I can't post in the Bernie group

[pnwmom]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Spazito (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

so I can't tell people there what a beautiful moment that was with the young Muslim woman, when he told her about his father.

But it was.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Thank you for that. And yes, it was a beautiful moment.

[ibegurpard]

2. So you lead with "I can't post in the Bernie group"

And expect anyone to take you seriously on this? I can certainly see why you can't post in the Bernie group.

[pnwmom]

3. I wanted to post this in the Bernie group to increase the chance of Bernie people seeing it.

I'm not sure what your problem is with that, but okay.

[ibegurpard]

5. the point of your post

Was to say "see what a nice and magnanimous person I am and can you believe those awful Bernie people have banned me from their group???"
You wouldn't have led it the way you did if this was not the case.

[KMOD]

7. You need to chill out.

It was a nice post that was supportive of Bernie Sanders.

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. Wow ... the bunker mentality is getting really strong ...

In some quarters of DU.

[Agschmid]

49. Yup.

[earthside]

59. No, it wasn't.

It was a passive aggressive attack ... as usual from a Hillarian.

[cherokeeprogressive]

75. Passive/aggressive is EXACTLY what it was... good call. n/t

[Agschmid]

79. Like your sig line?

Passive aggressive is all over DU.

[merrily]

92. Come on, now. Sig lines have always been treated differently from the body of an OP.

[Agschmid]

101. Yes some people (from both sides) use them as a tool to instigate.

Me, not so much.

[merrily]

103. Not the point. The point is that sig lines have always been given more leeway that the body of an OP

[Agschmid]

104. Why?

It's just as disruptive.

[merrily]

107. Dunno why, but they have been. Maybe because they give the option to turn off sig lines?

[Agschmid]

108. Yah well they shouldn't be.

The bug smash was classless, the anti-Bernie, and anti-Clinton stuff is sig lines is terrible.

I usually browse mobile so I don't see them, and then when I get on a laptop I'm always so annoyed to see all the hateful stuff people put in them.

Over the top in many.

[merrily]

109. Again, point was that sig lines are given more leeway than the body of an OP.

If you think they shouldn't be, maybe take it up with Skinner in ATA. However, I have a feeling he will tell you that you can avoid seeing them.

[Agschmid]

110. I usually do avoid it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

120. I didn't realize my sig line was passive. I'll have to work on that. Thanks!

[Agschmid]

78. And name calling is just an aggressive attack.

Classy.

[merrily]

93. Wow! What name was called? Hillarian? Jaysus. Bernie Bros, Bernistas, Sandernistas.

Berners.

BTW, I can't ever recall ever seeing a post of yours will facts, substance, analysis etc. It's always some post like this.

[Agschmid]

100. If suggest doing a search you'd find plenty.

But hey you just want to get in your dig as well.

[merrily]

102. I read a lot here almost every day. I recall seeing MANY of your posts, but not a one that is

substantive. That is a truthful statement on my part. Call it whatever you will.

[Agschmid]

105. Well to be fair I gave up on most of the substance lately, no point.

The rest of the website is another story, but GDP there is no point.

I work my ass off for my candidate and that's what really matters.

[merrily]

87. yep, much like the posts denying that are passive aggressive or outright aggressive.

[bvf]

25. Spot on.

And if anyone was really interested, the information is right there in "About.." at the Sanders group.

You nailed it, ibegurpard.

[riversedge]

58. Here---have a cookie--It might sweeten you up....

Have a cookie.

Hillary for NH Retweeted
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Because @HillaryforNH volunteers are the best! Lucky to work with such an amazing crew everyday #Hillary2016

[Cha]

68. You are too funny!

[Thinkingabout]

84. Just in time for Christmas, beautiful.

[kath]

8. So why not edit and start with something like "It was such a beautiful moment between Bernie and the

Young Muslim woman"??

[pnwmom]

9. I just wrote off the top of my head. I didn't expect the vitriol for a positive post.

But I guess I shouldn't be as surprised as I am.

[Matariki]

13. It was a nice post

and I will look up what you are referring to because I haven't seen it yet.

[Fawke Em]

55. Here you go:

[Fawke Em]

57. P.S. I love how she is holding her Khumur together with a Bernie button.

[senz]

115. If the kids at that rally are the future of America

then maybe I don't need to worry so much. Their responses brought tears to my eyes.

Bernie brings out the best in all who listen to him.

We need someone of that caliber in the presidency.

[JI7]

20. it wasn't a positive post because you didn't mention what exactly happened

it was more about you complaining about being banned from that group .

[pnwmom]

24. I figured the Bernie people would know what I was talking about.

Oh well.

[Bluenorthwest]

52. You lead with yourself not with the moment, the girl or Bernie. It's an OP about you.

The other day I got a PM banning me from the Hillary Group. Don't think I've ever even posted in it. Got a mean, nasty PM out of the blue.

[merrily]

94. Vitriol! Oh, the pejorative hyperbole and drama!

[ibegurpard]

125. of course you expected it

That's exactly why you worded it the way you did. Lets you play the martyr.

[Autumn]

45. A nice sentiment, thanks. I'm sure Bernie supporters saw it.

[Omaha Steve]

71. This is new to me

With so much going on I missed this. It happens.

A couple months ago I started a post here in GD-P with "I was going to post in the Hillary group but I'm banned" and got messages from hosts immediately that was META, edit the title of get it locked. I edited the title. It was a reply that complimented Hillary.

Anyway I'm glad this post put the video on my screen.

OS

[Autumn]

73. I'm glad you saw it OS, it was a wonderful moment.

[merrily]

95. Good thing there are no double standards at DU, right?

[merrily]

82. You led by complaining pointlessly about not being able to post in the Bernie Sanders Group.

That added nothing to your post, nor did it make your post any more visible to members of the Bernie Group. You could have posted a link to what you were referencing and stated your view. Instead, you led by a dig. I am not sure what your problem with seeing that is.

[pnwmom]

127. I was stating a fact, not complaining. You hear what you want to hear. n/t

[merrily]

128. A fact that added absolutely nothing to your post but a complaint about the Sanders Group.

Last edited Thu Dec 10, 2015, 04:40 PM - Edit history (1)

We're not brand new.

[pnwmom]

130. Since when does every single word in a post have to be gone over with a fine tooth comb?

Lighten up, merrily.

[merrily]

131. LOL! I am light. I often LOL at disingenous bs.

[questionseverything]

134. nice to be able to rec one of ur threads

(see that was passive aggressive since it lets peops know i generally can not rec ur threads) lol

but sincerely i come to find the news and i would not of seen that beautiful moment if you hadn't posted so thank you

[Matariki]

12. please stop.

It was a gracious post.

[ejbr]

38. +1

Although it could have a serriptious way to say something that was negative to Bernie supporters, it wasn't.

[Agschmid]

80. Yup.

[merrily]

96. The OP began with a whine about the Bernie Sanders Group that had no point or purpose.

Not sure why you think that is gracious.

[ibegurpard]

126. it most certainly was not

[artislife]

4. I am trying to understand your posts of late.

And the reasons you chose the words you do. I

[Skidmore]

31. pnwmom is one of the nicest and most respectful of DUers I've met

over the years. She always is considerate of others and fair in her comments. Perhaps you would do well to understand that there are people in this world who do not game every word but speak from the heart and with decency.

[FSogol]

43. +1. n/t

[Agschmid]

50. +1

[m-lekktor]

54. ROFL!!

this place is comedy gold sometimes!

[Skidmore]

60. And who might you be?

I don't believe I've met you before in all of my years here.

[jeff47]

69. Sure! That's why she started this "positive" thread with an attack

Those mean Sanders supporters won't let me post in their clubhouse..........but this was nice.

[Skidmore]

70. ...

[merrily]

76. That certainly has not been my experience of pwnmom.

[JonLeibowitz]

81. Indeed...

just yesterday pnwmom tried to argue that simply saying the LA Times is a better paper than the Latin Times is offensive to Latinos. That too to defend blatant lies and an ultimately hidden OP.

[merrily]

85. I will say only that my experience differs greatly from what skidmore describes.

[JonLeibowitz]

86. Is listing facts risking a hide now? Perhaps I should edit my post..

[merrily]

89. I have no idea what risks a hide, when running people off DU is a goal.

However, I had a number of reasons for limiting my own response as I did. It was no reflection at all on what you posted.

[Skidmore]

90. The one thing I can always be assured of is that

she will thoroughly research before responding and will not indulge poor arguments or faulty reasoning. I respect that. And, I might add, she never will respond with the ugliness that seems to be the preferred method of discourse this season. When I have received corrective feedback from her, I have paid attention because she has been able to point out to me the information I was missing. I respect her opinions and her intellect.

[merrily]

91. Again, your experience of pwnmom differs from mine.

[notadmblnd]

135. Nor mine.

nt

[artislife]

77. We have had lovely exchanges

Many times through Spring and Summer.

I backed her up this summer when something she wrote was being heavily attacked. I thought her words came out in a way that was being misunderstood. I felt I saw her heart and knew she wasn't saying what it sounded like.


But lately, to me, her OPs have lost a lot of that heart I saw. I am talking about my own awareness. Perhaps, she still doesn't mean it the way I read them. I am asking her for assurance, I suppose.

[Douglas Carpenter]

141. oh come on!! There is really no need for sarcasm

[Skidmore]

143. Who is being sarcastic?

Not me. She is my friend and a lovely person to know. There are real people behind usernames.

[Betty Karlson]

6. Indeed it was. Thanks for pointing it out. eom

[OnyxCollie]

10. Oh, those no good, terrible, very bad people.

Blocking you and all.

Scourge of the earth, they are.

That settles it; I'm voting for Hillary.

[KMOD]

11. Some of you eat your own.

She mentioned something nice about Bernie, and yet, ...

[OnyxCollie]

14. She started with a criticism

before she said something nice.

Bless your heart for scolding me.

[KMOD]

15. For crying out loud.

Here,

[youtube]

[/youtube]

That's what she was complimenting.

Nobody scolded you. But your priorities are very odd.

[OnyxCollie]

16. FFS.

Here,

"I can't post in the Bernie group"

The inability to spot rudeness among one's peer group is characteristic of Hillary supporters.

[bvf]

27. I wouldn't call it "inability." n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. Or ffs, that line could be ...

To explain why she didn't respond in the thread she was speaking of.

[Cha]

17. Pnwmom needs to "edit"! She can't be intimating that she was blocked from BS group.. that needs to

be swept under the rug.

If they hadn't said anything.. this whole thread would be about Bernie and what he did.. instead it's about how they don't like people knowing they block in their group. What's the BFD?.. all groups do it.

[JI7]

19. i agree

this type of thread is more about complaints about being blocked .

[1StrongBlackMan]

47. I disagree ...

But, then, I try hard to not ascribe evil motive to the actions of others

[Cha]

67. I was being sarcastic.. she doesn't really need to edit.

[pugetres]

28. Thanks for posting the video

I had not seen it yet.

[artislife]

83. Thanks for posting the video

The choice words in these posts are such in contrast to that wonderful exchange between Bernie and the young woman.

[merrily]

97. We know what she was complimenting and we also know how she chose to start her OP.

Your denying the obvious doesn't change a thing.

[artislife]

119. It is the feint surprise that amuses. nt

[merrily]

121. Yes, um...amuses. Actually, it's not only the beginning of her OP, it's the title.

It's how it shows up on the Latest Threads page.

[ibegurpard]

129. do you find the poster's priorities

To be very "telling"?

[workinclasszero]

65. ...gets slammed by Bernie fans anyway.

Winning hearts and minds to Bernies campaign like always.

Good job guys, keep it up! SMH

[JI7]

18. If you want People to see that moment you should delete this thread

and start another one which is about this moment itself and not about being banned from a group .

other people will post the positive news in the group as people always do.

[pnwmom]

23. I'm not going to encourage over-sensitivity. Sorry. n/t

[m-lekktor]

48. yeah it's more important for you to get this passive aggressive dig against Bernie supporters in.

which is much more important to you than sincerely commenting on this nice Bernie moment which I am certain you could care less about.

[ibegurpard]

133. yup

It was all about you and how those mean people kept you out of their group. Climb off your cross.

[beam me up scottie]

21. So you just had to make that beautiful moment all about you instead of them.

[merrily]

98. She made it about how the Bernie Group blocked her (implied: unfairly).

Meanwhile, the hosts of the Bernie Sanders Group are a heck of lot more tolerant than the host of the Hillary Group, and I am very sure posting in the Bernie Group in support of Sanders does not get anyone blocked.

[McCamy Taylor]

22. I can't either. Because I said I would vote for the party nominee.

Welcome to under the bus.

[Kentonio]

26. Check the numbers of people

Who are banned from the Bernie group and the Clinton group, and get back to us.

[pnwmom]

40. Actually there are fewer PROPORTIONATELY blocked from the Hillary group

because we all know that there are many more Bernie supporters on DU than Hillary supporters.

[bvf]

41. If you want to talk true proportionality

compare each group's actual subscribership to its own number of blocked members. That's proportionality.

It's not even close.

In fact, when I posted the hard numbers a short time ago, the lopsidedness was apparently so alarming (embarrassing?) to someone that the post actually elicited an alert.

[Kentonio]

66. The Hillary group is considerably smaller & less active yet has almost twice as many people blocked

Probably because they block people for next to nothing. I got mine for questioning one of the mods assertion that ""Dynasty" directed at Hillary is sexist demagoguery. do not respect anyone who resorts to that.".

Apparently ridiculous statements have to be protected from any questioning there.

[Autumn]

136. These are the numbers for both groups.

The Hillary group that has been here on DU since this new DU was created.
Number of posts, All time: 29,516
Number of blocked posters : 308
Number of subscribers: 241
Number of people trashing: 144

The Sanders group which was created in April of this year. That was when Bernie got his many supporters here so I disagree that there are fewer PROPORTIONATELY blocked from the Hillary group. There were at the least over 50 blocked before the Sanders group was created.

Number of posts, All time: 81,964
Number of blocked posters : 176 and a few of those are banned trolls.
Number of subscribers: 773
Number of people trashing: 101

[merrily]

137. The hosts of the Sanders Group are much less likely to block than the hosts of the Hillary

Group and they block only those who post to undermine Bernie Sanders.

I got blocked from the Hillary Group for posting that the left of the Democratic Party is not the far left before i realized I was in the Hillary Group. Posting that DUs right is not the far right never would have resulted in a block in the Bernie Sanders Group. So many others have stories about comments that were as neutral as mine or were even more innocuous.

[Autumn]

148. I got blocked because a host said something untrue about me. I posted in my defense

and not 5 seconds after I clicked post I was blocked.

[merrily]

150. That stinks! Sounds as though that may have been alert-worthy

[R B Garr]

144. So there weren't enough Sander's supporters here

to start a group before April?? Wow, I didn't realize he was so inconsequential here until just a few months ago. That's interesting.

[Autumn]

147. The group didn't exist until after he made his announcement he was running for

President.

[Number23]

138. The number of subscribers does nothing but bolster your point about there being a very high number

of Sanders supporters here making the high number of blocks in that group incredibly strange. But it would make sense if you think that there seem to be more than half as many blocks in the Sanders group as there are subscribers to the Hillary group and that number will likely rise.

But some are working hard to not understand that incredibly simple point. The comments in this thread are probably some of the most absurd and embarrassing I've ever seen here.

[NCTraveler]

42. What percentage of active posters are Sanders supporters.

Now make that argument. Lol

[Cha]

32. More intruders come into Hillary's group so we have more BLOCKed posters. I would never

go into the BS group to disrupt.

OTOH if a BS fan came into Hill's group and said they would vote for the party's nominee they wouldn't be BLOCKED. Because they're obviously not there to disrupt.

[senz]

35. That is not the only criteria for being blocked by the Hillary group.

Y'all blocked me because I gave the history of my assessment of Hillary (liked her as flotus, questioned her carpetbagging, disappointed by certain crucial Senate votes, shocked and totally disillusioned by her behavior in the 2008 campaign.) And so y'all banned me. But it's okay, because in the months that followed, I got to know what y'all are like.

[merrily]

99. Enough of us have had experience with both groups to know that is bull puckies as to both groups.

[senz]

37. That doesn't even make any sense.

[merrily]

112. Very implausible, knowing how the hosts of the Bernie Sanders Group operate

because we observe that every day.

[workinclasszero]

146. Wow voting for the democratic nominee

Is a banable offense in the Bernie group?

That's insane, terribad, crazy on a democratic message board.

Just damn.

[senz]

29. I can't post in the Hillary Group --- WAH!

They won't let me, those meanies.

[beam me up scottie]

30. Yep. This isn't a positive op about Bernie, it's a slam against his supporters for banning her.

If she wanted us to see the "beautiful moment" and comment on it she would have posted the video.

Obvious poster is obvious.

[senz]

33. It would be more effective if the HRC group weren't banning MORE people

than the Bernie group.

I think everyone who's banned from the Hillary group should post a comment like mine. We could fill up the thread in no time and make the OP look silly. Yeah, it's a shame someone should spoil something good with a put-down opening like that. The Bernie thread is a good refuge w/useful information.

Nice to see you, bmus. When good guys (gals) disappear for a couple of days, I worry -- but I just learned that people's profiles show their status, so that should help w/the worrying.

I hope all's well with you. I'll be hitting the sack quite soon. Stay safe, nice lady. Luv ya.

[beam me up scottie]

34. That's what she wanted, to turn this into a thread about those AWFUL Bernie supporters.

And it's working, they're coming out of the woodwork to trade horror stories, so traumatic!

Trying to ruin a positive thread in the Bernie group by complaining about being blocked, what a lousy thing to do.


And I'm not going anywhere, senz, don't worry.

You take care too ---

[senz]

36. Thanks, bmus.

For people who think they're so far "ahead," they certainly try hard to damage their "behind" competition.

Rather incongruous, imho.

[m-lekktor]

56. do you think she would have even posted about this event otherwise? nt

[Agschmid]

51. So your goal is make the OP look silly...

Noted.

[senz]

114. I've told you before, Agschmid: Back off.

Stop harassing me.

[Agschmid]

116. Responding to a post is NOT harassment.

[senz]

117. It was personal (it always is) and it was threatening.

Leave me alone.

[ejbr]

39. Maybe it could have been

Titled different, but count me as one who could not care less about the intro. I think We DU brothers and sisters need to learn how to give each other the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for posting.

[Fawke Em]

53. Thank you.

That happened back on Oct. 28.

Too bad it took the media this long to find it.

Too busy kissing Trump's ass.

[Scootaloo]

61. We keep telling you what a swell guy he is, yanno

Thanks for coming buy to share the feels

[Armstead]

62. Massive Meta

If you simply wanted to praise Sanders, you could have done that. No flame bait required, and you would have increased the goodwill quotient of the board.

[AgingAmerican]

63. Misleading title

Should be "I got myself banned from the Sanders group"

[LWolf]

64. Yes, it was. nt

[Hiraeth]

72. Looks like you just did.

[Tom Rinaldo]

74. Thank you pnwmom. That was thoughtful of you. It was both sweet and strong. I hadn't seen it n/t

[daleanime]

88. I hear you, I can't post in the Hillary group.....

because I said nothing. What can you do? They're within their rights.

[Agony]

106. Yes… That was an awesome moment that we don't experience nearly enough...

Muslims and people of color have lots of places that they can't go… except for real. OK?

[chillfactor]

111. I can't post in the Bernie group either...

I was supporting Bernie until the Bernie group folks became so vicious...switched my support to Hillary..

[merrily]

113. LOL!

[frylock]

118. We're overdue for a "I used to support Bernie but his supporters drove me to Hillary" forum group.

[merrily]

122. That was so August!

[frylock]

123. I've seen a few late bloomers.

[merrily]

124. They must not read the emails every day.

[Douglas Carpenter]

140. Do they actually believe that nonsense?? Awesomely narcissistic and lacking any self-awareness

[senz]

149. Very insightful post

IMHO

[zigby]

145. Really?

I'm finding it hard to believe that people are so prone to peer pressure that they would change their allegiance based on some anonymous internet posters and it worries me. I've seen this on both sides. We need battle-tested warriors, not cream puffs who will reject the core policies of their candidates when someone was mean on the internet. Doesn't speak well to personal resilience.

[randome]

132. Holy, shit, what happened to this thread in such a short time!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.[/center][/font][hr]

[restorefreedom]

139. so how does one go

from being banned to unbanned? or is it forever?

just curious, and i know this comment is major meta

[DisgustipatedinCA]

142. Actually, you just did post what you say you wanted to post. You do see that, yes?

[Spazito]

151. Locking...

as per the Statement of Purpose for General Discussion: Primaries:

Disruptive meta-discussion is forbidden.