Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:12 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
Sanders 49%-Cruz 39% vs. Clinton 47%-Cruz 42% / Sanders 47%-Carson 41% vs. Clinton 46%-Cruz 43% /
Sanders 49%-Trump 41% vs. Clinton 47%-Cruz 41%.
In addition to confirming that "Sanders does just as well, or even better, against top Republicans," today's Quinnipiac poll shows the candidates' favorable/unfavorable ratings: (+13).....(44 - 31 percent) for Sanders Most importantly, today's poll also has data on the voters' perception of the candidates as honest and trustworthy or not: (+31).....(59 - 28 percent) for Sanders I say this rating for honesty and trustworthiness is the most important number because voters place such a high emphasis on honesty and trustworthiness: ![]()
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Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | OP |
merrily | Dec 2015 | #1 | |
The Blue Traveller | Dec 2015 | #2 | |
JaneyVee | Dec 2015 | #3 | |
Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | #6 | |
Name removed | Dec 2015 | #24 | |
Cali_Democrat | Dec 2015 | #4 | |
Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | #5 | |
Cali_Democrat | Dec 2015 | #8 | |
Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | #13 | |
NCTraveler | Dec 2015 | #10 | |
Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | #14 | |
NCTraveler | Dec 2015 | #15 | |
Cali_Democrat | Dec 2015 | #11 | |
Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | #16 | |
thesquanderer | Dec 2015 | #35 | |
BeyondGeography | Dec 2015 | #7 | |
Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | #17 | |
NCTraveler | Dec 2015 | #9 | |
Faux pas | Dec 2015 | #12 | |
moobu2 | Dec 2015 | #18 | |
Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | #19 | |
MaggieD | Dec 2015 | #21 | |
Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | #22 | |
Logical | Dec 2015 | #26 | |
MaggieD | Dec 2015 | #20 | |
Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | #23 | |
NCTraveler | Dec 2015 | #27 | |
upaloopa | Dec 2015 | #29 | |
redstateblues | Dec 2015 | #32 | |
seabeyond | Dec 2015 | #25 | |
upaloopa | Dec 2015 | #28 | |
DCBob | Dec 2015 | #30 | |
Betty Karlson | Dec 2015 | #34 | |
FloridaBlues | Dec 2015 | #31 | |
Betty Karlson | Dec 2015 | #33 | |
thucythucy | Dec 2015 | #36 | |
Attorney in Texas | Dec 2015 | #37 | |
thucythucy | Dec 2015 | #38 |
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:23 PM
merrily (45,251 posts)
1. I would put first "Represents the interests of ordinary Americans."
"Trustworthy" might be second. (Does anyone think dishonest people are trustworthy?)
Why, oh, why does no one consult me about all these things? ![]() |
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:23 PM
The Blue Traveller (60 posts)
2. Kicked and recommended
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:25 PM
JaneyVee (19,877 posts)
3. Yet he can't even beat Hillary.
While Hillary beats Bernie and all Republicans.
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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #3)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:34 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
6. I'm content to let the voters chose the nominee which you seem overeager to crown before the voting.
Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #6)
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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:26 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
4. That poll shows Hillary leading Bernie by 30 points(60% to 30%)
Bernie is getting spanked.
To me, the most electable Dem is the one who wins the most delegates and I'm sure the folks at the Democratic National Convention will agree. ![]() |
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #4)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:31 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
5. That poll shows a national lead for Clinton. There isn't a national primary. The pertinent questions
about the primary are not who leads a national poll, but
1. who will win Iowa, The favorable/unfavorable ratings and the honest and trustworthy ratings are a key for the general election. |
Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #5)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:43 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
8. So you think the Dem primary comes down to two states....you only mentioned two states.
Good luck with that.
I wish you all the best. I honestly do believe that people should believe in whatever makes them feel good. If focusing on two small, homogeneous states while ignoring the other 48 states makes you feel good...then go for it! ![]() |
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #8)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 03:13 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
13. The Democratic primary DOES NOT come down to 2 states. But the results in the 2 states historically
has a very significant impact on the results of the subsequent 48 states.
The safest prediction about Super Tuesday, for example, is the prediction that the primary results it will NOT look much like the current polling. If Clinton wins Iowa and New Hampshire, she'll likely do better on Super Tuesday than her current poling indicates, and she may well run the table (with the exception of a few "voters' remorse" primaries where the voters go against the presumptive nominee because that commonly happens). If Sanders wins Iowa or New Hampshire, that does not foretell that he will win South Carolina or Nevada or on Super Tuesday, but he will probably do better than his current polling indicates and the polling and presumptions formed before the Iowa and New Hampshire results will not longer be reliable. This process is not a mystery. It happens just about every four year. |
Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #5)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:47 PM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
10. If you truly believe what you just typed,...
Then the numbers you are touting are insignificant as well. Electoral College.
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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #10)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 03:22 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
14. National horse-race polling is a weak prognosticator of the primary process; the Electoral College
has nothing to do with the primary process.
The nation's opinion of a candidate has bearing on the candidate's national (i.e., general election) prospects, but it has very little to do with a candidate's primary prospects. That is why Clinton's untrustworthiness is such a huge problem because it MAY NOT COST HER the primary (because 68% Democrats do not find her untrustworthy), but this may very well be a FATAL in the general election process because independents and potential Republican crossover voters simply do not trust her at all. |
Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #14)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 03:24 PM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
15. "The electoral College has nothing to do with the primary process."
No truer words. lol.
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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #5)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:49 PM
Cali_Democrat (30,439 posts)
11. Also, aren't you citing national numbers in your OP?
Interesting how you tout national numbers favorable to Bernie, but try to shit on national numbers showing Hillary beating Bernie handily.
Make up your damn mind! ![]() |
Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #11)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 03:25 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
16. Yes because I am making a point about the general election. National horse-race polling is a poor
predictor of primary election results, but it is a better indicator of what the general electorate currently feels about a candidate.
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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #4)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:56 AM
thesquanderer (11,213 posts)
35. The most electable candidate (from either party)...
... is not necessarily the one who gets the most delegates (i.e. his or her party's nomination), because of course the pool of voters changes. Appealing to independent and potential cross-party voters can be a much more significant factor in the general. That's why I think Sanders is more electable... but I don't think he'll have the opportunity, because I don't expect him to get the nomination. Luckily, HRC is still sufficiently electable to be able to win.
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Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:37 PM
BeyondGeography (37,893 posts)
7. The GOP hasn't spent any time turning Bernie's life and ideas upside down and all around
The taxman fearmongering alone would be epic, trust me.
The HRC numbers you cite are an issue, but not as judged against a candidate who has never been in their crosshairs. |
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #7)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:17 AM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
17. Please pass your thought along to Rubio and Trump and Cruz
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:45 PM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
9. Poll after poll shows we are in a great position. nt.
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Wed Dec 2, 2015, 02:52 PM
Faux pas (12,347 posts)
12. Kicketty Kickin'
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:24 AM
moobu2 (4,822 posts)
18. Bernie Sanders isnt going to win the primary and everybody knows that
that's why he's gotten a free ride with the GOP and the media and is polling so high. If they thought Bernie Sanders had any chance in hell of winning the primary, they would start attacking and redefining him and his poll numbers would drop like a rock.
Bernie Sanders will lose this election and he'll be too old to run again. Bernie Sanders will never be president of the United Sates......ever. |
Response to moobu2 (Reply #18)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:45 AM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
19. Just like "everybody" knew that Obama wasn't going to win because Clinton was inevitable in 2007.
Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #19)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:03 AM
MaggieD (7,393 posts)
21. Problem is....
Bernie has no support from Latinos or AA voters. And he is angry where Obama was inspirational. You're kidding yourself if you think Bernie is going to pull an Obama.
It is simply not going to happen. But you're free to dream and convince yourself. ![]() |
Response to MaggieD (Reply #21)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:07 AM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
22. I think Hillary and her supporters are going to pull a Hillary
Response to moobu2 (Reply #18)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:25 AM
Logical (22,457 posts)
26. Lol, desperate much? Nt
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:00 AM
MaggieD (7,393 posts)
20. Sadly for Bernie supporters...
Dem voters are really not as naïve and stupid as you seem to think they are. Sanders would be beat by 20% in the GE after the rethugs got done running 24/7 ads against him with video proclaiming he is a socialist, and highlighting his Denmark remarks along with his proposals that total $18 TRILLION dollars.
Dems aren't that dumb. No sale. |
Response to MaggieD (Reply #20)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:09 AM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
23. You are wrong. NO DEMOGRAPHIC EXCEPT MIDDLE AGED DEMOCRATS TRUSTS HILLARY (thanks for inspiring
a new discussion!)
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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #23)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:36 AM
NCTraveler (30,481 posts)
27. The people who have known her longest trust her most.
Great point.
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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #23)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:48 AM
upaloopa (11,417 posts)
29. You hang your hat on that trust thing because it is all you have left.
"any port in a storm" syndrome
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Response to MaggieD (Reply #20)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:14 AM
redstateblues (10,521 posts)
32. Then there's the "Honeymoon in Moscow"
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:24 AM
seabeyond (110,159 posts)
25. Democrats, in for the win. !!!
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:44 AM
upaloopa (11,417 posts)
28. When polls show Hillary leading they are bogus. When polls show Bernie losing it
is because he lacks name recognition.
So the questions are: 1. Why isn't this poll bogus 2. How can a relevant number people say anything about Bernie if he lacks name recognition? Which is it? |
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:53 AM
DCBob (24,689 posts)
30. Splitting hairs on numbers that mean very little at this point in time.
The most significant number is Hillary's 2-to-1 lead over Bernie in most polls. No need to split hairs there.
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Response to DCBob (Reply #30)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:24 AM
Betty Karlson (7,231 posts)
34. The second important number is how fast that lead shrinks. eom
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:04 AM
FloridaBlues (3,127 posts)
31. First major hurdle getting past Hillary
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:23 AM
Betty Karlson (7,231 posts)
33. This! A thousand times this. K&R/ eom
Response to Attorney in Texas (Original post)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:05 AM
thucythucy (6,692 posts)
36. On the one hand I'm encouraged that Bernie does so well in these polls.
On the other hand, the very idea that roughly 40% of likely voters could possibly support idiots like Cruz, Carson, Trump et al depresses me no end.
In any case, a K & R for this post. |
Response to thucythucy (Reply #36)
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:43 PM
Attorney in Texas (3,373 posts)
37. I want to believe that the support for Trump/Carson/Cruz is really just dissatisfaction with Bush/
Rubio/Christie/Kasich
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Response to Attorney in Texas (Reply #37)
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:04 PM
thucythucy (6,692 posts)
38. I'm afraid the popularity of Trump
says something much more sinister about the state of American politics.
I'm very worried about the future. I hope Bernie gets the nomination, but whoever gets it I hope we Democrats rally around that person to keep the fingers of out and out sociopaths off the nuclear trigger and away from executive power. |