2016 Postmortem
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link; excerpt:Bernie Sanders has made a pledge to abolish private prisons in the federal system a centerpiece of his criminal justice reform platform, expounding on it in speeches, tweets and a bill that he introduced in the Senate. The profit motivation of private companies running prisons works at cross purposes with the goals of criminal justice, Sanders said, according to USA Today. Criminal justice and public safety are without a doubt the responsibility of the citizens of our country, not private corporations. They should be carried out by those who answer to voters, not those who answer to investors.
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Two key factors have driven prison population growth since the 1980s. One is the length of sentences, which where were increased by measures like the passage of harsh mandatory minimums for drug offenses a tough sentencing guidelines imposed on judges. Another is the percentage of those sentences that a prisoner actually serves, which the abolition of parole greatly extended. Inmates would thenceforth serve the near entirety of their sentencea so-called determinate sentenceaside from a maximum of 15-percent reduced for good behavior.
Parole eligibility was abolished for all those convicted of committing a federal crime on or after November 1, 1987 as a result of the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984. The impact was swift and severe. Those entering prison in 1996 could expect to serve 87 percent of their sentences behind bars, compared with 58 percent a decade earlier, according to a study by The Pew Charitable Trusts.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)so wil Hill. But with all that prison lobby money, she'll let it slide when it matters.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)I don't like it, but it's more an issue of bad optics. It makes us "feel" uncomfortable, but there's no real proof that there's an effort to send more people to prison in exchange for making money for private prison companies.
I would rather see them abolished, but IMO it's low on the to-do list as far as criminal justice reform goes.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)So who was paying cash for these kids? Robert Mericle, builder of the PA and Western PA Child Care juvenile detention centers.
Mericle was handed a one year prison sentence and fines of $2m for his part in the scheme.
Here, get educated ...
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/private-prisons-occupancy-quota-cca-crime
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/6-shocking-revelations-about-how-private-prisons-make-their-money
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)"no real proof"? - Really?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-yankovich/be-careful-private-prison_b_8144860.html
Absolutely no real proof?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rashad-robinson/private-prisons-the-case-for-divestment_b_4675859.html
None at all?
https://represent.us/action/private-prisons-1/
You're certain of this?
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/1905:the-corrupt-corporate-incarceration-complex
Absolutely certain?
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/01/how_private_prisons_game_the_system/
Well, that's a relief.
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/09/stunning-chart-shows-corruption-and-inefficiency-of-private-prison-system-in-america/
For a second there, I thought there might be an epidemic.
http://www.correctionsproject.com/corrections/pris_priv.htm
That would be tragic.
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/6-shocking-revelations-about-how-private-prisons-make-their-money
Almost, civil-rights-violating kind of tragic.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/private-prisons-occupancy-quota-cca-crime
Good thing there's no "real proof".
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Facts really send them over the edge.
GREAT post!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)I can only take so much intellectual dishonesty before my snarkiness bubbles to the surface and my patience evaporates.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)One cannot help but wish it wasn't so long. For you to be able to make such a lengthy response is testaament to the magnitude of failure of the private prison policy.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Sweet Teet on Brother Pete your comment is messed up.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)By making prisons for-profit, you create an incentive to fill them, and keep them full, and build even more. That's really bad news for the poor and minorities, who are disproportionately incarcerated.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)The more inmates, the more prisons.
senz
(11,945 posts)Thanks again, AiT.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, Attorney in Texas.
Nitram
(22,794 posts)How will Bernie go about passing this?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)This is even more dangerous than the arms industry shilling for war. The very existence and profitability of the prison industry depends on a high incarceration rate, meaning a high crime rate. Here is an industry with a vested interest in social disorder and will likely lobby against enlightened legislation such as decriminalization or legalization of marijuana possession.
The private prison industry is guaranteed to be sociopathalogical. A healthy society should not tolerate it.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)klook
(12,154 posts)So is the private probation industry. Incarceration should never have been allowed to become a profitable enterprise.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)shameful in 2015.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)She is also the preferred candidate of the 1%, including big media. That's why there is a media blackout about Sanders plan.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)from the prison for profit industry. I'm sorry I don't have a link to it. I'm wondering if anyone here can provide proof or lack thereof.
I'd like good current information before casting my vote.
I applaud Black Lives Matter and others for bringing this important issue to the forefront. I also applaud Bernie Sanders for making it a significant priority in his policy agenda, not just in his campaign but also prior to even running for the democratic nomination for President.
I applaud Martin O'Malley for taking strong positions on this matter too.
If (and I say if because I do not know for certain) Hillary is also refusing to take money from the for profit prison industry, then I feel we also may be moving from progressive pressures toward genuine actions. I've also read that consensus may be building on this among conservatives / republicans as well, because of the tremendous costs associated with the failed and costly drug war, and the failed and costly private prison industry.
It's much more important to me to keep building consensus to end it than it is to argue the merits of each of our candidates. I know you may not agree with me here Doctor_J. But I feel that if we may be seeing some actuality toward ending for profit prisons, and truly building strong consensus for this to gain traction, then I'd like to know that it is gaining momentum.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)I'd have a hard time accepting the idea that hillary stopped taking private prison money out of anything other than political expediency. She's shown a willingness to change her positions purely for political gain. Worse yet, it's taken overwhelming consensus to get her to "change" her views... rather than anything resembling actual leadership.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)that the "slave labour by another name" had to be abandoned in the 21st century?
Clinton is a follower, not a leader.
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)The whole idea of private industry profiting from people being sent to prison is sick!