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Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:17 PM

 

Hillary said "Hell no" she won't apologize for "lying" re: ISIS Trump videos .. so now what?

Hill's refusal to acknowledge her over-statement is succeeding to some extent to keep M$M's
attention on HER & Trump i.e. GE-bound.. while giving the M$M a handy excuse to keep ignoring
Bernie Sanders phenomenal campaign.

Judging from NBC's national news tonight, she's succeeded, to a point. There was an 3-4
minute sement on the Cinton-Trump dust-up, ALL about Hillary & Trump, like the GE was
already "On!". Was this Hillary at her "presumptive" best, pretending like she's already won
the Primary; and the M$M is lapping it up.

Lawrence O'Donnell did a segment on the Cinton-Trump kerfuffle, arguing that it was foolish
of Hillary to attempt to "out-Trump" Trump by refusing to admit what she said was technically
not true, but was an "exaggeration", but to make an important point, that shouldn't get
lost in the he-said/she-said shuffle. O'Donnell argues forcefully that Clinton was wrong to
refuse to acknowledge the untruth of her claim re: Trump videos being shown to recruit
new ISIS jihadists. That segment is at the first 10-15 min. of this 43 minute video:


So which is it?

Did Hillary blow it by not illustrating to Trump and the nation what a real leader does,
when caught in a lie, i.e. simply acknowledge the 'overstatement' and move on? Or is Hillary
being sly like a fox by copping M$M focus to shine on HER and Trump, warming up for the GE,
enabling the M$M to continue to completely ignore Sanders?

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Reply Hillary said "Hell no" she won't apologize for "lying" re: ISIS Trump videos .. so now what? (Original post)
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 OP
nc4bo Dec 2015 #1
Gothmog Dec 2015 #2
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #3
JoePhilly Dec 2015 #4
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #7
JoePhilly Dec 2015 #8
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #9
JoePhilly Dec 2015 #10
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #12
Renew Deal Dec 2015 #13
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #15
NuclearDem Dec 2015 #17
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #18
NuclearDem Dec 2015 #19
Renew Deal Dec 2015 #20
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #23
Gothmog Dec 2015 #5
EndElectoral Dec 2015 #16
NuclearDem Dec 2015 #6
bigtree Dec 2015 #11
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #21
MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #14
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #22
jfern Dec 2015 #24
99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #25
840high Dec 2015 #26
akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #28
akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #27
MrWendel Dec 2015 #29

Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:19 PM

1. Can't answer other than: The sky is the limit!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:38 PM

2. Plays Right Into Her Hands

Josh Marshall has a simple explanation as to why this is not a bad issue http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/plays-right-into-her-hands

Perhaps this is stating the obvious. But the new Clinton-Trump 'feud' over being the top recruiter for ISIS plays completely into Clinton's strategy which is, in essence, to bring the Republican primary battle to a close with Donald Trump as the winner.

I agree with Josh that this is a good move for Clinton

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:42 PM

3. Do you think Trump is a Bill-Clinton-inspired stalking horse for Hillary?

 

You know Bill "encouraged" Trump to run in the first place, right?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:45 PM

4. Sure ... millionaires bought off a billionaire.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:12 PM

7. "Bought off" or Best Buddies? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

You do know the Clintons & Trump are very cozy, don't you?



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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:14 PM

8. OMG ... is that Arnie????

BASTARD!!!!!!!!

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:18 PM

9. Nice diversion from my question. n/t

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:20 PM

10. Because your question ...

... is nonsense.

And there is no reason to treat it any other way.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:49 PM

12. "Nonsense" ?

 

Clintons & Trump are buddies, Big Dawg 'encourages' Trump to run,
Hillary and Trump acting like it's already the General Election, with
the blessing of the M$M who loves this handy excuse to continue to
ignore Bernie's amazing campaign.

And you don't feel there's ANY thing about this stinking pile of shit
worth responding to, other than to say it's "nonsense".

Got it.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:58 PM

13. You forgot something

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:03 PM

15. Oh yes. Simply hurl a CT insult, and run ..

 

.. away from any meaningful exchange of information or ideas.

You couldn't be more predictable.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:33 PM

17. Yes, one would typically use a CT insult to insult a CT.

 

I'm not sure where this "meaningful exchange of information or ideas" is you're referring to.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:54 PM

18. If discussing the Oligarch's back-door collaborative efforts to monopolize M$M coverage

 

to massively deceive voters, in an attempt to lock-up an election before the first vote is even cast, is not
"up your alley", then you know where your back-button is.

THIS ^ is the subject of the OP. No one is forcing you to post here.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:58 PM

19. Everything's a conspiracy.

 

Everything, I tells ya.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:26 AM

20. Lets go through it

Clintons & Trump are buddies, Big Dawg 'encourages' Trump to run, (Conspiracy)
Hillary and Trump acting like it's already the General Election, with (Opinion)
the blessing of the M$M who loves this handy excuse to continue to
ignore Bernie's amazing campaign. (Conspiracy)

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:13 AM

23. OK.

 

All things you label as "conspiracy" are fairly well documented.

A) Clintons & Trump are buddies <-- please see pics illustrating that upstring.

B) Big Dawg 'encourages' Trump to run. <-- please click link below
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2015/08/05/bill-clinton-encouraged-trump.html

C) M$M is eager and willing to ignore Bernie at every opportunity. <-- click links below
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-bias-mainstream-media-undermines-sanders-every-turn
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/18/4_subtle_and_not_so_subtle_ways_the_media_undermines_bernie_sanders_partner/
http://billmoyers.com/2014/10/30/bernie-sanders-big-money-big-media/

As for my "opinion" that "Hillary and Trump (are) acting like it's already the General Election"; I'll just
say yes, that is my opinion .. which, as I understand it, every DU member is entitled to share, provided
it complies with the ToS, just as you're stating your 'opinion' to the contrary.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:46 PM

5. Joe Scarborough Compares Trump's Run For President To The Producers

I am not a fan of Morning Joe but this comment that I saw on MM (I do not watch Morning Joe) hit home http://mediamatters.org/video/2015/12/22/joe-scarborough-compares-trumps-run-for-preside/207651

JOE SCARBOROUGH (HOST): It goes back to what the SNL skit from '88. I can't believe we're losing to this guy. Alex often says this is what they're thinking. I'm guessing they're in the embarrassed crowd, and it really is -- somebody said, I guess it was on Twitter I read this -- that there's so much information out there. It's like The Producers. Like they are purposely trying -- Trump's purposely trying to fail. He's working overtime. This is his "Springtime for Hitler." And he's purposely trying to fail. And the more he tries to fail, the more successful he gets.

MIKA BRZEZINSKI (HOST): Stop.

SCARBOROUGH: This is like -- you see the Mel Brooks scene when Larry David was on, and it was on "Curb" when he did it, and they said, we've got to kill -- Mel Brooks in a headband -- we've got to kill this thing. And Larry David goes out and is so bad that people are just absolutely fascinated by it. This is the political equivalent of "Springtime for Hitler."

BRZEZINSKI: No.

SCARBOROUGH: This is The Producers. Well, no, that's not a Trump reference. That's a Broadway reference.

There are time when the Trump campaign reminds me of the Producers

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:18 PM

16. If she'd said, it's as if Trump is working on a recruiting video for ISIS. Not a good move.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:49 PM

6. Fuck Donald Trump.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 09:24 PM

11. fuck trump

...Hillary didn't lie about trump videos advantaged by ISIS - no more than Sanders lied about his Libya vote.

Both exaggerated to make their point. Trump doesn't deserve a moment's cover here. I think this is a despicable tactic.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:51 AM

21. I'm not promoting Trump here. What in the world makes you think that?

 

I don't thing I'm doing that? I hate tRump as much as you. He is indeed "despicable" IMO.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Tue Dec 22, 2015, 10:04 PM

14. I recommend letting this one sink. n/t

 

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Response to MeNMyVolt (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:53 AM

22. I'd be happy if it did myself actually

 

I'm not enjoying this very much, but don't feel inclined to self-delete, because
I feel it is a legitimate question I'm raising. Hell it was all over the evening news
in at least two places that I referenced and/or linked.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:23 AM

24. The ISIS lie from her that I'm most disturbed about

is her claim that it would hurt ISIS to take out Assad. I don't care much about her lies about Trump. I do care about her lies to try to get the middle east even more screwed up. Her foreign policy is an epic failure.

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Response to jfern (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 01:33 AM

25. I hear you.

 

I wouldn't even be bringing this up at all, if it were not for Lawrence O'Donnell's rather
lengthy segment on this, raising the questions he raised about Hill's choice to fight
Trump on his own terms, rather than modeling for the public how a public official or
candidate can graciously admit an 'exaggeration' and move on unscathed .. rather than
digging in her heals with "hell no"..

I don't even have an ax to grind on this really, and kind of wish I hadn't even posted this
OP, because no one seems to want to discuss it seriously. Now that I have tho, I don't
feel I've said anything wrong, or that hasn't already been reported by the press, so I'm
not inclined to self-delete either.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:23 AM

26. Since there is no such video - why is

 

she digging her heels in?

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Response to 840high (Reply #26)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:40 AM

28. Mrs. Clinton mis-spoke but will not apologise!

That is how Mrs. Clinton operates! I do like Mr. Sanders over her. I am in Canada and have no say in you all electoral process.

How many times a person wants to get back in the White House and succeeds? Third time, not sure if Mrs. Clinton will be successful!

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Response to jfern (Reply #24)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:31 AM

27. Mrs. Clinton miss quoted as she always does!

Remember Bosnia, arriving under sniper fire. I just want these politicians to be honest. Who are they fooling when they lie? It speaks more about their credibility and our apprehension to vote for them. I never thought that politicians lie but this year, the GOP candidates take the cake, especially Trump!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Wed Dec 23, 2015, 05:07 AM

29. Did Trump...

cry on your shoulder about it? "OH POOR MR. TRUMP!"

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