Elizabeth Warren SLAMS Hillary Clinton With Most Damaging Evidence To Date

[leftcoastmountains]

[senz]

1. Everyone should see this video.

[ChiciB1]

128. We Need To Make Sure We "Share" It With As Many As We Can! n/t

[CorporatistNation]

152. Capitol One Spokesperson & MegaStar Samuel L Jackson..Anyone STILL Wonder WHY Sam ENDORSED HILLARY?

Ya think his employer (Capitol One) might just have "suggested" to Sammy that endorsing HillBill might be a nice idea?

It IS ALL 'Bout da CA$H! And some hillbillies still think that their hero will "regulate" Wall Street? WTF kind of idiots are we talk'in about?
Oh they have an excuse... COGNITIVE DISSONANCE Look in mirror and try and convince yerself if you still are voting for Hillary after watching Liz Warren.

[CorporatistNation]

155. As A Former Democratic Nominee for A U.S. House Seat... I Got "The Offer To "Play Ball..."

I did not take it... However the lesson is that most candidates do including Hillary unquestionably. My response when I was given the offer to "play ball" with Big Pharma was this, "Where would my credibility be if I did the same thing as my republican opponent?"

So here is a credible individual in Liz Warren describing The Democratic "Front runner" first encouraging her husband not to sign the same bill that she would later vote in favor of fully acquainted as to its potential negative consequences yet she votes for it anyway.

Nice... Hillary... Nice...

[Karma13612]

168. I made a similar comment after 'Sam's' endorsement the other

Day and someone really took offense to it.

I still can't see his endorsement as voluntary.

This video is old but still packs a punch!

[ChiciB1]

211. Hmmmm... I'm A Bernie Supporter. n/t

[onehandle]

2. Is that the same Elizabeth Warren who signed a letter urging Hillary to run?

Just wondering.

[senz]

3. Yes, a MEANINGLESS letter that some still cling to.

Every single Democratic woman in the Senate signed that perfunctory letter as a sign of solidarity with female candidates. Period. Nothing "personal" about it.

But don't think for a second that Elizabeth is willing to abandon everything she stands for.

[Karma13612]

169. +1000. Eom

[Arkana]

200. She's going to endorse the nominee.

I hate to break it to you, but Warren's a politician now, and if she picks a side pre-general she will lose some of her support base.

[senz]

202. Of course, and I don't blame her.

Thanks, but you're not "breaking" anything to me. If anything, you're breaking it to those who consider the group letter of encouragement for Hillary's run to be a serious endorsement of Hillary's policies.

Some of them still don't get the difference.

[djean111]

7. I think that letter was just a courtesy letter of encouragement, and not an actual endorsement.

The letter certainly did not replace Warren's feelings about Hillary and Wall Street.
And Warren has not endorsed Hillary. As a Bernie supporter, I gotta say that if Warren does endorse Hillary over Bernie, I would just consider that political and it would not change my support of Bernie or my wish that Warren was able to run for prez (if Bernie didn't) or be Bernie's VP. Also, Hillary naming Warren as VP would not get me to support Hillary, as this, IMO, would just be pandering, and not a partnership. IMO and all that.

[Art_from_Ark]

24. Warren's signing of that letter was not an endorsement

"Despite signing a letter that urged Clinton to run for president in 2013, Warren has so far declined to officially endorse her campaign. The senator, who liberal organizers failed to draft into a presidential campaign for much of 2014 and 2015, told CNN earlier this year that the letter she signed was not an endorsement for the Clinton campaign."

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/30/politics/hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-fundraiser/

[djean111]

26. Thank you. n/t

[Enthusiast]

121. Huge +1!

[Gloria]

190. Ah, but it IS an example of Warren the POL....

yes, she IS a politician now...so, while old videos are nice, she's pretty circumspect now....

You can be SURE she will act in her own best interests...because she is a POLITICIAN.....

She has "evolved"......

[hollysmom]

83. heck a lot of people here would have encouraged Trump to run, but not vote for him

he is doing a good job at exposing bigotry in this country.

ETA not saying they are the same at all in any way, just that encouraging to run and endorsing is two different things

[onehandle]

117. What are 'Warren's feelings about Hillary?' You say they are the same as her Wall Street ones.

Where did Warren say this and what did she say.

[sabrina 1]

78. Is that the letter that all Dems Senators are required to sign? I mean seriously, you belong to a

political party and the leadership asks you to sign a letter agreeing that someone else in your party should run for higher office. What are you going to do?

[onehandle]

112. Female Democratic Senators and nobody twisted her arm. nt

[Laser102]

183. I guess she is missing the attention so now she is against Hillary. Who needs her?

[Thinkingabout]

4. Huumm, Senator Warren signed a letter to get Hillary to run for

President, go figure. She has signed this letter after this video.

[senz]

6. Every single female Senator signed it. It meant NOTHING.

You'll notice she hasn't endorsed Hillary.

Watch the video, it'll do you good.

[Thinkingabout]

9. You'll notice she hasn't endorsed Sanders either. She has also

Talked about Hillary being a fast learner and listens.

[sabrina 1]

92. She has stated that 'Bernie is doing a great job' and of course she is correct, he is. He is

addressing issues that the people WANT addressed, refusing to be distracted by personal attacks, and there have been many from Hillary and her campaign and supporters.

Warren hasn't come out and endorsed him but she has praised his campaign. Haven't seen anything from her on Hillary's campaign yet.

[Thinkingabout]

95. Personal attacks on Hillary like this post?

[senz]

105. What, the OP? Nothing "personal" about it.

[Thinkingabout]

114. Like this:

Elizabeth Warren SLAMS Hillary Clinton With Most Damaging Evidence To Date

[senz]

118. Oh come on, that's not personal.

I have a feeling you and I cannot communicate very well w/one another. Oh well.

[Thinkingabout]

124. Read post #9,

"He is addressing issues that the people WANT addressed, refusing to be distracted by personal attacks, and there have been many from Hillary and her campaign and supporters."

[CorporatistNation]

153. TRUTH IS NEVER "SLAMMING" DEAR!

!

[Thinkingabout]

154. Exactly, when there are truthful post which may not be on the

Bright side of Sanders it is not slamming. What is slamming is when the video is edited and the good statements made by Warren are omitted then it is not the true story.

[riversedge]

15. So, Warrens signs meaningless letters. That does not say much for her integrity.

[Art_from_Ark]

27. No, that says she was a freshman Senator

who likely was being pressured to sign the letter.

[SunSeeker]

64. So Warren buckles to peer pressure?

Wow, if a Hillary support said that it would earn a hide.

[Art_from_Ark]

140. She was a newly-minted Senator at the time who was learning the ropes

She has since become one of the most respected and outspoken members of the Senate.

[SunSeeker]

142. So she was still learning and didn't know what she was doing?

I don't know which of your Warren insults are worse.

[Art_from_Ark]

143. Huh? What are you talking about?

She had been a Senator for only 3 months before that letter was pushed in her face. She didn't think of it as an endorsement, as she told CNN early last year.

Geez, it takes a while for new Senators to find their strengths. Warren has since found hers.

[SunSeeker]

146. What are you talking about?

You suggest that Warren either did not know what she was signing or pushed into signing it. Both are insults to Warren's intelligence and character.

Of course the letter is not an endorsement--Hillary was not running yet. That was the reason for the letter: to urge Hillary to run.

[Art_from_Ark]

148. Once again-- she was a freshman Senator

with no previous experience in elected office. She cannot possibly be a seasoned Senator from the beginning-- she HAS to spend time learning the ropes and developing her strengths. How hard is it to understand that? That letter was pushed into her face by fellow women Senators. And she signed it with the understanding that it was NOT an endorsement, despite what some of your fellow Hillary supporters are claiming.

[SunSeeker]

160. What "rope" did she not learn that caused her to sign the letter?

Seriously, you are arguing for some pretty poor character on the part of Elizabeth Warren, namely that she is inexplicably intimated by her "fellow female Senators" into signing a letter she did not understand nor agree with. Elizabeth Warren is a grown woman who knows what she is doing and what she is signing. Why would she be intimidated by a group of female Senators into signing a letter she would not have signed otherwise? Seems to me she signed the letter because she thinks Hillary is "terrific." She doesn't seem like she's lying here when she says that (at 0.30&quot :

[Marty McGraw]

191. What is the Harm

in encouraging a lot of individuals with the fortitude to do so into running for office. I thought we were the 'Big Tent'? Why not have many contenders in the race at first and whiddle it down to the best of them to head off with eachother? I'm still not seeing the big issue about Warren's urging for HC to run. I personally am not scared of the Big Tent and have confidence that the constituents of our party will make the right choice.

As far as that other party?.... well a whole different dynamic takes place when all the constituency has been strategically brainwashed.

[Laser102]

184. Was learning to be a politician and stab people in the back. Got it.

[senz]

33. Every woman in the Senate signed. It was a symbolic gesture.

Spinning will make you dizzy, be careful.

[riversedge]

47. "Yes, a MEANINGLESS letter that some still cling to. senz"

No spin. YOU said it.

[Duval]

106. riversedge, watch the video again, please. eom

[thesquanderer]

43. Saying you think it would be good for someone to run...

...doesn't mean you necessarily think they are the very best possible candidate for the job, or that you will necessarily ultimately give that person your endorsement.

I suspect that Warren does think Hillary would be a good President, and would not be at all unhappy if she were the next President. No one expects any candidate to be perfect, and I think it's safe to assume that Warren understands political realities.

Meanwhile, it seems that someone has come along who might better represent Warren's views, which might be why Warren has not yet endorsed anyone. If Sanders remains viable, she may yet endorse him; if she decides he is not, at some point, I could see where she could endorse Hillary.

[dragonlady]

58. Excellent explanation! n/t

[Paka]

144. Thank you.

You stated it quite nicely. Interest in having any one person as a candidate is distinctly different from actual support for that candidate.

[Marty McGraw]

192. ( ._.)

[1StrongBlackMan]

82. It meant nothing? Then, why did she sign it? ...

attorneys tend not to do that kind of thing because doing so usually causes problems later ... like having to explain what you were thinking when you signed the letter.

[senz]

91. lol -- it wasn't a legal document; it was group support.

Hey, if I had been in the Senate, I would have signed it too, for two reasons: 1) political survival and 2) group adhesion.

Political survival because if even one woman had refused to sign this group letter, she would have been considered a traitor to her fellow Democratic women in the legislature.

Group adhesion because this is basic to how most women approach collective activity. If you are indeed a "Man" then perhaps you don't appreciate the immense power of collective decisions for women. It's how we're wired, and it probably has an evolutionary rationale.

If you're really interested and enjoy intellectual challenges, investigate Rene Girard's writings on the subject of mimetic desire.

[1StrongBlackMan]

93. Again, let's pretend that the real world doesn't intrude into your life ...

Do YOU make a practice of signing your name to a letter stating anything that means nothing to you?

Hey, if I had been in the Senate, I would have signed it too, for two reasons: 1) political survival and 2) group adhesion.

Political survival because if even one woman had refused to sign this group letter, she would have been considered a traitor to her fellow Democratic women in the legislature.

So expediency trumps principle?

[1StrongBlackMan]

100. So it wasn't "meaningless"? ...

I should have known better than to try to relate to you as a fellow human being.

How else would you relate to me?

[senz]

104. Meaningless as an endorsement of Hillary's politics. It was a nice gesture.

It's hard to relate to someone who throws out personal insults and just wants to fight.

Fine with me.

[1StrongBlackMan]

108. What insults, personal or itherwise, have I thrown? eom.

[senz]

116. Okay...

Again, let's pretend that the real world doesn't intrude into your life ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

137. So I guess that flip response means you've got nothing. n/t

[senz]

138. That "flip response" is your words, 1SBM.

It's a quote, that's why I formatted it with the excerpt brackets.

You said it to me.

And you consider it "flip?" Well so did I.

[1StrongBlackMan]

141. Oh okay ...

I get it ... you object to having the reality of your life pointed out to you ...

You state that EW's signing of the letter was meaningless; when, in fact, you would have signed it, too ... for expediency, while proclaiming the virtue of holding true to principled positions, above all.

Gotcha.

[senz]

145. It's called a category error.

Signing a letter of encouragement is not in the same category as taking a principled stand. The two cannot be logically equated.


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[1StrongBlackMan]

170. Okay ... Signing a "letter of encoragement" is "categorically" different ...

from signing a letter of support ... and signing either, when you do not mean to express support (i.e., "it's meaningless&quot is principled, how?

[senz]

177. Don't misquote me, 1SBM.

I said,

Signing a letter of encouragement is not in the same category as taking a principled stand.

We are comparing a letter of encouragement to a principled stand.

Suppose you decide to run for office. If I'm on good terms with you, I might say, "Go for it, 1SBM." It's a friendly thing to do; it keeps us on good terms and makes future working relationships smooth. It is a collegial gesture (in the sense of "marked by camaraderie among colleagues.&quot

However, if I were to announce to the world that "I endorse 1SBM for xx position," that implies that I agree with what you stand for. It is qualitatively different from a friendly word of encouragement. It's much more serious and puts my credibility on the line.

BTW, I am sorry someone alerted on your mildly rude comment to me. I didn't like it but did not consider it alert-worthy. Whoever was reading our conversation must missed the fact that I was laughing toward the end.

[1StrongBlackMan]

180. More rhetorical gymnastistics ... Okay. n/t

[senz]

189. Sigh. Okay.

Either I can't explain well or you can't understand -- or both.

Whatever.

[Agschmid]

205. Oh boy...

[rbrnmw]

151. They alerted on this post

On Fri Jan 1, 2016, 09:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Again, let's pretend that the real world doesn't intrude into your life ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=966336

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Insulting and provocative, deliberately so. Read the conversation as he doubles down on it later on.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jan 1, 2016, 09:46 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Mild snark compared to what flies in GDP, and it clearly goes both ways on the thread. While I don't agree with this poster, I also don't think this post is hide-worthy
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: 1SBM is not being insulting or provocative. I feel the alerter just wants to silence him.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Pfffft.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: smh
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[1StrongBlackMan]

164. Of course they did. n/t

[senz]

176. I am surprised by this alert as I didn't think 1SBM's quip was all that bad

and am glad it didn't get him a hide.

[farleftlib]

5. Yup. HRC totally represents her constituents -- Wall ST!

She is bought and paid for by those who prey on the middle class. The credit card industry are worse than Mafiosi and Hillary will allow them to enslave us so they can enjoy obscene wealth. They pay to skin our hides and she delivers.

[workinclasszero]

10. And who does St Bernie rep?

The MIC? He supports one of the biggest military boondoggles in the F-35.

Or is it big gun manufacturers? He voted to protect them from THE PEOPLE!

How many times did Bernie vote against the Brady Bill anyway?

[farleftlib]

17. Bernie represents the MIC?

Nope, that would be HRC again

[senz]

37. Bernie represents the 99%, that's who.

[Amimnoch]

206. Apparently not since he's polling at only 31% in a primary.

I'm most definitely NOT in the 1% and he most definitely does NOT represent me.

HRC 2016!

[Alfresco]

8. 2004 video just to be clear.

[farleftlib]

12. Oh so Hillary changed her mind again? She regrets her support of that predatory bill?

Nope. Still relevant today.

[stevenleser]

162. Apparently Warren changed her opinion of Hillary since she urged her to run for President.

Are you going to attack Warren now?

[LiberalLovinLug]

198. Nice try

So did she change her opinion on this Credit company bill? My guess is NO. And that is what matters here.

Just because for one instance, Warren praised something Hillary said which at this stage could easily just be hollow pandering to the left to counter Bernie's positions, does not mean she is backing Hillary for President.

http://www.salon.com/2015/12/07/elizabeth_warren_endorses_hillary_clintons_proposed_new_wall_street_regulations/

“Secretary Clinton is right to fight back against Republicans trying to sneak Wall Street giveaways into the must-pass government funding bill,” Massachusetts senator and populist Democratic superstar Elizabeth Warren wrote on Facebook Monday

Why wouldn't she agree with this premise. The rub is that Hillary has been already proven, by this OP video, to be duplicitous and a hypocrite when it matters most.


In fact Warren is the only female Democrat rep to NOT officially endorse Hillary.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-women-senators-democrats-endorsement

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/30/politics/hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-fundraiser/

[senz]

14. FALSE. Has footage from 2016 Democratic Debate.

Just to be clear.

[CharlotteVale]

11. Clinton showed her true colors for all time. She can't

be trusted.

[senz]

16. +1 True.

[840high]

87. I certainly don't trust her.

[ucrdem]

13. If a 12-year old youtube is the most damaging evidence to date

we're in pretty good shape.

[senz]

19. It has footage from the 2016 Democratic Debate.

Nice try, skipper.

[ucrdem]

21. Yeah I noticed. VRWC greatest hits.

Stale menudo.

[senz]

29. Oh is Elizabeth Warren VRWC? Since when?

Better quit feeding on the stale menudo; not good for coherent comments.

[senz]

38. Not a single Republican in that video.

[bvar22]

55. With the "Centrist" , 3rd Way "Democrats" in control,

who needs Republicans?

1. Sanders has served as an elected official for over 34 years. Clinton & most Republicans have not.

2. Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Clinton and Republicans have not.

3. Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.

4. Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.

5. Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

6. Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

7. Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

8. Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

9. Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

10. Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

11. Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

12. Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

13. Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

14. Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.

15. Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

16. Sanders wants to Raise-the-CAP on FICA (Social Security/Medicare) payroll deductions and increase benefits, Hillary & the Republicans do not.


Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot.
I don't,
that is why I am a Democrat, and voting for a Democrat....Bernie!

[TM99]

70. Damn!

Kick and Rec to the max on this rebuttal. Nice job!

[senz]

74. +1000 Excellent summary.

[DirtyHippyBastard]

101. +1 nt

[Enthusiast]

123. Huge +1!

[Babel_17]

156. Thanks for that, a perfect post for The New Year

[restorefreedom]

166. this is an OP right here. nt

[HubertHeaver]

172. A most excellent summation. Thank you.

[ucrdem]

158. Possibly but didn't one of them vote for Ronald Reagan?

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) told George Stephanopoulos Sunday that she left the Republican Party in the mid-90s because it was tilting the playing field in favor of Wall Street.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/27/3431303/warren-left-gop/

". . . I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets and I feel like the GOP party just left that," Warren said.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/04/elizabeth-warren-hopes-hillary-clinton-makes-2016-run-but-declines-to-endorse-her/

[99Forever]

18. The truth Berns.

Senator Warren makes it quite clear what We the People know. Hillary considers the .01% to be her constituents and the rest of us suckers to be used, abused, and then forgotten.

Don't buy the Clinton lies.

Join the Revolution.

Feel the Bern.

[Doctor_J]

20. most Clinton supporters like the idea of wall street being above the law

I don't think this video will change many minds. I'm wondering when the candidate will start calling these criminals "job creators" and how long after that her supporters join in.

[ucrdem]

22. Most Clinton supporters think Ron Paul is an ass. nt

[senz]

25. Most Sanders supporters think Ron Paul is an ass.

BFD. The sky is blue.

[ucrdem]

30. What kind of Democrat would take pleasure in this crap?

Seriously.

[senz]

32. Democrats who care about issues take pleasure in Moyers & Warren discussing them.

You apparently don't, however.

[ucrdem]

36. Democrats who care about issues don't give RW hit jobs the time of day. nt

[farleftlib]

39. Bill Moyers and Elizabeth Warren are not RW

That is nonsense. You've still not addressed the substance of the video. Keep flailing tho, it keeps this at the top of the page where it belongs.

[senz]

42. Criticizing Hillary is NOT "RW." Anything but.

And you know it.

[ucrdem]

46. Screenshot, 4:11:

Yes, this is every inch a RW hit job. Happy 2016.

[farleftlib]

52. Did she give that money back?

The center for responsive politics is non-partisan.

[senz]

61. Video of Bill Moyers, Elizabeth Warren and the Democratic debate

is saturated in Democratic Party values.

The subject matter is pure Democratic Party values.

A chart (a mere chart) showing accurate information about the source and amount of Hillary's largest donors does not make it a "RW hit job."

You are clutching at straws to keep people from seeing this video.

You show that you do not want people to know the truth about your candidate. You want to hide it until after the nomination and then you want to frighten Democrats with the Supreme Court.

Like it or not, ucrdem, the truth will come out.

[A Simple Game]

96. Thanks for the screen shot, I didn't watch that far. My goodness Hillary and her

supporters should be ashamed of themselves.

[ChiciB1]

130. Has NOTHING To Do With Pleasure! Has Everything To Do

with the issues a person supports. Hillary Clinton has always supported Wall Street, but when faced with the questions why, she seems to always say "I regret that vote or I regret that support" and now I've seen the light.

I do not understand why this is so difficult to understand. When supporting a person who's running for POTUS, the positions and issues they support should carry a lot of weight.

And yes, this is SERIOUS. I'm not going to fight with you about this, but did feel the need to say that this doesn't give me ANY pleasure. I would gladly support Hillary if I truly believed she's really changed her mind about many, many issues. I know what she says, but I also know what she's done.

I've been an activist since the 70's and I've watched as so many Democrats have moved more and more to the right and are willing to stay a part of TPTB.

I'm sure you think I'm attacking you, I'm not. I just think it's important to understand why the 1% will continue to RULE.

[ucrdem]

150. Okay but surely you realize that this is basically RW astroturf

and that when/if Hillary takes the nom nothing will change? Before Sanders there were Ross Perot and Ron Paul, in 2020 there will be someone else, but we'll see the same damn stuff and the same damn slogans endlessly recycled in every media. How do I know? Because I've been seeing them since 1994.

[ChiciB1]

210. More Information...

Just want to add that I've been a political activist SINCE the 70's! I NEVER bought into Nader, Perot OR Paul! This is the very first time I've decided that Bernie Sanders is BETTER than the "regular or chosen" nominee. I'm VERY WELL informed and quite frankly do not feel comfortable with Hillary Clinton in any way. I sincerely believe she's much too tied to Wall Street and is very much to the right of me. Plus, I simply don't believe she's better for ur country at this point in time. She "says" many things, but it's my opinion that so much is said simply to appease any given group she's interacting with. There's a MOUNTAIN of information about her from the past and I'm WELL acquainted with the many phases of Hillary.

So, I'm not one to jump ship unless I completely feel in my gut that I'm doing it for the correct reasons. Hillary is too connected to far too much that has brought this country to where are today. AND we had better start changing before we lag further behind.

I do not have time to list the numerous areas where we have fallen behind many countries in this world, where we once were a shining light! I'm sure you can link on a thread or two and find a complete list.

Sorry, I'm no novice when it comes to politics. My father introduced me to it when I was 11 years old... I got addicted and am an avid reader of more books regarding the History of America and am still reading them. In fact, I had been wanting to buy Thomas Piety's book CAPITAL in the Twenty-First Century, but I was very happy to have gotten it as a Christmas present from my family. His book isn't a "light" read and not a book one would read for the fun of it. So yes, I do feel I've made an informed decision.

One more thing. I was around when journalist were REAL journalists. Like Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley, Chet Huntley, Dan Rather... you get the picture.

[ucrdem]

212. Thanks for that ChiciB1...

I hope there's a DU in the afterlife where there's time to fully answer some great comments as I'd like to explain my own strange journey but in the meantime don't go changin' . . .

[arcane1]

139. Party over principle?

I'll pass.

[senz]

23. VIDEO SHOWS 2016 DEM DEBATE FOOTAGE, WAS PUBLISHED ON YOUTUBE TODAY .

[riversedge]

56. Yes. but it is older footage. You do know that I hope. Your 'to date" is way out of date. This

footage has been posted ad nausea on DU previously many times.

[senz]

69. The part w/Warren's info about Hillary has been shown before. The rest is very recent.

Truth never goes out of date, but I'll bet you wish it did.

[Thinkingabout]

28. Is there any reason this video was edited to remove Warren talking

About Hillary a good student and a fast learner?

[senz]

31. The video discusses issues of IMPORTANCE to the American people.

Yes, issues still count, Thinkingabout.

[Thinkingabout]

35. I guess praise for Hillary should be excluded if it shows Hillary in

Is smart.

[senz]

44. This video is about the ISSUES.

It's not a personality/popularity contest. It's about the American people. Remember them?

[pangaia]

80. THEY WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT HER INTELLIGENCE.

Get it?
They were discussing.... BANKS !!!! CREDIT CARD COMPANIES.. see?

Did you also want them to discuss,,, oh I don't know....... ICE CREAM?

[Thinkingabout]

85. Do you have anger issues?

[pangaia]

88. None.

I just sent a beautiful 3 year old off on an MD88 to Huntsville, Al after a 2 week Christmas visit.

Do you have issues understanding things?

[Thinkingabout]

89. Is it necessary to personally attack me, it will nit help your cause.

I am at liberty to have freedom of speech and do mot live in a country which curtails my freedom of speech.

[pangaia]

97. That is true. But...I did not try to 'curtail' your freedom of speech.

You are perfectly free to say whatever you wish.

I am free to say I don't think you understand the post you commented on..

[senz]

94. ...

Hey, you are fortunate to have a beautiful 3 year old in your life. I hope the visit was good. (Had to look up MD88, the internet is so educational.)

Don't let any of this upset you, pangaia.

[pangaia]

102. I'm cool.. :>)) None of it upsets me.

Sometimes I take the role of (or maybe really am) the squirrel.

Today, his last day here, we had the first SNOW of the year. !! His first snow ever! So I went out and bought a cheapo plastic toboggan.. Wheeeeeee.... snow ball fights, little snow man, the whole 9 yards.. His mom is Chinese so he is bi-lingual....teaching me Chinese...


Oh, vis a vis your avatar.. MY MOTHER was a 'stewardess' with American Airlines flying DC2s and DC3s. She, on several occasions, had Eleanor Roosevelt as a passenger. And dig this. Mrs. Roosevelt taught my mother to knit !! Is that too cool, or what? I've got several photos somewhere.

I also have a photo of my Mom standing on the steps of a DC3 with Will Rogers.


So-- GO BERNIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[senz]

113. Good to know.

He must love to be with you. I have a few very clear memories from that age and can verify that kind, loving adults are incredibly significant. You probably know that growing up bilingual makes for a stronger brain.

Totally cool story about your mom and Eleanor Roosevelt. (Had to look up DC3.) What an amazing woman Mrs. Roosevelt was, huge soul, very down to earth. Too bad most of us arrived too late to have any exposure to her. A couple of months ago, someone one here likened HRC to her.

Yes. For a certain 3-year-old's future ... GO BERNIE!!

[pangaia]

129. +++++ to all.....

[Marty McGraw]

194. That is so Awesome!

To have been in the presence of such History...

[toshiba783]

73. The video is edited

It should have left Elizabeth's original comments in: "I gotta tell you, I've never had a smarter student. Quick right to the heart of it. I go over the law - it's a complex law, went over the economics, showed her the graphs, showed her the charts - and she got it. Within 20 minutes she could play where the rest of it would come... she turned around an entire administration on the subject of bankruptcy because she got it".

A potential presidents intellect is absolutely a relevant issue to the American people - and as a poster noted below, the bankruptcy bill she voted in favor for was not identical to the one she opposed and did include amendments.

[senz]

76. Only to stick to the issue at hand.

Furthermore, it includes Warren's comments about Hillary seeing the truth and weighing on Bill about it (before she changed her mind after becoming a Senator.)

As for Hillary's intellect -- this is not a video comparing the candidate's good and bad qualities. This is a video about Hillary's relationship with the Big Banks.

That's what it's about.

[pangaia]

81. The issue is NOT her intelligence. It is..

BANKS !! BANKS !! CREDIT CARD COMPANIES/// See??
Of COURSE she is intelligent...

Ted Cruz is.. INTELLIGENT.. Would you vote for him? Of course not.

[riversedge]

136. I remember those Warren comments about Hillary--yes I do.

[Lucinda]

186. Thanks for the added info. Entirely relevant to Warren's thoughts about HRC.

No matter what the naysayers say.

[jkbRN]

34. Lmao

Does "good student" or "fast learner" have ANY relevance? Lmao....

....She may learn fast and be a good student, that does not mean she is a good person, or that she has any intention of fixing her faults. Which by the way, makes it worse.

[davidpdx]

131. Exactly

Even if everyone agrees she is brilliant, that doesn't mean she can't make bad judgments. Good students CAN make bad judgments.

[jkbRN]

161. Well said!!

[pangaia]

197. Like Ted Cruz, for example.

[pangaia]

79. No. because that is NOT what the discussion was about.

[bbgrunt]

40. k and r. Thanks for posting this.

[Purveyor]

41. K&R Thanks for posting. eom

[polichick]

45. Yep, our democracy has been sold. k&r

[brooklynite]

48. 2015: Elizabeth Warren Shows Support for Hillary Clinton’s Wall Street Plan

New York Times:

Hillary Clinton, hearing criticism for her ties to the financial industry, received the critical support of Senator Elizabeth Warren on Monday for her proposal to expand the Dodd-Frank regulatory structure and urging of President Obama to veto any legislation that would weaken Wall Street regulation.

“Secretary Clinton is right to fight back against Republicans trying to sneak Wall Street giveaways into the must-pass government funding bill,” Ms. Warren, the liberal senator from Massachusetts, wrote on Facebook after Mrs. Clinton published an Op-Ed article in The New York Times with her proposals to regulate Wall Street.

[senz]

132. Warren wants a return to Glass-Steagall, Hillary refuses.

Do not ever pretend that these two people see eye to eye on Big Banks and the economy, because they most certainly do not.

[DhhD]

165. And Hillary Clinton said she -- Supports Wall Street !!

because of 9/11. In her anger she exposed her real thinking. She is not to be trusted and she cannot control herself. She is against Glass-Steagall and always has been. The Clinton's were a part of and in leadership of, the DLC for most of their adult lives.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/11/watch-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-wall-street

[davidpdx]

133. 12 years after supporting a bankruptcy bill that prevented people with crippling debt

from going through bankruptcy. Nice. Corporations can go through bankruptcy easier than most people.

Just another way she stands for the 1%.

[thesquanderer]

49. In Hilary's defense, it's more complicated than it seems

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/22/1423815/-Something-I-Heard-About-Hillary-Clinton-is-Untrue-The-Bankruptcy-Bill-Edition

In short, yes, she opposed the bill which her husband vetoed (via pocket veto); and yes, she supported a later version of the bill that had amendements which she thought made the bill worth passing despite other flaws, but that bill did not pass. Ultimately, years later, the bill did pass, without those amendments and without Hillary's support.

Were the amendments sufficient to justify her changed position on the version she voted for? That's not so black and white.

The point is that the bill she supported after becoming senator was not identical to the bill she had fought against earlier, and that's something that you can't glean from this video, which complicates the discussion.

(I'm banned from the Hillary group, but I still believe in being fair to everyone!)

[ucrdem]

50. Thank you.

[davidpdx]

134. The 2003 bill was still damaging as it made it harder for people to declare bankruptcy

That means if someone had medical bills up the ying yang that the debt collectors could continue to harass them using both legal and illegal ways to try to collect on the debt.

It also prevented the discharge of student loans. There are now over $1.2 billion in student loans outstanding and that bubble is going to burst.

[canoeist52]

51. Good contrast of core values.

Seems that certain core values of Ms. Clinton, never change or evolve.

Always check under the hood before purchasing any used car.

[Historic NY]

53. From way back before she became a Senator......

[hamerfan]

54. K&R!

Elizabeth would make a GREAT running mate for someone.

[RandySF]

57. This is outdated

[senz]

63. Footage of 2016 Democratic debate is "outdated?"

The TRUTH is never outdated.

[DhhD]

71. Here is a recent video of Warren on HC supporting the bankruptcy bill which still hurts women.

https://www.americarisingpac.org/warren-slams-democrats-like-hillarybiden-supporting-bankruptcy-bill/

Where is Hillary in trying to stop the bill? Oh, she is with third way and New Democrats like Biden and Obama, who are supporting it. Bernie and Warren are running along side of each other on this too.

[pangaia]

84. None of it is "outdated."

IT HAPPENED.. And, in my view, is very, very telling.

[SoapBox]

59. K & R!

I say, no thanks to the Wall Street candidate.

[DhhD]

60. Warren is running along side of Sanders with Social Security issues.

HC is some where else. Her 1%er friend, Pete Peterson knows want he and his associates would do with SS. I believe that HC has come up with a third way to deal with SS.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/259264-warren-sanders-team-up-on-bill-to-hike-social-security-checks

[Enthusiast]

126. That is what I'm afraid of.

[haikugal]

62. K&R...thanks for posting!

Bookmarked!

[senz]

65. Why are Hillary supporters trying to invalidate this video?

It shows a conversation between Bill Moyers and Elizabeth Warren about Hillary's Senate vote on a bankruptcy bill and then shows Democratic Debate footage from this Fall.

Why is it so disturbing to them?

[brooklynite]

67. Not disturbing; just not consequential

...and long since overtaken by events:

New York Times:

2015: Elizabeth Warren Shows Support for Hillary Clinton’s Wall Street Plan

Hillary Clinton, hearing criticism for her ties to the financial industry, received the critical support of Senator Elizabeth Warren on Monday for her proposal to expand the Dodd-Frank regulatory structure and urging of President Obama to veto any legislation that would weaken Wall Street regulation.

“Secretary Clinton is right to fight back against Republicans trying to sneak Wall Street giveaways into the must-pass government funding bill,” Ms. Warren, the liberal senator from Massachusetts, wrote on Facebook after Mrs. Clinton published an Op-Ed article in The New York Times with her proposals to regulate Wall Street.

I noticed you didn't post that one; too disturbing?

[senz]

86. Truth is truth. Truth is consequential. Sorry.

We all know about Hillary's symbiotic relationship with the Big Banks, but you can try to hide it if you want. Go ahead.

Don't try to make a big deal out of Sen. Warren's understandable desire to encourage Hillary to do something approximating the right thing once in awhile. Remember that Warren also strongly favors a return to Glass-Steagall -- and I'll bet you know that too.

Also, I didn't post this thread. I've noticed several of your group making that mistake. That's because y'all personify everything. For you, this is all about whether or not Warren approves of Hillary, isn't it?

The effect of Hillary's votes on the American people is meaningless to some. I cannot even begin to express my contempt for that approach to governance, and even if I could, I don't think it would mean a thing to you.

[DhhD]

66. Warren and Sanders Fight for $15 an hour. HC is some where else on that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/15/elizabeth-warren-fight-for-15_n_7292142.html

[MrMickeysMom]

68. Huge Fucking K&R...

Because... fuck this shit.

[hopemountain]

107. my motto for 2016.

exactly. i posted it on fb and all of my righteous christian family scolded me about using such profanity. i had to explain - there is no other word to describe or explain how i feel.

[Enthusiast]

127. +1 a huge bunch!

[ismnotwasm]

174. My motto:

[baran]

72. K & R nt

[Bryce Butler]

75. K & R

n/t

[BlueStateLib]

77. 🎇 Clinton voted to maintain the filibuster against the 2004 bankruptcy law and would of voted NO 🎇

From March 7 to March 15, 2001, the Senate debated bill # S.420 – the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2001. True to her priorities, Hillary Clinton leveraged her influence by working with other key Senators to improve the bill with provisions for women who were left without child support payments after the child’s father declared bankruptcy. Another improvement eliminated a loophole for the wealthy. An important and controversial provision to protect the safety of women and doctors at reproductive healthcare clinics was also included.

This 2001 version of the bankruptcy bill that hillary supported passed in the Senate with 83-15 vote but died in conference when they stripped out the Schumer amendment that protected women and children

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/22/1423815/-Something-I-Heard-About-Hillary-Clinton-is-Untrue-The-Bankruptcy-Bill-Edition

[DhhD]

163. Here is the rest of the story to include a video.

https://www.americarisingpac.org/warren-slams-democrats-like-hillarybiden-supporting-bankruptcy-bill/

[jalan48]

90. If it was Warren running instead of Clinton there would be little to argue about on here.

[magical thyme]

99. K&R nt

[orpupilofnature57]

103. A REAL civil servant !!!! Sanders/Warren !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Duval]

109. K&R nt

[aspirant]

110. Outdated,

does this mean Bernie's gun votes are outdated too?

[Marty McGraw]

195. the repeated ad nauseam

Topic is

yep.

[ismnotwasm]

111. Well played!

Video from 2004! Questions, many questions!

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[Tamyr]

115. I thought this is a recent video

It isn't.

[BlueStateLib]

120. The clips are before elizabeth warren becoming a senator

Before becoming senator of Massachusetts, Elizabeth Warren joined Bill Moyers and David Brancaccio on NOW a decade ago to discuss

[senz]

122. How long ago was the first 2016 Democratic debate?

[Enthusiast]

119. Kicked and recommended!

Campaign donations influence an office holder's voting record.

That is undeniable.

[Lil Missy]

125. 12 years ago? *yawn*

[senz]

147. Two and a half months ago?

Guess what? The part of the video that was filmed earlier is still true. It's about Hillary, it's true, and it won't go away.

In the meantime, we have her absurd blather during the first 2016 Democratic debate about telling Wall St. to "cut it out."

She's your Wall St. candidate.

[Lil Missy]

178. *yawn*

[ismnotwasm]

181. Sea lions!

[senz]

188. lol, this is why it's so much fun to communicate w/ y'all

[Babel_17]

135. "Liked" it on youtube

Impressive collection of videos from the uploader: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX9J3ekZR1dLtaFL_UqU9Yg/videos

[Douglas Carpenter]

149. knr - I posted on Facebook

[wordpix]

157. Got to wonder if trump gave Bill a contribution to get that veto

[hedda_foil]

159. This is going straight to my Facebook page.

[Zorra]

167. What corporate agenda will she support next? Filling private prisons with bankrupt families?

[Beacool]

171. I don't really care who Warren supports in this election.

[bvf]

173. Great thread. Lots of amusing one-note responses

from the Predictables, too.

[dorkzilla]

182. With ABSOLUTELY no point

Which is apropos. Tiresome.

[senz]

203. The point of the comments was "move along, nothing to see here" ...

... don't want anyone to notice what a candidate actually stands for.

Subterfuge as a campaign strategy.

[MrMickeysMom]

175. Clinton rec'd $140k in campaign contrib.'s from banking industry execs...

In the spring of 2001, the bankruptcy bill was reintroduced in the Senate, essentially unchanged from the version President Clinton had vetoed the previous year. This time freshman Senator Hillary Clinton voted in favor of the bill. Had the bill been transformed to get rid of all those awful provisions that had so concerned First Lady Hillary Clinton? The bill was essentially the same, but Hillary Rodham Clinton was not. As First Lady, Mrs. Clinton had been persuaded that the bill was bad for families, and she was willing to fight for her beliefs. Her husband was a lame duck at the time he vetoed the bill; he could afford to forgo future campaign contributions. As New York’s newest senator, however, it seems that Hillary Clinton could not afford such a principled position. Campaigns cost money, and that money wasn’t coming from families in financial trouble. Senator Clinton received $140,000 in campaign contributions from banking industry executives in a single year, making her one of the top two recipients in the Senate. Big banks were now part of Senator Clinton’s constituency. She wanted their support, and they wanted hers—including a vote in favor of “that awful bill.”

[orpupilofnature57]

179. + 1000

[Laser102]

185. Wow. So she has friends in high places. Good for her. I don't think broke translates to successful.

I enjoy it when others are doing well. Means they won't ask me for anything. LOL

[MrMickeysMom]

196. "Wow"???? That's nothing to be impressed with...

Stealing from the American people on behalf of the banking industry which socializes their casino borrowing the money for 0%, then purposely making money off of and debt obligations to the least who can afford it IN NO WAY translates to success.

Success for whom?

You enjoy it when others are being gutted for the 1%?

That's FUCKING BRILLIANT...

[Gloria]

187. Old video...sounds great....but..so far she's pretty quiet because...

she's now a politician!!! Warren will act according to her own interests, I'm sure.....

[workinclasszero]

193. You do realize that when Hillary wins the nomination...

Elizabeth Warren will endorse her wholeheartedly and work for her election for president in the fall...right?

[senz]

204. If Hillary wins the nomination

Elizabeth Warren will have no choice. Politics is a dirty business and you have to play along to stay in the game. I have the greatest respect for Senator Warren and hope she will do whatever she has to do to stay in the game, because we need her.

But in conversations like the one above with Bill Moyers, and in heartfelt speeches like this one from last (2015) July, she makes her true views abundantly clear. Go ahead, watch it. It's only excerpts, takes less than 10 minutes.

She is the diametric opposite of your candidate.

[haikugal]

199. K&R! Thanks for this post leftcoastmountains! nt

[TeddyR]

201. I will be SOOOOO glad

When the primary is over. This constant bickering between Hillary and Bernie supporters is super-tiresome. Who do you really think you are going to persuade on this website, which has some of the most informed voters in the US? Anyway, continue to have at it, since nothing I say is going to dissuade you.

[stevenleser]

207. And of course no one is allowed to change their minds about anything except for Bernie re: Guns

We're supposed to crap on everyone else who has changed their minds (or assume they never did) but we are supposed to give Bernie a pass on his pro-Gun positions and just pretend his current positions are the only ones he ever had.

Funny how that works.

[Live and Learn]

209. K&R nt

[oasis]

213. Very damaging. That's why Warren announced she's endorsing Bernie.

She has, hasn't she?