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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:27 AM Jan 2016

Sources matter: Trump's analytics company released the poll showing 20% of Dems would vote for him

From here:

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2016-01-08/new-poll-shows-donald-trump-is-a-real-threat-to-hillary-clinton

20% of Dems would vote for Trump over Clinton! Wow! Why isn't this poll being trumpeted anywhere but an opinion piece on US News? That would be because of who the numbers come from.

Mercury Analytics was hired by Trump to gauge feedback on the resonance of his first campaign ad. They are working for Trump. Trump. In fact the CEO of Mercury Analytics, Ron Howard, is an admitted long time friend of Trump:
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"The media’s ability to influence is undeniable," says Ron Howard, a Washington-based CEO of Mercury Analytics, an online polling and research firm.

Howard is a longtime friend and conceded that while, yes, the influence is obvious, "there are some issues or topics that are easier to ignite than they are to suppress, or vice-a-versa – the fact that they could make Trump larger than life does not mean that they can as easily bring him down."

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Quote from an article titled " Trump Survives Media Bashing "
http://www.poynter.org/2015/media-clout-overstated-as-it-bashes-trump-he-clearly-survives/364607/

Please don't be a person who is going to claim the sky is falling by buying into a Trump campaign message disguised as a poll. We're better than that.

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Sources matter: Trump's analytics company released the poll showing 20% of Dems would vote for him (Original Post) Godhumor Jan 2016 OP
The sourcing of this data is indeed important Gothmog Jan 2016 #1
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2016 #2
And... OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #3
Happy to rec this. bvf Jan 2016 #4
As far as I can tell nothing much has changed since Christmas. ucrdem Jan 2016 #5
Bullshit world wide wally Jan 2016 #6
Care to expand on that thought Godhumor Jan 2016 #11
I wouldn't believe Trump if he even told the truth for once world wide wally Jan 2016 #13
lol, I can see that *in the republican primary* to ensure the big old republican titanic sets sail Sunlei Jan 2016 #7
Yeah, but 27% of the country is just flat nuts... Fumesucker Jan 2016 #8
And **FOX NEWS** says Sanders is up 13 pts in NH. baldguy Jan 2016 #9
I figured as much. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #10
This the season of Atwater like campaigning. I have no sufrommich Jan 2016 #12
Plus, Hillary actually WON that poll. pamela Jan 2016 #14
Good to know, thanks. nt. Mc Mike Jan 2016 #15
Right, triple checking sources may prevent future embarrassment. Alfresco Jan 2016 #16
This needs to be a sticky post. Alfresco Jan 2016 #17
Damn Straight Sources Matter.. to people who want to live in reality. Reeks of romney. Cha Jan 2016 #18
There are now THREE threads active on this "poll". Come on people n/t Godhumor Jan 2016 #19
kick Alfresco Jan 2016 #20

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
5. As far as I can tell nothing much has changed since Christmas.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:20 AM
Jan 2016

Apart from creative skewing of more or less meaningless polling that is, like how Bernie does against Marco in NH. Real relevant.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
11. Care to expand on that thought
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jan 2016

I'm pretty sure people should be critical of a firm that says Trump is doing well that are also working for Trump. But hey, I may be funny that way.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. Yeah, but 27% of the country is just flat nuts...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:42 AM
Jan 2016
http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html

John: Hey, Bush is now at 37% approval. I feel much less like Kevin McCarthy screaming in traffic. But I wonder what his base is --

Tyrone: 27%.

John: ... you said that immmediately, and with some authority.

Tyrone: Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.

John: Objectively crazy or crazy vis-a-vis my own inertial reference frame for rational behaviour? I mean, are you creating the Theory of Special Crazification or General Crazification?

Tyrone: Hadn't thought about it. Let's split the difference. Half just have worldviews which lead them to disagree with what you consider rationality even though they arrive at their positions through rational means, and the other half are the core of the Crazification -- either genuinely crazy; or so woefully misinformed about how the world works, the bases for their decision making is so flawed they may as well be crazy.
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
9. And **FOX NEWS** says Sanders is up 13 pts in NH.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 07:23 AM
Jan 2016

The RW sure doesn't want to have their boy face Clinton in the Fall.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
14. Plus, Hillary actually WON that poll.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jan 2016

They buried that little factoid.

http://www.mercuryanalytics.com/hillary-clinton-vs-trump-a-tough-battle/

The results show, that if the election were held today, between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton has the edge, but would be facing a very tough competitor.
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