

25. I agree and have been saying the same thing.

Besides being a great president, Obama becoming president has been a societal good.

[AgingAmerican]

27. Obama should have been more forceful on matters of race

IMHO. You are right, his is one of the most important presidencies for the reasons you cite.

Hillary is a 'moderate' whatever that means, and has to go on listening tours and hire groups to figure out basic moral positions on no brainer issues. I believe she has been disconnected from the 'little guy' for far too long. A quarter million dollars for a 40 minute speech will do that to a person.

[Live and Learn]

31. Well, if that is true, then won't Bernie be able to do more for women than Hillary?

[Nonhlanhla]

96. Yes and no

It's entirely possible that Bernie will do a lot for women, simply because he is a progressive. I do not see a longstanding focus on women's issues with him, though.

And just as having a black presidents has been of immense symbolic power for black people, for women having a female president would be of immense significance. I do think that Hillary sometimes has to do things differently than a male candidate would simply because (just like Obama) she faces different expectations. As a result, there is the risk that she might overcompensate and then do less for women than a male candidate might, but I don't think the dynamics for gender are quite the same as the dynamics for gender, so I think that risk is less for her than it has been for Obama. After all, women are not an ethnic group. Given her solid track record on women's issues (e.g. her work on sex trafficking etc.) as well as the symbolic power of the first female president, I think her election would be of great benefit to women. Any time you get a "first" it breaks a barrier that makes it easier for the next person of color or the next woman to come along.

In any case, as a woman, I would be entirely comfortable with pretty much any Democrat in office, and literally fear for my life with any Republican.

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(I deleted my post above and move it here. I meant to respond to Live and Learn.)

[Live and Learn]

23. If the race was between Hillary and Obama again:

I'd definitely pick Obama again.

[JaneyVee]

34. He would beat every candidate on both sides.

[earthside]

33. If Democrats orient this election towards race ...

... it is going to be a disaster.

[JaneyVee]

35. Um, what?

[Starry Messenger]

71. Why?

[moobu2]

40. But Bernie's gota gangsta rapper

and a cage fighter!!!

[McCamy Taylor]

102. ROFLMAO

Thanks, I needed that.

[DrBulldog]

45. Two things about this article really jump out to me.

1. The publisher is a Republican-based company. So why are they promoting Hillary? Maybe she's not electable as she claims?

2. Why are they claiming she's better for blacks than Obama? Why bother with the irrelevant comparison that begs the far more important question: would she be better for blacks than Bernie?

[pinebox]

48. And the world just went KAPOW!

1. The publisher is a Republican-based company. So why are they promoting Hillary? Maybe she's not electable as she claims?

Yup yup.

[Codeine]

97. Since when is the New Republic a republican-leaning

entity?

"Yup yup"

[JaneyVee]

50. The New Republic is a progressive magazine since 1914

[Progressive dog]

61. Actually The New Republic is not Republican

and has always been Progressive.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

75. It has always been with the mainstream of liberal thought...

Definitions might vary but the National Review has been the voice of contemporary conservatism and The New Republic has been the voice of contemporary liberalism.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. The New Republic was founded in 1914.It has endorsed every Democratic candidate for...

Last edited Sat Nov 28, 2015, 03:56 PM - Edit history (2)

The New Republic was founded in 1914.It has endorsed every Democratic candidate for president since 1917 with the exception of independent John Anderson in 1980. It has always been traditionally liberal.

[Warren Stupidity]

109. It has been center right since 1974.

Yes it supports democrats as it is a propaganda organ for the DLC, for "New Democrats", for "third way" Democrats, for whatthefuckever the neoliberal corporatist are calling themselves these days.

[postatomic]

51. Very cool

Will have to give it a looksie after it comes out. Thanks for posting this.

[JaneyVee]

54. Where have you been?

[postatomic]

57. Living the Dream

Here and there. There and Here.

[JaneyVee]

59. Ha! I'm trying to get there myself.

Some days it feels like it though.

[mcar]

52. I like Dyson

I'm interested in what he has to say.

[DhhD]

55. Supporters of Hillary Clinton are the 1%.

Hillary, African Americans & The Myth of Bill Clinton

http://academic.udayton.edu/race/2008ElectionandRacism/Clinton/clinton03.htm


Why did the Clinton's back the 1990s Welfare reform, while taking down Hillarycare themselves? What happened to ClintoChildCare? They must have known the consequences to poor women? Could it be that the Clintons were promised a position in the 1%? The Clinton's are against
Glass-Steagall too.

Clinton working for the middle class, does not add up in my opinion. If she is elected, what else might she take down that she seems to be working for in the 3026 election cycle?

Going through trust issues with Obama over the last 7 years, I distrust Hillary even more that in 2008. They are into third way and are a part of the New Democrat move to the Right.

[JaneyVee]

56. I thought it was Bernie fans who were white, educated, wealthier.

[DhhD]

62. Wow, fast two minute read of a long article and keyboard post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Republic

Perhaps you may be referring to this white, educated, wealthier group of conservative Assholes that worship and support the % and are the 1%:

Free Republic is a moderated Internet forum for activists, and chat site for self-described conservatives, primarily within the United States.[2] It presents articles and comments posted pseudonymously by registered members, known as "Freepers",[3] using screen names. The site is supported entirely by donations, with pledge drives known as "Freepathons" held each quarter.

Free Republic has been involved in several organized conservative campaigns including against CBS anchor Dan Rather and against the Dixie Chicks for their antiwar statements.[4] Freepers were instrumental in raising the question of a lack of authenticity in the so-called "Killian memos".

Contents [hide]
1 Local chapters and forum policies
2 History
2.1 1996–2000: Clinton Administration
2.2 2001-2004: Bush's first term and Killian documents
2.2.1 MD4Bush Incident
2.3 2005-2009: Bush's second term
2.3.1 Dixie Chicks boycott
2.3.2 Allegations of unfair treatment of Giuliani supporters and others who digress from popular opinions
2.3.3 Influencing online polls
2.4 2009: Obama administration
3 References
4 External links

[JaneyVee]

79. Says the person who never even read the above article.

[DhhD]

85. What person are you speaking of? no text

[Marty McGraw]

58. So, we go from

a Slogan of 'We' in the Last presidency to 'She' in the upcoming... The Future is starting to sound really Lonely.

[JaneyVee]

60. Nah, that's the headline, not a campaign slogan.

[earthside]

64. Bingo! n/t

[Autumn]

66. Yes She Can. But that doesn't necessarily mean She Will.

[ibegurpard]

72. precisely

As long it doesn't interfere with corporate power or profits.

[Juicy_Bellows]

76. Yep.

I am not even sure she 'can' to be honest, I don't think there is any will on her part to better the lives of any color except green.

There will be some crumbs and fancy rhetoric - but it'll be same as it ever was.

I look forward to reading the article - I am skeptical of his skeptical journey.

[JaneyVee]

82. She's been, her entire life.

From helping desegregate churches in the South as a teen, to marching with Sharpton and calling the cops who killed Diallo "murderers", to building coalitions with black community leaders, to helping fight AIDS in Africa.

[Autumn]

86. If you insist, just because she has done a few good thing

that doesn't mean she will do what has to be done. Hillary has a been known to say and do what polls well. Hence the constant "evolving".

[JaneyVee]

87. There's plenty more, just figured I'd name a few.

[lovemydog]

77. Here's an interview with him about the article.

[DhhD]

89. The video discusses Obama.

http://www.blackpressusa.com/is-black-america-better-off-under-obama/#sthash.FF0BSGG1.dpbs

[Agnosticsherbet]

78. Michael Eric Dyson Discusses His Cover Story on Hillary Clinton

[lovemydog]

80. Jinx!

You owe me a Coke.

[Agnosticsherbet]

83. LOL

[DhhD]

84. Congressional laywmaker rejects the idea that the US is an Oligarchy.

http://truthinmedia.com/congresswoman-sheila-jackson-lee-rejects-idea-that-u-s-is-an-oligarchy/

Would that mean that Lee accepts the 1% support for the campaign of Hillary Clinton? And Clinton's Flip Flop on issues is acceptable? Lee did a flip when she helped construct a bill to impeach President Bush, then later chose not to question the Order of the Bush War.

Seems like there is little difference between New Democrats and Republicans just as many Americans claim.

[Agnosticsherbet]

88. Ask him. Those many Americans are 100% wrong ,

Probably because they could use a good course in political science.
I blame our education system.

[DhhD]

91. And Bernie is educating them in the way of getting this country back to a moral and working order.

You are right. To me, this article in the OP, does little to bring help to the poor and poor African Americans of the OP. Perhaps the 1% will ride in to the rescue, as in Trickle-Down, if Clinton is elected.

http://www.blackpressusa.com/is-black-america-better-off-under-obama/#sthash.FF0BSGG1.dpbs

[Agnosticsherbet]

94. It is good to you believe that.

Me, I'm an agnostic.

[Number23]

90. Holy shit... I haven't even read this yet but Dyson wrote this??

Damn... that is fairly explosive.

[stevenleser]

98. I'm not sure I would have chosen that subtitle if I was trying to help Hillary. That said...

... I don't hold the President responsible for lack of progress on any front domestically since after two years, his agenda was essentially stopped by the GOP. He managed to put enough in place to get the economy going again, and the rest of his accomplishments the first two years.

We will never know what he could have accomplished on a number of fronts without the extreme obstructionism by the GOP. The other side of that is, I am not sure what anyone else will be able to accomplish in 2017-2023 given at least a Republican House, which is what I have been saying to Bernie supporters.

[Number23]

105. It certainly remains to be seen if Hillary will "do more for black people than Obama"

That is quite an explosive charge. And I'm sure that by discussing it, we are doing exactly what the author of that title wants us to do!

[joshcryer]

112. Here's the article now:

https://newrepublic.com/article/124391/yes-she-can

He starts off completely lambasting the 2008 campaign tactics, but goes on to write a rather basic view of Clinton as the Great Bureaucrat, the Policy Wonk. I never understood why black folk could so easily forgive that stuff back in 2008 or be critical of Obama (he's also critical of Obama in the piece on timid race relations work). But I think I understand better now. Dyson wants actual policy shit to be implemented and thinks Clinton can do it because unlike Bill or Obama, she's being pressured by BLM to do it.

[Number23]

114. Thanks for that, josh! Hopefully I'll get a chance to read this today

Dyson's title is so explosive that I almost feel that I have to.

[Attorney in Texas]

92. I don't doubt that she "can" -- I doubt that she will.

[JaneyVee]

99. See post 82.

[ucrdem]

101. It's up! New link:

https://newrepublic.com/article/124391/yes-she-can

It's an account of the last couple of months, with giant photos, and to make a long story short, he expresses disappointment in Barack's slowness and optimism in Hillary's chances of passing legislation that will address the problems BLM is currently drawing attention to.

[lovemydog]

104. Thanks ucrdem.

I'm always interested in what he has to say.

I credit BLM with bringing specific policy proposals to the fore.

Every democrat should embrace their policy proposals, not just at the federal level but also at local and State levels where they are sorely needed.

[Cha]

113. Boo..."..Barack's slowness.." He has no the hell idea what all President Obama

has to deal with . I hate it when anyone sits in from of their computer and think they have one fucking clue.

But, I do feel Hillary will be a huge help with #BLM.

Thanks ucr

[Number23]

116. Has this been posted as an OP anywhere?

[Live and Learn]

103. So the premise is that she can win based on a message of "WE CAN'T" do anything progressive? nt

[AgingAmerican]

106. "Yes We Can't" is more fitting

Given her supporters call anything resembling actual governing 'Ponies and rainbows'.

[Warren Stupidity]

108. FYI New Republic is a center right neoliberal

Publication and has been since around 1974.

[Alfresco]

110. Early AM Kick

She can and will.
Good Morning.

[DesertRat]

115. k&r