2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn Iowa Sanders' support rose +34% and Clinton's dropped -8%, and in NH Sanders rose +40% while
Clinton's support dropped -1% in 2015.
Des Moines Register poll of January 2015: Clinton 56%; Sanders 5%
Des Moines Register poll of December 2015: Clinton 48%; Sanders 39%
Franklin Pierce/Boston Herald poll of March 2015: Clinton 47%; Sanders 8%
Franklin Pierce/Boston Herald poll of December 2015: Clinton 46%; Sanders 48%
Not a bad year so far for Sanders. I can't hardly wait to see what's in store for 2016!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)to within striking distance. Hell, the Boston Herald puts him ahead.
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roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)Hillary is very comfortable with her lead.....which is why I am getting emails stating that she could lose the nomination and if I could please donate $1. I get at least 2 a day.
Sounds like she is trying to bump up her individual contributor numbers.
But she leading on land lines and every poll except the ones where she isn't.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Clinton would be an utter fool to consider herself "comfortably" ahead of Sanders. And I doubt she would agree with you.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Bernie is surging...HRC is trending down...HRC is losing in New Hampshire.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)target to begin with. He was after the huge demographic of Independents who are now the biggest voting bloc, but he IS cutting into even her small base, by one third at this point.
His other large demographic, which Hillary has no support from, is the growing non voter demographic. I eg, have been signing up non voters for Bernie, not part of any traditional polls. Huge numbers of people have opted out of the entire system, see the Mid Terms eg, BECAUSE of the Status Quo, but are bringing them back into the system, rather BERNIE is. Hillary will get none of that vote, neither will Trump et al.
Hillary already has admitted, because they KNOW what you apparently don't, that she 'could lose this' in her email after the last debate. They KNOW they are in trouble because the people are ANGRY and no, they have not recovered what they lost due to the corruption of Wall St. And yes, they are angry that Wall St was bailed out while they were left to try to recover what they lost, homes, jobs, savings and most have not.
Sad that our government is so out of touch with the people they are supposed to represent.
But one candidate in this race understands all of this, and it isn't Hillary.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)According to the latest Boston Herald poll.
That's simply amazing!!
These rising poll numbers dovetail nicely with the crowds of 2,000, 1,700 and 1,600 at Sander's last three Iowa rallies.
The last month of campaigning in Iowa will be unprecedented. I'm betting that Sander's crowds will surpass Obama's.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)uberblonde
(1,215 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)have a prior poll to compare this poll against).
If ARG had done some prior polling, you could see if these numbers were an improvement for Clinton or an improvement for Sanders but it is difficult to infer a trend from one data point.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)...so I'll take that, with the NH poll mentioned here.
Great numbers. He's rising!
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)were live phone polls where the same pollster did a poll in December and also did a poll early in the year.
JI7
(89,241 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)O'Malley and Sanders both started out polling at less than one percent in Iowa.
Sanders is now within striking distance of Clinton (by 5, according to CBS/YouGov); whereas O'Malley sits at around 5-6 percent.
Another point that demonstrates the growth and accomplishment of the Sanders campaign.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)why mom could be the future of the democratic party...long, but a good read
http://www.newsweek.com/why-martin-omalley-could-be-future-democratic-party-393589
ronbison
(20 posts)I think I see how it works now. If a poll shows Hillary improving, it is flawed or biased and does not reflect reality. However, if a poll shows Bernie improving, then it is proof positive that he is on his way to the nomination and the poll must not be questioned. Now I will vote for whoever gets the nomination, but the double standard on the veracity of polls is rather glaring.
That's probably a record, 8 posts and he made an ignore list...LOL
bvf
(6,604 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)you are using the poll to preemptively declare a winner before the votes are cast.
Polls that show Clinton ahead in Iowa probably indicate that she is -- more likely than not -- currently ahead in Iowa at this moment.
Polls that show Sanders ahead in NH probably indicate that he is -- more likely than not -- currently ahead in NH at this moment.
What's so complicated about that?
Do current polls in Iowa and New Hampshire generally provide more salient information than national polls? Yes.
Are live phone polls that sample a large number of landlines and cell phones generally more reliable than robo-call polls? Yes.
Is a pollster who has both a good track record of accuracy and also a long involvement polling this cycle in the particular state generally more reliable that an infrequent pollster or a pollster will little or no track record? Yes.
All of these generalities apply to polling regardless of whether it currently encourages Clinton or currently encourages Sanders.
ronbison
(20 posts)Just for making an observation that in no way disparaged either candidate. Bernie would be upset by such kneejerk reactions. Trump would love it though.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)ETA:
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)This is about the most misleading dishonest post I have ever seen.
Enjoy your delusions!
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Iowa and New Hampshire polling in January and where is it now?
How can you dispute she is falling and he is rising?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)The opposite is true with Hillary.
TheFarseer
(9,317 posts)And the next poll shows Hillary WAY ahead? I'm done looking at polls. Let's just vote for who we like and not care about who other people with other priorities are voting for.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)are generally NH polls, and polls showing Clinton far ahead are generally meaningless national polls. Here is how 538 explained the meaninglessness of the national polls:
Ignore national primary polls they measure nothing. (But state polls matter.) Unlike in general elections, when all states vote on the same day, the primary calendar is sequential; each states results often affect the next states. The national polls dont add to your understanding of the race just look at surveys of the upcoming states.