Bernie says the President got it RIGHT in his Sunday address.

[pnwmom]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2016-presidential-candidates-react-to-obamas-oval-office-address-on-isis/

On the Democratic side, Bernie Sanders agreed with the president. "President Obama is right," he wrote in his statement. "ISIS will be destroyed with an international coalition in which Muslim troops on the ground are supported by the United States, United Kingdom, France, Russia and other leading powers."

And Hillary also has called for greater help from other powers in the region, while ruling out US ground forces.
http://learningenglish.voanews.com/content/oval-office-address-obama-calms-amricans/3091754.html

She added the United States needs "much better help" from Sunni and Kurdish groups on the ground fighting the insurgents, but ruled out sending in U.S. ground forces, as has President Barack Obama.

[Scootaloo]

1. So does that mean you'll now be claiming the president is totally wrong, or what?

[pnwmom]

2. I couldn't finish my posting fast enough. If you look again,

you'll see that Bernie and Hillary are united in supporting the President's approach.

Despite the fact that some DUers think their "grumpy old man" would disagree with Obama.

[Cha]

15. I'm sorry they're harassing you.

[seabeyond]

22. true that. I was reading last night, as I was off to bed, that it was horrible what Obama said,

per the Sanders supporters. Now I guess they are gonna be in agreement with Obama since they got the tip of the hat from Sanders, lol.

[Cha]

23. And, what was so "horrible" about what President Obama said? It was excellent .. so many

people appreciated it.. except Tweety and the teabaggers.

[seabeyond]

31. Ya, well, that would be the gist of it. Just out of the shoot, insult the president or Clinton.

I really do not bother much listening to the insults, for insult sake. When we are at the point of calling our Democrats, Republicans, I am pretty much done reading.

Sanders supporters are gonna have to be careful with that foreign policy stuff though. Sanders really only piggy backs on that, when situations arise, because he doesn't have a lot of interest in that. He is focused on economic equality. So, Sanders supporters need to wait a bit before dissing Clinton or Obama, because Sanders is likely to simply agree, so he can get back to his focus.

[Cha]

33. "...because Sanders is likely to simply agree, so he can get back to his focus." Good call!

[Scootaloo]

41. Nobody called it horrible, Cha.

[marym625]

46. you mean like the illegal, immoral, for profit war in Iraq?

Yeah, I've seen justification for that vote for it, and even for the war itself, from people here that support Clinton.

[seabeyond]

51. Right along with supporting the military action in Kosovo, not supporting vote in 2001 to oppose

war in Afghanistan, his support for appropriations to support both the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and only a gradual withdrawal from Iraq and funding Iraq and when impeachment was on the table for Bush, saying impeachment was impractical. That immorality? Or is the immorality wrapped up all in one red bowed vote?

[BlueCaliDem]

52. Oh those stinging truths, seabeyond...those painfully stinging truths...

[Cha]

56. They can't stand the "stinging truths".. only focused on how bad bad bad President Obama is. BS is

Freaking Perfect. Dontcha know?

[marym625]

55. no, more like voting for, excusing and even championing

For the illegal, immoral, for profit war in Iraq.

I love that people complain about funding our troops when war is happening. Being the relative of more than a few first and second cousins, and a foster child, that were in that illegal, immoral, war for profit, and was part of one of the many groups buying flak jackets and other protective equipment for our troops because the military wasn't funded enough to protect our troops, I find this complaint to be the most disingenuous, despicable, complaint out there.

Keep posting that.

[seabeyond]

59. Champion my ass and that is as far as I for in your post. We disagree

[merrily]

60. Hmmm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=74854

[marym625]

62. I don't think anything makes my blood boil like the bullshit

About not funding our troops. Nothing. And anyone that was there, unprotected, or the family and friends at home, putting out their money, getting contributions, buying and packing up supplies for those kids, our loved ones, who were used to gain profits for those criminals, unprotected and harmed so greatly, knows how I feel.
Despicable.

[merrily]

63. Equating voting for funding with voting for a war or a surge is cynical nonsense.

The troops were using silver from tin foil and gum wrappers! They were asking for things like toothpaste. It was unreal.

[marym625]

64. I know. I'll never forget

Ever

[Aerows]

7. There is some sort of spin in here somewhere

but I think that the bearings ran around and then went "Oh" when they realized what they were saying, then threw one.

[Cha]

14. "Think I'll screencap it for archives." yeah you do that.

[Aerows]

9. Just in case it goes missing :)

[UglyGreed]

44. Wow

hidden.....

[senz]

48. Appreciate you, Aerows

you're one of the best. Sorry they got you. Please protect yourself.

There will always be noise to deal with, but we have a higher mission.

[George II]

35. Why would anyone claim that because Clinton and Sanders agree with Obama?

Why not comment on the content of the OP, tell us how YOU feel about what the President said, and if you agree with it?

First response to the OP and it's a commentary on the poster, not the post itself.

[jeff47]

36. That would require the OP to have some contents to comment upon. (nt)

[Scootaloo]

40. Well, when I posted, there was no content to the OP, George.

And simply because, as far as I can see, Clinton supporters firmly believe Bernie is always absolutely wrong, even evil, on every subject. So if he says the president is right about something, then wouldn't that mean the president must actually be wrong, by your logic?

[George II]

42. You make a lot of wrong assumptions there.

[Scootaloo]

45. Not according to the content posted by Clinton posters here and on the Clinton Cave

[marym625]

3. I'm confused about this post

Bernie Sanders has always stated that ISIS must be fought and that it's the Muslim nations that should have ground troops. That's not new.,

Just this morning he said, “What I would say (to the American people) is that we have got to be as aggressive as we can in destroying ISIS, but we have to learn the lessons of the past, and that means we cannot do it alone. It must be an international coalition, in which the Muslim nations are the troops on the ground."

Since you support Hillary, I don't know what you are trying to make clear here. Sorry.

[pnwmom]

4. Maybe you missed this one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=880222

Tonight our POTUS stood before the American people and asked us to do three things.
Do next to nothing about guns
Go to war
Be kind to Muslims.

He said NOTHING about the REAL problems this country faces.

I’m ready for a “grumpy” old man to take over. I’m ready for Bernie to stand up to the injustices of the world like Obama promised, yet refused to do.

Our candidates are uniting behind Obama. Their supporters should be, too.

[Cha]

5. There always has to be those people who like to disingenuously whine about President Obama..

they're only hurting themselves

Of course President Obama got it right. Thank you, pnwmom.

Your OP is very clear.

[Thinkingabout]

17. Jury results

On Mon Dec 7, 2015, 09:46 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

There always has to be those people who like to disingenuously whine about President Obama..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=880438

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"those people who like to disingenuously whine"
This is in response to a link to another post, accusing the person who wrote it of whining. It's a callout and is rude and oot since the poster is not even in this thread.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 7, 2015, 09:53 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Unable to find information alluded to in alert, did not see alert worthy in this post. Have to vote to leave based on the post.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
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Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: No explanation given

[Cha]

18. Thank you, Thinkingabout! Awwww what a shame they couldn't hide my post. lol

Love ya!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. You are in the crosshairs, Cha...I got a hide for defending myself for being a liar.

EOM

[Cha]

32. Oh, I'm sorry, DSB. Some hides are deserved.. and they damn well needed it.. but,

defending yourself against an insult doesn't fit the criteria for censorship.

[marym625]

37. I did miss it.

And because I like you and don't believe you are among those that are on this board that are so very disingenuous, I'm not going to get into with you. Not in the way some hope.

I did miss that post. While I don't completely agree with it, I don't completely disagree either.

The problem I have is we do have ground troops fighting ISIS. We are, undeniably, a big part of the reason ISIS exists and is armed to the teeth. But putting our military on the ground, or even in the air, in any fight in the middle east will only make things worse. We've done so much harm in the middle east it's mind boggling.

I honestly don't care who is saying what when it comes to this war. While I believe we should help with intel, with embargoes, with anything we can do to find and cut off financing to ISIS, I don't think we should do anything more.

If there's any lesson in the decades of our getting into middle east conflict, it's we should not get into middle east conflict

[senz]

49. +1000

Goes beyond truth to wisdom. And, not coincidentally, this is what Bernie has been saying.

Bernie, who writes his own position papers.

[marym625]

50. +1000!

"Bernie, who writes his own position papers"

#FeelTheBern #Bernie2016

[Scootaloo]

10. Of course, not too long ago they were snarling and snapping at Sanders for saying that

"LOL ROFL HE SAID MUSLIM NATIONS NEED TO STEP UP LMAO!"

[Aerows]

11. Lord. I guess I'll find some more screen shots

later, but this one was damned priceless.

[Scootaloo]

12. Too bad you didn't get the two prior versions of the OP post

[Aerows]

13. I know, was about to make coffee.

[JaneyVee]

26. Every one has been saying Muslim nations need to step up.

Even Bush. But he failed to do so.

[beam me up scottie]

28. Bernie failed to do so? Really? From March:

Sanders blasts Saudi Arabia for suggesting US troops against ISIS

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) ripped Saudi Arabia Friday after the nation’s top diplomat suggested the U.S. would have to deploy ground troops to ultimately defeat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

“I find it remarkable that Saudi Arabia, which borders Iraq and is controlled by a multi-billion dollar family, is demanding that U.S. combat troops have ‘boots on the ground’ against ISIS. Where are the Saudi troops?” Sanders, a potential 2016 presidential candidate, said in a statement.

“With the third largest military budget in the world and an army far larger than ISIS, the Saudi government must accept its full responsibility for stability in their own region of the world,” he added.

The sharp words come the day after Prince Saud al-Faisal, the Saudi foreign minister, expressed concern that Iran’s military is increasing its support to Baghdad’s forces in the fight against the terror group, especially around the city of Tikrit.

...

Sanders flatly rejected the notion that America must lead the vanguard against ISIS.

“Ultimately, this is a profound struggle for the soul of Islam, and the anti-ISIS Muslim nations must lead that fight. While the United States and other western nations should be supportive, the Muslim nations must lead,” he said.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/234907-sanders-blast-saudi-arabia-for-suggesting-us-troops-against-isis

Don't you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself?

[JaneyVee]

30. Bush failed to do so.

Ever get tired of following me around and embarrassing yourself?

[beam me up scottie]

34. Lol! Nice try! Read your post again: "Even Bush."

JaneyVee

26. Every one has been saying Muslim nations need to step up.

Even Bush. But he failed to do so.

You just make this shit up as you go along.

"following me around"

[senz]

47. +1000

Like our most worthy candidate for president, you're a truth-teller, bmus.

But please, good woman, be careful of frivolous alerts. We need you.

[marym625]

38. Yeah, I know.

Blind faith. Don't get it.

[newfie11]

19. +infinity

[marym625]

39. that's my first +infinity! Thanks! :)

[newfie11]

57. Happy to help

[Aerows]

6. Yes, I agree that the President was right, and Bernie agreed.

See, we can all get along.

Bernie Sanders was right, as was President Obama.

[Cha]

16. Of course President Obama is right. Anybody can see that.. who isn't a freaking rwinger

that wants WAR.

[Vattel]

20. The article is incorrect. Clinton didn't rule out American ground troops.

Unless I am remembering wrong (please tell me if I am), she ruled out 100,000 or more American ground troops.

[pnwmom]

21. More here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-cant-conceive-any-condition-for-combat-troops/

"I agree with the president's point that we're not putting American combat troops back into Syria or Iraq. We are not going to do that," the Democratic presidential frontrunner told CBS News' Charlie Rose in a sit-down interview.


Rose interjected and asked whether Clinton would still hold that position under any circumstances.

"Well, at this point, I cannot conceive of any circumstances where I would agree to do that because I think the best way to defeat ISIS is as I've said ... from the air, which we lead, on the the ground, which we enable, empower, train, equip, and in cyberspace where, don't forget, they are a formidable adversary online," Clinton said.

At the same time, the former secretary of state said, "We don't know how many special forces are needed," or the number of trainers and surveillance or enablers needed to assist in the fight.

[Vattel]

27. Okay, good, that is much more definitive. Thx!

[marym625]

43. she certainly alludes to it

Clinton seemed to think that message might not go far enough. "I think ...that's what we'll hear from the president, an intensification of the existing strategy," she said, in response to a question from George Stephanopoulos on ABC's "This Week." "And I think there's some additional steps we have to take."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/06/clinton-says-u-s-is-not-winning-the-war-against-the-islamic-state/

[JaneyVee]

24. I honestly cannot imagine Bernie Sanders giving that speech on National security..

That speech seemed well beyond his grasp.

[Vinca]

25. Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

If he reacts the way the pundits and Republicans running for office want him to, he'll be called a dangerous warmonger. If he acts with restraint he's a cowardly, ignorant Muslim. There is one running theme that goes either way, though. It seems to be universally accepted that it's foolish to tell the enemy what you plan to do ahead of time. Unless, of course, you're Obama and then you must rattle your saber and show your balls to give the warmongers a hard on. I don't know what people expected from that speech, but it was obviously too much. Bernie is only being realistic and, to his credit, not trashing the POTUS as so many others are this morning. The saber rattling is so bad this morning, there are actually sane people calling into the "Washington Journal" trying to even out the crazies.

[BlueCaliDem]

53. Oh, my, Vinca, brilliant post! +1000!

And although I know it's written in earnest, not meant to be humorous, I just had to laugh out loud when I read some parts - especially the saber and balls part.

[BlueCaliDem]

54. Of course President Obama is right. He's been calling for an international coalition to fight

terrorists and terrorism during his 2007 campaign.

And it was SoS Hillary Clinton who had to and has repaired relationships with our foreign allies since Duhbya and Cheney all but shattered those all-important bonds with their stupid "old Europe" rhetoric.

[Todays_Illusion]

58. I agree with Bernie Sanders the speech was exactly right.

[Cha]

61. The only ones who didn't think so.. are a few who always need to gripe about the President and

of course the teabaggers and the US media that wants another war.