Clinton campaign sweats out data breach damage.

[JaneyVee]

-snip-

And it’s a source of real and deepening concern for Clinton’s data and voter targeting teams in Iowa – where Clinton leads by single digits — and New Hampshire, where she trails neighboring-state Sen. Sanders by a similar spread.

“We’re down in New Hampshire and we all know Iowa is going to tighten,” said one Clinton staffer on the ground in a battleground state. “(The Sanders team) is full of s--t when they say they didn’t get any intel … It’s like the opposing general getting your battle plans.”

Clinton’s top strategist and pollster-in-chief Joel Benenson, who oversaw two successful Obama campaign operations that set records for maximizing core-voter turnout, says his staff is eagerly awaiting the results of a third-party audit into the hack of the Democratic National Committee-housed lists. The DNC said it is just beginning the process of securing an independent audit by a data security firm.

The Clinton campaign also wants to learn basic details of the narrative — like why, for instance, Sanders’ campaign manager didn’t tell his candidate when he learned of the breach last Wednesday; Sanders was only looped in a day later, after DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz called him personally with the news. Weaver told POLITICO on Saturday he withheld the information from Sanders because he at first believed the breach was a staff-level concern that could be dealt with in-house. “My field director informed me,” he recalled. “I said, ‘let everyone know that no one is to do anything with the Clinton data.' It was not clear immediately there was any problem on our side.”



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019#ixzz3uxiIeZLo

[Kentonio]

1. "and we all know Iowa is going to tighten"

Yes, yes we do. Thanks for finally opening up about it Janey.

[JaneyVee]

4. Most likely due to data breach.

Read the whole article.

[Kentonio]

10. Sure..

[Baitball Blogger]

43. chuckle.

Looks like they found a scapegoat for their imminent loss.

[reformist2]

104. Yep. This is the very definition of "sore loser."

[RichVRichV]

138. It looks to me like they're developing an excuse for if they lose Iowa to minimize damage.

They need to maintain the "inevitable" appearance even if she loses the first two states. I think their plan is to recover in South Carolina heading into the Super Tuesday states if that happens.

[Cha]

140. the bernie team sabotaged their own campaign when they downloaded Hillary's data.

[Nitram]

148. You mean like how Bernistas endlessly harp how everything is rigged against them...

...from the media, to the debates, to the DNC, etc etc. sounds like a list of excuses for a resounding defeat.

[CoffeeCat]

134. Hilarious

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The polls that indicate a tightening race (Iowa Poll, CBS/YouGov) were completed more than a week ago.

The Iowa Poll that showed Clinton ahead by 9, was released last week Tuesday, Dec 15. The data breach had nothing to do
with those polling results.

The CBS/YouGov poll that has Sanders within 5 was released Dec 20; respondents were polled from Dec 13-17.

So no. The data breach happened mid last week.

You people and your concocted talking points. I sometimes wonder how you keep all of the spin straight.

I supposed the Clinton camp knows that she's most likely going to lose Iowa and is all ready starting the sour-grapes whining and pouting--even before she's left the state.

The race is narrowing because Iowans are making their final choices and the momentum is now with Bernie.

This has nothing to do with the data breach. I'm not telling you anything that you don't all ready know.

[madfloridian]

129. That's exactly why this all happened.

To make people think Bernie is running a dirty campaign.

It's really dirty politics to leak to the media to damage a campaign.

[Nitram]

149. Yes, that's exactly why Sanders staffers stole data from the Clinton campaign.

You got that right!

[haikugal]

158. The fact that you continue to spew bile about a nonexistent theft says it all. Thanks!

[Nitram]

162. Welcome!

Wouldn't want you to lose sight of what really happened here. The amount of deflection and misdirection by Sanders supporting makes my head spin.

[leftofcool]

2. Hillary has handled this graciously but I know she is pissed!

She has every right to be. I want to know what else those darn thieves stole! Yea, Weaver let everyone know not to do anything with Hillary's data after he knew they already had. Putz!

[JaneyVee]

5. And for how long has it been going on, since...

We know Weaver lied about reporting October breach to vendor.

[leftofcool]

6. Good question!

[Kentonio]

11. Excuse me? Do you have some evidence to support this claim?

[ljm2002]

13. "We know Weaver lied"...

..."about reporting October breach to vendor."

Link please.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

114. Someone is a liar. Link, please.

[mmonk]

3. The only sweating going on was on the

the other side being denied their data.

[NurseJackie]

7. Bernie's campaign is forever tainted ...

... and for any states he wins (even if the data theft did not benefit him) people will assume it was because he cheated.

If he wins the nomination, people will say he cheated. If he also wins the presidency, people will say he cheated.

Unfair? Perhaps. Likely? Absolutely.

[leftofcool]

8. Definitely!

And I don't think it is unfair.

[Kentonio]

12. Hahahaha

Yeah sure, it's all because of the data breach. The only people who will 'assume any connection will be Hillary supporters desperately looking for an excuse for why she lost again.

[leftofcool]

14. And that would be about 80% of Democrats.

Bernie's campaign is tainted and he knows it. He has no one to blame but his own staff.

[Kentonio]

16. If she loses then it won't be 80% of Democrats, will it?

I think your logic circuits went a little astray there.

[leftofcool]

21. You really don't get it do you?

Bernie is going to be labeled a thief and a cheater not just by Democrats but by Republicans as well. He doesn't have an iota's chance of escaping this.

[Kentonio]

44. Except no-one thinks that other than desperate Hillary fans.

[pangaia]

75. Exzzzactly

I almost lost my coffee at that idea.



Especially considering the history of..... oh well.. the un-named..

[Sheepshank]

91. I don't feel in the least desperate and I think that.

I work in a Republican State and in a local government office employed by a majority of full on rabid Republicans. They are all salivaing over the lying, theiving, socialist who appears to only win by cheating. It's not pretty here at all.

[Nitram]

150. Keep on believeing that, Kentonio.

Enjoy living in an echo chamber?

[Kentonio]

151. Echo chamber? Oh that is deliciously ironic

Have you actually read a news site the last couple of days? The focus is planted firmly on the DNC's bias and idiocy in igniting this unnecessary conflict in the first place. The only people calling Bernie a 'thief and a cheater' are the Clinton hardcore firmly ensconced in their own echo chamber.

They also seem to have a real problem with the idea of an independent investigation into whether any other campaign might have accessed data they weren't supposed to. Now I wonder why that might be..

[Nitram]

154. Some Clinton supporters might be excused for striking back after the sliming Clinton has undergone..

...at the hands of Bernistas on DU. It got pretty tiring reading ya'll paint Bernie as a saint and Clinton as the devil. And now we have concrete evidence of malfeasance in the Sanders campaign. Myself, I'd rather put this behind us, but no, Sandernistas are twisting this to speculate that Clinton is to blame for Sander's breach. I'd rather see positive support of the Democratic candidates without all the invective. Every time someone has suggested that, a Bernie supporter has started whining about loyalty oaths, and such.

[haikugal]

160. You have nothing of the kind. Unreal, you sound like you're posting on some teen fan site.

[Nitram]

161. Funny, that's the way I've been viewing you Bernanas with all your cute little memes.

Projection on your part, Haikugal?

[rurallib]

83. haven't met one yet that thinks that.

[NurseJackie]

20. It's hers to lose. If she loses, it will be her own fault ... no question about that. But ...

... if Bernie wins anything at all, even the states that we already expect him to win, people will always suspect that he cheated.

Try to change the subject if you like, nobody is "making excuses" (nor do I expect to) ... however, from here on out, Bernie's honesty will likely be questioned, and it will extend beyond Hillary supporters. The GOP would have a field day with this (and all the other historical subjects about Bernie's past that gets posts hidden around here.)

Your nervous laughter won't change that fact.

[Kentonio]

45. Nervous laughter?

I find it hilarious that the people constantly claiming Bernie supporters are the ones who hurt the party, are the same ones running around throwing smears at one of your nominees any chance they get. It will be even more hilarious when you lose again.

[BlueCaliDem]

47. Yep. You do that A LOT, by the way. eom

[Kentonio]

57. There is a lot to be amused about this campaign.

[BlueCaliDem]

60. That's not "amusement" I'm reading. That's f.e.a.r. and it's all too blatant.

As is your weak support for the Democratic Party, by the way.

Man! It's going to be nice and quiet after Super Tuesday. Naaaaahce and quiet.

[Kentonio]

61. Fear? What on earth would I have to fear?

The campaign is going brilliantly. I've been saying for months that the important thing is momentum coming out of Xmas. Bernie is only single digits behind in Iowa with only weeks to go, his fundraising is record breaking, and now the DNC has just handed him a big boost to supporter enthusiasm with their foolish attempts to manipulate the primary.

Now the big rallies will start up again, and that gap in Iowa will disintegrate. After he takes Iowa and NH, that Super Tuesday you're looking forward to so much is going to be a very different affair.

Enjoy.

[BlueCaliDem]

65. Loss. And the sad thing is, it's immiment for Sanders. I'm sorry, but all those variables

will not win him the Black or Latino vote, it will not win him delegates, and it certainly won't win him any State that isn't nearly 100% homogeneous.

I won't tell you to "enjoy" because I know it's going to bring you great, visceral pain. I'm a compassionate person like that. But enjoy your fantasy while you can. And happy holidays!

[Kentonio]

68. Sanders supporters always knew his candidacy was a long shot.

We're very used to the almost insurmountable mountain any genuinely progressive candidate has to climb to reach the nomination. This time though, I think he just might do it against all the odds.

Have a nice holidays.

[sonofspy777]

94. ^^^THIS^^^

Play dirty and you get dirty too!

Hillary just couldn't play by the rules

because the rules are so....POPULIST


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[NurseJackie]

50. Look around, Pot.

Laugh while you can. Super Tuesday is closer than you think. When the last primary vote has been counted, Bernie will have five states at most, and no pathway to the nomination. And even those few states he wins will cause people to question if he's a cheater. That's a fact, you know it, and all the aggressive talk in the world won't change it. But keep trying if you must ... everyone needs a hobby. Have fun and laugh it up!

Your friend, Kettle

[Kentonio]

56. You are going to get a shock in the days following Iowa.

I suggest you make sure you're sitting down and feeling calm. Perhaps some yoga might help?

[NurseJackie]

64. Brave talk from the supporter of a weak candidate. :-D

I'm sorry to be the one to tell you, but your nervousness is showing again. I suggest you practice trying to look more confident without overdoing it.

(Hint: There's a very fine line between ordinary confidence, and compensatory over-confidence. The former is believable, the latter is not. Pushing too hard and being too aggressive is an obvious substitute to disguise the true nervousness inside.)

Such saccharine efforts may get you a flurry of "atta-boy" responses when your pals swarm and pile-on ... but that too, reveals more than you believe. I guess you could call it the tell-tale bitter aftertaste.

So, enjoy the charade while you can. Bernie's reputation (both now and later) is forever tainted. The different kind of candidate wasn't so different after all, they'll think. I'm sure that in the minds of many, they'll always wonder if he's a cheater. They'll always wonder what ELSE his staff did that had not been previously detected.

[Kentonio]

66. It's always amusing to hear you guys talking about what everyone else will think

This is about the third or fourth time I've hear a Hillary supporter lecturing us about how Sanders will be perceived by the masses. If you guys really had your finger on the pulse in the way you think you do, perhaps this race wouldn't have become so tight in the first place?

[NurseJackie]

71. I've alway believed that the race would be "tight" (to use your word) ...

... "competitive" is a better word. Five states does not a nomination win. Five states won under suspicion will a career tarnish, however. This is the truth. No mind-reading required.

What I've found to be so amazing is Hillary's nationwide lead and all the endorsements she's received. It's easy to understand why Bernie's fans are nervous and constantly on the attack.

Feel free to be dismissive about what people think about Bernie, it doesn't matter to me if you admit it or not. But deep in your heart, you know it's true. Denying it, won't change it. (I understand that it's probably much easier for Bernie's fans to put on a happy-face than it is to admit your saint has flaws and is now dinged-and-tarnished.)

Bernie's fans aren't dumb, they're just single-minded. They can see the truth as well as anyone else.

[Kentonio]

72. Have you?

That's curious, because I could have sworn you were insisting just a month ago that Bernie had hit a plateau and that the race was basically over.

Then again most Hillary supporters thought the race was over before it had even begun.

[NurseJackie]

77. I think he has plateaued. There are precious few meaningful endorsements for him (ie: non-celeb) ...

... his political endorsements are dreadfully meager, and he's consistently stuck in the 30's (or lower) nationwide, even worse with non-white voters. The days of so-called "surges" are over, and any movement in future polls will be incremental. Individual polls fluctuate, and that's always exciting ... but the trend-lines remain constant. The chances he'll get the nomination are exceedingly slim.

Peace be with you,
~ Kettle

[catnhatnh]

86. If you feel that if a staffer acts poorly and is immediately fired

his act will permanently tarnish Sanders reputation then lets get right to the Bosnian Sniper.

[NurseJackie]

87. I think that questions remain. Was this only the tip of the iceberg? Is there more to come?

Feel free to try and change the subject with the "Bosnian Sniper" (it's understandable why you'd want to) but keep in mind that these are OLD attacks that Hillary has weathered quite well. People don't care. If they did, it would have brought her down back then... but it didn't. The only people who do care are Bernie's fans' desperate attempts to bring Hillary down. Bernie's about as competitive as he's ever going to be, so the only tactic remaining is to recycle old attacks. Well... good luck with that. It's a fool's errand (as the saying goes) but I can't blame you for trying. After all, what else have you got?

---
Note to Jury: "Fool's Errand" is a idiom to describe an undertaking that is fruitless. Nobody is being called a fool.

[catnhatnh]

88. I'm saying that your candidate is a liar

and that her personal reputation is "permanently tarnished". And this was not because of some staffer-she stood before the cameras and told a blatant lie to enhance her reputation.

[NurseJackie]

89. I know what you're saying, and I'm responding by ...

... letting you know that the attacks didn't work then and aren't working now. Nice try though.

I'm also reminding you that your boy scout candidate is just like any other politician. He'll likely be able to weather this, but he's already tarnished as a result.

[catnhatnh]

90. And then she lied again

to stupidly claim she was named after a famous person who didn't even become famous until she was 6 years old. I beginning to sense a pattern here...

[NurseJackie]

92. Here's a "pattern" you haven't sensed ...

Nobody cares except you, and the Hillary haters. But I'll give you an E for effort.

[AgingAmerican]

100. It's a fantasy, DWS/Hillary are furiously backpedaling

DWS is being sued in federal court by the Sanders campaign and we will soon find out whether the Hillary campaign is coordinating this with the DNC. If so then the real lawsuits start to fly.

[NurseJackie]

101. The fantasy you desire will likely not match ...

... the reality you receive. If this gets any worse for Bernie, he could "suspend" his campaign.

[enid602]

109. relative

Especially if, god forbid onr of the staffers in quesyion turns out to be a relative of his. La publicite!!!!!!!!!

[NurseJackie]

111. New information dribbles out every day. I'll continue to watch with great interest.

[AgingAmerican]

113. Bernie will not drop the lawsuit

You can bluster and gafaw all you want, but your words will never amount to anything outside the Hillary group! Manna from heaven!

[NurseJackie]

119. It doesn't matter to me. I look forward to MORE publicity for his campaign's data theft.

[Nitram]

152. Kentonio, I don't understand why you are so amused by the fact that the Sanders campaign...

...was caught with their hand in the cookie jar. It will not only hurt Sanders, it makes all of us look bad. As for smears, the number of times I've seen Bernanas smear Clinton as a corporatist, Republican-lite, liar, dirty tricks candidate, just plain evil is beyond redemption.

[Kentonio]

153. Beyond redemption? Well I guess November is going to be interesting for us all then.

[Nitram]

155. No doubt. nt

[pangaia]

76. Nobody is suspecting or will suspect he cheated.

Just you.]]

[Nitram]

156. Where does the buck in the sander's campaign actually stop?

Is a leader not judged by the honesty of their employees and supporters?

[pangaia]

73. OH, give me a break !!

[floriduck]

80. Wow, this sounds very much

like you're laying the groundwork for an excuse when you lose. That's a major shift from the ongoing bluster normally demonstrated by Hill people.

I'm impressed. Thank you for your honesty.

[NurseJackie]

82. You're late. This has already been discussed.

But, I admire your optimism.

[CoffeeCat]

145. They know they're going to lose Iowa...

...and this is the justification.

Adorable.

[lumberjack_jeff]

97. Yet, The New England Patriots are the reigning Super Bowl Champions.

The people who will say that President Sanders cheated to get the job are a) stupid and b) going to complain about something else anyway.

[NurseJackie]

98. Probably. I think you're correct. But that wouldn't stop them if he were the nominee ...

... so, it looks like Hillary's going to have to save Bernie's reputation* by soundly defeating him and winning the nomination. She's already proved that she can easily weather baseless and recycled attacks. Looking at today's newest polling data, it appears that she's well on her way to doing just that.


*Oh, I kid the Senator from Vermont!

[AgingAmerican]

99. The opposite is true

[NurseJackie]

103. Enjoy your fantasy ...

... who am I to take it away from you?

[AgingAmerican]

105. DWS is being sued in federal court

Sanders isnt. Debbie Wasserman Schultz breached the DLCs contract with the Sanders campaign, to which she is legally bound. She thought she had him, and in her giddyness overreacted in very kneejerk fashion. Absolute power corrupted her absolutely and she took on the role of judge, jury and executioner. Now she can't get the genie back into the bottle and she's the one in trouble. It also appears that the Clinton campaign was in collusion with DWS, which is a conflict of interest and flat out corruption.

[NurseJackie]

110. They've broken the law! This is posturing. Meaningless.

Anyone can sue anyone for anything. They're trying to distract, and you're falling for it. Typical overreaction from Bernie's campaign and especially his hardcore fans.

OMG! Everything's an outrage! OMG! Angry, angry, angry! Good grief! OMG! Polls are rigged! OMG! Oligarchy! OMG! Corporatist! OMG! Coronation! OMG! Not our fault! OMG! We were set up! OMG! Entrapment! OMG! Okay, well maybe we did save some information, but ENTRAPMENT anyway! OMG! Look over there! A squirrel!

I'm smarter than you think I am. I'm not falling for it. I'm not persuaded by the overwrought hysteria.

This is the beginning of the end of Bernie's campaign. He'll never recover from this. Fairly or unfairly, people will think of him as the "cheater" whose campaign got caught stealing data and seeking an unfair advantage from data that they weren't entitled to have.

Quit making excuses. Bernie's campaign fucked up and got caught. Deal with it.

[AgingAmerican]

112. When will DWS file charges?

No amount of spin changes anything. Silence on the issue from Hillary and DWS! DWS thought Bernie would fold like Dean did. Bad mistake! Now she has to answer for it in court! Hillary campaigns breach of Sanders data in October is also named in the lawsuit! Manna from heaven!

[NurseJackie]

116. Nothing will change Bernie's tarnished reputation. Not his "apology"...not your spin and outrage.

I'm not in a position to know when she'll file charges. You'll have to wait and see.

In the meantime, as Bernie continues to fall behind in the polls, none of this will matter. It won't be long before he suspends his campaign. Super Tuesday will be here before you know it.

Your brave talk and nervous laughter really don't change how awful he's doing. Bernie has no path to the nomination. Searching for conspiracies and making excuses for him won't change that a bit.

[AgingAmerican]

122. When will this tarnishing begin? You certainly are getting no traction from it!

Outside the Hillary group....lol. Can you say "LAWSUIT!"? Everything will come out in court, hence silence from DWS/Hillary.

[NurseJackie]

123. "Set up! They MADE US explore the database!!"

[AgingAmerican]

126. DWS nephew is VP of NGPVAN lol

Oh, this is getting juicy! I think I will write an OP about the tangled web of DWS, her nephew, the Clinton campaign, the ties between NGPVN and the Hillary campaign and whole lotta other stuff!

Thanks for the inspiration!

[NurseJackie]

128. Meme chart? Not caring. not worried.

[AgingAmerican]

136. No refutal forthcoming, just smileys

No charges forthcoming. Silence forthcoming from #DWS/Hillary.

OP forthcoming!

[haikugal]

163. I look forward to that! Thanks!

[ablamj]

131. Deb!

Deb can fix it!

[AgingAmerican]

137. She is under investigation in a lawsuit now

She knows everything she does with respect to tinkering with the election will be under a legal microscope.

All the kings horses and all the kings men...

[DisgustipatedinCA]

115. And the slaughter of a million innocents? Is there a "taint" associated with that?

[NurseJackie]

117. Recycled. I'm not caring. (Anything else you'd like to ask?)

[DisgustipatedinCA]

118. Yes. I want to confirm you just said you don't care about a million slaughtered innocents.

[NurseJackie]

121. You'll be waiting a long time for that. (Anything else you'd like to recycle?)

[Armstead]

9. Arrest his entire campaign and volunteers

Immediately!

[leftofcool]

15. Yes, at least 4 of them on criminal charges.

[Kentonio]

17. Strange how the only people talking about criminal charges are desperate Hillary fans..

[leftofcool]

22. You do know that data theft is a federal crime, right?

[The Boss]

30. Except the vendor did not say the data was stolen.

Please try another strategy.

[leftofcool]

34. Wrong! You need to keep up

Anytime data is downloaded and put into a folder, that is theft. End of story.

[The Boss]

39. Cannot be exported or saved. The so-called folder is IN the NGP-VAN system.

I've been in the IT field for 25 years.

[thereismore]

52. Crickets...

[leftofcool]

70. Really? Could have fooled me.

You might check those logs again.

[The Boss]

74. This is no computer generated log.

This is a user generated log, as in, he documented everything.

Come on. Are you in the IT industry, leftofcool?

Ever read /var/logs?

how about reading core dumps?

[JonLeibowitz]

107. It is /var/log, singular. ;-) But your point is well taken.

I find that those nontechnical people don't realize how much of a nonissue this is.

Anyone who deals with firewalls or DBs knows you can probe for the existence of data without downloading or accessing it.

[Kentonio]

54. Strange how the feds don't seem to be running around arrseting anyone..

[Truprogressive85]

36. Are HRC supporters getting shaken? she leading in all the poll is what they tell me

from some of the responses you would think the sky was falling at HRC HQ

Why is it still an issues for them ?

Did Sen. Sanders not apologize and say if there more staffers involved they would be dealt with so why are HRC supporter still crying

[Thinkingabout]

29. That is what was called for in Seattle.

[Armstead]

42. You love to mix those apples and oranges don't you?

[Thinkingabout]

48. I am not the one who brought up "arrest".

[Jarqui]

18. I think it's posturing BS

When you review the four logs, (one log did basically nothing which is probably why they were not suspended), only one looked in Iowa and they look at only one Clinton field in the data "Support" ... for a total of 3 whole minutes. That's right, read it again .. "one field" "three minutes" because the session timed out.

They saved them in lists - unique otherwise meaningless voters IDs - not the data itself. And they did not go back and "export" those lists - didn't export any of the state lists - according to the logs.

What they did is on activity logs for all to see - and they knew it Those saved lists were deleted/turned over and not exported.

If "support" was such a critical data field, why didn't they go for it in all the other states? It couldn't have been that critical or concern them that much because they didn't know Clintons data.

Looking at the summary of one data field in Iowa for 3 minutes and then turning the data over is going to tilt the primary scales in Iowa?

Pure and utter bullshit.

[leftofcool]

24. You are about a day behind on your news.

[Jarqui]

28. I don't think so.

[JDPriestly]

62. Link please.

[JonLeibowitz]

108. Crickets...

[Jarqui]

27. "knowing how many people are in the turnout world could be important"

(above quote from the article at the top of the thread)

They didn't examine turnout data in Iowa according to the logs.

They looked at part of the turnout field in NH & SC

They didn't look at the turnout data in IA, CO, AL, AR, FL, VA, UT, TX, UT, TN, OK, OK, OH, NV, Az - often they either didn't select on a data field or they selected on priority >= 8 or 9 (didn't get a full array of data on the priority field)

[cherokeeprogressive]

19. This is the sound of a dead horse being beaten to a wet pulp...

[riversedge]

23. plug your ears then.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. No. I actually like the sound. Sounds like...

desperation.

[NurseJackie]

26. TRANSLATION: "Please-oh-please stop talking about the data theft. We want to talk about ...

... conspiracy theories instead. Never mind that we Bernie fans keep talking about it, we only want to talk about it when WE are framing the scandal as a conspiracy set-up and entrapment. Josh was just 'helping' to expose the vulnerability."






(HA! I love seeing "dead horse" comparisons! It means Bernie's fans are tired of defending the indefensible, and they know how silly the conspiracy theories sound.)

[Thinkingabout]

32. The conspiracy theories did not stop Sanders from firing one and suspending two others.

[Buzz Clik]

33. Read the OP. Please? This is about controlling the damage from the data breach.

Jesus.

[cherokeeprogressive]

38. Mmmkay.

[Buzz Clik]

41. You're right. It was silly of me to ask.

You just continue reacting out of ignorance. It's better entertainment for everyone.

[Buzz Clik]

31. Bernie apologized when he was asked to apologize on national tv. It's all over, right?

[Nitram]

37. Ummm, apologized out one side of his mouth and sued out the other side.

[Buzz Clik]

40. There is that...

[BlueCaliDem]

49. Yep. So it's a fake humility that can't be denied.

I'm sorry, but his half-hearted apology isn't going to make right what was done wrong - even a full-throated apology won't.

[riversedge]

78. The apology would have come across better if Sanders had done it without prompting from the

moderator IMHO. That said I do think his campaign will be tainted. I do not know how long the lawsuit will drag on but I think each day it it is out there only contributes to the not so good optics.

[BlueCaliDem]

79. Like I said...it was a half-hearted apology. The man is NOT a leader. He's an excellent soapbox

orator, but he's no organizer and no leader, and thanks to the strength of Hillary Clinton and her campaign strategy this presidential election, he won't be a useful tool for the GOP, either. But that latter has nothing to do with Sanders' supposed integrity. It has everything to do with Hillary Clinton's amazing organizational and strategic skills that will keep a Republican from being installed in the White House.

[sonofspy777]

96. NO it was a half-hearted ACCEPTANCE

if you could call it that!

[underpants]

46. Yes it should be n/t

[Nitram]

35. There is some major lying going on in the Sanders campaign.

That's why they didn't tell the boss about their shenanigans.

[BlueCaliDem]

53. That campaign manager, Weaver, lost ALL credibility when, instead of apologizing for

the national data manager's unethical and immoral snooping and downloading of Clinton campaign proprietary data, he came out defiant and blustering, threatening a law suit! Needless to say, I was standing in front of my television with jaw dropped.

And here I was, defending Bernie, telling my son that this must be a mistake and if not, he'll apologize and tell everyone he'll fire anyone and everyone who committed this unethical low act.

Then I see him dodging reporters and saying that there's going to be a presser and then this nincompoop campaign manager comes out with trumped up indignation threatening a lawsuit!

And then I come here on DU and see his supporters excusing him for something they'd crucify Hillary Clinton for. It's uneffingbelievable.

[Loudestlib]

51. They shouldn't have settled the lawsuit

[Karma13612]

133. They didn't.

The lawsuit is still going forward.

Since the DNC was in breach of contract, the DNC had to release SANDERS CAMPAIGN data.
That is where we are now.

The law suit was brought by the Sanders camp to have an investigation into possible irregularities and poor handling by the DNC and data vendor. That is still proceeding.

[jalan48]

55. Has DWS/DNC appointed an independent investigator yet?

Seems like an open and transparent investigation into both the vendor's actions as well as those of the Sander's campaign is called for.

[JDPriestly]

58. Ahhhh! So only single digit differences in Iowa?

What about all the published polls that show huge divergences?

Hillary should sue the vendor for having allowed the leak to happen.

Bernie's team could not have gone into Hillary's database and done queries if the vendor had not allowed that to happen.

It was the vendor's JOB to prevent one campaign from getting access to the information in the other campaigns' databases.

Preventing that access was not the job of the Sanders campaign.

We shall see what a truly independent audit shows about how this happened.

I do not see an accusation that Sanders' campaign hacked into Hillary's information. Rather the charge is that the vendor did not properly maintain the firewall that insured the security of Hillary's information.

We shall see the outcome of an independent investigation.

i'm looking forward to discovery of the e-mails that led to the breach.

Bernie does not need the information in Hillary's database. He is not running a campaign that needs it. Not unless there is even a worse scandal beneath the breach in the firewall.

[R B Garr]

106. Wrong. Bernie's campaign manager has been on TV

confirming that two more staffers were fired for wrongdoing for improperly accessing Clinton's campaign data. Remember that Weaver is Bernie's campaign manager.

You keep blaming the Bernie campaign's malfeasance on the vendor. How odd.

[JDPriestly]

120. Read Snopes and the vendor NGP Van's own statements on the issue:

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/

I saw a list of the searches. Looked to me like someone was trying to verify the extent of the breach by the contractor.

Here is what the vendor, NGP Van says about the incident:

First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the “export” from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.

. . . .

First, no NGP data was impacted by this situation, nor any Action ID or FastAction data. No client websites or web site data were impacted, either. For VAN clients, no myMembers, myWorkers, or myCampaigns data was impacted. The one area that was impacted was voter file data. We are confident at this point that no campaigns have access to or have retained any voter file data of any other clients; with one possible exception, one of the presidential campaigns. NGP VAN is providing a thorough report to the DNC on what happened and conducting a review to ensure the integrity of the system.

. . . .

On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy

If you read all of the Snopes article, you learn that the Sanders employee, Uretsky, states what I guessed: He searched to define the extent of the breach.

No lists were saved. The Sanders campaign did not steal anything of value.

That's what NGP Van and Snopes seem to agree on.

My suspicions and my reasoning on this are confirmed in those articles.

There will be more research and more information later I imagine.

The fault was not with Bernie's campaign. NGP Van released VAN code that contained a bug, that was vulnerable.

The files that are supposed to be kept separate with regard apparently to voter code became accessible across campaigns. Bernie's campaign could see the voter code data from Hillary's campaign and presumably vice versa (but I don't know that for sure).

No information was downloaded or stolen according to NGP Van. But information was viewed. That's how I understand NGP Van's statement.

[R B Garr]

124. Weaver contradicts you and fired the perpetrators

for their malfeasance in accessing Clintons campaign data. Quit blaming the vendor. The fault was with Bernie's campaign.

[JDPriestly]

127. The vendor NGP Van speaks for itself.

They blame the incident on a bug in their own code.

Read the NGP article. It's very clear.

No lists could be taken according NGP Van.

I'm not saying this now. NGP Van said this.

Yes. I figured it out earlier. I used to work a bit with databases although I am not a programmer.

Just read the NGP Van article and show me where it says that there was malfeasance by Bernie's team.

First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the “export” from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.

. . . .

On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy

[R B Garr]

130. The vendor is not to blame for Sanders campaign's

malfeasance as confirmed by Bernie's own campaign manager. You should listen to what he was saying as recently as this morning on MSNBC. It's very clear.

[JDPriestly]

135. Read the two articles I linked to for you.

Could you give me a link to Bernie's campaign manager's statement. I do not have cable TV.

[R B Garr]

139. Bernie apologized to Hillary during the debate

for his campaign staffers breach of her data.

Weaver was on MSNBC this morning. It's probably on their website or Google.

It's funny that the Bernistas only think the vendor is competent and truthful when they say something that supposedly benefits Bernie; otherwise, they are Clinton hacks and plants out to destroy him.

What's certain now is they are minimizing statements because of the lawsuit. There are enough articles out now that show what was inappropriately accessed.

[Tom Rinaldo]

59. I'll just note this, since noone else is...

It is fair and proper that the Sanders campaign lose the services of several top aids because of improper activity - and the need to investigate it further (in the case of the two who so far have been suspended. And it is right and just for the Clinton campaign to be angry about and bemoan any damage to them that resulted from the data security breech. I am not claiming that there is parity in the damage each campaign suffered, but I have not seen a single acknowledgment anywhere that there is a cost now to the Sanders campaign also in having just lost the services of at least one top staffer, with others at least suspended, shortly before the first electoral contests. That is all.

[cali]

63. What exactly is this data?

[JaneyVee]

67. What exactly do you mean?

Surely you can't be this far behind on the story.

[cali]

93. All I've seen is that it's annotated voter lists.

I don't see that it's strategic.

[questionseverything]

102. when volunteers call a voter to ask for support they make notes about what the voter said

good or bad

support or not

then on election day they put resources into the areas with the highest support to get out the vote

in theory i guess the sanders team could save time/money by not calling hc supporters that were very committed but other than that i do not see the huge deal

unless all her lists had embarrassing notes

[Nitram]

142. The data is many kinds of information about voters.

From what I've read, the Sanders campaign ran several queries on who was most likely to vote for Clinton among certain demographics such as age groups. They saved the results of the queries in a folder and emailed other staffers to let them know where the information was stored.

[Hiraeth]

69. I can't see where this does either one of them any good. They should both get on with the job of

campaigning and let this investigation take place with out a lot of hoop-lah. My opinion.

[aksptth]

81. Database? I don't need no stinking database!

All those Hillary supporters that didn't know about Barnie Sanders campaign are really in play now! Why this may actually turn the entire Primary!!!

Hillary's campaign really ought to shut up about computer breeches and data security. Quicksand is a very poor surface from which to throw punches....

A much more productive approach would be for Hillary to say hey, mistakes happen and I am certain beyond a doubt that the Sanders campaign will act responsibly and not misuse any DNC data.

The reality of politics is that if the Sanders campaign got a hold of any actionable data and made a conscious decision to take advantage of it (doubtful), there is little to be done about it now. So why not take advantage of the situation to put the warm fuzzy out there that with computers unintentional mistakes happen wink wink nudge nudge...

[Kalidurga]

84. Bernie's campaign was sent 1,000,000 in new campaign contributions on Friday

Please proceed with this attack.

[AgingAmerican]

85. Now they just want it to go away

But Bernie is going to hold them to it. DWS violated a leagally binding contract and should face up to it in court.

[sonofspy777]

95. ^^^THIS^^^

How you like them apples!?

[JDPriestly]

125. Read Snopes and the NGP Van (the vendor) statement on its breach.

http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy

On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

Hillary was not damaged.

But Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's arbitrary denial of access to Bernie to his information on the database prevented Bernie from being able to contact some of his supporters prior to the debates and organize properly before the debates.

Hillary has no damages. Bernie has damages.

Here is the link to Snope for a thorough discussion of what really happened.

The Hillary people are blowing this up beyond belief. No data was removed or downloaded according to the vendor NGP Van.

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's handling of this and the reactions of many Hillary supporters was hysterical in the sense of the neurotic condition of hysteria.

At least that is what I gather from NGP Van's statement.

[Nitram]

143. Certainly the vendor wants to minimize the extent of the data loss to cover their own asses.

Last edited Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:43 PM - Edit history (1)

Reports I've seen said that sanders staffers ran queries on the Clinton voter data and saved the results. If true, that is a loss of proprietary data for the Clinton campaign. Gathering that data and feeding it into a database is very expensive. Sanders staffers stole valuable information about voter demographics and characteristics in New Hampshire.

[JDPriestly]

146. Do you have a link?

In addition to

NPG Van link I provided, there is an article on Snopes and this video:

[Nitram]

147. Yes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/18/the-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-fight-explained/

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/documents-show-sanders-staffers-breached-clinton-voter-data

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-campaign-penalized-dnc-after-improperly-accessing-clinton-voter-n482341

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/18/sanders-campaign-disciplined-for-breaching-clinton-data/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/data-breach-sets-off-charges-of-theft-in-16-democratic-race/2015/12/18/13c451ea-a5eb-11e5-8318-bd8caed8c588_story.html

[Bleacher Creature]

132. But I thought that Sanders was different???

The single most honest guy in the history of politics and as pure as the driven snow. That he wasn't beholden to any political party, and so far above the fray that he needs to wear an oxygen mask.

Did I miss something?

[Cha]

141. I saw a lot of signs of him not needing his oxygen mask.. and now with the bernie team sabotaging

their own campaign by downloading Hillary's data.. he can toss that thing in the garbage.

[ucrdem]

144. LOL, yeah you missed the last 25 years.

Seriously Bernie has been whacking the Clintons for as long as I've been aware of him starting in the summer of '92.

[INdemo]

157. So if the Sanders campaign was able to access the Clinton data then

what did the Clinton campaign do with the data from the Sanders campaign?

How would the Clinton campaign explain emaisl to Bernie Supporters that haven't ever given their email address's or other info to the Clinton site or campaign?

I think this whole damn issue was a ploy by the Clinton campaign and DWS to sabotage the Sanders campaign and it didnt wrok.

I think the internal polling for Hillary shows Iowa tied or even Sanders ahead,and are worried about this turning into 2008 all over again.DWS should have been fired and an interim chairman should be in charge now.


Are you ready for Hillary's scream speech?"

[randome]

159. Right. Because the Clinton campaign is SO incompetent as to leave that kind of a trail.

You're making a big assumption there. With no evidence to support it. There are millions of mailing lists floating throughout the world. What's more plausible? That the Clinton campaign is incompetent or that they obtained email addresses from another mailing list?
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