Gravis poll: Romney ahead in Ohio & Florida

[TroyD]

Is this a reliable pollster?

OH-2012 President: 47% Romney (R), 44% Obama (D) (Gravis 9/2)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/oh-2012-president-47-romn_n_1857728.html

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FL-2012 President: 48% Romney (R), 47% Obama (D) (Gravis 9/2)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/fl-2012-president-48-romn_n_1854251.html

[Blue Meany]

1. Must be only of "likely voters." You know, those who do not live in the voter

suppression zones.

[myrna minx]

2. Check out this thread that explores this subject.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021265606

[TroyD]

3. Does it make sense Obama is doing better in FL than OH?

That's what this pollster claims, but you would think it would be the reverse.

[Arkana]

4. I've never even heard of these guys, and their data seems to directly contradict everything coming

out of both states.

[speedoo]

5. Not a reliable pollster.

Shows a consistent rethug bias.

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. It's a Republican front company

A shitty marketing operation run by anti-Obama extremists. This fucking idiot even showed up on DUer earlier yelping like a stuck pig. Pathetic GOP spin, and nothing more.

[MjolnirTime]

7. Strange that you would post data from a discredited pollster here. What's your angle?

[demgrrrll]

10. I would like an answer too but I'm not holding my breath.

[TroyD]

12. Your comment is unacceptable

It is ridiculous to flip out just because a pollster we may not like releases a poll and then accuse someone of ulterior motives just because someone decides to report it here.

[progressivebydesign]

27. In regard to pollsters you don't recognize, it's easy to google them to find out more.

that's what I do. I don't post a poll or source that is unknown, asking what people think. Sadly you got the flak because the tactic of posting republican-pal polls, and feigning ignorance, is a classic troll move.. and has been since the beginning of DU. THat is not what you intended, but you were unfortunately seen with suspicion because of people that do that.

But when in doubt.. everyone needs to take a few minutes to research things before posting... saves the OP lots of grief.

[mac56]

34. This.

[TroyD]

35. That's what I asked in my OP whether it was reliable

I hoped others with more knowledge of this pollster would fill us in.

But I will give myself a spanking and not do it again.

[mac56]

36. It's clear that, unfortunately, you didn't know that this resembles a long-standing troll tactic.

And tension runs a little high about dubious poll reports in these parts.

[TroyD]

11. Pardon me?

I don't have any angle. I think my pro-Obama credentials are well-established from my other posts, so I don't like your tone.

I asked in my original post whether it was a reliable pollster or not. I did not make a presumption that it was. But since this data is being reported in the media we need to discuss it and know what is going on.

[woolldog]

17. This pollster sucks.

But it's a shame that people attack you for posting polls they don't like.

[mac56]

19. It's a shame that polls get posted from pollsters that suck.

Perhaps the OP did not know this pollster sucks. It may be that he or she was given a favor by having that pointed out.

Just sayin'

[woolldog]

22. He should post any and all the polls he wants to.

And if someone has a problem with one of them, critique the poll, don't attack him for giving you info you don't like. More information is never a bad thing.

Plus TroyD posts all the polls. He's a poll junkie.

[mac56]

24. Feedback is a bad thing, then.

Okee-dokee.

Perhaps some of the responses were trying to spare this OP further embarrassment.

[woolldog]

28. Spare him embarasmment from what?

Why should he be embarrassed, he didn't conduct the poll. He just posted that a new poll had come out. And linked the results.

Suggesting he's not an Obama supporter or a bad Dem or a troll or right wing plant because he posts a poll we don't like isn't "feedback." It's bullying.

[mac56]

30. Gotcha.

Will keep that in mind.

[TroyD]

25. Thanks : )

Guess the 2 people above who attacked me haven't seen the 100's of pro-Obama posts I've made, or the thread I posted last night which had Nate Silver's latest prediction of a 76% chance of an Obama win.

Whether we like it or not, RCP and Huffington Post are reporting the Gravis poll and have factored it into their averages, so unfortunately it has brought Obama's numbers down in those states.

Hopefully we'll get some better polling as the DNC proceeds.

[woolldog]

31. ....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=86797

[progressivebydesign]

29. it's not that they "don't like" the polls. It's that the feigned ignorance is a classic move here.

But not what that OP did, but that's how those posts are perceived. It's a classic troll move.. "gosh, just saw this..." Again, not what the OP meant to do, but the pushback has nothing to do with the republican-crony poll, but more about the posting of the poll that could have been easily identified as a republican shill with a few google searches.

[woolldog]

32. As a fellow poll junkie

I want to see EVERYTHING. I want to dive into the numbers and evaluate it myself as well as hear what other people have to say about it. So I'm not in favor of self censorship.

[mac56]

33. Not everyone is as knowledgable about polls as you.

Therefore a bit of framing about the veracity of this pollster would have gone far.

[woolldog]

37. Fair enough

[Viva_La_Revolution]

21. layoff

you are being rude.

[Tarheel_Dem]

38. Ditto! Happens quite frequently.

[movonne]

8. republican tactics!!! make us think that romney is doing

just fine...it's funny that this comes out during the convention...huffington post???they are turning to the right...

[WI_DEM]

9. Gravis is a GOP firm and Obama has been polling well in Ohio except

for this pollster.

[woolldog]

20. Read the fine print in the survey:

"Note: The statistical methodology comprised weighting sex and age groups for anticipated voting proportions for the 2012 General Election"

http://www.scribd.com/doc/104919732/Ohio-Sep-2-2012-Romney-Obama-Mandel-Brown

Whenever I see this type of thing, I'm skeptical.

[former9thward]

39. It depends on what polls you choose to look at.

RCP average of polls shows Obama ahead by just 0.7% in Ohio. Two polls show him ahead, two behind, two tied. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html

[FrenchieCat]

13. bwahahahaha!

Hello TroyD, you are too much!

[PossumSqueezins]

14. Positive Republican Polls can backfire

A poll showing Rombot ahead can just mobilize complacent Dems to vote and redneck Republicans to stay home.

[TroyD]

15. I hope so

Although I don't know if Gravis gets much attention since it's not a well-known pollster and most people haven't heard of it.

I hadn't heard of it before.

The only 'Gravis' I'm familiar with is the monster by that name in the 1984 'Doctor Who' story 'Frontios'. Ever seen it?

[flamingdem]

18. In GD General Discussion there's a post about how Gravis donated to Repukes

Troy you should check that section to avoid putting dupes in this group - there were 4 or 5 posts there about the "stolen taxes"

[EC]

16. I doubt this is right

the votes for Gravis would pull from Rmoney not Obama. That would put Obama ahead.

[former9thward]

40. Gravis is the pollster not a candidate.

[progressivebydesign]

23. Who??? never heard of them. n/t

[SmittynMo]

26. I will never believe polls.

There can't be that many stupid ignorant racist people in this country. Well, I could be wrong

Ya know, NO ONE has EVER called my house. EVER!!!!

[DFW]

41. Here's a suggestion

Rather than first quoting this poll or that, see who relies on it most heavily.

If you google this Gravis poll, you will see that it is heavily trumpeted by a site called "rightspeak.net" and their site is straight out of Karl Rove's smelly back pocket. A typical comment on that site is "Unlike the Obama followers, the Republicans do in fact like to be informed," which is the sort of thing Bill Maher from which likes to makes New Rules concerning allowing people with IQs in single digits to post on your site.

[mikekohr]

42. Internal Polls Show President Obama Up By 9% in Ohio, No Ohio, No 2012 for Romney nt