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Blue Belle

(5,912 posts)
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:00 PM Sep 2012

Romney campaign: Polls are liberal media lies

Romney campaign: Polls are liberal media lies
Source: Salon.com
By Alex Pareene

Romney pollster Neil Newhouse sent a memo out to the press (it’s also been posted on Romney’s campaign site) arguing that the Republican nominee has the president right where he wants him. Is this because of their “internals” or something else polling-related? Not really!

While some voters will feel a bit of a sugar-high from the conventions, the basic structure of the race has not changed significantly. The reality of the Obama economy will reassert itself as the ultimate downfall of the Obama Presidency, and Mitt Romney will win this race.

In his acceptance speech, President Obama did not offer any solutions for the millions of Americans unemployed or underemployed. But his convention speech was not the only big letdown to voters, as Americans also dealt with yet another dismal jobs report last week. President Obama is the only president in modern American history to stand before the American people asking for re-election with this many Americans struggling to find work. The key numbers in this election are the 43 straight months of 8% or higher unemployment, the 23 million Americans struggling to find work, and the 47 million Americans who are on food stamps.


So it’s still the economy.

Here’s the extent of the polling data that the memo actually mentions: “Wisconsin is now in play,” one poll shows the race in New Mexico “closing,” and the Obama campaign is “laying the groundwork for a stealth withdrawal” from North Carolina. Those are not really the three crucial states this year. (Also, New Mexico still seems out of reach for Mr. Romney, barring an unexpected landslide.)

The memo also mentions “Historical Data,” by which they mean the 1980 election. “Political campaign historians will recall President Jimmy Carter led Ronald Reagan by a near double digit margin late in the fall in 1980,” Newhouse writes, although that’s not true. Reagan was polling ahead of Carter as early as the spring. The 1980 election remains a regular Romney campaign talking point, though, which is bizarre. I understand why the Republicans would like to pretend it’s 1980, but a 1980 election repeat requires not just a depressed economy and an out-of-touch liberal incumbent, but also an inspiring and likable challenger and — most important! — a major foreign crisis. Reagan didn’t just win on the strength of his debate performance. The Iranian hostage crisis basically sealed the deal. There’s nothing remotely equivalent sinking Obama. (Unless his apology tour emboldens our enemies, I guess? Still time for that to happen!) Furthermore, as John Sides says, in 1980 the GOP convention gave Reagan a huge lead that Carter never overcame — which, again, didn’t happen this time.

An unnamed Romney adviser sent a more colorful dispatch to the National Review’s Rich Lowry, who posted it under the mostly accurate headline “Horses**t.”

“It’s horses**t. Nobody in Boston thinks we’re going to lose. We’re in a tight race. We had a 4-5 point bounce after our convention and it evaporated when they had theirs. Now they have a 4-5 bounce. It’s going evaporate in September. We feel good about the map. We’re up with advertising in Wisconsin and I think North Carolina is going to come off the board. On Ohio, they’ve been spinning for months now that it’s out of reach.
In case you weren’t paying attention, it should be noted that the Romney campaign did not actually get a “4-5 point bounce” after their convention according to any pollster besides GOP-leaning Rasmussen.

This adviser goes on, naturally, to blame the liberal media. The liberal media is only reporting on tracking polls and state polls because they want Romney to lose!


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Romney campaign: Polls are liberal media lies (Original Post) Blue Belle Sep 2012 OP
Mittens, Mittens... SoapBox Sep 2012 #1
People keep bringing up Reagan vs Carter TroyD Sep 2012 #2
We also didn't have a 24 hour news cycle in 1980.. Blue Belle Sep 2012 #4
Nor did we have a public internet then davidpdx Sep 2012 #20
Republicans are obsessed with the 1980 election Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2012 #17
Also Reagan consistently led the 1980 polls after the Spring of 1980 WI_DEM Sep 2012 #23
Speaking of lies.. bwphoto Sep 2012 #3
I stopped watching the clip after... Blue Belle Sep 2012 #6
If it's from a repig bongbong Sep 2012 #12
Considering Bain owns quite a bit of that "liberal media" I find it hilarious to read. n/t progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #5
Wow, they lie to their own supporters too! treestar Sep 2012 #7
And this surprises you? Blue Belle Sep 2012 #8
Josef Goebbels oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #15
The quote is from Mein Kampf... Blue Belle Sep 2012 #16
Hecky Darn oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #19
Well, Mitt does know about lying! Iris Sep 2012 #9
Rush must be sharing his pills with him. Skidmore Sep 2012 #10
They had a bounce? Ha! savalez Sep 2012 #11
Question: Are they lies when they favor Republicans, also? Kteachums Sep 2012 #13
Yes... Blue Belle Sep 2012 #14
LIberal media, eh? - Time to break out that Kristol quote I love citing Adenoid_Hynkel Sep 2012 #18
Well, sure. Polls ARE liberal media lies DFW Sep 2012 #21
tell that to Rasmussen, Mittens. WI_DEM Sep 2012 #22

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
1. Mittens, Mittens...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:02 PM
Sep 2012

you are just TOO funny!

That was a joke? Right? Oh wait...I hear it now!

Dog Whistle!

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
2. People keep bringing up Reagan vs Carter
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:08 PM
Sep 2012

They don't seem to realize:

1.) Romney does not have the charisma of Reagan.

2.) The demographics 32 years ago were totally different.

Blue Belle

(5,912 posts)
4. We also didn't have a 24 hour news cycle in 1980..
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:11 PM
Sep 2012

Every time Romney or Ryan get in front of a camera, they step in it.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
20. Nor did we have a public internet then
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:10 AM
Sep 2012

So many things have changed since that election that comparisons with it are absolutely meaningless.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
17. Republicans are obsessed with the 1980 election
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:50 PM
Sep 2012

Just a bunch of sad, aging Boomers who can't let go of their one past triumph.

They're like a middle-aged Al Bundy still crowing about scoring "four touchdowns in a single game."

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
23. Also Reagan consistently led the 1980 polls after the Spring of 1980
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:19 AM
Sep 2012

There was a bump for Carter when the hostages were first seized, but as the Crisis continued his support fell. Reagan led by almost 20 points at the time of his convention.

Blue Belle

(5,912 posts)
8. And this surprises you?
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 05:38 PM
Sep 2012

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it" --Adolf Hitler

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
15. Josef Goebbels
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:08 PM
Sep 2012

I do believe that Hitler's minister of propaganda is actually the source of that bit of actual political wisdom. Darn shame it is true.

Blue Belle

(5,912 posts)
14. Yes...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 08:31 PM
Sep 2012

The Romney Camp would complain that they are actually higher than the polls show, the media bias is skewing them in favor of the Democrats.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
18. LIberal media, eh? - Time to break out that Kristol quote I love citing
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:52 PM
Sep 2012
"I admit it: the liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures."
-- Bill Kristol, conservative 'thinker' and TV psychic

Mittens IS a conservative failure. Now wonder he's trying to blame the lib'rul media.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
21. Well, sure. Polls ARE liberal media lies
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 10:03 AM
Sep 2012

Unless they show a Republican in the lead, in which case they are God's own Biblical prophesy.

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