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POLITICSMedia Silent as Stunning New Poll Shows Bernie Sanders Surging in Crucial Primary States
Dylan Hock | January 10, 2016
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Bernie Sanders rapid rise in the latest poll of likely primary voters is casting Hillary Clintons alleged inevitability into serious doubt.
What started as a little spark in the greater American political spectrum is now growing into a full-fledged wildfire, as indicated by the most recent poll data from NBC, The Wall Street Journal, and Marist.
With a mere three-point advantage over Sanders in Iowa, establishment favorite Hillary Clinton is sure to face a run for her money in the first primaries, with Iowa and New Hampshire voters going to the polls in three weeks.
But it is in New Hampshire, currently, where the heat behind the Sanders campaign is really starting to warm America up to a possible Sanders presidency, where the democratic socialist candidate polls at a anywhere from a four-point (50-46, NBC/WSJ/Marist) to thirteen-point advantage (50-37, Fox News) over Clinton. Sanders has also maintained a healthy lead in NH across several polls for the past two months.
Much more at:http://usuncut.com/politics/sanders-campaign-catches-fire-clinton-begins-feel-bern/
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Chemisse
(30,793 posts)Had he received even an iota of attention from the press!
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Better to keep the crooked MSM out of the elections entirely. They can't do straight news anymore. Everything is spin and entertainment. Bernie is neither.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)which would allow the big vote flipping to slide by without a hint... Now the public's ears will be up.. and blinders off!
Chemisse
(30,793 posts)Still, it's bothered me all along that he has been so pointedly ignored, even as he has risen in popularity.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)and the inevitability...
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)this guy? Hopefully?
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)eom
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)President Obama carried the southern states because of his extreme popularity among African American voters, but this time Hillary is the one with strong support in the south.
Bernie is no Barack.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/can-bernie-find-a-way-to-win-in-red-states.html#
Yes, the race moves south after a brief detour to Nevada (a caucus state where Clinton has a 3-2 lead in the two polls taken so far and heavy labor support). South Carolina kicks things off on February 27, quickly followed by the so-called SEC Primary (Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia). Yes, four non-southern states (Alaska, Massachusetts, Minnesota, and Sanders's own Vermont) will also hold contests that day, but the southern states have nearly four times as many total delegates and will get the lion's share of attention. Michigan and Mississippi follow on March 8, and then, on March 15, Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio. What these March 8 and March 15 states share with the South is a relatively heavy presence of minority voters in Democratic primaries.
And therein lies Bernie's problem: a complete lack of any demonstrated ability to appeal to African-American and Latino voters, as compared to Hillary Clinton's long-standing ties to minority communities and their leaders.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)In 2012, only Virginia and Florida.
http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/all/president/#.VpMcYLYrLUI
In 2008 he also won in North Carolina.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html
There is no point in winning primaries in southern states. They will not support a Democrat in the general election. Their primary results are rather irrelevant.
Southern Democrats need to do much better. Bernie's message could just win more votes than Hillary's same old, same old.
Hard to say.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)the nomination. There's no good path without most of those delegates.
Hopefully Bernie is a lot smarter than many of his supporters -- or if he gets the nomination, we're all in trouble.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Wishful thinking.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)will tell.
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senz
(11,945 posts)They put it under "Politics," but here it is:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/10/bernie-sanders-makes-strong-showing-in-new-polls/
Finally, they can't ignore him. At least on this.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)the power brokers in elections - the end all, be all president makers. Little do they know they know, the Internet left them in the dust years ago! They're all going to be exposed for the shills they are. It's not going to help their ratings/readerships at all.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)or a single Democratic woman to Congress. (Their first Repub woman was just elected a few years ago.)
And NH is the most white state in the country, and is right next door to Bernie's stronghold in VT.
The crucial primaries will be the ones that follow, in diverse states that represent most Americans.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Because the media did not tell them.
But should Bernie win Iowa and NH they will have no choice but to cover it and that is when the favor-ability or lack of it in Hillary's case comes into play.
For those who have an unfavorable view of her they would then have another choice.
But I can already see that when she loses it will be chocked up to misogyny and racism...not just that she is politically unfavorable.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)That's when his favorability will start to plummet.
They are no doubt already preparing "opposition research" on him -- they will find plenty. And what they don't find, they'll make up.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)Bernie has never faced the national Republicans and the focus of the national media.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Looking forward to it.
Edited to add that I shouldn't even be here. I keep forgetting that hiding a forum doesn't keep it out of Latest or Greatest.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But let's face the facts Hillary has a ton more things than Bernie does...she has been in the WH and SOS for many years now and has scandal after scandal in the media...and still has one in the process of being revealed.
And just because you can brush it off as just RW attack not everyone is like you...in fact most people are not and most people believe the worst about people in government in the first place.
Sanders does not have that baggage...and so they will have to make up shit and it is bound to be lame.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)she would be exempt?
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)The baggage for Bernie's spouse will fit in the trunk of a compact car, Bill's baggage on the other hand will require a tractor trailer. Thus my surprise at a Hillary supporter bringing up the subject while still in the primaries.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)The national media have barely opened the Sanders'. How does anyone know what will be found in there?
thereismore
(13,326 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
ybbor
(1,552 posts)Go Bernie Go!
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)So what's new there? Wait until the primaries start and Bernie starts kicking ass. Then they'll all look like the ignorant corporate assholes, that they really are.
So I'm not surprised they're not covering Bernie. We are all fully aware how the corrupt media has been about him. It's been going on since May of last year. They don't want any more attention given to the only candidate that wants a better America. And Bernie is the only one going after corporate America. So yeah, as for corporate media, Bernie does not exist. Let the fun begin when the voting starts.
Together, we can make this happen
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....it's the state from where they get granite to build monuments.
oasis
(49,152 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)And pretty soon you're talking about real primary wins.
With apologies to Senator Dirksen.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Cheers!
thereismore
(13,326 posts)then you and reality are not friends.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Losing both Iowa and New Hampshire, not exactly the narrative of inevitability.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Maybe not from their POV, but from Bernie and his supporters' POV that is what will give him the breakthrough to the masses.
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Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Apparently saying "Camp Weathervane" is hurtful and over the top... so say the Hillbots...welcome to Hillary Underground.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)"First, and therefore they get attention"?
George II
(67,782 posts)....after more than 1800 delegates will be won.
But it's moot, because Clinton will come out of Iowa and NH with equal or more delegates than Sanders anyway.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I try to stay out of predictions. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens.
Edited to add that I shouldn't even be here. I keep forgetting that hiding a forum doesn't keep it out of Latest or Greatest.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)He could do this!
George II
(67,782 posts)Clinton has been consistently polling more than double Sanders, and currently she's ahead 66-26.
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Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)It may seem a strange partnership: Mattie Thomas, a 66-year-old black woman in South Carolina going out of her way to gin up support for Sen. Bernard Sanders, a man born and raised in New York to Jewish immigrant parents, and who spent the majority of his life representing a state where 19 out of 20 residents are white.
But Mr. Sanders message resonates so much with her that Mrs. Thomas, 66, is knocking on every door in her neighborhood in Florence and planning trips to remote corners of South Carolina to make the case to fellow Democrats that the Vermont senator is the candidate their party needs.
Im not scared of ISIL, as African-Americans we see a cop car and were afraid were afraid of that one cop whos afraid of a 12-year-old boy with a toy gun, Mrs. Thomas said. Im scared of going to a movie theater or a shopping mall. I do all of my shopping online. I fear that, its real to me.
Mr. Sanders addresses the black communitys fears and proposes solutions to improve their lives, she said. Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton offers less clarity, and seems more ingrained and invested in a political system thats clearly broken, Mrs. Thomas said.
Fifteen dollars an hour minimum-wage would lift so many people in South Carolina who are really struggling, Mrs. Thomas said. Ive worked and paid into Medicare my entire life and still I have to pay for medical care. Health care for everybody would be a great improvement. The school-to-prison pipeline needs to stop. Privatizing prisons was the first mistake this country ever made. Its amazing to me how many people in this state need help. You have no earthly idea how much. Bernie Sanders speaks to them.
Clearly she's the ONLY person in SC to feel this way though....right?
Oh wait...there is another:
You know, I was supporting Hillary at first, but then Bernie came and spoke at Allen University and addressed criminal justice reform and the Black Lives Matter movement, and his words resonated with me, said Ms. Maxwell, 31 and black. It was a matter of words and passion and the passion he spoke about when he addressed criminal justice reform well, I think he will be a major champion of it.
Ms. Maxwell is traveling to universities across the state to help mobilize students to vote for Mr. Sanders a key demographic Mr. Sanders is relying on in other states as well.
But that's gotta be IT for sure...just those two, no more than that for sure...right?
Just doing my part to help you keep your warm-and-fuzzy!
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)Very smart individual! A true rarity to hear of somebody so on the mark!.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)because they know there is real chance bernie wins iowa and NH.
When that happens nevada becomes a real contest.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The media is not "silent" - that is just a complete lie.
NY Times: Bernie Sanders Makes Strong Showing in New Polls
WSJ: Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders Even in Early Races, Poll Finds
NBC News: Poll: Neck-And-Neck 2016 Races in Iowa, New Hampshire
ABC News: Sanders, Clinton Neck-and-Neck in N.H. and Iowa, Polls Find
Time Magazine: Poll: Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders Deadlocked in Iowa
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)for a long time. This poll forced them to look at a
serious competition.
And now, knowing anything about the M$M they will
try to find any dirt on him they could, besides just
calling him a socialist, instead of a democratic one.
BTW how does the jewish community feel about his
attempt to run?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And should he win Iowa and New Hampshire (which he very well could) then it will get really noisy in the press.
In fact, I think the MSM would love it - as they seem very keen on the whole "horse race" concept on the Republican side.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)ABC News always talked about a potential matchup of Hillary versus some Republican, usually Trump, but they NEVER mentioned any potential matchups between BERNIE and a Republican. Never.
The local news mentioned Bernie, but it also limited the speculation about potential matchups to Hillary versus some Republican.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)About how well he is doing in NH and Iowa and what the impact on the race would be if he won those states.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)CNN has been commenting all morning.
I reckon people believe what they want to believe.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)brooklynite
(93,878 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)progressoid
(49,827 posts)Unfortunately they only asked "if the election were held today...." 'Clinton vs Trump', 'Clinton vs Rubio' and 'Clinton vs Cruz'. Not Sanders vs ClownXXX.
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)in the polls, at least, on the Today show. And they didn't mention the word 'socialist' that I heard.
Of course, they said nothing about what he is advocating. It is interesting about this cone of silence, isn't it?
When they can no longer ignore him because he's challenging Clinton in national polls, the mainstream media STILL ignores his message.
But that's OK. They no longer control the message.
We do.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)gordyfl
(598 posts)If you saw the McLaughlin Group last week (PBS), you would think this election is over.
Here's some excerpts:
JOHN MCLAUGHLIN, HOST: Biggest winner of 2015.
CLARENCE PAGE, CHICAGO TRIBUNE: Im going to go with Hillary Clinton, because whatever else happens with on the Republican side, shes virtually won the Democratic nomination. So, shes a winner this year. Well see what happens next year.
JOHN MCLAUGHLIN, HOST: Destined for political stardom in 2016.
ELEANOR CLIFT: Hillary Rodham Clinton is the almost certain Democratic nominee, poised to be our next president. Stardom doesnt get any better than that in the political world.
Faux pas
(14,583 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,467 posts)just check the greatest page.
monmouth4
(9,664 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)About an hour ago. The panel talked about Hillary possibly losing, and about Bernie surging.
Amazing.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Down goes Hillary (thank God)~!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)and stay at home. except she's running the "it's my turn" thing like Mittens did and he lost for it. If she did win by March I feel her chances of winning are next to none.. Or worst case scenario she pulls a Mitt Romney at the Convention and boots the (Sanders people out like Mittens did with Ron Paul. ) oddly 2012 it was either Ron Paul or Obama if Ron Paul had won. 2016 it's Bernie Sanders or... don't know I have no wish to have things go back to 2007
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)How long can people pretend the war manufacturing police state wants Hillary. Whose side are these people on? It shouldn't be forgotten.
kjones
(1,053 posts)Clinton is on Mass Media
Mass Media = Sham
Clinton=Sham
We want more Sanders on Mass media
....
Sanders is on Mass Media
Mass Media is still = Sham?
Suddenly =/= Sham?
Help me here, is the difference between disgusting corporate entity
and A-OK whether or not they put your candidate on?
(By the way, they do)
Do you guys (the Bernie fans who do this) not see the ridiculous
back and forth you do? The other day, all polls were terrible
(well, not the online ones). Today, they're gospel. Mass media is
and evil corporate boogyman (except during those times that
Bernie is on). Or how every union that endorses Clinton is attacked,
and every one that endorses Bernie is lauded. The cascade of
double standards and flip flopping is difficult to believe.
valerief
(53,235 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Empowerer
(3,900 posts)very diligently - even breathlessly - covering the tightening of the race.