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Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:34 AM

CanonRay (12,898 posts)

My 2012 Nightmare

I know Rmoney is a stiff, socially awkward, flip-flopping dufus hated by his own party, but, my great fear for 2012 is this:

Rmoney will have money. Scads and tons and endless brazillions of it. And he will have an Army, literally, of Mormon workers on the ground all over the ground maybe a million or more, on a mission to elect the first Mormon President, fulfilling a Mormon prophecy. "Listen and obey" as the goodwife Ann Romney said. And they will.

Look what they were able to do in California with Prop 8. This is fulfilling a prophecy, we're talking about here. Complete validation for a paranoid religion.

Please, tell me my fears are groundless.

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19 replies	Author	Time	Post
My 2012 Nightmare (Original post)	CanonRay	Feb 2012	OP
I wish I Could	TheMastersNemesis	Feb 2012	#1
I think the Mormon Church is going to have to be very careful about advocating for Romney	davidpdx	Feb 2012	#2
They're accustomed to backlash	COLGATE4	Feb 2012	#3
I hear what you are saying and I agree about the covertness	davidpdx	Feb 2012	#9
Well, they can't seem to buy him a whitewash in the primary	Eid Ma Clack Shaw	Feb 2012	#4
More afraid of Gingrich than Romney	Gargoyle22	Feb 2012	#5
Not worried	Johnny2X2X	Feb 2012	#6
Positive mental attitude is one thing	Kwarg	Feb 2012	#10
"Pubs will keep the House with a similar margin and probably take the Senate."	JTFrog	Feb 2012	#11
Well...	Kwarg	Feb 2012	#13
I'm also a realist.	JTFrog	Feb 2012	#14
Imho...	Kwarg	Feb 2012	#17
They hated him more in 2008. Sorry, I'm just not seeing the enthusiasm getting out to vote GOP.	JTFrog	Feb 2012	#18
Not groundless, but not quite as bad as you think.	GoCubsGo	Feb 2012	#7
Be afraid, very afraid!	ellisonz	Feb 2012	#8
Your fears are groundless.	morningfog	Feb 2012	#12
It's their function in the ground game I'm getting at.	CanonRay	Feb 2012	#19
Take 12 Ambien, and call me in January.	Comedywriter1214	Feb 2012	#15
So will Obama. Loads of it. He will really rake it in through Super PACs even as Romeny does	Obama3_16	Feb 2012	#16

Response to CanonRay (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:40 AM

TheMastersNemesis (10,602 posts)

1. I wish I Could

I wish I could say your fears are groundless. We elected Reagan and the two Bushes. It looks more and more like they were installed and NOT elected.

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Sun Feb 5, 2012, 09:57 AM

davidpdx (22,000 posts)

2. I think the Mormon Church is going to have to be very careful about advocating for Romney

They will be walking a fine line and if they cross it, there could be some consequences as well as backlash.

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Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:13 AM

COLGATE4 (14,732 posts)

3. They're accustomed to backlash

and advocating for Romney can be done in quite a covert way, in addition to the fact that every LDS member knows Romney is a Mormon. What more incentive do they need?

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Sun Feb 5, 2012, 08:29 PM

davidpdx (22,000 posts)

9. I hear what you are saying and I agree about the covertness

But then again how does the church know who a person is voting for? They can't check a person's ballot. In most states, people still actually go to a polling place and vote, so who they vote for is on their own conscious (the only exception I know of is Oregon, my state, which has vote by mail). If they choose to be manipulated, then they are a weak spineless human being.

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Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:17 AM

Eid Ma Clack Shaw (489 posts)

4. Well, they can't seem to buy him a whitewash in the primary

They couldn't even buy him a win in 2008.

Relax. However much money they have, Obama won't be far - if at all - behind.

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Sun Feb 5, 2012, 11:18 AM

Gargoyle22 (69 posts)

5. More afraid of Gingrich than Romney

The media hates Romney and he's possibly the worste retail politician I've ever seen. They're going to spend bazillions regardless. Newt could talk a dog off a meatwagon and the media jumps every time he asks them to. Much rather deal with Romney who can't articulate a theme for his campaign.

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Sun Feb 5, 2012, 12:28 PM

Johnny2X2X (15,479 posts)

6. Not worried

Obama will win easily and the Dems will have huge victories across the board.

Obama will have more money to spend than the Mitt.

This is the moment Democrats!!! What happens in November can be such a resounding victory that its effects will be felt for a generation. This is out time, get involved, be a part of history.

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Mon Feb 6, 2012, 01:19 PM

Kwarg (89 posts)

10. Positive mental attitude is one thing

But it seems so ridiculous when people predict sweeping wins this year. Bottom line... Pubs will keep the House with a similar margin and probably take the Senate. Obama should be able to eek out a win but expect 4 more years that look a lot like last year

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Mon Feb 6, 2012, 03:50 PM

JTFrog (14,274 posts)

11. "Pubs will keep the House with a similar margin and probably take the Senate."

And you were calling someone else's predictions ridiculous? Most Republicans out there can't even stand any of their potential Presidential candidates. I don't see them being too motivated to get out and vote.

*eek out a win*? Obama is already pulling far ahead in the polls. And I for one would welcome "4 more years that look a lot like last year". It's been a breath of fresh air compared to 2000-2008.

But don't let that stop you from telling us how you really feel.

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 04:16 PM

Kwarg (89 posts)

13. Well...

I tend to look at these things without emotion. Lets predict the strategies. Dems run with improving economy, obstructionist Congress and Bush aftertaste. Pubs run with massive debt spending, pay to play scandals, failed investments, obamacare and whatever lies they can dream up.

I predict the dirtiest, nastiest election ever. And it hasn't even started yet. Expect Congress to be complicit by widening the corruption investigations late summer.

I'm a logical thinking realist... And before you accuse me of being a freeper or smthg, I personally rely on PCIPS for my own health so I literally NEED an Obama win or I may not live til the next election.

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Response to Kwarg (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 04:43 PM

JTFrog (14,274 posts)

14. I'm also a realist.

And I'm seeing a completely different picture than you.

Have you seen these numbers?

Many observers look at turnout in primaries as a gauge of voters’ enthusiasm for their candidates going forward into the general. The depressed turnout in Florida reflects numerous polls showing Republican voters to be dissatisfied with their current choices and wishing someone else would enter the race — almost 60 percent in a recent CBS poll — even though that’s almost impossible this late in the game. Exit polls in Florida showed 38 percent want “someone else [to] run for the nomination,” while just 51 percent of Romney supporters and just 31 percent of Gingrich supporters said they were “satisfied with the Republican candidates.”

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/02/01/416249/last-nights-gop-turnout-in-florida-down-from-2008/

Here is a link to a DU post with a chart of GOP voter turnout since graphics usually make more of an impact: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12518924

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Response to JTFrog (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 05:13 PM

Kwarg (89 posts)

17. Imho...

Its not the Pub that will bring them to the polls, it's Obama!!!

Look at the overall polling that shows that people who oppose him can't stand him.

Very few Pubs are undecided or lukewarm re: Obama

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Mon Feb 6, 2012, 05:19 PM

JTFrog (14,274 posts)

18. They hated him more in 2008. Sorry, I'm just not seeing the enthusiasm getting out to vote GOP.

The only other thing I have to say in this conversation is this: "Obama should be able to eek out a win but expect 4 more years that look a lot like last year"

That's a rather negative spin considering your reliance upon his winning. I hope for your sake, and the rest of us, that we win big this year.

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Sun Feb 5, 2012, 12:46 PM

GoCubsGo (30,800 posts)

7. Not groundless, but not quite as bad as you think.

Rmoney may be swimming in money, but he is light years behind President Obama when it comes to using social media. Just look at how fast the Susan G. Komen Foundation reversed themselves. Most of the protests that led to that were fueled by social media. It's far more powerful than Rmoney's Mormon Army.

BTW, when most people in my neighborhood see those young boys in white shirts and riding bicycles around here, they don't answer the door when these boys come ringing the doorbell. I have little doubt many will respond the same way to Rmoney's Army of Mormon Workers.

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Sun Feb 5, 2012, 06:37 PM

ellisonz (27,233 posts)

8. Be afraid, very afraid!

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Mon Feb 6, 2012, 03:58 PM

morningfog (18,115 posts)

12. Your fears are groundless.

Romney does have a ton of money, but Obama will have a ton, too.

Romney has high unfavorable, and they grow as people get to know him. He is a gaffe machine. The Mormon worry is also not much to worry about. Most of the Mormons in the US are in centralized in Utah and Idaho. They aren't a significant factor outside of a few western states. Mormons are typically more conservative and vote republican anyway. And, a lot of Mormons don't like Romney and would prefer he not be the Mormon poster-child for the nation.

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Tue Feb 7, 2012, 08:37 AM

CanonRay (12,898 posts)

19. It's their function in the ground game I'm getting at.

I know they always vote Republican, but they've been trained to knock on stranger's doors and convince them to join an absurd religion, so how hard is canvassing going to be? They will be sent out to every precint in every state, as a "mission". They may not vote in Wisconsin, but you will see them on the streets of Racine, mark my words. The church itself will see a opportunity which may not pass their way for generations, so they will instruct the faithful to hit the streets, and I don't mean in Salt Lake. And the faithful will "listen and obey", as Anne Rmoney so aptly put it.

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Mon Feb 6, 2012, 05:02 PM

Comedywriter1214 (11 posts)

15. Take 12 Ambien, and call me in January.

One chart shows 2x as many Presbyterians as Mormons, 3x as many Methodists as Presbyterians, 2x as many Baptists as Methodists, and 2x as many Catholics as Baptists. So...assuming the Catholics don't block vote for Rick Sanitarium...we ought to be pretty safer. Thoughts at 3 A.M. http://thoughtsatthreeam.blogspot.com/?spref=tw

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Mon Feb 6, 2012, 05:10 PM

Obama3_16 (157 posts)

16. So will Obama. Loads of it. He will really rake it in through Super PACs even as Romeny does

additionally, if Romney were to try utilizing his Mormon army, he would lose 3 votes for every 1 he gained.

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