2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBig Dawg just said: Hillary campaign is about "broad-based prosperity"...
Source: LIVE on MSNBC moments ago.
Hmmm...discuss!
riversedge
(70,177 posts)people.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... she's got MY vote!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)Go Hillary!!!
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Too bad he couldn't treat her with more respect in their marriage.
riversedge
(70,177 posts)their marriage please.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)and think it's bad idea for him to be talking about how they met and how wonderful she is when he cheated on her reportly repeatly.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I think he treated her shamefully!
Unfortunately his actions didn't support his words.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Here is the poverty level by year:
Obviously he has standing since he reduced it during his term.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... or maybe people are just forgetful! I'm looking forward to having Hillary as the president. She's got MY vote!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)That goes a long way to explain why Hillary is doing so well among those groups
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)Of course the pie has gotten a lot bigger in the past 30 years and the middle class has not benefitted at all and is actually going backwards.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)So is that why Hispanic and African American American unemployment and poverty was at its lowest level in a generation during Bill Clinton's tenure?
Human101948
(3,457 posts)relative to their usual standing in our society.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/08/21/through-good-times-and-bad-black-unemployment-is-consistently-double-that-of-whites/
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)The shepherd always tries to persuade the sheep that their interests and his own are the same. Marie Beyle (Schopenhauer)
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Just sort of curious about the literal aspect of that.
If you are raising sheep for wool, then your interests seem to be minding the health and well being of the sheep, and seasonally shearing them.
I'm not aware of too many wild herds of sheep, so they apparently don't do well on their own.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I rather doubt that the sheep are terribly enthusiastic about be shorn or being killed and having their body parts consumed by shepherds (or, anything else).
Think we could safely call that a divergence of interests.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...because they have been selectively bred to produce a buttload of wool, and if not shorn they become incapacitated eventually by a huge thick mat of it. It's like believing dairy cows don't like to be milked.
But please note that I said If you are raising sheep for wool...
Sad sheep:
Would you like to walk around blind and overheated all summer?
Happy sheep:
Furthermore, revenue from the wool keeps the farm running. No farm, no sheep. The well-being of the sheep is coupled to the well-being of the shepherd.
My comment was furthermore specifically directed to sheep raised for wool. But without protection from wolves, it really makes no difference whether they are raised for meat, since absent the shepherd they are going to be a meal sooner than later.
Now, a word about alpacas...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I suppose he could've used cattle and cowboys.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)There are not many wild sheep (I imagine there are some mountain relatives of them, but I am not a zoologist).
Given that wolves and other predators would make quick work of sheep, the shepherd certainly seems like the less of two evils, since the wolves are not going to wait around and fatten them.
If you ever visit New Zealand, you'll rapidly get the impression the sheep have a pretty good deal. They practically own that country.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)But, Schopenhauer was really referring to people being led by "leaders" to the slaughter.
azmom
(5,208 posts)People.
Broward
(1,976 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Another mega rich ex President with no credibility. I guess it depends on what "is" is.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)her
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)It's just low class.