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First Reuters-Ipsos National poll of the new year-HRC 60% (+3) SBS 28% (-4) MOM 3% (+1) (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 OP
Too bad they didn't report yesterday. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #1
Where was this poll and why wasn't it posted?nt Sheepshank Jan 2016 #5
You can follow their daily tracker HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Jan 2016 #8
It's not an anomaly HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #9
There is no significant move that I could see Sheepshank Jan 2016 #11
Well there have been some of those over the history of that chart HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #12
Yeah they've gotten better, but they're still one of the pollsters I don't have a lot of faith in Godhumor Jan 2016 #18
Holy Guacamole! Alfresco Jan 2016 #2
Beach Boys Iliyah Jan 2016 #3
WOOHOO! MoonRiver Jan 2016 #4
It's a good thing polls don't matter Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #7
I think there is no beginning and no end to the allowable times for complaining! MoonRiver Jan 2016 #10
Because I'm HAPPY ... Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth! :-D NurseJackie Jan 2016 #13
Love that song! MoonRiver Jan 2016 #14
I do too! Here's the TEN HOUR looped remix!! (Let's party!!) NurseJackie Jan 2016 #15
Getting Better DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #19
Oh that would be perfect! MoonRiver Jan 2016 #22
Well I'm happier after watching that. Thanks NurseJackie. Alfresco Jan 2016 #17
Yay!! Very good news! Heard that song and I was sixteen again. Loved it. Thank you DSB. Laser102 Jan 2016 #16
You're welcome. My favorite Beach Boys song DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #21
Hot damn ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #20
Interesting thing about these Reuters Polls Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #23
To make you whine. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #24
Many do make their Method/Demos available Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #25
Methodolgy DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #26
Awesome! DCBob Jan 2016 #27
'Tis but a mere flesh wound! tritsofme Jan 2016 #28
LOL Alfresco Jan 2016 #31
Hmmm/nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #35
This primary campaign is swiftly drawing to a close workinclasszero Jan 2016 #29
Definately some good vibrations there. The lead is holding, even increasing. K & R nt Persondem Jan 2016 #30
First NBC/Survey monkey poll of the year: Hillary 53, Bernie 36, O'Malley 2 jfern Jan 2016 #32
Thank you for bringing us that information. Yes, she increased her lead in that poll too... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #34
Kickin' The Good Vibes. Alfresco Jan 2016 #33
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
1. Too bad they didn't report yesterday.
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jan 2016

When it was something around 56 for Hillary and 32 for Bernie. Their polls swing all over the place.

Response to HerbChestnut (Reply #6)

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
11. There is no significant move that I could see
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:40 PM
Jan 2016

A significant move would be greater and outside of the margin of error IMHO.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
12. Well there have been some of those over the history of that chart
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jan 2016

But they quickly correct themselves and normalize. The take home message is that Ipsos/Reuters polls can be valuable if you take into account their variability. Individual poll results from them are unreliable, but they can show trends over time.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
18. Yeah they've gotten better, but they're still one of the pollsters I don't have a lot of faith in
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:36 PM
Jan 2016

Though, to be fair, I'm that way about any of the unproven, radical new ways of doing things guys like YouGov and SurveyMonkey.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
7. It's a good thing polls don't matter
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jan 2016

Cause we all know HRC has bought the codes for the voting machines.

Or were we supposed to wait until after February 1st to complain about that?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. Because I'm HAPPY ... Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth! :-D
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jan 2016


Because I'm happy... Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof!
Because I'm happy... Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth!
Because I'm happy... Clap along if you know what happiness is to you!
Because I'm happy... Clap along if you feel like that's what you wanna do!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. I do too! Here's the TEN HOUR looped remix!! (Let's party!!)
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jan 2016

Bill had Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop" ... I hope that Hillary adopts "Happy" as an unofficial theme.



Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
23. Interesting thing about these Reuters Polls
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jan 2016

This is the third one (Reuters) posted at DU that I've attempted to locate the methodology and demographics on.
They don't seem to make that available. Why?

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
25. Many do make their Method/Demos available
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:28 PM
Jan 2016

That's why most of us don't buy their polls ans anything more than BS

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
26. Methodolgy
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jan 2016
Many do make their Method/Demos available. That's why most of us don't buy their polls ans anything more than BS


-Ferd Berfel


This Reuters / Ipsos poll began in January 2012 and since then continuously polled between 2,000 and 3,000 people a week. Over that period, we have asked hundreds of questions ranging from presidential politics to the Oscars, from the Syrian civil war to the perception of social networks, such as Facebook and Twitter.

Unlike almost all mainstream polls, the data is entirely collected via online surveys. Online surveys allow us to collect far more data and to be more flexible and fast-moving than phone research, and online is also where the future of polling lies.

This methodology may be different from the ‘traditional’ (telephone) approach used by others, but it is highly accurate: It was the most accurate national poll of US residents published immediately before the November 2012 general election.

Our data is primarily drawn from online surveys using sampling methods developed in consultation with several outside experts. These involve recruiting respondents from the entire population of US-based Internet users in addition to hundreds of thousands of individuals pre-screened by Ipsos. The responses are then weighted based on demographic information.

Because of the volume of demographic information collected, the poll provides unprecedented insight into the myriad of communities that constitute the United States in the 21st century.

This window into the population allows users to look at the polling results over time and adjust the aggregated interval of results to maintain a reasonable sample size. Those intervals are five-day rolling average as well as weekly, monthly and overall averages.

The accuracy is measured using Bayesian credibility intervals. For the stats folks among you: the credibility interval assumes that Y has a binomial distribution conditioned on the parameter ?, i.e., Y|?~Bin(n,? , where n is the size of our sample. In this setting, Y counts the number of “yes”, or “1”, observed in the sample, so that the sample mean (y ̅ is a natural estimate of the true population proportion ?. This model is often called the likelihood function, and it is a standard concept in both the Bayesian and the Classical framework.

In the Bayesian framework, one’s knowledge base is one’s Prior Distribution. For the purposes of this document, ? is a proportion which assumes values between 0 and 1. This may reflect the proportion supporting a particular voter initiative or candidate. The family of prior distributions we are considering assumes a beta distribution, In effect, ? ? ~ß(a,b) is a useful representation of our prior knowledge about the proportion ?. The quantities a and b are called hyper-parameters, and are used to express/model one’s prior opinion about ?.

In other words, judicial choice of a and b can restate one’s belief that the parameter is nearer to 25% (a=1 and b=3), near to 50% (a=1 and b=1) or nearer to 75% (a=3 and b=1). The choices of a and b also defines the shape of the probability curve, with a=1 and b=1 denoting a uniform or flat distribution. In effect, this is equivalent to believing that the true value of ? has the same chance of being any value between 0 and 1.

The hyper-parameters a and b are not limited to a known constant. They too can be modeled as random quantities. This adds flexibility to the model, and it allows for data-based approaches to be considered, such as Empirical and Hierarchical Bayes.

The posterior distribution in Bayesian statistics takes the likelihood function and combines it with our prior distribution. Using our prior Beta distribution, the posterior distribution is also a beta distribution (? ?/y) ~ ß (y+a,n–y+b)). It is the hyper-parameters of the prior distribution, i.e., one’s knowledge base, updated using the latest survey information9. In other words, the posterior distribution represents our opinion on which are the plausible values for ? adjusted after observing the sample data.

Our credibility interval for ? is based on this posterior distribution. As mentioned above, these intervals represent our belief about which are the most plausible values for ? given our updated knowledge base.

There are different ways to calculate these intervals based on ? ?/y). One approach is to create an estimator analogous to what is done within the Classical framework. In this case, the credible interval for any observed sample is based on a prior distribution that does not include information from our knowledge base. This case occurs when we assume that the parameters of the beta distribution are a=1, b=1 and y=n/2.

Essentially, these choices provide a uniform prior distribution where the value of ? is equally likely on the range between 0 and 1. In effect, our knowledge base is equally sure or unsure that the true value is near zero, 25%, 50%, 75% or 100%. The confidence interval is usually calculated assuming a normal distribution.

However when we are measuring a proportion, and the estimate of the proportion is close to one or zero, this approach is no longer accurate. Therefore we use a logit transform of the proportion and estimate its confidence interval, then invert to calculate the confidence interval of the proportion.

Please enjoy and share. If you have any questions, please contact me, Chris Kahn, U.S. Polling Editor

http://polling.reuters.com/




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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
29. This primary campaign is swiftly drawing to a close
Tue Jan 5, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary has been in the lead from the beginning.

27 days till the Iowa Presidential Caucuses

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
34. Thank you for bringing us that information. Yes, she increased her lead in that poll too...
Wed Jan 6, 2016, 09:09 AM
Jan 2016

And we need to look at all the polls, even the outliers.

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