White man pathology: inside the fandom of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump

[BooScout]

This is a long read, but an incredible insight on some home truths.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/10/white-man-pathology-bernie-sanders-donald-trump

White man pathology: inside the fandom of Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump

The border
You feel your whiteness properly at the American border. Most of the time being white is an absence of problems. The police don’t bother you so you don’t notice the police not bothering you. You get the job so you don’t notice not getting it. Your children are not confused with criminals. I live in downtown Toronto, in one of the most liberal neighborhoods in one of the most open cities in the world, where multiculturalism is the dominant civic value and the inert virtue of tolerance is the most prominent inheritance of the British empire, so if you squint you can pretend the ancient categories are dissipating into a haze of enlightenment and intermarriage.

Not at the border.

My son’s Guyanese-Canadian teacher and the Muslim Milton scholar I went to high school with and the Sikh writer I squabble about Harold Innis with and my Ishmaeli accountant, we can all be good little Torontonians of the middle class, deflecting the differences we have been trained to respect. But in a car in the carbon monoxide-infused queue waiting to enter Detroit, their beings diverge drastically from mine.

I am white. They are not. They are vulnerable. I am not.

Here’s the thing: I like the guards at the American border. They’re always friendly with me, decent, even enjoyable company. At the booth in between the never-was of Windsor and the has-been of Detroit, the officer I happened to draw had a gruff belly and the mysterious air of intentional inscrutability, like a troll under a bridge in a fairy tale.

“Where are you headed?” he asked.

“Burlington, Iowa.”

(more) http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/10/white-man-pathology-bernie-sanders-donald-trump

[Alfresco]

1. I read it earlier this am, you're right a very good read.

[reformist2]

21. Sounds like Bernie could close the gender gap! And women won't vote for Trump, so....

...it seems like kind of a big deal.

[Kelvin Mace]

77. I've seen polls showing that it depends on the age group

Under 45 is shifting to Bernie in droves.

It will all come down to turnout. If young women turn out, it could make a big difference.

Just my opinion, YMMV.

[leftofcool]

2. Excellent read about angry white voters.

[Uncle Joe]

3. I almost posted this in Good Reads.

For people who love to dwell in contradictions, the US is the greatest country in the world: the land of the free built on slavery, the country of law and order where everyone is entitled to a gun, a place of unimpeded progress where they cling to backwardness out of sheer stubbornness. And into this glorious morass, a new contradiction has recently announced itself: the white people, the privileged Americans, the ones who had the least to fear from the powers that be, the ones with the surest paths to brighter futures, the ones who are by every metric one of the most fortunate groups in the history of the world, were starting to dying off in shocking numbers.

The Case and Deaton report, Rising Morbidity and Mortality in Midlife among White Non-Hispanic Americans in the 21st Century, describes an increased death rate for middle-aged American whites “comparable to lives lost in the US Aids epidemic”. This spike in mortality is unique to white Americans – not to be found among other ethnic groups in the United States or any other white population in the developed world, a mysterious plague of despair.

In one way, it was easy to account for all this white American death – “drug and alcohol poisoning, suicide, and chronic liver diseases and cirrhosis” according to the report. It was not so easy to account for the accounting. Why were middle-aged white Americans drinking and drugging and shooting themselves to death? The explanations on offer were pre-prepared, fully plugged into confirmation bias: it was the economy or it was demography or it was godlessness or it was religion or it was the breakdown of the family or it was the persistence of antique values or it was the lack of social programs or it was the dependence on social programs.

Case and Deaton call it “an epidemic of pain”. Fine. What does that mean?

On the I-94, you do find yourself asking: what the fuck is wrong with these people? I mean, aside from the rapid decline of the middle class obviously. And the rise of precarious work and the fact that the basic way of life requires so much sedation that nearly a quarter of all Americans are on psychiatric drugs, and somewhere between 26.4 and 36 million Americans abuse opioids every day. Oh yes, and the mass shootings. There was more than one mass shooting a day. And the white terrorists targeting black churches again. And the regularly released videos showing the police assassinating black people. And the police in question never being indicted, let alone being sent to jail.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/10/white-man-pathology-bernie-sanders-donald-trump

Thanks for the thread, BooScout.

[BooScout]

10. I almost posted it there as well....

But since half the article is about Sanders it fits the criteria here and gets seen by more folks.

[Uncle Joe]

12. That's not true, the vast majority of the article is about racism, the white man's privilege,

white anger, the resulting high white mortality rates as a result, a nice quote from Baldwin as to the ultimate decision that white people; will need to make in regards to black people for their own sake, the differences in culture or identity between Canada and the U.S. his trip from Canada to Iowa, a sizable portion devoted to Trump's rally and about two sentences regarding what Bernie stated.

I also agree with the poster below you cynically changed the title of the piece which wasn't necessary as a slam against Bernie, that was petty.

[BooScout]

16. I c&p'd the title of the article ....

Exactly as it appeared. The 'Donald Trump' is in small letters ABOVE the title which was in the larger letters. I suggest you also look at how it is titled in the link. The link certainly doesn't lead with 'DonaldTrump'. Splitting hairs on this one.

[Uncle Joe]

17. This is the title that I see.

"The white man pathology

On an American road trip, Stephen Marche enters the fray with Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders in Iowa and gets a view of the campaign trail from the perspective of his whiteness"

It doesn't mention "fandom." I do see Donald Trump's name first.

[BooScout]

25. Here is an explanation....

I went looking and found that the article was edited by the Guardian after I posted this thread.

An explanation and proof is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=991054

I hope this clears things up about the title.

[Agnosticsherbet]

28. It is also proven by the html link, which includes Trum and Sanders.

One wonders why they changed the title.

[BooScout]

30. I have my suspicions...

But I better not say, lol

[zazen]

4. sloppy article by guy with jargon of "cultural studies" but no grasp of it

Kneejerk parallelizing, astonishing distortion, and intellectual salad of cultural studies and internet-deep grasp of gender politics. Weird inclusions like insinuation that his wife nags him. Suggesting his hair is the same as Trump's because it "always looks the same" (as if our haircut, being the same from day to day, means it's like Trump's, because his is the same from day to day.)

Pulling out one general invocation by Sanders to people to work together and claiming his entire speech was equally vague (Sanders is usually criticized for how boring he is in his details, and Clinton is always far more vague, but who cares--speeches are always balances of specificity and generalizations.)

Claiming parity with Trump because the women at Sanders rally are like "angry white men." Why does he say this? Because apparently he wants to set up that the Sanders' rally is just the same as the Trump rally he went to.

I can't believe they published this garbage.

"Sanders’s speech was much shorter than Trump’s. There had already been the music, I guess. I had the impression, as with Trump, that I had traveled many hundreds of miles to look at a man’s hair. Bernie Sanders’s hair is as much a statement as Trump’s. It looks like the hair of a tenured professor whose wife has stopped nagging him to get a haircut because the nagging doesn’t work. You couldn’t muss Sanders hair. The disorder is just as much an aesthetic as the comb-over. I mean it always looks the same. Somebody is cutting it to droop that way over the ears."

[Uncle Joe]

7. I agree, the author misses the primary point of Bernie's message while at the same time acknowledging

the results of skyrocketing white mortality.

He doesn't seem to recognize the difference between misdirected anger and righteous anger.

He certainly devotes much more time to Trump's speech and the hair business was just a pollutant to the article.

Having said that I do believe the author made some good points in general regarding the U.S. psyche.

[saltpoint]

5. Some politicians are in the game

to gain power, or consolidate the power they have. Their staff books meetings with high-powered lobbyists, corporate heavy hitters, and various other movers and shakers of the global power structure. The people Ned Beatty's character represented in the film Network.

But Power is an amorphous term. ("It contains multitudes.&quot Events can conspire to turn it on its head -- or reinforce it in its present form. Power is pursued at times to inspire change. Inspiration is used at times to change Power.

Trump heads in the direction of the corporate boardroom. Things are tidy in boardrooms. There is an emphasis on stark necessity and bottom-line profit margins. Refreshments are served to the 1 percent.

Sanders would diminish the role of the corporate boardroom in favor of very progressive initiatives aimed at elevating or restoring citizens' ability to run their own democracy. A living wage, health care for all, and affordable education are imperatives here, topics the (mostly) men in the boardrooms prefer not to discuss.

The Guardian piece is recklessly labeled. An editor ought to have intervened.

[Hiraeth]

6. (nice editing of a subject line) Donald Trump The white man pathology ...

On an American road trip, Stephen Marche enters the fray with Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders in Iowa and gets a view of the campaign trail from the perspective of his whiteness

there.

fixed the subject line for you.

now trashing thread.

[earthside]

8. Kind of a 'self-loathing' article.

I'm not sure what the point was ...

It is not an endorsement of Hillary Clinton (she is white, very wealthy and privileged).

I guess all white people of all political persuasions are supposed to feel guilty ... just feel guilty.

If Democrats adopt this kind of attitude, the loss in November will be historic.

[Uncle Joe]

11. I agree and the author does put forth one of the primary challenges that will face Bernie.

Bernie Sanders wants a revolution to overthrow casino capitalism but the problem, or maybe just the first problem, is that the American people love casinos. They can’t build them fast enough. On the road from Iowa, I passed at least a dozen, a dozen Fun Cities of various shapes and sizes, enduring various conversations about Trump and Sanders. The highways of Illinois are a unique vision of the workings of human desire – a nearly limitless marketplace for addiction and its cure. Strip clubs or fried chicken or gambling or church or rehab or cancer treatment. The I-94 spoke right to the unwounded body – the promise of processed sugar and pussy, or salvation from them.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/10/white-man-pathology-bernie-sanders-donald-trump

The article seems to be one of despair more than anything.

[earthside]

14. The decline of the U.S.

All we are going to hear about and talk about from now until Wednesday evening is the Powerball.
Because casinos and gambling are the only symbolic ways that regular folks can see a personal future anymore.

Income inequality has sapped a lot of the spirit out of the American working and middle class.

Of course, this is what Sen. Sanders talks about and campaigns on everyday -- in contrast to the Repuglicans and in contrast to the elitist Mrs. Clinton.

Which is why this nomination process and this election is, indeed, critical for the fate of the nation: we either get back to our genuine small 'd' democratic ideal ... or we are doomed.

[Uncle Joe]

15. I agree on all counts earthside and that was my biggest problem with the article, the author does

well in bringing up matters of racism, white privilege, white anger, white mortality and U.S. dysfunction but he falls woefully short in analyzing the different messages put forth by the two candidates that he cites and their potential results.

I thought the article was flawed but worth reading.

[Hiraeth]

9. gratuitous pic of those attending an HRC event

?w=600&h=450

[Ed Suspicious]

54. Children in the Corn?

[Hiraeth]

60. lol ... I don't remember now exactly what I was thinking. The bait and switch title line had me so

ticked off.

I think I was trying to say that if HRC was in Iowa she would be speaking to a field of corn with a few upper middle class white women peaking through.

sad, aren't I.

I know it.

Try living in my brain.

[mcar]

13. An excellent read

Thanks Boo!

[mwrguy]

18. K&R

[Betty Karlson]

20. Yeah: rehashed and long-debunked smears against Sanders' supporters: they are all white and male.

Camp Clinton is showing every sign of being desperate and vile and the same time.

"It's the issues, stup*d!"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Great read

Thanks for posting.

[kath]

23. Nice- change the title to suit your agenda. BTW, the word "fandom" appears NOWHERE in the entire

Article.

[BooScout]

24. We've already discussed this up thread...

After some sleuthing ....I have found that the Guardian changed their title of article on an edit this afternoon. I did nothing more than c&p the title of the article as it appeared at the time I posted this.

For proof I submit the following: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/40bh7s/white_man_pathology_inside_the_fandom_of_bernie/

http://national.suntimes.com/national-politics/7/72/2413344/white-man-pathology-inside-the-fandom-of-bernie-sanders-and-donald-trump

http://dailyreadlist.com/article/white-man-pathology-inside-the-fandom-of-bernie-s-4

[Agnosticsherbet]

26. A great article which will make people think...

Unless they turn off that ability because they don't like the subject matter or conclusions.

[BooScout]

27. Or the title before and after the Guardian edited it.

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. The title is enshrined in the html link, mentioning Trump and Sanders.

Makes me wonder why they changed it.

[BooScout]

31. I could speculate...

..but I am not gonna post it...

Sure has given me a headache.

[Vattel]

32. This appearing in a major newspaper makes me worry that idiocracy has arrived.

Takes vapid to a whole new level:

Eventually Bernie wandered out. The phones went up. The phones went down. “Enough is enough,” he shouted, leaving blank what there’s been enough of. And then he talked about how he wanted to end the war on drugs and campaign finance reform and government that isn’t for plutocrats, and how they were going to build a revolution (such an embarrassing word to hear uttered out loud), and America was going to be a social democracy, by the people of the people.

[kath]

35. And it gets even more vapid and childish. Reads like something that would appear in a high school or

Junior high newspaper.

I had the impression, as with Trump, that I had traveled many hundreds of miles to look at a man’s hair. Bernie Sanders’s hair is as much a statement as Trump’s. It looks like the hair of a tenured professor whose wife has stopped nagging him to get a haircut because the nagging doesn’t work. You couldn’t muss Sanders hair. The disorder is just as much an aesthetic as the comb-over. I mean it always looks the same. Somebody is cutting it to droop that way over the ears.

Jeebus H. Christ on a Trailer Hitch.

Idiocracy indeed.

[Vattel]

36. Yes, the next two paragraphs are much worse. I was trying to be nice, lol.

[Armstead]

53. Naw -- Fuck that guy. Doesn;t klnow his ass from a hole in the ground

as evidenced by this little tidbit:

"The fundamental difference between the Trump and Sanders crowd was that the Sanders crowd has more money, the natural consequence of the American contradiction machinery: rich white people can afford to think about socialism, the poor can only afford their anger. "

He is a moron on so many levels.

[Vattel]

68. Yes, the stupid is strong with this one. (I just saw the new Star Wars)

[R B Garr]

33. Quotes from article confirm Sanders'supporters have

more money than Trump supporters and can afford to muse about socialism.

That has been brought up here many times, along with many other references to Sanders and Trump competing for the angry people attracted to their gimmicky campaigns.

If someone asks you for links to this obvious phenomenon that has saturated the fringe group discussions, you know they can't be serious. This is all over the news and Sanders himself has discussed it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. Is it better to lose than tolerate the corrupting influence of white men in our party?

I say no, but YMMV.

If you think that we should nominate Clinton "because women would never vote for Republicans", you seriously misread the situation and the lessons of recent elections.

[Fawke Em]

37. This is such crap, I feel like I need to flush.

Apparently, the Guardian's writer's haven't been to any recent Sanders rallies.

[cali]

38. Yowzer. This is such an "emperor's new clothes" piece. It's not insightful and ironically

It's elitist.

[mmonk]

39. A denigrating post unless you can prove

they stand for the same things. Should I do a post on the similarities of women who vote for Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton?

[enid602]

45. personality

Bernie and the Donald do not stand for the same things (for the life of me I can't quite figure out what Trump stands for), but both have campaigns that are essentially cults of personality. I think this parallel is what fascinates the Canadian author.

[artislife]

40. Crap.

[one_voice]

41. Jury results..

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White man pathology? Lets compare Hillary to Catherine Medici and be fine with that. This is a way to insert the idea that the Bernie supporters here are racist.

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[BooScout]

47. Thank you One Voice...

To whoever alerted on this...you really need to read the article....you know, the one published in the GUARDIAN, pretty much the MOST reputable newspaper in the UK.

[TheFarS1de]

64. The problem is quite simple ...

The mass media is no longer considered "reputable" amongst many people . They like a lot of modern politics have been swamped by the identity politic machine and these blatant lies and opinion pieces are now somehow considered gospel . The general population is turning away from traditional news suppliers and are looking for the story/facts themselves . This article is a good example of the "why" people are doing just that .

[BooScout]

66. I see.....

So the Guardian Newspaper....is now no longer reputable. I'll make a note of that. Thanks.

[cali]

42. Here's a typical passage from this sophomoric piece

<snip>

Sanders’s speech was much shorter than Trump’s. There had already been the music, I guess. I had the impression, as with Trump, that I had traveled many hundreds of miles to look at a man’s hair. Bernie Sanders’s hair is as much a statement as Trump’s. It looks like the hair of a tenured professor whose wife has stopped nagging him to get a haircut because the nagging doesn’t work. You couldn’t muss Sanders hair. The disorder is just as much an aesthetic as the comb-over. I mean it always looks the same. Somebody is cutting it to droop that way over the ears.

<snip>
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/10/white-man-pathology-bernie-sanders-donald-trump

This is as bad a piece as I've seen posted hear. Not only does it lack insight, it's nasty and when discussing Bernie borders on anti-semitic.

Embarrassing to see praise for it.

[BooScout]

52. About this 'sophomoric' author...

He has a PhD, so he must have done something right to achieve that....as well as that, he writes for Esquire, the cAtlantic, Salon, the Toronto Star, the New York Times and several other publications...and he has written 5 books.

In my opinion it's a good a piece as I have seen posted 'hear' [sic].

[cali]

59. Degrees do not necessarily confer broad knowledge or wisdom.

And many are published, few are worth reading. This gent betrays his ignorance with claims such as declaring that the landscape of the Midwest has never been "romanticized". That's a claim someone with even a passing familiarity with American literature and arts would blush to make. His poorly written, overwrought piece is littered with such assertions.

[Doctor_J]

43. since a large percentage of Sanders voted twice for Obama, this is more hillarian bullshit

And racist too, a lot like Clinton's 2008 primary campaign.

[Walk away]

44. Great Post! Interesting article....

I have been seeing this for months now and I'm not surprised that the liberal press is starting to report it. I predict we see more Trump/Sanders comparisons in the press. Especially with Sanders having so many republican supporters.

[cali]

49. It reads like parody. And there's so much that's simply incorrect and ignorant

Not just the big things but pretentious nonsense like this:

The beauty of the landscape around those towns, for some reason, has never been properly romanticized.

What nonsense. Fitzgerald, Cather and many others did just that.

The piece is thick with nonsensical descriptions and ignorant claims. My guess is this guy has read too much psychobabble and not enough literature.

[Armstead]

46. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I still kinda believe that we all do better when we ALL do better

Still enmeshed in that Stone Age belief that we should be trying to overcome accidental differences of birth and work towards common goals that enable everyone to live a better life.

And jettisoning our ingrained individual and social prejudices and judgements against those who are Not Us.

I'm even so goddamn hokey to still believe in that Old Fart idea that Unity is Preferable to Separation, and people should be judged on their own merits, and that sexism, racism and other distinctions should be overcome and fought against, instead of perpetuating them with endless versions of the same old "My ethnic and genetic group is better than your ethnic genetic group."

[cali]

51. Well said. We all have more in common than that which separates us, though

that which separates us can feel vast indeed.

[goldent]

48. I read the article. Yucky.

[Number23]

50. "The fundamental difference between the Trump and Sanders crowd was that the Sanders crowd has more

money."

Damn. Just... damn.

This is one HELL of a read. I am supposed to be taking my children to school right now!! We're running late and it's all because of this damn article!

[Armstead]

55. Pure nonsense

"The fundamental difference between the Trump and Sanders crowd was that the Sanders crowd has more money, the natural consequence of the American contradiction machinery: rich white people can afford to think about socialism, the poor can only afford their anger. "

Wrong on so many levels.

[BooScout]

56. I do try to bring the interesting ones in...

[Number23]

58. Considering how errr.. "revered" The Guardian has been here among a certain crowd

The responses to this piece about how horrible and terrible the writing is is kind of weird.

The media has been "dissecting" the black community for 60 years, broadcasting our assorted ills -- both real and imagined -- to the world with almost little input from us in the process. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with this dissection of white America even if there are parts of the piece that I don't agree with.

[cali]

61. It's incredibly ignorant.

[Number23]

63. A sentiment you've expressed at least four times in this thread already

[Thinkingabout]

57. Thanks for sharing.

[Fast Walker 52]

62. WTF? what a sickening comparison

[aikoaiko]

65. A beautifully written, but superficial analysis of white men and Bernie Sanders' supporters.

I know its conventional wisdom to make analogies between Trump and his supporters to Sanders and his supporters, the messages are completely different once you get past the desire to make America better.

Stephen Marche admits but doesn't criticize the fact that he will return to Toronto and live the liberal life that Bernie Sanders is trying to help all Americans achieve.

So nice job doing your best to associate Bernie Sanders with Donald Trump, Stephen Marche. Enjoy your single payer health care system and well-funded public services. You didn't do America any favors.

[TeddyR]

67. Didn't bother reading this drivel

As a Hillary supporter, I find articles comparing Sanders to Trump to be both inaccurate and offensive. I really wish Democrats would stop posting lies about the candidates they don't support. The last few months I've seen a lot of posts/comments that belong on World Net Daily, not a progressive website.

[yardwork]

69. Fascinating read.

My grandfather grew up in Detroit. I remember that border crossing into Windsor. No passports, no birth certificates, no driver licenses required. Just tell the man where you were born and why you want to visit Canada.

[ismnotwasm]

70. Boom

And there it is.

[Cha]

71. Thank you for this, Boo!

[Warren DeMontague]

72. What a rambling pile of self-indulgent gibberish.

Seems to me "white male privilege" would include being paid by a media outlet to have a several thousand word essay published that doesn't end up saying anything and has no point.

[Dawson Leery]

73. kick.

This needs to be seen by everyone.

[betsuni]

74. K&R

[mountain grammy]

75. Go right ahead and get your chuckles out of this

Comparing me and my family and friends to Trump supporters.. Enjoy yourself. Have a glass of wine and give a toast to Hillary while thousands of citizens rot in American prisons for the crime of being poor. You're more concerned with bashing us than looking at how the system is grinding people down and spitting them out. Hillary Clinton is more a part of that stinking, corrupt system than you will ever admit.
Yes, I am an angry white woman and I support Bernie Sanders. All American citizens who are sick of the inequality and injustice that's eating us alive must stand together for honest and real change.

[djean111]

76. I agree with everything you said. Thank you!

And the utter drivel about "of course all women will support Hillary" is so condescending and disgusts me.

[BooScout]

78. ...

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[mountain grammy]

81. Just like your candidate..

mmmm, what a surprise!

[Fawke Em]

79. Apparently, people are still clinging to this meme as it relates to Sanders.

Take a look at his rallies, folks.

The diversity is there and any reasonable person can SEE that it's grown over the course of the past three months.

The only people wanting the "BernieBro" thing to be true are Hillary and her minions.

[NCTraveler]

80. Excellent read. Thanks for sharing. nt.