Feel the bern.. ah no thanks...

[boston bean]

1) Up to 20% of berners will vote for Trump if Hillary is the nominee.
2) Making Planned Parenthood feel the bern for endorsing Hillary. They will teach them a lesson no matter how their actions hurt those they say they care about. Bern Baby!
3) Jane Goodall, felt the bern for just having met Hillary Clinton
4) Many unions who support democratic causes have felt the bern after endorsing Hillary
5) BLM really felt the bern after a small protest at netroots

I know there are more.... but cant' keep memory of all those who have felt the bern.

I'm beginning to think it's more like feel the scorn at any cost.

Weird if you ask me...

[leftofcool]

1. Add John Lewis who called a "turd wayer" by feel the bern.

Also add Howard Dean.

[Number23]

83. I was just about to add the attacks on John Lewis for endorsing Hillary

where he was called an actual "sell out" by people who would have peed their pants and become catatonic if they'd had to confront 1/1000th of the shit that man has had to endure in his life.

The sliming of Hillary's Facebook page after the Sanders campaign data theft came to light was another stellar moment.

[dlwickham]

103. people had the nerve to call John Lewis a sell-out

just when you think you've heard it all

what utter fucksticks

[RobertEarl]

106. We need a revolution

Sticking with Clinton is just more of the same.

John is kinda stuck. If he favored Bernie the backflash from the established Dems would be tremendous. He has no choice but to make it look like he's for Bill.

[Number23]

107. And even more hilariously, an equally clueless group has tried to allege that he's a "coward"

with comments about how he "had" to support Clinton because... reasons. Some are even trying to do it in this very thread... ((looking directly above my comment))

Anyone that has seen his incredibly heartfelt endorsement knows how dishonest and completely untrue that tactic is.

[Sheepshank]

108. Seems like there were those that questioned Lewis' civil rights creds nt

[dlwickham]

113. Pretty much

[Skidmore]

2. K&R Absolutely!

Who can you trust when times get rough? I don't feel confidence that this is a candidate who will insist that his followers treat others with kindness or dignity. Feeling the bern is not a positive progressive movement at all. It is willing to leave people behind.

[Armstead]

97. Unlike the saintly Clinton supporters?

Umpghyeagh

[cali]

3. Oh bullshit.

[Cary]

20. Why?

It's a good point and makes me wonder, especially given the treatment I've gotten here. And I have not even said a negative word about Bernie

I have to wonder why that is. It's a very good question and your substance free reaction is interesting too.

[JonLeibowitz]

76. Your treatment of others included implications as to Warren's mental sanity.

Just so we're clear about what negative things you have said.

[Bubzer]

64. Yup. They make shit up at any cost.

[sufrommich]

4. Ann Richards must be spinning in her grave

at the shit being casually tossed at her daughter and granddaughter. Makes me ill.

[notadmblnd]

58. I keep seeing you mentioning it, but where exactly is the "shit?"

I haven't seen it.

Now I have to admit, I'm not here all day every day- I suppose it's a flaw in my Sander's supporting character. So could you please post a couple of links where I can see all this disgusting shit that is being casually tossed and making you physically ill?

[Hekate]

94. Look up "kid pro quo" for starters. Catchy phrase for a 3rd generation female Texas Dem activist...

...who is highly qualified and has been hired by the Clinton campaign.

Then read through the lovely contributions from Bernie's cohort (or so they say they are) in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=988225

and here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=987620

and here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=986450

There has been some suggestion at DU that people should donate to abortion providers instead of PP. Abortion is about 3% of what PP provides. When asked where women would go for Pap smears, breast cancer screening, mammograms, and contraceptive education and services, there is no answer -- Could that be because some people who say they are Dems have bought into the RW lie that PP is an abortion mill?

But I digress.

Here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251988874

Be sure to look for the Bernie avatars in those threads and read what they are saying. I can count only 4 DU Bernie supporters who are speaking out against the trashing of Planned Parenthood by DU's Bernie community.

On edit: Another one
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=986657

[Cassiopeia]

5. Your scorn towards Bernie and his Democratic supporters is duly noted.

Thank you for making it absolutely clear.

[djean111]

6. Yep. I guess we are in for daily reminders. :-)

Go Bernie!

[Bubzer]

67. This just in (again), Boston Bean bemoans Bernistas. Film at 11.

[unc70]

9. That 20% number is "suspect"

You might want to check the who and how of that poll. After all the inflamed rhetoric yesterday, a thread last night took a close look at the "poll" itself. You should take a look, too.

[Cassiopeia]

12. Not sure your reply was intended for me

but I agree, I think that 20% number is suspect.

In fact, I find most of this post suspect, other than the shielded 'I am scornful of Bernie supporters' part.

[unc70]

15. Reply meant for OP

I agree that almost all of this is suspect.

[still_one]

7. The implication by Susan Sarandon, and some others who have been implying that the only reason

a woman would vote for Hillary is because of her gender.

ummm, not really

[m-lekktor]

10. I have seen some women claim that is the reason they are voting for her. nt

[haikugal]

78. I've seen other women claim that if you don't vote for Hillary you aren't a feminist... nt

[Duckhunter935]

29. did she say all woman

I have seen some say that exact thing, but of course not all of them.

[Gary 50]

47. My neice is one of those who will vote for Hillary based on her sex.

If you asked her which position she preferred on just about anything, without attributing that position to Hillary or Bernie, she would choose Bernie's position. She knows that Hillary is compromised by her connection to wall street. She knows the "turd" way has been catastrophe for our party and country. She know there is NO hope of change if Hillary is elected, though I'm sure she wouldn't admit it. She just wants a woman president. I will support whoever gets the Dem nomination but if I have to vote for Hillary I will literally hold my nose when pulling the lever. As I tell my niece (and she gets angry) I will vote for Hillary over any other Republican.

[Lokijohn]

33. You're absolutely right

There are some women who would benefit greatly from Hillary maintaining the corrupt status quo. Not many in the 99%, but some. Go Bernie!

[shanti]

110. my mother certainly is

she's 83 and has repeatedly told me that she wants to see a woman president before she dies. i'm sure she's not the only one.

[m-lekktor]

8. You obviously didn't read Godhumor's thread critical of the polling company

that came up with this result!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251986387

[baldguy]

86. Same people who are saying Sanders is leading Clinton in NH by 18%?

The same poll being trumpeted by Sanders' supporters?

[babylonsister]

11. Who has pledged their allegiance to tRump if

Bernie doesn't win the primary? I'd truly like to know. Someone/anyone on DU?

[MrChuck]

14. I believe that figure.

I think it represents Sanders crossover appeal to right leaning independents and moderate republicans.
There is a percentage of Hillary voters who would vote for a non-democrat as well. There are people who worship crystals. There are people who strip naked and bark at the moon.
What's the point?
I'll hold my nose if Hillary gets the nom and vote against Republicans, but my heart won't be in it like it will be if Sanders gets the nod. Plain and simple, I want the wheels to turn faster on progress and Sanders' policies will do that.

[freedom fighter jh]

30. A couple of people that I talked to.

people who aren't usually political enough to be either Democratic or Republican, told me they'd vote for either Bernie or Trump. Sounds like they're looking for a change.

[cascadiance]

31. I've noted on occasion that many Republicans who support Trump might support Bernie...

... more so than they might switch from Trump to Hillary, because of Trump's campaign's efforts to try and sound more populist on issues such as being against the TPP and H-1B visas because both of these programs working against the American middle class by outsourcing their jobs more, which has an audience in both parties as well as other independents.

Now some might extrapolate that someone like me might support Trump over Hillary by saying that, but I say hell no. There's no way I'd ever support Trump over any Democrat, as many concerns as I might have about Hillary's concerns for things like wealth inequality and our jobs over her supporting what big money campaign contributors want her to support.

I say things like the above to note that candidates like Trump, and even Cruz, who's tried to get more populist by switching from supporting H-1B visa quota expansion to recent efforts to support bills that want to control it more (and being called out by far more purist corporatist crony Marco Rubio out for being a hypocrite in this), are feeling the pressure for the need to be more populist in their message even to their Republican base too.

Now Trump tries to be "populist" by also appealing to the xenophobic side of their base, which, in addition to him being part of the 1% class himself and strongly likely being a liar in claiming to be for these more populist issues (as Bernie noted on his mixed messages on supporting/not supporting a higher minimum wage). That doesn't mean just because we want someone more populist like Bernie is, that we'll drink that Trump koolaid and vote for him if Hillary gets nominated. It would just mean that Americans in general would have their choices severely limited as has been in the past to get the populist changes that this country absolutely needs now when it is on the precipice in so many places like the economy, global climate change, etc.

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. I wouldn't vote for tRump if he were the only one running.

Go Bernie!

[FarPoint]

13. Excellent OP...

It feels good to read a smart, intellectual OP once again.

[aikoaiko]

16. So you're criticizing Bernie supporters for criticizing HRC supporters?

Its almost like you think its OK for you to do so, but not others.

[Cary]

23. So you find "the bern" troubling too?

Why would Democrats retaliate against fellow Democrats this way?

[Alfresco]

17. Not one peep out of the Sanders campaign condemning this behavior.

[RiverLover]

18. Maybe because these orgs/people are supporting a conservative, corporate-purchased candidate?

Just maybe? Ya think?

[Alfresco]

19. Scornful bullying behavior should not be accepted regardless.

[Bubzer]

75. I await your condemnation of Boston Bean...

[Cary]

25. Huh?

You need to do some soul searching on this one.

[leftofcool]

55. And there won't be. He obviously doesn't condemn it.

[Cary]

21. Outstanding post

I never thought of it that way. Thanks.

[concreteblue]

22. Excellenminimizing the real concerns at the root

of the incidents you point to. Their are real issues here. How much like a Clintonista to ignore them in a lame attempt to shame Senator Sander's supporters.
THe desperation is dripping from nearly every post. A good sign.

[Martin Eden]

24. The OP is not about Bernie Sanders, or anything he has said or done

It's just more sniping between supporters of the two frontrunners, and there's plenty of that to go around both ways.

I suspect that 20% number is utter nonsense. Who on the Left will vote for Trump?

[Cary]

26. It isn't about Bernie Sanders

It is about Bernie Sanders supporters.

[Martin Eden]

27. Like I said, sniping between supporters

Has zero zilch nada to do with any reason to vote or not vote for either candidate.

And I don't believe 2% let alone 20% of Bernie supporters on the Left would vote for Trump if Hillary is the Dem nominee. If that number has any validity whatsoever it's indicative of crossover voters who wouldn't consider voting Dem if not for Bernie.

[Cary]

32. Where is it written that it has to be about voting?

The behavior is malicious. Calling it out isn't sniping. The behavior deserves to be called out.

Why are you running flack?

[Martin Eden]

35. "running flack"

Not sure what that's supposed to mean. I thought the OP was over the top -- about the 20%, and also about using the phrase "Feel the Bern" which is a feeling derived from what Bernie Sanders says and does and stands for -- not derived from his supporters.

The incessant sniping has no value, which means I'm wasting my time posting in this thread.

Have a nice day.

[Cary]

37. You can quibble with the 20% but you're still being an apologist.

The opening post is about malicious retaliation. You don't address that and you deflect.

[cannondale]

57. Exactly ZERO Bernie supporters will vote for Trump in my circles

20% is total BS. More like 0.1%. I'd be happy to vote for Clinton if she gets the nod.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

28. Things not going to plan for Hillary in Iowa?

[SoapBox]

41. ...going down the toilet is where those plans are going!

2008 all over again for the Annointed One.

[virtualobserver]

34. recycling that list of invented and imaginary grievances, I see....

come on.....festivus is over.

[Cary]

38. Looks real enough to me

So you agree the retaliation is malicious.

[virtualobserver]

71. just another made up pile of fluffy nonsense

The attack on Bernie supporters is the only malicious element here.

[Politicub]

36. I'm disgusted by the attacked on PP by seeming "progressives"

I'm with you, OP. If that's feeling the bern, I want no part of it.

Today is the first day I've felt angry about the Bernie Sanders garbage on DU. Until now, it's been more annoying than anything. But to attack an organization like PP that is already under attack by the right is beyond the pale. And to be so callous as to withhold donations because you don't agree with their endorsement ignores the critical health care services that PP offers to women and men.

If this post gets hidden, it's not because I'm attacking Sanders. It's because I'm stating my opinion, and it will be unacceptable to a subset of members.

Some Sanders supporters talk about holding their nose to vote for Hillary if she's the nominee. I'll go one further. If Sanders is the nominee, I'll vote for him. But I'll take a bucket with me to the polls. I'll need to vomit afterward.

[Bobbie Jo]

42. Well said. nt

[Betty Karlson]

56. And many more are disgusted by the elitist endorsement made by PP.

That was a serious error of judgement on their part.

[SoapBox]

39. "1) Up to 20% of berners will vote for Trump if Hillary is the nominee."

Gee...I missed that one!

A new meme?

[one_voice]

84. This OP was posted last...

night..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251985913 maybe that's what it's in reference to.

I called bullshit on it and it turns out it was bullshit..but that wasn't posted until this morning.

[NRaleighLiberal]

40. yes, weird, looking at the rec list

[Truprogressive85]

44. Question

Do HRC supporters on DU really care about BLM ??

Example: BLM want Ramh to step down

Why I have not seen the vocal HRC supporters on DU advocate the same thing or it does not fit the agenda?

[stevenleser]

87. The equivalent would be if HRC attacked BLM over something they disagree with.

Your example fails.

[Truprogressive85]

93. well

@deray
I don't want to hear a Bill Clinton speech. I want Hillary Clinton to take actual stances re: criminal justice and race. Save the speech.



Now as for my feelings as a black person :Young black men and women are out in the streets demanding for action be taken , yet HRC supporters on DU are silent on the corrupted Mayor Emmanuel who help suppress a video in order to save his political career

I will not support anyone who is not truly committed to criminal justice reform/prison reform.
A coward waits for the the prevailing winds to blow call out the corrupt politicians


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[840high]

105. Thank you.

[Gene Debs]

45. While all of these bullet points are equally meaningless,

I'm especially curious as to which butt that "20% of berners will vote for Trump if Hillary is the nominee" figure was pulled out of.

[JHB]

62. The YOOOJ one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251986387

[LexVegas]

46. Its disgusting. nt

[Iggo]

48. Twenty percent, eh?

Is that equal to, less than, or greater than the number of Clinton voters who went PUMA in 2008?

[wildeyed]

102. Statistically,

educated whites turned out big for Obama, right? Particulary women. Can't say there were not a few holdouts, but it appears that most voted for the Dem.

[BooScout]

49. You make many excellent points!

[NurseJackie]

50. The Jane Goodall thing just astounds me.

[Bobbie Jo]

51. John Lewis got "the treatment" as well

on his FB page.

Disgraceful.

[leftofcool]

59. It was horrible and disgusting.

[NurseJackie]

74. I have to chuckle whenever I read others claiming that "Hillary-Hate" doesn't exist ...

... and that it's merely "trust issues" or "preferring one candidate over another". Hogwash! I think the type of behavior we're witnessing recently shows that the hate actually does exist.

Frankly, I doubt this behavior does their candidate any good. So, there's that at least.

Although it's an horrible and disgusting display (she didn't deserve such treatment), I guess it occupies their time and keeps them "from running wild on the streets" as my dear mother would say.

[Little Star]

82. +1

[Armstead]

100. I love this feigned gentility

Oh those hordes of awful ruffians who support Sanders. Please fetch my faintung coach. I feel a spell coming on.

[lark]

52. Ah, but none of this came from Bernie, now did it?

I agree that some Bernie supporters seem plain crazy and I wonder if those are the ones who are trolls? Just like some of the Hillary supporters. I love Planned Parenthood, my best friend works for Richards so I have inside knowledge of how good they truly are. Also when I was young (19) and sexually active, Planned Parenthood was the only place that I could go for birth control (I'm in my early 60's now).

IMO true progressives vote for Bernie in the primary, but if Hillary becomes the nominee will support her and vote for her over the eventual RW crazy nominee. If anyone would vote for Trump, they aren't progressive just crazy and bad sports. How could anyone who truly supports Bernies lofty ideals vote for the guttersnipe Trump who wants to invalidate the constitution by making religious determinations of who can enter the country and who can't? Someone who thinks American workers makes too much money is totally the opposite of Bernie. Seriously think the trolls are doing their best to turn people off to both candidates, just hoping to suppress the Dem vote.

[ejbr]

53. If you support a candidate,

you accept his/her baggage. Bernie supporters think Hillary's baggage is profound. Bernie has his gun baggage and possibly his idealism baggage; I will accept, criticize, acknowledge, and own that baggage. Do those who support Hillary accept the unnecessary deaths and waste of money in Iraq? Do they really think her accumulation of so much wealth by those who profit from our misery comes with no return in cost? Do they accept the pay-to-play scheme of the Clinton foundation even with some nefarious players? Clinton supporters claim she says things in earnest, until she "evolves".

I don't know if I will vote for her if she is the nominee, but there appear to be some supporters who think her poll numbers prove she is a better candidate for the nomination. I am left to wonder whether they are the result of ignorance, or, even worse, indifference to the aforementioned facts. I, as a Bernie supporter, don't condone any of the bullets you listed. Yet, neither can I condone Secretary Clinton's checkered past.

[Betty Karlson]

54. The elite is feeling the Bern - and dislikes it

for pretty much the same reasons ordinary citizens are enthoused when they feel the Bern.

Your rehashing of debunked attacks on Sanders smack of desperation. Maybe camp Clinton doesn't like public indignation about Planned Parenthood's massive error of judgement?

[one_voice]

85. I'm not elite..

pretty far from it in fact. I'm about as ordinary as you get. I don't know why y'all think everyone that has an issue with 'feeling the bern' is an elite or has issues with Bernie--think about that.

Before you throw it out there, I'm not camp Clinton. I'm camp O'Malley.

You can search high and low, you will not find a negative word from me about Hillary or Bernie. In fact you will find I've only posted positive threads on ALL the candidates.

[Uponthegears]

60. And your policy reasons for supporting Hillary are

. . . ?

Oh, that's right, you're too busy playing the victim (while sitting on top) to TALK ABOUT ISSUES.

[davidthegnome]

61. Hmm.

If your issue is that you are blaming his campaign for everything his supporters do, then I would humbly suggest that that is a rather odd form of logic. Bernie is responsible for his own actions - and for those of his campaign (to an extent), but he cannot control what all of his supporters think, say, or do. Neither can Clinton - and I have seen some really despicable attacks going back and forth between Clinton and Sanders supporters, which begins to tire me.

We're on the same frickin' team, people. Yes, my candidate is Sanders, for reasons I feel are pretty solid - but that doesn't mean I'm opposed to Clinton or her supporters. If she wins the nomination, she'll get my vote. I have my misgivings about her - but I have a few about Sanders, too. I had some about Obama, about Kerry, about Gore, but they got my vote because they were the nominees and the best options at the time.

I have confidence that we will defeat Trump, or who ever the republican nominee is, regardless of which of these two candidates ends up our nominee.

I do not feel that Sanders and Clinton are quite as opposed in ideal or in intention as many seem to think. Ultimately, I believe they are both good people and good candidates and I will vote for whichever one gets the nomination. Anyone who plans to vote for Trump if Clinton wins - please PM me so we can talk about why that's a terrible idea.

Frankly, if someone is going to vote for Trump if Clinton wins the nomination - then they don't understand what, or who they're voting for. I would be all too happy to enlighten.

Finally, if Sanders is attacking unions, I will denounce him loudly right along with you - but if it's a random group of his supports doing so, he is not the one responsible for it. This is the first I've heard of Jane Goodall feeling the "bern", or about Bernie somehow attacking/ignoring/insulting? BLM.

Feeling the Bern is about taking it to the corporations, the oligarchs, the rich, ignorant, cruel, greedy people in this Country who have had it their own way for far too long. I think Bernie is doing a great job of letting them "feel the bern"

[stupidicus]

63. Oh boo hoo, what's next the Clinton's have been kind to all of their political opposition?

your exaggerations notwithstanding https://www.google.com/search?q=Clinton+retaliates+political+enemies&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

you'll never have the moral high ground on this or anything else as a HC supporter

That you manage to share it on some (where her and Bernie agree) is what preserves the illusions and fosters the delusions

[BainsBane]

65. The backlash against Planned Parenthood is the last straw

and says a great deal about what this primary contest has become about.

[stevenleser]

89. That was the second to last straw for me. Last straw is Bernie not taking his supporters to task

for any of it. He's far too weak of a candidate for me if he is too scared to tell his supporters right from wrong.

Even John McCain stood up to his supporters at one point for going over the top.

[BainsBane]

104. Yes. That really is it.

[Warren DeMontague]

98. Right.

Whatever straws you had to begin with, you ran out a long time ago. Lets not kid ourselves.

[retrowire]

66. petty

attack the supporters all you want.

sorry the election isn't going the way you want it.

[Bluenorthwest]

68. Want a collection of quotes about Obama from Hillary 08 supporters? Same material they now

recycle for Bernie. Then there are the 08 Obama supporters who trashed LGBT for advocating for our own rights. You know who did not trash Obama and Bernie using the same crappy tropes? Hillary. You know who did not trash LGBT for criticizing Obama? Obama.
Anyone who allows the behavior of others to influence their choice of candidates is a stooge driven by the tides of verbiage and bullshit that fill any election cycle.
I have seen Hillary supporter KellieKat44 get PPR'd for blatant antisemitism after months of random swipes at Bernie. Should I then think of you what I think of KellieKat44, since you have a candidate in common? And should I then reject Hillary because there are KellieKat44 types in her village? That's what you suggest. That's how you say you are deciding things. And apparently you are fine with KellieKat44 and the rest of the bigots who happen to 'support Hillary' or pretend to on DU.
Double Standards make me ill.

[AgingAmerican]

69. 20% of Sanders supporters will vote Trump?

Wow, you guys really are desperate.

[Warren DeMontague]

99. ***

[William769]

70. Seems like whats being said about PP fits right in here. nt

[Starry Messenger]

72. NARAL, Samuel Jackson, Emily's list

[artislife]

73. But with hill's burn you will feel it

if you are brown and living in say...Libya it will be falling on your head.

She is the worst thing about her candidacy.

[CoffeeCat]

77. That 20 percent number makes perfect sense to me...

I've been calling Republicans and Independents in Iowa, to identify Bernie supporters.

I'm finding some and so are others.

They are an interesting breed of cat. Republicans who are supporting/leaning Bernie (and some Independents too), are thoroughly disgusted with Washington, and they are unhappy with the Republican party. They view the current Republican cast of characters as bozos (as they should). They are very anti-establishment and they are sick of being lied to.

They want an anti-establishment candidate, first and foremost. They trust Bernie, so they lean heavily or slightly toward him.

What's also a common denominator with these types is that they hate Hillary Clinton with the white-hot, burning passion of a thousand suns. They will talk your ear off about her. I could literally hear the words "Hillary Clinton" come out of their mouth, set the phone down, do a couple of loads of laundry and then pick up the phone--and they'd still be denouncing her.

I could see these types reporting that, if Bernie is not the nominee--that they would go for Trump. They are anti-establishment Republicans, disaffected Republicans and Independents.

I'm not saying that I agree with their thinking. I'm just reporting that I have experienced this type of voter and this is who they are.

[dragonfly301]

79. This seems to be

just the latest in a long string of attempts to swiftboat the Sanders campaign. First it was the "black people will never vote for him", then the "he's not strong on gay rights", "he's not strong on women's rights"... none of these were true and none stuck. The Sanders campaign just keeps rolling along. A well respected member of DKos even went as far as to suggest that Bernie wanted Nazis to join the party - Nazis! - a Jewish man who lost family in the Holocaust! And today yet another attempt - a potpourri of smears. Just how desperate is the Clinton campaign?

[Stainless]

80. The obvious question is this...........

Who will you Hillary supporters vote for in November when Bernie actually wins the Party's nomination?

[baldguy]

88. The great majority of Hillary supporters have stated unequivocly that they would support Sanders.

OTOH The great majority of Sanders supporters have stated unequivocly that they would NOT support Hillary. You see any the problem there?

Sanders has been openly courting Trump supporters, because he obviously sees some crossover there. Is it unreasonable to believe that this crossover would work the other way & have Bernie supporters vote for Trump?

No. it is not.

[stevenleser]

90. Absolutely. I would pull the lever for Bernie. But I would spend my time trying to save downballot

Democrats who will be at great risk from the landslide loss that Bernie would suffer.

[baldguy]

91. And if Bernie isn't the nominee, his supporters would allow those Dems to lose.

They're not even thinking about the downballot races - or what effect losing them would have.

They're hostile to the very idea of a party organization centered on getting Dems elected.

[Hekate]

95. Right. I find that mindset and hostility to the Party to be astonishing.

[Kentonio]

109. The great majority of Sanders supporters have stated no such thing

Please knock it off with the exaggeration.

[wildeyed]

101. Absolutely and unequivocally.

If Sanders is the nominee, I will vote, canvass and donate. I will take a real fucking bullet for him if necessary, if he is the only person between the GOP and the presidency.

Clinton is not the enemy and neither is Sanders. The GOP and our stupid circular firing squads are.

[comradebillyboy]

81. excellent post, thank you...

[DCBob]

92. Most good Democrats, unions and liberal orgs have already been thrown under the Bernie bus.

Clearly they are running out of space under there.

[Armstead]

96. And you wouldn't describe this OP as scorn?

[Fawke Em]

111. None of it is as bad as stiffing families to run off to richer pastures to raise money.

Like Hillary does over and over and over again.

In fact, most of your list are a collection of memes that really don't have a bearing on anything.

1. So what? There are a lot of voters who are middle-dwellers. 20 percent sounds about right.
2. PP forced their own error. There was no need to endorse until a Democratic nominee was decided. They played politics with poor women's lives. Didn't Susan G. Komen teach them anything?
3. Maybe 1 percent of voters even know that story.
4. Maybe these unions should poll their membership instead of making top-down decisions to avoid that problem.
5. I'd rather have some angry social mediates than be lectured to by Hillary Clinton about my positions while she's pointing in my face and yammering about only talking to white people.

You know what's weird? Being an average-earning Democrat and supporting that corporate-owned war hawk, Clinton.

[Vinca]

112. A wise Hillary supporter would court Bernie supporters, not piss them off.

You know that 20%? If she doesn't get it, she doesn't win.