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pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:00 PM Jan 2016

Did Obama intentionally call out Bernie Sanders on gun control?

Bernie supported the PLCAA, which helped manufacturers "enjoy virtual immunity from lawsuits," in Obama's words.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-record-gun-control-crosshair-president-obamas/story?id=36175877

After President Obama wrote an op-ed in the New York Times, many campaign observers began to question whether the president had intentionally called out Sen. Bernie Sanders’ record on gun control.

"I will not campaign for, vote for or support any candidate, even in my own party, who does not support common-sense gun reform,” Obama wrote. The president then commented on gun manufacturer liability, an issue on which Sanders had notably voted with Republicans.

Though Sanders now claims he is open to revisiting his support for liability legislation that benefits gun manufacturers, Obama’s comment that he will be a single-issue voter in 2016 was widely perceived as many as a warning to the Democratic presidential contender.

“Today, the gun industry is almost entirely unaccountable,” Obama noted in his op-ed. “Thanks to the gun lobby’s decades of efforts, Congress has blocked our consumer products safety experts from being able to require that firearms have even the most basic safety measures … they’ve guaranteed that manufacturers enjoy virtual immunity from lawsuits, which means that they can sell lethal products and rarely face consequences.”
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Did Obama intentionally call out Bernie Sanders on gun control? (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2016 OP
No. Bernie supports common sense gun control. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #1
He supported the PLCAA, which the President thinks is the opposite. n/t pnwmom Jan 2016 #2
The President has an unreasonable position on this issue. n/t JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #32
The gun manufacture liability shield is bad policy Gothmog Jan 2016 #45
Disagree. The PLCAA makes little sense. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #46
Common Sense Gun Measures Make Sense... Confiscatory Measures Not! Thsi Waas A Distraction CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #48
of course not. bernie came out right away to support the pres exec action restorefreedom Jan 2016 #3
Obama was against the PCLAA, and in this statement spoke out against pnwmom Jan 2016 #5
there are a number of common sense measures restorefreedom Jan 2016 #11
Then you're ignoring part of the content of Obama's statement. pnwmom Jan 2016 #13
i did read what obama said restorefreedom Jan 2016 #24
Being "willing to revisit" okasha Jan 2016 #21
+1. nt pnwmom Jan 2016 #23
it wasn't my quote. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #25
No he did not. Autumn Jan 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2016 #6
I agree. Who in Obama's own party would be more important pnwmom Jan 2016 #8
I certainly don't think he did so by accident. okasha Jan 2016 #26
Yep. Sure seemed that way to me too Number23 Jan 2016 #40
Indeed. okasha Jan 2016 #42
I'd like to think so. ucrdem Jan 2016 #7
. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #9
^^ DUzy, and you win the thread! n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #10
Thank you! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #17
Maybe they need more time to properly appreciate you. n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #19
Again with the dumb ass jpegs. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #14
If the meme fits... and get over yourself, I don't need or want your approval. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #16
Not mad. just expect a little more. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #20
this is one of my faves. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #28
Doesn't seem his style. Maybe a little tweek. MeNMyVolt Jan 2016 #12
He should have a problem with SBS. ucrdem Jan 2016 #15
Didn't realize Bernie was so much the time traveler Paulie Jan 2016 #43
No. The President just feels strongly about the issue. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2016 #18
I wonder why he said he won't campaign for these people, even if they're Democrats? pnwmom Jan 2016 #22
You do realize he campaigns for a *lot* of Dems? winter is coming Jan 2016 #27
thats what i think he is talking about. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #29
Exactly. Well said and thank you. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #30
Yep, but it's much more FUN to push the media click bait. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #33
You're making the common mistake of assuming honest intentions from the OP. arcane1 Jan 2016 #35
One of these days someone will buy it. winter is coming Jan 2016 #37
I'm sure he is trying to influence their positions! And rightly so! Lil Missy Jan 2016 #38
No. emulatorloo Jan 2016 #31
I don't think gun control was ever his issue but circumstances have forced him to take it seriously. ucrdem Jan 2016 #34
Most of the editorial was great. Vattel Jan 2016 #36
He's just not going to throw his support behind any that don't assume his position, apparently. JudyM Jan 2016 #39
The President's endorsement okasha Jan 2016 #41
I don't think his intent was to call him out personally ... LannyDeVaney Jan 2016 #44
When Bernie is the Democratic Candidate President Obama will be there for him. jillan Jan 2016 #47

Gothmog

(145,086 posts)
45. The gun manufacture liability shield is bad policy
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:28 AM
Jan 2016

President Obama was correct to attack this policy and Sanders needs to change his position on this policy.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
46. Disagree. The PLCAA makes little sense.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:29 AM
Jan 2016

Sure, let's hold manufacturers liable for products that function correctly, and gun dealers who follow the law in selling them.

Uhm, wait, what?

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
48. Common Sense Gun Measures Make Sense... Confiscatory Measures Not! Thsi Waas A Distraction
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jan 2016

A "Shiny Object" to distract from Bernie's Wall Street speech coordinated with Chris Matthews Hardball "All Hillary Clinton" Show... Totally a coordinated MSM means of limiting public awareness of Bernie's public pronouncement on Wall Street Regulation.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
3. of course not. bernie came out right away to support the pres exec action
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jan 2016

obama was talking about the weenies who will not go against the nra.

and he was right to, imo

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
5. Obama was against the PCLAA, and in this statement spoke out against
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:07 PM
Jan 2016

measures like it that protect manufacturers from lawsuits.

Bernie voted for the PCLAA.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
11. there are a number of common sense measures
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jan 2016

that have to be addressed right away before everyone wades into product liability. and bernie has said he is willing to reexamine the issue.

i don't believe it is what the pres was talking about specifically or that he was going after bernie in any way. bernie is all in on common sense measures, always has been.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
13. Then you're ignoring part of the content of Obama's statement.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jan 2016

Because you don't think reconsidering the issue of product liability is a priority.

Which is fine. But Bernie shouldn't. It could prove critical if he is the nominee.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. i did read what obama said
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:23 PM
Jan 2016

but if he has an issue with bernie specifically and with that issue, he should come out and name him. this pussyfooting around is one of the reasons i hate politics. bernie is a grown up. he will have a conversation with the president in public or private. but he is not going to play guessing games. no one should at this point. its stupid and childish. let them hash it out like adults.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
21. Being "willing to revisit"
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jan 2016

being somehow different from "flip-flopping" or "Camp Weathervaning" because. ... Bernie?

That's funny.

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
8. I agree. Who in Obama's own party would be more important
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:10 PM
Jan 2016

than the eventual Democratic nominee, whoever that turns out to be?

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
12. Doesn't seem his style. Maybe a little tweek.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jan 2016

Or a nudge. I don't think PBO has a real problem with SBS. Apart from the "primary him" crap back in '11.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
15. He should have a problem with SBS.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jan 2016

Seriously, he'd be nuts not to. Bill too. Sanders has been trashing both of them for as long as he's been in office.

Paulie

(8,462 posts)
43. Didn't realize Bernie was so much the time traveler
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jan 2016

That he went forward in time to learn to be be against them when he started in politics.

Perhaps Bernie has done it again and has seen his inaugural...

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
22. I wonder why he said he won't campaign for these people, even if they're Democrats?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jan 2016

Wasn't he trying to give them fair warning, and to influence their positions?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
27. You do realize he campaigns for a *lot* of Dems?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jan 2016

Including ones in red states who might not be forward-thinking on gun issues?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
35. You're making the common mistake of assuming honest intentions from the OP.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:34 PM
Jan 2016

It's happened to the best of us. This is just another attempt to manufacture something to be outraged about

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
34. I don't think gun control was ever his issue but circumstances have forced him to take it seriously.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jan 2016

But it was probably the DNC data breach and lawsuit that did it. It's really getting ridiculous and every now and then Barack steps up and does what needs to be done.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
36. Most of the editorial was great.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:36 PM
Jan 2016

But the President will be banned from DU of he recommends not voting for Democrats. And that would be sad.

JudyM

(29,225 posts)
39. He's just not going to throw his support behind any that don't assume his position, apparently.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:37 PM
Jan 2016

I appreciate his bringing his endorsement to bear but it's more important to have congress and then get the gun votes, as opposed to be selectively supportive which could make the difference in our winning some seats, I would expect.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
41. The President's endorsement
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jan 2016

would give coattails to one who had none. Likewise, it would put another row of stitching into the coattails of one who has already demonstrated them. Say, by 2-1 support among Democrats nationally, or endorsements of fellow Democrtic leaders by 2-several hundred.

Not naming names, you understand. Just saying. 

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
44. I don't think his intent was to call him out personally ...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jan 2016

but Sanders was wrong on this issue. Period.

Spin it however you want (and the spin in this thread is hilarious), but it's the truth.

Gun manufacturers ability to dodge liability outweighs dead children for some folks.

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