Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:47 PM Dec 2015

Salon: "The vital Bernie Sanders proposal that no one’s talking about"

link; excerpt:

Bernie Sanders has made a pledge to abolish private prisons in the federal system a centerpiece of his criminal justice reform platform, expounding on it in speeches, tweets and a bill that he introduced in the Senate. “The profit motivation of private companies running prisons works at cross purposes with the goals of criminal justice,” Sanders said, according to USA Today. “Criminal justice and public safety are without a doubt the responsibility of the citizens of our country, not private corporations. They should be carried out by those who answer to voters, not those who answer to investors.”
...
Two key factors have driven prison population growth since the 1980s. One is the length of sentences, which where were increased by measures like the passage of harsh mandatory minimums for drug offenses a tough sentencing guidelines imposed on judges. Another is the percentage of those sentences that a prisoner actually serves, which the abolition of parole greatly extended. Inmates would thenceforth serve the near entirety of their sentence—a so-called determinate sentence—aside from a maximum of 15-percent reduced for good behavior.

Parole eligibility was abolished for all those convicted of committing a federal crime on or after November 1, 1987 as a result of the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984. The impact was swift and severe. Those entering prison in 1996 could expect to serve 87 percent of their sentences behind bars, compared with 58 percent a decade earlier,” according to a study by The Pew Charitable Trusts.

35 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Salon: "The vital Bernie Sanders proposal that no one’s talking about" (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 OP
If her focus groups buy-in, floriduck Dec 2015 #1
No cares about Sanders proposal, they go nowhere: He never get things done lewebley3 Dec 2015 #18
The private prison issue isn't really that important firebrand80 Dec 2015 #2
Contractually mandated minimum occupancy rates are much more than just "optics" arcane1 Dec 2015 #3
+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #7
+10000 Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #26
Wow, strongly disagree dreamnightwind Dec 2015 #4
"No real proof"? Really ... Scuba Dec 2015 #8
+1 Bubzer Dec 2015 #31
That "Fresh thinking" logo? Might want to take that as advice. Bubzer Dec 2015 #11
Oh that hurts. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #28
Glad to be of service! Bubzer Dec 2015 #30
That response was perfect. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #34
People, real people languishing in prison isn't important to you? Wow. nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #14
! Hiraeth Dec 2015 #15
It's only second to getting money out of politics for me. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #19
Wow, I totally disagree. winter is coming Dec 2015 #21
Are you saying there is no profit incentive to send more people to prison? TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #27
K&R -- VERY important issue. senz Dec 2015 #5
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #6
K and effing R Private prisons are yet another stain on America. Scuba Dec 2015 #9
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #10
I totally agree with this proposal. Nitram Dec 2015 #12
K&R nt Live and Learn Dec 2015 #13
Oh, noes! Bernie can't get rid of slave labor in the U.S.! Rich people get richer from it. nt valerief Dec 2015 #16
Private prisons must be abolished Jack Rabbit Dec 2015 #17
They need to go - pronto! KICK. nt. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #20
Privatized prisons are a blight on our society. klook Dec 2015 #22
this blight needs to go. restorefreedom Dec 2015 #23
our party's frontrunner is an employee of the profit prison industry Doctor_J Dec 2015 #24
I read yesterday that Hillary is no longer taking any donations lovemydog Dec 2015 #25
I hope there's earnest traction in that direction on hillary's part. But I wont hold my breath. Bubzer Dec 2015 #32
Maybe after ten polls and five focus groups, she reluctantly agreed Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #35
Great post! TIME TO PANIC Dec 2015 #29
K&R nt raouldukelives Dec 2015 #33
 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
1. If her focus groups buy-in,
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:51 PM
Dec 2015

so wil Hill. But with all that prison lobby money, she'll let it slide when it matters.

firebrand80

(2,760 posts)
2. The private prison issue isn't really that important
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:04 PM
Dec 2015

I don't like it, but it's more an issue of bad optics. It makes us "feel" uncomfortable, but there's no real proof that there's an effort to send more people to prison in exchange for making money for private prison companies.

I would rather see them abolished, but IMO it's low on the to-do list as far as criminal justice reform goes.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
8. "No real proof"? Really ...
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:51 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/09/24/this-judge-sold-children-to-private-prisons-for-cash-hes-going-down-for-28-years/

This Judge Sold Children To Private Prisons For Cash, He’s Going Down For 28 Years


So who was paying cash for these kids? Robert Mericle, builder of the PA and Western PA Child Care juvenile detention centers.

Mericle was handed a one year prison sentence and fines of $2m for his part in the scheme.




Here, get educated ...

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/private-prisons-occupancy-quota-cca-crime

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/6-shocking-revelations-about-how-private-prisons-make-their-money

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
30. Glad to be of service!
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:30 AM
Dec 2015

I can only take so much intellectual dishonesty before my snarkiness bubbles to the surface and my patience evaporates.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
34. That response was perfect.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:02 AM
Dec 2015

One cannot help but wish it wasn't so long. For you to be able to make such a lengthy response is testaament to the magnitude of failure of the private prison policy.

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
19. It's only second to getting money out of politics for me.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:41 PM
Dec 2015

Sweet Teet on Brother Pete your comment is messed up.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
21. Wow, I totally disagree.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:44 PM
Dec 2015

By making prisons for-profit, you create an incentive to fill them, and keep them full, and build even more. That's really bad news for the poor and minorities, who are disproportionately incarcerated.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
27. Are you saying there is no profit incentive to send more people to prison?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:14 AM
Dec 2015

The more inmates, the more prisons.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
17. Private prisons must be abolished
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:24 PM
Dec 2015

This is even more dangerous than the arms industry shilling for war. The very existence and profitability of the prison industry depends on a high incarceration rate, meaning a high crime rate. Here is an industry with a vested interest in social disorder and will likely lobby against enlightened legislation such as decriminalization or legalization of marijuana possession.

The private prison industry is guaranteed to be sociopathalogical. A healthy society should not tolerate it.

klook

(12,154 posts)
22. Privatized prisons are a blight on our society.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:46 PM
Dec 2015

So is the private probation industry. Incarceration should never have been allowed to become a profitable enterprise.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
24. our party's frontrunner is an employee of the profit prison industry
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:09 PM
Dec 2015

She is also the preferred candidate of the 1%, including big media. That's why there is a media blackout about Sanders plan.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
25. I read yesterday that Hillary is no longer taking any donations
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:25 PM
Dec 2015

from the prison for profit industry. I'm sorry I don't have a link to it. I'm wondering if anyone here can provide proof or lack thereof.

I'd like good current information before casting my vote.

I applaud Black Lives Matter and others for bringing this important issue to the forefront. I also applaud Bernie Sanders for making it a significant priority in his policy agenda, not just in his campaign but also prior to even running for the democratic nomination for President.

I applaud Martin O'Malley for taking strong positions on this matter too.

If (and I say if because I do not know for certain) Hillary is also refusing to take money from the for profit prison industry, then I feel we also may be moving from progressive pressures toward genuine actions. I've also read that consensus may be building on this among conservatives / republicans as well, because of the tremendous costs associated with the failed and costly drug war, and the failed and costly private prison industry.

It's much more important to me to keep building consensus to end it than it is to argue the merits of each of our candidates. I know you may not agree with me here Doctor_J. But I feel that if we may be seeing some actuality toward ending for profit prisons, and truly building strong consensus for this to gain traction, then I'd like to know that it is gaining momentum.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
32. I hope there's earnest traction in that direction on hillary's part. But I wont hold my breath.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:58 AM
Dec 2015

I'd have a hard time accepting the idea that hillary stopped taking private prison money out of anything other than political expediency. She's shown a willingness to change her positions purely for political gain. Worse yet, it's taken overwhelming consensus to get her to "change" her views... rather than anything resembling actual leadership.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
35. Maybe after ten polls and five focus groups, she reluctantly agreed
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 10:04 AM
Dec 2015

that the "slave labour by another name" had to be abandoned in the 21st century?

Clinton is a follower, not a leader.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Salon: "The vital Be...