Do you stand with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton in trying to reduce gun violence?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19 votes, 4 passes | Time left: Unlimited
	Yes
	17 (89%)
	No
	2 (11%)
	4 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[mmonk]

1. I absolutely love gun violence because i

support Bernie Sanders.

[Cali_Democrat]

2. Huh? nt

[Broward]

17. Huh?

[CharlotteVale]

12. LOL, I had the same reaction.

[m-lekktor]

20. LOL. yep, the passive aggressive implication of this OP.

Similar thing with his NARAL OP.

[CoffeeCat]

26. LOL! (nt)

[yuiyoshida]

27. heh! I see what you did there!

[beam me up scottie]

39. *snerk* Thread win!!!

[2pooped2pop]

40. exactly what I saw in this thread title. n/t

[earthside]

3. What does Mrs. Clinton have to do with it?

She didn't issue any orders or requirements, did she?

Actually, I don't even know of any NRA members who wouldn't agree with the notion of reducing gun violence.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. The NRA actually wants more gun violence

because it helps their bottom line.

When a racist like Dylan Roof shoots up a black church or a maniac kills two dozen elementary school kids, gun sales actually rise.

The NRA very much wants as much gun violence as possible.

NRA members bankroll the NRA.

[Vinca]

4. This poll is like asking how many think birthday cake is a good thing.

[Motown_Johnny]

16. No, it is asking if birthday cake is a good thing, and Hillary Clinton.

Sad really, because she had nothing to do with it. I think their hero worship is finally getting the best of them.

[tularetom]

6. What's this "and Hillary Clinton" stuff?

I heard that the President was giving a speech, but I didn't watch it since I have no access to network or cable TV. So I can't tell you whether or not I agree with what he said.

But WTF did Hillary Clinton have to do with it? Was she standing there with him as he spoke? Or do you just want us to think she was?

[EdwardBernays]

7. What do I vote

If I think their suggestions are weak and could potentially be worse than nothing at all ..?

[zipplewrath]

9. Why I took a "pass"

I don't object to what they are doing, and what he can do is severely limited by his executive power. But it is mostly window dressing on a very large problem. It's positioning for the future, even if it is for a future president. And depending upon who that president becomes, it could ultimately move things in the wrong direction. But I do understand the president's frustration and feeling that he had to try something.

[EdwardBernays]

10. couldn't agree more

and I hate to see all the "we solved gun violence" high fiveing going on...

[zipplewrath]

31. Always the problem with "incrementalism"

It can really lead to one of two false conclusions:

1) we "fixed" it. (and so we're done)

2) These things don't work (so we shouldn't do them anymore).

Incrementalism is fine, but it MUST move us forward toward the final goal, and there must be tangible improvements from these incremental steps OTHER than the political victory itself. In this case I'm not clear that either is true, certainly not the latter.

[EdwardBernays]

33. the other large problem in this case is...

no one on either side will say what the goals are... how can anyone judge if anything is successful when the goals are so deliberately vague...

"Taking a small step towards gradually and potentially making things vaguely better in the long run" is not a goal anyone should really get behind, because it can mean almost literally anything, and when it doesn't come true for most people it will be seen as a failure...

"oh hey look, only 2400 kids were shot dead in 2016 - victory!"

[ismnotwasm]

8. Yes.

It's simply enough question--yes or no. I say yes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

[restorefreedom]

11. you forgot a couple

since hrc is not the only dem running, the poll should also include

omalley

https://martinomalley.com/policy/preventing-and-reducing-gun-violence/

and sanders

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-obama-gun-control_568935b2e4b0b958f65be793

but being an honest and sincere person as you are, i am sure it was not an intentional omission

namaste

[beam me up scottie]

13. Of course, I'm sure it was just an oversight.

I would hate to think the op is exploiting such an important issue in order to villify those who fall for his loaded question.

[restorefreedom]

14. du is MUCH more polite than that.

my take: such questions are intended to subliminally unite obama with clinton (the so called third term) and solidify her status as the de facto nom.

maybe to convince us, maybe to convince themselves that it is still possible, despite bernie's momentum.

[beam me up scottie]

21. Why do you hate America?

[restorefreedom]

30. lolololololol! nt

[JonLeibowitz]

35. Have you stopped beating your husband?

[beam me up scottie]

37. Yes! I mean no! Dammit! What just happened?

[SwampG8r]

42. Who ever falls for them?

Why would any thinking person fall for the weak sauce baiting?

[Motown_Johnny]

15. Exactly what did the Sec. of State do to try to decrease domestic gun violence?

Standing on stage doesn't count.

[cali]

18. I love McCarthyite tactics!

[cali]

19. And Bernie who is supporting the President's executive orders on guns every bit as much

as Hillary.

[Betty Karlson]

23. + 1 on that curiously missing option!

[aikoaiko]

22. No, I support Obama and Bernie Sanders' stance.

Mostly.

[DesertRat]

24. Of course!

[sadoldgirl]

25. At this point I don't, because bringing the gun

issue to the very front could very well lead to the loss
of Dems in the election. Tackle it afterwards, but not right now.

(BTW: I detest guns!)

[-none]

29. Like after every mass shooting is not the time to bring up gun control?

It is way past time to tackle this deadly problem as it is.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. I think we lost the vote of everybody who opposes sensible gun policies long ago./nt

[elleng]

28. I stand with President Obama and Martin O'Malley.

PREVENTING AND REDUCING GUN VIOLENCE

https://martinomalley.com/policy/preventing-and-reducing-gun-violence/

[pangaia]

34. No I want MORE gun violence, So I support Bernie.

[abakan]

36. I stand with the president not the president wannabe. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Happy New Year and thanx for kicking my thread.

[Vattel]

41. The best way to reduce violence is not to elect a hawk like Clinton.

[SwampG8r]

44. I stand with obama and sanders

Weak sauce baiting and thats being generous towards your effort

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. "Happy New Year and thanx for kicking my thread." (REDUX)

I stand with obama and sanders

Weak sauce baiting and thats being generous towards your effort

-SwampG8r

[John Poet]

46. I don't stand with Hillary, so I guess

I'll have to vote 'no'.