2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumJust What Happened to President Obama?
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Millions thought we had elected a progressive candidate to the presidency.
1) Either you believe that Pres. Obama fully intended to be a populist POTUS.
OR
2) What he said about helping us/working for the disenfranchised during the campaign was mere rhetoric.
If 1) is TRUE, what happened to change his actions/focus? Was it just diminished expectations?
Was it a belief that Republicans would work with him? Why wasn't he more firm when it became
abundantly clear that they would not cooperate under any circumstances? Or was it something else?
If 2) is TRUE, wouldn't that require that we more carefully gauge the veracity of statements
made on the campaign trail by a study of the candidate's previous record, so we would have a
greater assurance that our candidate would follow through on what his/her platform states
is the plan of action to achieve the desired result.
THIS SHOULD BE OUR DEFAULT RESPONSE TO WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR LAST
CANDIDATE...NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON!
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)sonofspy777
(360 posts)That's all you got?
-Jon Stewart
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)...doesn't mean everyone does.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I would think after all these years you would have figured that out.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)Oh so sorry life ain't perfect.
If you have to ask you haven't been involved.
Broward
(1,976 posts)we have much less reason to buy into Clinton's occasional progressive rhetoric given her track record.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Hillary is triangulating
Hillary Clinton the occasional progressive...
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... that wasn't reality based thinking
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Congress, however, worked hard to bust his balloon. And after he threw all his supporters under the bus, the public wasn't willing to support his lukewarm efforts of triangulation.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... by concrete facts and one of the reasons I was turned off of Sanders in the first place.
tia
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)as he wasn't even thinking of running then.
If you weren't around 8 years ago, how would you know? It was a public scandal on this website.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... not, I'm just asking for facts.
How did Obama throw his supporters under the bus?
tia
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INdemo
(6,994 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... logic
Second - like Sanders Moore doesn't mention congress... just minimizes congress's effect; sounds peevish at best
Third - none of these people where anything like they demanded Obama to be... Moore or Sanders, they talk shit from afar but they weren't leading marches, organizing mass registrations in red state areas or recruiting and funding people to run with a message from the left.
They sat and boo'd...
Love them like a play cousin but they TALK a good game
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)politics isn't make believe
awake
(3,226 posts)If you look at what he has done with no help from others it is amazing
Blanks
(4,835 posts)He has accomplished about as much as I expected he would.
I admire the president's character for how he has stayed positive despite the hateful rhetoric from the right, but the president has less control over the government than a lot of people seem to believe (particularly presidential candidates), and I expect the president learns a lot upon becoming president that changes what they said and believed on the campaign trail.
RKP5637
(67,102 posts)his stamina and keeping it together despite all of the sh** that was thrown at him. I find him to be an amazing individual. Also, as you say, he is not a king, not a dictator. He can not just wave a magical wand and make things happen. Also, often, many of his critics do not understand how government works. It is a balanced system, one does not rule all just because they are president.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Expanding the drone wars and allowing signature strikes and double taps.
Prosecuting whistle blowers acting in the public interest.
Using the Espionage Act more than any other President to criminalize investigative journalism.
Claiming the right to declare citizens to be Enemies of the State and then execute them without due process.
Elective warfare against Libya based upon false claims of genocide.
Expanding the blanket surveillance programs began by Bush.
Increasing military operations in Africa by 217%.
Congress didn't make him do any of that.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... with only 59 days of majority in both houes
But that doesn't matter, he compromised on 10 out of the 10,000 liberal positions and therefore deserves to be hated
by some
But Bernie will be able to miraculously turn us into a Scandinavian socialist paradise all by himself.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)- More people have health insurance.
- Income taxes are more progressive than under Bush.
- Obama's DOJ allowed marijuana legalization in states such as Colorado (instead of suing to stop it.)
- Obama's DOJ is reducing Civil Asset Forfeitures (the gov't seizing people's property on dubious grounds).
- Obama's Supreme Court nominees gave us nationwide gay-marriage.
sonofspy777
(360 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)1. Obamacare was actually a plan proposed by the right wing Heritage Foundation and first adopted by Mitt Romney
2. Income taxes just went back to Clinton levels. Nothing as high as it was before Reagan.
3. True, but Obama also hasn't been so kind in terms of deporting immigrants.
4. Natural response from something so obviously outrageous.
5. Obama only replaced liberal judges, Anthony Kennedy was still the deciding vote.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...if John McCain had been elected in 2008, then he'd have appointed two conservative justices, and the Supreme Court ruling on gay-marriage this year would have gone the other way. The court would have said that there is no constitutional right to gay-marriage.
We got the pro gay-marriage ruling this year because Obama won in 2008.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... is then!!!
/sarcasm <--- cause that is needed around here
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)Or is it the Bernie tag line?
sonofspy777
(360 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Factor that the statement "Political Promise" is a joke and will get you a lot of laughs, and unless my memory is bad a few years ago the Washington state supreme court actually said it was ok to lie in political speeches
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)thank you!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)with him and given us issues to fight for.
From "Yes, WE can." to "I got this." was a serious error.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... out of Obama without having an FDR congress which was 80% PROGRESSIVE during FDRs 4 terms
-none
(1,884 posts)And was given a description of the Horse Head scene from the God Father and what would happen if he did not cooperate with the real rulers on matters of their concern.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)-none
(1,884 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)to fulfill his campaign promises.
I think after the 2010 defeat, he lost hope in continuing to fulfill what he promised and switched from offense to defense (he switched from trying to win more victories for America to focus on keeping hold of the victories he won in the first two years of his presidency).
I think Obama wanted too much to work with Congress and mistakenly assumed that Congress would put America's interests above intraparty political interests.
Obama has accomplished much (not a tenth as much progressive domestic legislation as FDR, not a quarter as much as LBJ, and not quite as much as Nixon), but he's played too much defense and not enough offense since 2010. Obama pitched too much of his agenda to Congress and not enough to the electorate.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Only Bernie can do this. Hillary is too beholden to the interests that must be criticized.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)2014, and he didn't push (and isn't pushing) change hard enough in 2010, 2012, 2014, or now.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)...with that doesn't give a damn what people who vote for them think... what "push" or actions would've made them act?
tia
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)he should have campaigned (and should now be campaigning) for candidates who support his agenda.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... that EOs would've guaranteed zero compromise which is what Sanders is intimating he'll give.
Other than the TPP and 1 or 2 other things Obama has kicked ass, and for the most part most of the SBS folk loath Obama (or at the least that's what they sound like)...
There's no reason to believe SBS is going to go into office like gangbusters and do too much different than what Obama has done in trying to move the country foward
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Then he couldn't find his comfortable shoes and I knew it was more of the same. I think he has done a fine job otherwise. I think his legacy will largely be positive and go down among one of the better presidents of recent times.
sonofspy777
(360 posts)I don't think he had thought out what the likely backlash would be...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Not the kind of consequences and transformation we would like but he takes the cake by those standards.
kath
(10,565 posts)Recovered from.
Both were soooooo fucking awful.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)For 6 out of his 8 years in office too. Obama had 2 years with a solid Democratic majority in both houses. For the last 4 years he's had to deal with Republicans in one and/or both chambers in Congress. SCOTUS has overturned some of his administrative actions too.
brush
(53,764 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)Dems controlled the House and Senate from 2009-2011
brush
(53,764 posts)Without that it was not filibuster proof which means the obstructionist repugs actually controlled/control the senate for all but 2 months of the Obama administration, which is the reality, and despite that this administration accomplished quite a bit.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)His accomplishment s during his first two years were impressive but he clearly did not enjoy the same relationship with Congress that GWB did.
brush
(53,764 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... that actually caused 24 billion in cost because of a useless shut down
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)The election of 2008 ended and people went home and left it to one person to lift the nation out of a financial pit and to repair the world. And when it didn't happen post haste, they punished him by handing him a congress rife with Teabaggers through sitting on votes and then punished him more by denigrating every step he took. To add insult to injury, he was constantly dogged for being a dictator while being expected to act like one since he wound up relying on executive orders to carry policies forward. I think he has done the very best he could to be a president for the whole nation and the limits of of the powers of the office. Who the hell needs Republicans to kneecap a Democratic Party president when the left will do the work for them?
The government is made of of many moving parts beyond the office of the President. It is grossly unrealistic to expect one person in one elected office to supplant all branches of government. It is grossly negligent to excuse the inactions of the do-nothing, obstructionist Congress and to not work hard to replace them with responsive legislators or to show up at the polls to vote.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)You're re-writing history.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)I get it the need to scapegoat further. I'm not sure who you appoint to clean up a complicated mess other than having to tap into the assistance of some of those who might know where the bodies are buried. I don't think anything is that simple.
Bottom line is that the left failed miserably.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Romulox
(25,960 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)is the President's fault and no one else has responsibility for actions or inactions, starting with the voter. Whatever floats your boat. He's done a damned fine job in spite of ideologues of all stripes.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Get used to people pointing out uncomfortable facts.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... president didn't do and they're Lionized among progressives.
GeorgeGist
(25,318 posts)sonofspy777
(360 posts)but he abandoned the bully pulpit.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)He made pretty amazing use of the bully pulpit. You did have to be paying attention, though. Sadly few were.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)...Sanders will be better in some eyes if he puts on the table things he already knows is a no go?!!
Really!?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)is far more important, than actually accomplishing, imperfect, stuff.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... I posted to DSB that they think most Obama supporters are LIVs...
Another reality no doubt
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But it doesn't stop there ... I think the think they are possessed of some special wisdom/know how ... when, the only thing "special" is their ability to ignore what life has taught them; be it, in politics, government, the importance of relationships, and really, life, itself.
We see this is all the "all we have/had to do is {insert series of politically unlikely events here}" statements and all the statements that "employment = a political statement."
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)can count ... particularly, the latter two, who have spent their careers counting votes.
Unlike, their keyboard critics.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"supportive left" (as represented on DU), during/immediately after his every speech addressing the concerns of the left, saying exactly what they called for him to say ... except of course, he indicated that the left had a hand in accomplishing their own aims ... while wailing that he wasn't using the B/P, too?
treestar
(82,383 posts)for why Congress should do what the POTUS wants!
It's their fault we didn't get more progress as they helped bring about the R Congress. Which they still demanded the bully pulpit control!
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)progressoid
(49,969 posts)Nationwide, 21% are either consistently liberal or consistently conservative in their political values. But these people make up a larger share of the electorate 28% of people who say they always vote and 34% of those who always vote in primaries.
This pattern is even stronger at higher levels of activism. Consistent liberals and conservatives make up 41% of the people who have made a campaign donation over the past two years double their presence in the public at large.
http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/12/section-5-political-engagement-and-activism/
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Why is he so bent on inflicting that awful TPP on us, when it is clear that most people (other than the corporate beneficiaries) are against it?
Why did he throw real universal health care under the bus by failing to support even a mild first step in that direction (public option) while forcing Americans to buy health insurance they can't afford?
And when Democratic congressional candidates sound like moderate Republicans in mid terms, do you blame people for sitting it out?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)and it had nothing at all to do with HIM, or the right? got it.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)When Democrats lose, it's ALWAYS because of the left. We need to punish them and their wrong ideas by moving further to the right!
When Democrats win, it just proves we don't need the left! Let's go ahead and move further to the right! There's a mandate for it!
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)around here gets pretty tiresome, doesn't it.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... he's claiming he'll get all this shit down without an FDR congress.
Its silly
treestar
(82,383 posts)so that the bully pulpit they are always touting would have had effect. They needed to overlook any flaws they found. Instead they sought out flaws and wailed away at them, exaggerating and making it look like the President no longer had support of those who voted for him. That trashed the "bully pulpit" that is supposed to be so miraculous. Though it would have been short of miraculous, it might have had some effects if everyone knew he had solid backing from voters.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)If one of the parties is in charge of the Presidency or one of the Houses of congress and is determined to obstruct passage of bills, they can and often with just short of 100% effectiveness.
The fact that this needs to be mentioned or argued here is very disappointing.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Those are the percentages of eligible voters who turned out in the 2010 midterms. Why so low for Hispanics?
...
You cant say during a campaign, A child should not be taken from her mothers arms and Children should not come home to find their parents have been taken away by immigration officials, and then conduct one of the most massive deportations of immigrants in the history of the country, said Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez (D-Ill.), who blamed Obamas immigration stance for lackluster turnout among Latinos.
The administration is on track to deport more undocumented immigrants than any previous administration Republican or Democrat in history.
....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/latino-and-asian-voters-mostly-sat-out-2010-election-report-says/2011/04/26/AFr6X6qE_story.html
Even Obama attributes midterm losses to young'uns, single women, blacks and Latinos.
And lily white *leftists* aren't to blame.
Poor Obama, not culpable for *anything* in some minds.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)unprecedented hatred and obstruction are monumental and will likely go down in history as the hardest working and one of the most accomplished president of all times.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... legilsation that he knows isn't going to go anywhere
JI7
(89,244 posts)Obama was never popular on DU. He was never liked by a certain crowd which mostly battles on the internet.
He is still popular and lived by the democratic party and that has not changed.
After Obama won many wanted to claim it as their own even if they did not support him.
Obama had very little support on du compared to kucinich and even edwards.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Your statement is false.
JI7
(89,244 posts)Obama and Clinton were about the same.
randys1
(16,286 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Don't rewrite that history.
JI7
(89,244 posts)The fact that kucinich and edwards had more support is true.
Many do end up getting behind the nominee because they are the nominee.
But it's rewriting history to try to claim he was seen by others as something when that was not true.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I was here, and you're not going to change that reality. Sure, there are exceptions to the rule (see PUMA, above), but they're just that--exceptions.
JI7
(89,244 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)After the primary was decided, both Kuch and Edwards were nonentities--and in the case of Edwards, a disgraced nonentity. You can keep pretending we're talking about a different timeframe, but we're not, and no sleight of hand on your part is going to change that. Again, I was here.
Number23
(24,544 posts)and has been called every idiotic "insult" that the 2nd grader that apparently lurks in the heart of large swaths of DU could come up with.
He has been castigated, not just criticized, since before he took office. Every damn step he took here was wrong according to some here. And yet like you said, the folks who have done nothing but carp and criticize are also the first ones claiming his victories and successes as their own. It is astonishing.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)seriously? seriously??? President Obama has been the best President of my lifetime despite the fact that he was opposed at every turn by the Republicans, and all us passionate people that voted for him and then didn't keep up the fight...
the real question is "Just what happened to Democratic voters" civil responsibility does not end at the voting booth and that is exactly why it will take a lot of convincing for me to back Bernie considering how so many abandoned Obama when the going got difficult...
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Don't forget arne Duncan either.
still_one
(92,116 posts)Supreme Court justices that did not subscribe to the Scalia policy of justice, Iran nuclear agreement, major environmental accord with the international community, and so many other things that I won't name since the OP is just trying to create an Obama bashing thread.
By a wide margin the vast majority of Democrats appreciate and approve of most of what the president has done or tried to do
Romulox
(25,960 posts)still_one
(92,116 posts)Prevented, the auto industry saved, and thousands of jobs were saved. There is no point
Happy new year
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... that out in critques of Obama
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)This whole kabuki theater event played out exactly as planned. Democratic Party leaders know that all one need do is make promises to the rank-and-file - following through is not necessary, because the rank-and-file has no interest in holding candidates accountable. They will rationalize any bad policy in order to feel like their side is winning against the other side.
randome
(34,845 posts)It's always easier to go negative, isn't it?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"Everybody is just on their feet screaming 'Kill Kill Kill'! This is -hockey- Conservative values!"[/center][/font][hr]
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)according to a writer for Washington Monthly:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all
pansypoo53219
(20,969 posts)Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)am ashamed that you all made it so easy and OP, do you really think Obama changed?
Did you ever go to the whitehouse.gov page and tell him you supported him, did you ever contact your federal legislators and ask them to support the President's agenda?
On several occasions the President said he can't do it without you. The President didn't change, his voters allowed themselves to be turned against him. Why?
Because if you are that easy to turn it won't matter who is elected.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)ALL of the "populist" issues he ran on hit the trash can on Day 1.
*Make EFCA (Card Check) the Law of he Land
*Immediately renegotiate NAFTA to protect American jobs
*Label all GMOs with content and Country of Origin Labels
*Close GITMO
*Raise taxes on the rich
*Lift the CAP on FISA deductions
*The Public Option
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)Other Presidents have done it that way, and even Obama himself took Kucinich For-a Ride alone on AF1 because Kucinich wouldn't support Health Care Plan without a Public Option.
BY the time AF1 landed, Kucinch has seen the light.
--------------------------------------------------
Read Up on "The Johnson Treatment".
http://thejohnsonpost.blogspot.com/2009/08/johnson-treatment.html
http://thejohnsonpost.blogspot.com/2009/08/johnson-treatment.html
If LBJ didn't "have the votes", he didn't throw his hands up and sulk in the Oval Office.
He went out and GOT those votes. All 535 Congressmen and Senators WANT something.
LBJ knew how to cut a DEAL to gt what he wanted.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... them something they can't refuse?
The GOP in congress should be in jail not be dealt with, they admitted on TV that they went after Clinton to persuade her ratings...
These people can not be given a deal that's legal...
this has been obvious from 2010
bvar22
(39,909 posts)it was the 3rd Way Conservative Democrats. Instead, he rewards them for their obstruction:
(Arkansas Democratic Primary, 2010)
Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you dont support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but well support a primary challenger against you. Obamas support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024586209
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)here try this...
http://wtfhasobamadonesofar.com/1/
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But you know what? I didn't expect him to. Seemed pretty obvious that America's reaction to his election would be "OMFG A BLACK GUY!" and then they'd throw every republican they had at congress. aaaaand yup.
S'okay. I voted for the 'hope" part, not the "change" part. The way I saw it, Barack Obama is a foot in the door. he can wedge it open, but not quite push all the way through. That would be the job of the next two terms.
This is why I support sanders over Clinton. Sanders will shove the hell out of that door. Clinton will let it slam shut, and then spend the next four - not eight, just four - years knocking politely and asking it to open itself.
senz
(11,945 posts)except the part about Clinton knocking on the door. If she makes it to the presidency, she will continue to be uninterested in the welfare of the American people. Our only hope would be her interest in leaving a fabulous, wasn't-she-wonderful legacy.
Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)Sometimes we forget that DU is for everyone, not just those who have a large number of posts. Everyone needs time to get used to things here. Agree with this post or not, the member has a right to express an opinion.
comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)by his relatively successful presidency. But I understand that people are quite fallible and rarely attain perfection. Few human beings can attain the level of purity demanded by some here at DU.
senz
(11,945 posts)He is a pragmatist and peacemaker by nature (I know this from an extensive 2008 New Yorker piece that relied on interviews and quotes from his Chicago associates) and a decent humanitarian who had something very precious (first AA president) to protect. I don't think he expected either the hatred from rightwing scumballs nor the resolve-crushing power of transnational corporations.
He was caught between a rock and a hard place and did what he could.
I still consider him a good guy and love his family, too.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)He literally ran on a campaign where he said he'd put Republicans in his cabinet.
And he did.
People just had thick, really thick, rose colored glasses, and couldn't see through the rhetoric.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)We werent ready for a black president: Race, hate, Donald Trump, guns, Fox News, terror and our tragic American condition
Right-wing pseudo-statesmen haven't changed, grown up or dropped the race-baiting, even as Obama has delivered
If nothing else, 2015 offered a rolling reminder of the first year of Barack Obamas presidency with its numerous parallel events and template-setting episodes that have now come to a full head of hateful steam in the emergent American Serbia of the mind, if not deed. The embodiment is Donald Trump, presidential candidate, notorious birther, resident American fascist and bomb-thrower.
If hope and change were the Obama buzzwords in 2009, the lesson of 2015 is that a bunch of overstimulated, hopelessly right-wing pseudo statesmen havent changed, grown up, dropped the sub rosa race-bait narrativeeven as Obama delivered on his fair share of what he promised way back when.
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/31/we_werent_ready_for_a_black_president_race_hate_donald_trump_guns_fox_news_terror_and_our_tragic_american_condition/
The article documents a timeline of the evolution of increasing acceptance of the hate directed towards Obama. It was that trend that opened the door for Trump redirect the hate towards fellow citizens.
Republicans did everything they good to thwart Obama's efforts at every turn. We watched someone say "you lie" during the SOTU address. And we did not mobilize in elections or activism.
When it became clear that we are not as advanced as we thought we were in terms of race relations, we threw up our hands and gave up rather than mobilize knowing we took a step and that we have so many more to go.
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uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... the same thing on a different day and they're expecting different results
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)He has been a good President. He has gotten a lot done and would have gotten more done if the (R)s were not abusing their power to block everything he tries to do.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The obstruction that they gave to William Clinton, a white Southerner, was much less than the obstruction that they have practiced for 7 years with a Northern, black President. But that aside, President Obama had distinguished himself more by his rhetoric than by his actual positions. He could easily have run for office as a Republican in the 1960s.
And there is the unavoidable, but often ignored, fact that even though the majority of his donors were small contribution people, the majority of Obama's money came from the 1% in the FIRE sector of the economy. The push for the TPP that the President is making is the quo in the quid pro quo. The FIRE sector expected things from the President. He has not disappointed, and neither have the Democrats in Congress. Whether dealing with health care, trade, or union/workers rights, the Democrats have delivered, and not for the bottom 99%.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)There is Campaign Obama, First Term Obama and Second Term Obama.
I liked Campaign Obama. First Term Obama was pretty good too.
But Second Term Obama seems like a different person.
Which is the real one? You tell me.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)an unchanging world. That we would not have to rise to meet differing sets of circumstances or actors. We have seen the results of those in positions of power striking postures which they refuse to budge as we have watched the Teabagger congress trash every effort made to legislate over the past seven years. That is reality. I don't see the value of electing someone who is inflexible nor do I care to see a bastardized form of the disaster of the Teabagger experiment created on the left. We need to get down to business and get some work done.
brush
(53,764 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)gave up WS, TPP, and BushCo.
He was playing 3-D chess the whole time, but with liberals, not Republican pols.
brush
(53,764 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)are you trying to say he got everything he wanted (playing 3-D chess with the Rs [snicker snicker])?
Like, he really wanted ACA and got it, he really wanted TPP and got it, he really wanted to bailout WS and let them all walk and got it (bonus: he really didn't want to prosecute BushCo, and got it).
We're trying to rationalize why he let us down time and again and gave away so much. No way he would have beaten Hillary in 2008 if he hadn't convinced us he was going to change Washington. That's when he started playing the 3-D chess (with Liberals).
That's pretty straight forward. What's your question?
brush
(53,764 posts)You wrote he "gave up". Did you mean "gave us"?
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)I meant *you're* not your
brush
(53,764 posts)Did you mean "he gave us WS, TPP, and BushCo" instead of "he gave up" WS, TPP, and BushCo?
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I felt he was quite clear about this during both the priamry and general election seasons. Some people chose to ignore it, telling themselves if he made some sort of hawkish comment on military affairs that he 'didn't really mean it' or somesuch, and those people have been very very disappointed by the collision of their illusions with reality.
I, on the other hand, am very satisfied with his presidency because he has governed much as I expected him to do. He has policies that I don't agree with and has fallen short on some issues I care about, but I don't feel like he's sold me out or anything.