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NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 07:58 PM Jan 2016

Bernie Sanders Is a Loud, Stubborn Socialist.

Republicans Like Him Anyway.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/71225/bernie-sanders-is-loud-stubborn-socialist-republicans-like-him-anyway

In the Sen­ate, Bernie Sanders should be all alone.

Sanders is con­stantly rib­bing Re­pub­lic­ans in his trade­mark con­des­cend­ing Brook­lyn-ac­cen­ted tone. He of­fers up le­gis­la­tion that’s so far to the left that it couldn’t get a vote even un­der Ma­jor­ity Lead­er Harry Re­id. He’s the cur­mudgeon in the Sen­ate Demo­crat­ic con­fer­ence, rarely sat­is­fied with how far his lead­er­ship will go to pur­sue pro­gress­ive policies, and not afraid to vote ‘nay’ when his lead­ers come up short. And none of his Sen­ate col­leagues, on either side of the aisle, think he could ever be elec­ted pres­id­ent of the United States; most of them even be­lieve he shouldn’t be.

But rather than earn­ing the frus­tra­tion and ire of his peers in the vein of oth­er Sen­ate hard-liners such as Sen. Ted Cruz, Sanders has man­aged to be re­spec­ted — even liked — by much of the cham­ber, ac­cord­ing to mem­bers on both sides of the aisle. The Ver­mont in­de­pend­ent ac­tu­ally has much more in com­mon with Sen. Tom Coburn, the now-re­tired “Dr. No,” whose hard-line op­pos­i­tion killed many bills in the Sen­ate but also earned him the re­spect of his col­leagues on both sides of the aisle.

Sanders also has been able to work well with his col­leagues. He’s passed bi­par­tis­an le­gis­la­tion and forged strong re­la­tion­ships with mem­bers of both parties in nearly 25 years on Cap­it­ol Hill. But most of all, mem­bers say, even when Sanders is ideo­lo­gic­ally an out­lier, he lets oth­ers know where he stands. He’s not the type to sud­denly stab a col­league in the back. And that’s earned him re­spect both on and off the Hill.

“A lot of people here talk about what they be­lieve in, but they don’t act on it,” Sen. Mark Warner said. “He al­ways acts on what he be­lieves. “¦ We can agree or dis­agree, but you know where he stands.”


So what is it Democrats, a candidate who inspires on both sides of the aisle, or one who has detractors on both sides of the aisle? I know which makes the most sense to me.
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Bernie Sanders Is a Loud, Stubborn Socialist. (Original Post) NorthCarolina Jan 2016 OP
If he is so inspiring why aren't any of his colleagues endorsing him? leftofcool Jan 2016 #1
Some have. As to the rest, Smith, a Democratic NY state rep gave a clue: merrily Jan 2016 #3
Well wasn't that an interesting and enlightening read! in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #5
He didn't say he had his arm twisted by another campaign. He said Democrats were under a lot of merrily Jan 2016 #6
He said arm-twisting hasn't worked on him since middle school. Sounds like they were twisting his in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #11
? I was referring to who was doing the twisting. merrily Jan 2016 #12
I am confident that it wasn't the Republicans twisting his arm in the NY Senate. bvar22 Jan 2016 #42
I doubt that the twisting was at arm's length Proserpina Jan 2016 #13
Enlightening read. Thanks, merrily. n/t bvf Jan 2016 #20
Any Senators? redstateblues Jan 2016 #36
You seem to have missed the point of what Smith said and therefore of Reply 3. merrily Jan 2016 #39
Holding current congressional members to high standards? randr Jan 2016 #19
You ever heard of the word "Vindictive"? andrewv1 Jan 2016 #27
They Do Not Want To Risk Losing .. CORPORATE CAMPAIGN CA$H AND OTHER PERQUISITES! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #29
His hair is a mess, his suits often rumpled, he points a lot, he can go on and on and on and on... Kalidurga Jan 2016 #2
Are people on about his hair again? merrily Jan 2016 #7
I have no idea, I skip over a lot of negative posts. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #17
Please, Hillary was one of the most popular senators during her tenure in the Senate. Beacool Jan 2016 #4
More bills and amendments written by Bernie became law than those written by Hillary. merrily Jan 2016 #8
No, they didn't. In Hillary's short time in the Senate the same number of bills that were Amimnoch Jan 2016 #24
That is really interesting. Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #35
No. Your link does not show me stuff she wrote that became law and was not ceremonial. merrily Jan 2016 #38
More likely she did it by working for similar interests dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #9
Didn't she also attend that zalinda Jan 2016 #15
Yep, here ya go... Duppers Jan 2016 #21
Thanks mountain grammy Jan 2016 #25
Who knows if she was faking or pandering and serious? Duppers Jan 2016 #31
Yeah, me too. mountain grammy Jan 2016 #32
On the other hand, if she were faking.. Duppers Jan 2016 #33
I think I'd prefer a liar to a religious fanatic.. mountain grammy Jan 2016 #34
Creepy...... VERY creepy. bvar22 Jan 2016 #43
Are you thinking of the resolution against flag-burning? JDPriestly Jan 2016 #28
Don't forget Hillary's War on Cartoon Violence in Video Games!!! bvar22 Jan 2016 #44
K & R, most people don't know this about Bernie dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #10
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #14
K&R CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #16
Yet one of the more jerk-ish Hillarians here referred to Bernie today as"PNG"for persona non grata, kath Jan 2016 #18
Well, there may be a lot of truth to it. sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #22
how fucking childish dorkzilla Jan 2016 #23
Bernie has respect on all sides Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #26
It's impossible not to like Bernie. He's genuine, kind, upfront, polite, cares about people. senz Jan 2016 #30
I agree with Cornel West when he NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #41
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #37
"you know where he stands" <-- Voters LOVE this in a candidate, both Dem & GOP voters 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #40

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
5. Well wasn't that an interesting and enlightening read!
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jan 2016

His colleagues should know it's "safe" to endorse Bernie and he had his arm twisted by another campaign. Very, very enlightening indeed!

Can't say I'm surprised though. I figured that's how HRH has gotten her endorsements. Ill-gotten endorsements aren't genuine endorsements. They're given under duress, threats of a primary or false promises made to them....bought and paid for.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. He didn't say he had his arm twisted by another campaign. He said Democrats were under a lot of
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jan 2016

pressure to endorse another candidate and didn't feel "safe" to endorse Bernie or others. I think the pressure is coming from Party power brokers. I don't think the Hillary campaign would do this directly. Then again, it doesn't have to.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
11. He said arm-twisting hasn't worked on him since middle school. Sounds like they were twisting his
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jan 2016

arm to me.

<snip>
# Yes, there has been enormous pressure to endorse a different candidate, but arm-twisting hasn't worked on me since middle school and did not influence my decision. Hopefully other legislators will see the enormous level of solidarity you have all given and be convinced that it's “safe” to do what's right instead of what's easy. #

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
42. I am confident that it wasn't the Republicans twisting his arm in the NY Senate.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jan 2016

That leaves two suspects,
and I have eliminated O'Malley on general principles.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
13. I doubt that the twisting was at arm's length
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:53 PM
Jan 2016

I'm thinking it got a lot more intimate...up real close and personal. Short and curlies, they call it.

andrewv1

(168 posts)
27. You ever heard of the word "Vindictive"?
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jan 2016

The Clinton's like the Bush Crime Family, has refined it to the next level that if you "don't get on board" & show allegiance you'll have problems.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
29. They Do Not Want To Risk Losing .. CORPORATE CAMPAIGN CA$H AND OTHER PERQUISITES!
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jan 2016

Quite simple in a "political system" that relies entirely on a Quid Pro Quo system of buying influence in order to get YOUR policy.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. His hair is a mess, his suits often rumpled, he points a lot, he can go on and on and on and on...
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

about what is broken in the system. Sometimes he gets short with stupid people. And he doesn't seem to care at all about optics. But, he does have some qualities that aren't terribly great. I will get back to you if I can ever think of any.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
17. I have no idea, I skip over a lot of negative posts.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jan 2016

I know it's a thing among people who care about optics though. That is something I never cared about myself. Sure you can get some funny memes, but that sure doesn't fix policies that hurt people.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
4. Please, Hillary was one of the most popular senators during her tenure in the Senate.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jan 2016

She won over even the senators who set out to impeach her husband. She did it by being self-effacing, not hogging the limelight and working very hard. As she always says: Be a work horse, not a show horse.



merrily

(45,251 posts)
8. More bills and amendments written by Bernie became law than those written by Hillary.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jan 2016

And most of her bills were ceremonial.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
24. No, they didn't. In Hillary's short time in the Senate the same number of bills that were
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:33 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Mon Jan 11, 2016, 06:48 AM - Edit history (3)

written by her got passed as Bernie accomplished in his decades in congress.

Hillary Clinton = 3x bills authored that became law in 8 years

Burnie Sanders = 3x bills authored that became law after decades in office

That's right.. decades in Congress. and Hillary got the same done in 8 years. Perhaps if he'd done more with his career than represent the most homogenous state with a smaller population than Alaska (hell more than 20 US cities have a larger population than his state).

merrily

(45,251 posts)
38. No. Your link does not show me stuff she wrote that became law and was not ceremonial.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:48 AM
Jan 2016

My statement was about bills and amendments that she wrote or co-wrote (not just co-sponsored) that became law (didn't just die) that were not simply ceremonial, like a re-naming a post office or remembering the anniversary of the American Revolution.

I did not say bills she co-sponsored. Anyone can co-sponsor and that is not a measure of "getting things done."

I did not say ceremonial. Remembering the anniversary of Harriet Tubman's birthday is not a measure of "getting things done.

I did not say bills and amendments she wrote that never became law. Anyone can write a bill that never becomes law, even me. Even the two unconstitutional flag desecration bills she wrote went nowhere (thank heaven).











dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
9. More likely she did it by working for similar interests
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jan 2016

The senators who impeached her husband were working for many of the same interests as the corporate-funded Senator from New York, Hillary Clinton. Being a power player in that game who was close to the forces of capital gave her more in common with those senators than many of us want to admit. I'd say that not just about Hillary, but about most of our current crop of elected representatives.

We have a lot of work to do to get a government that works in our interest rather than the interest of the wealthy, the capture of both parties by monied interests is now well established.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
31. Who knows if she was faking or pandering and serious?
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jan 2016

If she were truly serious, then ohmynoodles!! That alone scares the crap out of me.




Duppers

(28,117 posts)
33. On the other hand, if she were faking..
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jan 2016

That only reinforces her reputation as being disingenuous. Either way, this was a horrible decision on her part.




Forgot to add, mountain grammy

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
43. Creepy...... VERY creepy.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jan 2016

The more I read about "The Family" and the "C Street" House,
the creepier it gets.

According to The Family, if you are RICH, it is because god favors you and he has CHOSEN YOU to run the World. People without money ... well, that is disapproval from god, and they don't matter.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
44. Don't forget Hillary's War on Cartoon Violence in Video Games!!!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jan 2016

She led the charge on this important issue.

At the same time, she helped Bush kill and maim a million innocent REAL people with families, wives, children, and dreams of their own, and run about 5 million INNOCENT people out of their homes forever.
.
.
.
.
but video games are the problem.

kath

(10,565 posts)
18. Yet one of the more jerk-ish Hillarians here referred to Bernie today as"PNG"for persona non grata,
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jan 2016

saying that Bernie has NO friends on the Hill, is widely disliked, blah blah blah

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
22. Well, there may be a lot of truth to it.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jan 2016

If you are following the usual path in Congress, and are dependent
on corporate money for your election, a man of principles and of
integrity may become a thorn in your eyes.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
23. how fucking childish
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jan 2016

I am guessing that Hillarian probably was projecting their own feelings of being unlikeable. Their parents probably tied a pork chop around their neck so the dog would play with them.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
30. It's impossible not to like Bernie. He's genuine, kind, upfront, polite, cares about people.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 11:12 PM
Jan 2016

He's not one of the gamy, slimy, backstabbing, deal-making, two-faced, phony politicians.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
41. I agree with Cornel West when he
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jan 2016

so elegantly put it this way when speaking of Bernie: "He touches our humanity". He is precisely correct I believe.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
40. "you know where he stands" <-- Voters LOVE this in a candidate, both Dem & GOP voters
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jan 2016

it's why many GOP voters are flocking to hear Trump, is that he is putting on this show
of being a guy who "speaks his mind", who "can't be bought" (because he IS a billionaire),
who "tells it like it is", etc.

But when Trump has to stand up in the GE against a candidate who's not just putting on
a show, but who really IS those things, Trump will crumple like a the empty suit he is.

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