Bill Clinton speaking in Nashua NH

[rbrnmw]

[NurseJackie]

1. <3

[floriduck]

32. How relevant! A spouse, former president

needs to help bail his wife out of a failing campaign in New Hampshire.

[NurseJackie]

41. NH should have been a cakewalk for Bernie ...

... it's his own backyard! His numbers should have been similar to Hillary's lead in SC, yet he's barely squeaking by.

If he's having this much difficulty in NH, then he's the one who's failing.

Keep whistling.

[floriduck]

46. Are you going to predict a Hill win in NH?

Now that's a brave nurse. I like your stubbornness.

Keep on Berning.

[NurseJackie]

48. It's unclear what I said that makes you think I'm predicting a winner in NH.

What I did say is that Bernie is struggling in what should have been a blowout state for him. He's squeaking by, but if he's having so much trouble in NH (of all places) things really don't look good for him in having a pathway to the nomination.

He'll win a handful of states, he might even win NH ... but it won't be enough to get the nomination.

I like your stubbornness.

Uh, sure, whatever. Thanks? (What a weird thing for you to say.)

[Cha]

112. Yeppers.. facts are stubborn things.

[lewebley3]

52. You are right NurseJackie: Hillary is only 3 points behind: with a little work she can win

[Luminous Animal]

110. Why? It is barely a Democratic state… considered a swing state.

Given that, it is remarkable that he is doing so well.

[Hekate]

92. Who's "bailing"? It's a normal campaign rally, with one of the Party's top draws.

[ronnykmarshall]

107. Go Pats!

[Motown_Johnny]

2. and MSNBC covers it. They won't even cover Bernie's rallys

which are larger and from an actual candidate.

[rbrnmw]

3. It is the first he has been out by himself this campaign

He also happens to be a former President

[RKP5637]

4. Yep, that crossed my mind too. And Trump, he gets free advertising too. Bernie, not so much.

And earlier today, I think it was MSNBC, a reporter said the complaints about lack of airtime for Bernie were unfounded. Yet another WTF!

[rbrnmw]

5. I doubt they cover every speech the Big Dog gives

they would probably break in for a Trump speech if he were speaking

[RKP5637]

7. Yep! n/t

[NurseJackie]

68. I guess they feel Bernie's rallies aren't newsworthy.

It's pretty much the same old stump speech, over and over, right?

[zazen]

6. if I can bring myself to vote for Hilary in the general, it'll be in spite of him, not because of it

I try to be a consistent radical feminist, and it is outrageous than anyone would ever suggest Sanders has been sexist or privileged and not call out Bill for his consistent exercise of the male privilege of functional polygamy and seeking younger partners.

I hate to see him be so entitled to have women on the side as if he's doing a woman as powerful as Hilary a favor by staying married to her because, gee, she's his own age. Why does he get to grow old and fat while she is forced to look 20 years younger and is rendered neutered in the press--why does he get to get a wink wink for having lots of female partners while we assume she should be grateful?

I can't stand the woman's politics, but it's outrageous that the best she can do is keep a philandering male by her side because a strong woman over 40--who still looks as good as she does--is considered sexually abhorrent or something.

I wish she had dumped him and found a faithful guy her own age (or younger) who adores her. Yes, Bill's smart, but I have no doubt she was equally the brains behind his presidency during the 90s. She's already been president--she just didn't get the credit for it. I give her credit for it, which is why I don't want to RE-ELECT her.

But I'll take her any day over her husband. She deserves better.

[rbrnmw]

8. yes let's just ignore his accomplishments

[zazen]

11. yes, he's accomplished, AND we don't want him back in the White House

What is with Clinton supporters?

I was extremely vocal about the impeachment absurdity and one of the first few hundred to join MoveOn. The worst travesty of that was how the Republicans sexually assaulted Monica Lewinsky by turning her into pornography against her will. It sickened me.

But just because people are accomplished doesn't entitle them to the Presidency of the United States. Therefore, saying we don't think they should be in the White House doesn't mean we think they haven't accomplished anything.

[rbrnmw]

14. He isn't running for President

[Skidmore]

15. A reminder.

Hillary is running for president, not Bill. I'm voting for her, not him. And she deserves to be treated as an accomplished woman in her own right and not an extension of her husband.

[zazen]

18. I agree, so why is he out campaigning for her and getting coverage?

I think this was my point--that if/when I have to vote for her, it'll be in spite of him.

I think she's smart to have kept him out of the limelight and she may very well be having him return to the b/g if my hunch is right.

This is 2016, not 1996, and women are less tolerant of the "boys will be boys" stuff, especially the millennials. See if I'm not right.

She SHOULD run on her own brains and talent. I just wish I agreed with her policies and ideology. I don't.

[leftofcool]

21. Are you upset that Jane isn't out campaigning for Bernie?

If she decides to do so should we keep her out of the limelight?

[zazen]

25. since MSNBC apparently covers spouses' speeches, maybe that's how Bernie will finally get coverage!

[rbrnmw]

28. I hope so because all of the major candidates should get coverage

[zazen]

33. finally, we agree on something!! :-)

[Historic NY]

63. Why not he has a 60% approval rating...........

he's not only out there for her, he is out for the Democrats too.

"In a wide-ranging address that took voters through Hillary Clinton’s work as a young lawyer in Arkansas, ways to combat heroin addiction, the political achievements of President Barack Obama and the failings of America’s fourteenth president, Franklin Pierce, Bill Clinton argued that the Democratic front-runner offers the best plan to restore “broadly shared prosperity.”

[pangaia]

40. Your several posts right here are spot on.

Some don't seem to quite get it.

You know, I have no idea what went on between the Clintons or does go on. But I have always wondered if they stuck it out for political and/or financial reasons. mostly. Maybe they 'cut a deal.'
Who knows, maybe not. Maybe they just really like each other. If so, great. It's not important to me.

But, what is significant to me is that this campaign for the Democratic nomination is a real David and Goliath issue. And the fact that a guy like Bernie Sanders, who probably never even wanted to be president, is within striking distance of this.... 'behemoth' -- world-wide name recognition, corrupting financial backing, support of the Democratic rain makers and shakers, Bernie's difficulty in getting media coverage, and on and on.... is just astounding.

I have even seen people here.. DU... compare Hillary having William Jefferson campaign for her with Jane campaigning for Bernie. eeesshh !!

[modestybl]

64. Not sure how much we want him back in the WH...

... especially when he's so eager to work with the current House Speaker...

[rbrnmw]

69. Why don't you tell the whole story?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/paul-ryan-and-bill-clinton-chat-backstage-about-medicare-ny-26-video

snip

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) is not backing down from his Medicare privatization proposals, in the wake of the GOP's stunning defeat in the NY-26 special election. And as ABC News reports, he's getting some friendly advice from an unlikely source: Democratic former President Bill Clinton.


As ABC notes, Clinton's actual speech was substantively the same as his discussion with Ryan: The NY-26 election turned on the public not liking Ryan's Medicare proposals, and Clinton agrees with that same judgment to oppose Ryan's plan, but he also cautioned against doing nothing on the issue as a reaction to the election.

[modestybl]

75. How much more backstory do you want? WJC also preferred partial privatization for SS...

Monica might have saved us here...

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/05/29/the-pact-between-bill-clinton-and-newt-gingrich

[modestybl]

79. We have a real choice: Wall Street friendly or People friendly

... getting rid of the Medicare Advantage, and allowing Medicare to negotiate drug costs would be a great start... WJC has always been too partial to exposing the most vulnerable in our society to "marketplace solutions" ...

But doing nothing would be preferrable to putting Medicare on a privatization path...

[guillaumeb]

34. Yes we must not forget his acccomplishments.

Like NAFTA, a trade agreement that is responsible for the continued outsourcing of US manufacturing jobs.

Like signing the Gramm, Leach, Blily Act, which gutted the Glass Steagall Act and led directly to the financial meltdown.

Like Welfare Reform, which gutted welfare and demonized welfare recipients.

Like sentencing reform, which was anything but reform and filled US prisons.

This is just a short list of Willie's accomplishments. I was unsure whether or not to list his sexual affairs with interns young enough to be his daughter.

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. +1000000

[stupidicus]

61. indeed, all of which these 3rdway types must support

because none of a very lengthy list of bs like that seems to dissuade them from their starry-eyed notions about his admin.

They've really got nothing there but a stock bubble-fueled period of high econ activity, and thta's about it.

[stupidicus]

60. you mean criminal justice and welfare reform, GS repeal, etc, etc, etc

that has had a disproportionate and very negative impact on "black lives". Your forgiveness is touching, but don't spoeak for anyone but yourself, no?

Or are you talking about that stock bubble that lent the illusion the great economy was all about his policies, tax raises, etc.

He as pres, spearheaded the DLC/3rdwayer, not bloodless coup, takeover of the dem party and therefore created the very conditions overwhich this schism in the dem party arose and is being battled out in the primary.

[oasis]

67. BC must have done something right, that's why he's campaigning.

Naturally, he has a few right and left wing detractors who would never be satisfied with any of his accomplishments.

Fact: William Jefferson Clinton is still admired by millions of Democrats.

[guillaumeb]

70. I listed some of Willie's dubious accomplishments.

Thus making me a left wing detractor. Would you care to list what you feel best represents Willie's accomplishments?

Fact: Ronald Wilson Reagan is still admired by millions of Republicans. And that proves what?

[stupidicus]

71. indeed, all it shows is that

"millions" are still oblivious to or fully supportive of BC's efforts, despite the fact that the bad far outweighs the good.

It's like for some his econ record trumps all.

[oasis]

73. If it doesn't work for you, you'll get no apologies from those

who benefited from the Clinton era prosperity.

[guillaumeb]

82. Which begs the obvious question:

Who benefited?

[oasis]

83. See post# 72.

[oasis]

72. 22+ million jobs created under Clinton's watch.

That's enough to win plenty of lifetime admirers.

[stupidicus]

76. let them admire all they want

for millions of others, it evaporated when the bubble burst.

There's a direct corrolation between rising awareness of his failures and support for BS and opposition to HC I'd say.

[oasis]

78. Differences of opinion. That's what makes horse races

and elections.

Btw, Hillary Clinton=American Pharoah in this contest.

[stupidicus]

81. I thought she was more akin to

Hillary of Ark...lol

[oasis]

88. Address her as Madam President if you should get an invite to

the annual White House Easter Egg Roll.

[stupidicus]

90. not to change the subject

but is that "Mr Natural" that you're using as your avatar?

I don't know if I have a wire or two crossed, or if that's the little guy that use to appear on some...

[oasis]

94. Robert Crumb's "Zap".

Great stuff, back in the day.

[guillaumeb]

85. Very true!

Jobs at WalMart, jobs at McDonalds, Burger King, Wendys, the mall. Jobs stocking store shelves with Chinese and Vietnamese merchandise.

Dumping of products like Chinese steel, Chinese tires, Asian cars, etc.

[Skidmore]

9. You know what.

What happens in their marriage is no one's business. It wasn't back then and it is still not. I don't think Bill has gotten a wink wink by any means. He was impeached and the whole family publicly humiliated over something which should have remained a private matter.

[rbrnmw]

10. thank you

[zazen]

16. thank you for your website, but when HRC supporters hold her up as ROLE MODEL, then yes

I do believe the way she's treated in her marriage is fair game.

I was disgusted by the impeachment situation and I don't want to hear about people's private sex lives. The Republicans sexually assaulted all of us by forcing sexual disclosure on Monica Lewinsky and by forcing us to be confronted with it. Psychologically it felt like being in the presence of a person sexually exposing themselves, and that's on Ken Starr et al.

However, when so many supporters of Hillary claim the primary reason they want to elect her is what a role model she'll be for young women, then that kind of personal inspirational invocation opens up how she lives her entire life to scrutiny.

I don't judge her for tolerating Bill's repeated infidelities with exceptionally younger women, but one can't argue that 1) her whole life experience is this amazing model to which female youth should aspire and 2) not acknowledge the profound disappointment with which we as females are faced every time we're reminded of it.

Every time I see her I'm reminded that strong heterosexual women are supposed to feel lucky as we age that any man will stick by us. That we have to put up with this shit. I have other reasons for opposing her policies, but I also am sickened that I have to be reminded of him and his male privilege.

Male privilege doesn't mean the men in question haven't accomplished anything. Since all men benefit from it and many men exploit it, our civilization is built on it.

[rbrnmw]

19. this is ridiculous

do you hold Bernie to the same standards? Because the GOP has some kindling for that fire too. Maybe Bill did stay with Hillary because of her accomplishments.

[NurseJackie]

23. Thank you!

I've seen multiple hidden posts that dared to mention certain aspects of Bernie's past.

[zazen]

38. actually, if there's a pattern there, we should openly discuss it

I agree with you there. I don't know anything other than the few isolated early skeletons, but if people know more, that shouldn't be silenced.

If the pattern were continuing into the recent past or present (and not strictly about children), it ought to be out in the open (because the Republicans would have a field day with it anyway).

I feel that way with any candidate. It's patterns, not one-off behaviors in which all humans engage. But the pattern of repeated promises to change and failures to indicates a larger issue with dishonesty and does become the public's business.

[zazen]

24. no, your inconsistency is ridiculous: her husband is either relevant, or he's not

You can't pick and choose from his history and then, when we bring up very relevant points that have to do with the supposed feminism Hillary's election is meant to promote, say, oh, that history is irrelevant and the personal is irrelevant and we're being ridiculous and it's only Hillary who's running.

I'd like to leave him out of this. I'd also like to leave his treatment of her and her having to tolerate it out of this. That was my original point.

But when you link to his talk and are cheering, and the mainstream media links to it and doesn't cover any of Bernie's rallies, then you're making him relevant.

You can't have it both ways.

[rbrnmw]

27. I'm not inconsistant

I think Jane Sanders should campaign for her husband. Bill Clinton is a former President I can't erase history, more Americans like him than those who don't. I see you are one of the latter. Have a nice day.

[Skidmore]

22. Hillary's life experience has been very basically

a human one--one with which many women can at once relate to in terms of disappointments and aspire to in terms of triumphs. She has had an amazing career. I would rather young women learn to rise above adversity and I do think she has demonstrated that you can continue on your path in inspite of obstacles. None of our life experiences make us any more than fellow human beings on journeys through this world. There are no saints, only others taking different paths--some more bumpy than others. We get into trouble when we start projecting our own motives and aspirations onto someone else's experience.

[zazen]

29. but, your wish that "young women learn to rise above adversity" is projecting your own aspiration

which you then say causes us to "get into trouble."

This is the subject for a series of essays, not this thread, but is the adversity aging women face of husbands repeatedly cheating on women with younger partners strictly some random life trauma, or is it the result of systemic oppression?

What gets conveniently elided here in these discussions is the gray area between this . . . is this a personal behavior on her husband's part that we must all ignore, or is this reflective of a larger politic?

And is her coping with it an example of personal strength against a rare tragedy or reflective of millennia of ways females have had to cope with male privilege in their interpersonal relationships?

What I'm saying is that when she's invoked as this gender hero--when the 50-year-corpus of the "personal is political" is invoked to argue for the vital urgency of her candidacy--then the politics of her marriage ARE RELEVANT.

So, her supporters either need keep it out, or come clean about it.

I'd rather judge her on her policies and ideology. She's brilliant and tough as nails, but I think her neoliberal ideology is fatally flawed.

[guillaumeb]

36. Your responses here definitely deserve their own space.

I agree with your contentions and would like to see you post an essay on the subject.

I agree that, whatever his supposed "accomplishments", and my response upthread lists some, William Clinton is an amoral, serial polygamist and while not really a pedophile, definitely one who preys on younger people. He is a great example of someone with tremendous intelligence, huge ambition, and zero morality. His shameless pursuit of money after leaving the Presidency is an interesting contrast to how Jimmy Carter has conducted himself.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

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[guillaumeb]

89. Thank you for the "alert" alert.

Given that I actually said:
..."William Clinton is an amoral, serial polygamist and while not really a pedophile, definitely one who preys on younger people...."

I did not say he was a pedophile. I said he was a person who preys, or preyed, on younger people. All of the evidence introduced during the impeachment farce, while it did not support Articles of Impeachment, DID give strong evidence that Willie Clinton was serially adulterous.

Sad that fellow Democrats cannot admit that even Democrats are human. Deifying our Presidents leads to denial and disillusionment.

[R B Garr]

37. It's a pity you are using your uninformed bias

to judge someone else's marriage. It' obvious from reading about them that their fierce intellects are a huge attraction for one another, but you are the one diminishing her by focusing on her sexual appeal only.

[zazen]

39. so, acknowledging/bemoaning hateful misogynist criticisms of her appearance="diminishing her?"

By calling out sexism and ageism against powerful women, I'm guilty of "focusing on her sexual appeal only?"

Wow.

[R B Garr]

47. Generalizations, but now you are backtracking

from your generic diatribe against Bill, which is what I was responding to.

Their relationship is obviously rooted in much more than how she's held up sexually as she ages.

[artislife]

20. I actually agree with you. I think marriage is between the people in it.

Why people love each other, support each other and are together is unique.

[riversedge]

45. Even Sanders said that Bill's sex life is not important. Hope his supporters follow him.

[jonno99]

26. +1 Agree. nt

[lewebley3]

53. I think Bill and Hillary are a great team: The had won of the most succesful Adms

[LuvLoogie]

109. It seems to me that you are projecting your attitudes

upon the Clintons. Is it a feminist attitude or your simply not being able to move on as they have?

[cali]

12. Ugh. President Triangulater.

[rbrnmw]

13. typical nt

[Skidmore]

17. I doubt that Bill Clinton is the only politician

who has ever engaged in triangulation. In fact, I think Sanders has his own interesting little twist on it and uses it.

[jonno99]

30. The comparison between B.Clinton and Obama is very interesting to me.

Their styles are almost 180 degrees apart. Clinton was the "glad-hander" who found a way to work with the opposition. Obama remains insulated and aloof - eschewing almost any contact with those of diverse opinion (at least it looks that way from where I sit), choosing instead to keep his own counsel and "go it alone" if need be.

History will tell I guess, which leadership style was more effective...

[zazen]

35. they have very similar agendas, though, which helps with the experimental design

Sanders has a very different agenda.

I do remain sincerely concerned about his capacity to enact much of it unless we have a broader progressive coalition in Congress, and that's apart from his leadership style, which has not been very compromising (yet), as I understand it.

Assuming there was a coalition in Congress large enough to help the US move more toward economic democracy, it'd be interesting to see how the glad-handing vs. aloof style (or another one) would work.

[George II]

58. It's not so much a difference between styles, but makeup of Congress/Senate from the 1990s and today

[cali]

31. Give an example of Sanders triangulating.

[Waiting for Someone]

100. Can you hear that pin drop from a mile away?

<cue in the crickets>

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

42. It was an ... unusual approach.

Bill seemed to be making a great case that Hillary gets a lot more done when she's not in office. He kept talking about all the things she'd done, and emphasizing that they were done when she was 'not elected'.

I think the only thing he specifically mentioned that she got done while in office was that she got saved a lot more lives from AIDS overseas, by making sure that Africans got generic AIDS drugs cheaply, as opposed to what goes on in America, where the administration made sure we didn't get to bargain with Big Pharma when they did 'healthcare reform'. Wasn't sure if he was trying to put in a jab at Obama there.

(He might have mentioned others while I was taking the dogs out, but everything else I heard seemed to be done out of office.)

Bottom line? Hillary is a great person when she's not holding office. So let's keep her in the private sector, where she'll get a lot more good done.

[riversedge]

43. Some pics and content at this Thread also.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251972531




Hillary for NH Retweeted
Bill Clinton ?@billclinton 1h1 hour ago

Hitting the trail for @HillaryClinton in New Hampshire today. #ImWithHer

[Iliyah]

44. K & R

Bill Clinton YAY!

Again RWer's talking points about everybody else's sex life but their own. These people are the lookie loos of everything not in compliance with their own deranged minds unless if it pertains to them but their GAWD forgives. This is not the America I want to live in.

[Phlem]

50. Oh. Is that NAFTA Bill talking again?

[ViseGrip]

51. I thought it was media consolidation act in 1996 Bill Clinton.

I have just heard the republicans are bringing out the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, asking why Bill went to the pedophile island 12 times? Trump was involved also they say. I smell a KKKarl Rove rat in there. Don't shoot the messenger here, I was just sent a bunch of what republicans are sending around. This won't be pretty.

[riversedge]

54. The crowd here today loved him. That is what matters......

Julie McClain ?@McClainJulie 2h2 hours ago

No surprise, @billclinton brings Nashua crowd to its feet! Energized for next 36 days w/@HillaryforNH. #nhpolitics






Rachael Goldenberg ?@RachaelGoldie 2h2 hours ago

Like @HillaryClinton, @BillClinton speaks today about issues that matter - addiction, healthcare #42inthe603

[Phlem]

62. Wow! That's awesome but

it's the crowd who lost their full time jobs because of NAFTA that don't like him too much. I haven't had a steady job ever since and so have a lot of my friends and family. But republicans I know would say, as long as you've got yours, it's all good huh.

This place is turning more and more rightwing as the days progress.

[George II]

55. No, it's President Clinton, thank you.

[Phlem]

59. Let's try former President.

[George II]

56. I could listen to that guy all day.

[lunamagica]

57. K&R. YAY for Bill!

[McCamy Taylor]

65. I love Big Dog!

[99Forever]

66. Good.

That should remind voters that when you buy a ticket on the Clinton Express, it includes a huge boxcar filled with Slick Willy's sleazy baggage.

[oasis]

74. It's more a "baggage" for Bill's detractors than it is for him.

They seem to be the ones who have been carrying it around for decades.

[99Forever]

86. Doesn't matter who's....

..."carrying it," it's still there and it's still sleazy.

[oasis]

91. There you go again. At the end of 8 more years of

retread "baggage" commentary, there still may be a handful of eager folks willing to listen.

[99Forever]

93. More than a "few."

There are millions and the barrage will be 24/7 and unrelenting. Living in denial might make you feel better, but don't expect the rest of us to defend Slick Willy. We've had more than our fill of that. In the meantime, not a damn thing gets done for people who are hurting and going under, but as long Hillary fulfills her personal power trip, who really gives a shit about those little people anyway.

[oasis]

95. It'll be soooo sad if you are reading from the same script 8 years from now.

To be clear, sad for all who have to struggle to make it relevant.

[99Forever]

96. Script?

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

That's the lamest fucking attempt at a snide remark I've read this year.

[oasis]

99. "Lame" like parroting 20+year old irrelevant material.

I'm done going over this with you. Have fun with your ongoing project.

[99Forever]

106. Bwahahaha...

"Parroting"

You are like a caricature of every kneejerk excuse in the world.

Keep digging.

[rbrnmw]

97. So nice to see

A well liked respected former Democratic President of the United States denigrated to a RW smear nickname, on DEMOCRATIC Underground. Only RWers call him that usually.

[99Forever]

98. Oh well.

In you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

And BTW

Fuck each and every RW POS on the planet, who btw, Hillary's views are a whole fucking bunch closer to than mine.

[MrWendel]

80. Whatever you say...

Trump.

[ucrdem]

77. NH is where it all began for the "Comeback Kid" in '92

[Punkingal]

87. His charm wore off for me long ago.

Because of his policies....NAFTA, Telecommunication Act, etc. I can no longer even listen to him.

[JackInGreen]

101. If hills time as first lady is off limits

I don't want to hear crap about her spouses support for anything her or her perspective. Not ok for one, not ok for both.

[rbrnmw]

102. So why comment at all? Just ignore my thread.

[JackInGreen]

103. Sorry sunshine

The cost of posting is commentary. Why would i ignore it?

[rbrnmw]

104. Do what you want I just didn't mean to upset anyone

[JackInGreen]

105. Oh rb

It's primary season chummer, we're almost ALL upset at something, it's ok. Weather the slings and arrows, welcome to legislature. (Unlike parliament we've no two drink minimum)

[rbrnmw]

108. lol

then I will drink up

[JackInGreen]

111. CHEERS!

Serious, the silly season is sick, gods willing we'll find our way back together at the end of things, but there've been purges before. We'll probably see another as anyone not current toeing the (current) party line finds themselves less and less welcome. Never let it stop you (or anyone that challenges you, like me) from speaking your mind and being loud and proud about what you think.