2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumABC: Bernie Sanders' Popularity Making Hillary Clinton Campaign 'Nervous'
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-popularity-making-hillary-clinton-campaign-nervous/story?id=36187078But the Sanders campaign has taken it as a sign of worries.
"See the new Fox poll that had Bernie up a lot in New Hampshire? No wonder they're in attack mode," Sanders communications director Michael Briggs said in a statement. "Secretary Clinton and her team are getting nervous and nasty because the so-called inevitable nominee anointed by the establishment eight months ago doesn't look so inevitable anymore."
More at the link . . .
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-popularity-making-hillary-clinton-campaign-nervous/story?id=36187078
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)popularity of Sen Sanders. But I think they are in denial about a lot of things. Like if you support the wealthy 1% and think that they might give us some cake (maybe some social justice gains). The greed of the wealthy have stripped the lower 99% of much of our wealth and resources and yet some want to let them continue.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)had a great visit during the holidays - could not convert her to the Sanders team
She made it clear that they are worried and knew that they had to work very hard to win
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,328 posts)Thanks for the thread, pa.
demwing
(16,916 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(45,012 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(45,012 posts)"...the so-called inevitable nominee anointed the establishment eight months ago doesn't look so inevitable anymore."
Bernie is going to win.
America loves the underdog. Especially the one fighting the oligarchy.
Will Wall Street like Bernie Sanders as President. Bernie answers... No!
No one else speaks truth to power.
pa28
(6,145 posts)The establishment candidates first thought Jeremy Corbyn was a joke with no possibility of winning, then they called him an extremist out of touch old socialist, and smeared him with outlandish charges with the help of a compliant media. Sound familiar?
He wound up winning the actual referendum by a landslide despite conventional wisdom and best efforts of party elites.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)"He wound up winning the actual referendum by a landslide despite the conventional wisdom and best efforts of party elites."
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)some time. One reason for them to get the support
from unions and other organizations early, which normally
have waited for the nomination before their endorsements.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)as it is the only one that would explain all the political miscalculations going on since Thanksgiving.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Not necessarily the general membership of those unions.
Speaking for my union where the executive board in Washington endorsed Hillary I can guarantee you the local members overwhelmingly support Bernie Sanders.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)" One reason for them to get the support
from unions and other organizations early"
I'd write that: One reason for them to get the support of union LEADERS and other organization's REPRESENTATIVES early on. And the REASON this happened was because the DNC told these organizations that "the fix was in" for the chosen one. And as a consequence, she'd look unbeatable from any angle. That's what happens when you take the people for granted.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)Like millennials who can't be polled in the old 1980's polling methodolgy that is still being used today for Hillary. Millennials will show up and win this for Bernie. And the HRC camp knows this.
appalachiablue
(41,113 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)If she does it is because she is nervous.
Or maybe just maybe she is, you know, campaigning.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)It's that she's started calling out Bernie by name and has really gone after him this week. This is in stark contrast to her older strategy of basically ignoring him, and it comes at a time when polls are tightening in the first two states and Bernie is creeping up nationally.
Laser102
(816 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)"In addition, the Clinton campaign has launched Bill Clinton out on the trail this week. On Wednesday, he's expected to go back to New Hampshire where he'll be holding campaign events exclusively near the Vermont border - a part of the state where Sanders signs are very prevalent."
I have been wondering if Bill wasn't out on the trail because of Bernie, not Trump.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)"There's a situation developing in Iowa and New Hampshire that could change the course of this election," Mook wrote in the e-mail, noting that Sanders' campaign is outspending Clinton in TV ads in the two early states.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)The polling in Iowa shows the race tightening dramatically (all polls except robo-call polls):
And New Hampshire looks even better (again, all polls except robo-call polls):
pa28
(6,145 posts)And by "concern" I mean outright nastiness. At least here at DU.
When I happened to notice the divisive attacks appealing to race and sex in GD P earlier in the week I suspected Bernie might have some favorable polling numbers coming out. The two things go hand in hand so often.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Huge difference between "customized" and reality.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And the fact that it ain't February yet, it still looks pretty good to me. Thanks for posting.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Better round up some big money!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Dirty tricks may be in order.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)In an Obamalike way... Remember the IPOD giveaways to the kids bussed in from ChiTown in 2008? CHEATING SHOULD BE ANTICIPATED AND EXPECTED BY THE Clinton Incorporated Team!!!! We need some burly pipe fitters there to prevent a theft of Democracy... by anyone, however my most acute concern is with The Establishment "Annointee!"
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)From the link:
"Asked about whether their increased engagement with Sanders is a sign they're concerned about Sanders, Clinton campaign spokesman Brian Fallon said: "Republicans are trying to rip away the progress we have made on issue after issue, and we are making clear that Hillary Clinton is the best candidate to take them on and get things done."
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)At this point in the PRIMARY they are concerned with republicans? Who's shitting who?
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)You feel like your face is being pushed thru mush.
You know, I get tons of emails from all kinds of Dem candidates wanting money, and my favorite are surveys where they try and set an innocuous agenda palatable to Wall Street but that still looks progressive, and allow you to pick ONE of them. Then, the one that voters pick the most becomes that politician's 'priority' that s/he supposedly works on.
That is just one of the ways the establishing is still trying to control the message.
But they don't control the message. We do.
George II
(67,782 posts)Sanders' campaign is speculating that they're nervous, and then proceeds to go on the attack. And he doesn't specify either how the Clinton campaign is in attack mode or how they're getting nasty.
My suspicion is that the Sanders campaign is getting nervous because Clinton has closed the gap in New Hampshire and is now in a statistical dead heat.
Autumn
(45,012 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)"There's a situation developing in Iowa and New Hampshire that could change the course of this election," Mook wrote in the e-mail, noting that Sanders' campaign is outspending Clinton in TV ads in the two early states.
The speculation comes in when Bernie's spox connects divisive attacks from the Clinton campaign to good polling numbers for Bernie Sanders. I can't really say that I blame him because I've noticed those two things are often associated.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Do you want a living wage?
Do you disagree with the Iraq War vote?
Do you think corporate money should have a zero influence on our elections?
Do you really think it is ridiculous to pay bribes by paying hundreds of thousands of dollars a pop for a speech?
The "we have to elect her because she is the only one who can win" argument is dead. Why would you support someone like her when we have the opportunity for someone like Bernie Sanders?
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)and the famous weather vane would be gone with the wind....
quoddy woman
(38 posts)The red triangle used to mean small craft warnings. Growing up on the coast of Maine I thought it meant nice day. They don't fly it anymore. Has the meaning changed too?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)He came back to win the nomination and the GE against an incumbent, his name is Bill Clinton.there are going to be more than two states participating in primary elections, Hillary will be the nominee.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)date that Hillary will be going to the debates on her financial plan by saying to the Republican, "Cut that out," after he signed off on our pensions, mortgages, 401-Ks and taxpayer money in the US Treasury, in 1998.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Not have prevented the financial crisis of 2008 and with the passage of CFMA which helped create the financial crisis.
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)and went to work as a lobbyist for a bank?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Dodd Frank was passed in July 2010, Sanders was at a lobbyists meeting in February 2010 which included bank lobbyists.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)You realize that a President CAN veto a bill with a veto-proof majority, and work to keep Congress from overriding it?
Excuses, excuses.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Sanders is running.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)I remember the fight.
They sold it as a modern convenience. One stop shopping for Banking, investments and insurance. All of that was kept separate for a reason, and it worked. It STILL would work.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)We have experienced a crisis, know Glass Stegall was not enough, we need to enhance Dodd Frank which is not seventy years old and work forward.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Bernie could have a respectable showing if he keeps Jeff Weaver out of it.
Gore1FL
(21,116 posts)The interesting thing in these things is momentum, firewalls, and how events are reacted to, what the media focuses on. what social media does, etc.
She and her 2016 campaign has learned from the 2008 run. The questions I have are "how much?" and "what?"
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Hopefully it will be clear that the public has an appetite for coverage of the Sanders campaign.
pa28
(6,145 posts)They can't continue pretending Hillary is running unopposed in the face of current polling.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)The news has a mercenary sensibility when it comes to coverage.
*or "click bait worthy", depending on the medium.
bobGandolf
(871 posts)They should make her nervous. The question now is, "Why has the Clinton camp decided to let that information slip out to the public?"
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Or something.
Gawdless Pinko Lib
(75 posts)Sorry to say, but Hillary seems every bit as complacent about the nomination as she was 8 years ago.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)they really aren't running a primary--they just expected a Bill Bradley or maybe even a Biden, not someone who cuts right to all the tangled issues we face today
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)OH mon dieu
pa28
(6,145 posts)In all honesty that letter was just about fundraising but I think we all know now that it's a real fight. Nobody is inevitable and I suspect Mook is seeing this when he looks in the mirror.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)"Did you get my e-mail from that "glitch"?
Never have been approached again.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)I get bunch of HRC email not sure why
But thwy end up in my spam box lol
brooklynite
(94,452 posts)A bit of hyperbole in a fundraising level. Because that NEVER happens...
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Gotta get that average donation low!
weknowvino2
(62 posts)I wrote back that every time I get asked for $$ from them, I will donate $10.00 to Bernie.
Guess What? They mysteriously stopped contacting me!
YOW!
Poor HRC. Must be experiencing deja vu.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)and fairly rapidly climbing.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)abakan
(1,818 posts)Mrs. Clinton has been here before. She was the anointed one in 2012, and oops, the upstart Obama took it away from her.
She must want it badly to go through this again.
brooklynite
(94,452 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Says it all.
Feel the Bern.