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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 01:53 PM Jan 2016

Andrea Mitchell is now declaring that "13 Hours" will undo Hillary

There is a movie coming out this week that is the ultimate "Benghazi!". While admittedly factually inaccurate, "it's a movie" she declares. Even though facts are on Hillary's side, the release of the movie is incredibly bad timing when Bernie is rising in the polls. Even a Hillary supporter she interviewed acknowledged that the timing is very bad and that the movie will hurt her image.

I'm reminded of how American Sniper made a "hero" out of Chris Kyle and only now are we seeing any kind of refutation against that with Obama's shutdown of his widow during the town hall on gun control.

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Andrea Mitchell is now declaring that "13 Hours" will undo Hillary (Original Post) berni_mccoy Jan 2016 OP
Hillary is so far off my radar that I don't really even care to watch this. NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #1
Same here. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #34
reminds of 'Black Hawk Down' bigtree Jan 2016 #2
I doubt it. Her supporters will still vote for her, so will indies leftofcool Jan 2016 #3
I thought . . . JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #6
Anyone who criticizes Clinton is useful BainsBane Jan 2016 #8
Yea, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and Now Andrea leftofcool Jan 2016 #17
and that anti-choice group BainsBane Jan 2016 #19
that is not true--I think the making of this movie is wincingly craven and icky zazen Jan 2016 #36
On financial issues her judgement is tainted. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #37
Clinton has abysmal support from Independents CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #7
I find it ironic that people who bemoan that the Democratic Party is too Republican BainsBane Jan 2016 #13
40 years in government, nobody, including Hillary Clinton, has ever run against him. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #35
Sure they will. leftofcool Jan 2016 #18
Indies aren't voting for her now. eom Fawke Em Jan 2016 #10
+1....Thank you! Segami Jan 2016 #12
Was not this so called movie designed to be a hit piece? Wellstone ruled Jan 2016 #4
Problem is that right wing hit jobs only appeal comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #5
Probably will be entertaining propaganda Armstead Jan 2016 #14
Link to Mitchel claiming it will "undo Hillary." nt. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #9
+1. Nt JudyM Jan 2016 #38
Mrs. Greenberg lost any credibility she had years ago. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #11
The vultures are out en masse, the media is salivating. Beacool Jan 2016 #15
Thank you for posting. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #16
Andrea's husband is more of a liability. mmonk Jan 2016 #20
Not a thing kenfrequed Jan 2016 #21
Absolutely. Although she has so many "loose threads" that it's hard to not pull one. libdem4life Jan 2016 #22
I regret any hit piece on any of our candidates Tom Rinaldo Jan 2016 #23
it won't matter restorefreedom Jan 2016 #24
So...eight gazillion Congressional hearings couldn't turn up anything, Arkana Jan 2016 #25
Andrea also thinks Jack and Rose were really on the Titanic, and now there is a JoePhilly Jan 2016 #26
gee, I remember when "Wag the Dog" came out... grasswire Jan 2016 #27
Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2016 #28
Mrs. Greenspan's... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #29
Right- because 8 congressional investigations find no wrongdoing, but a MOVIE will show the truth! Beaverhausen Jan 2016 #30
A movie doesn't have to be fact based liberal N proud Jan 2016 #32
I suspected that the movie was a very timely hit piece liberal N proud Jan 2016 #31
This movie is complete bullshit. Reich wing fantasy. This is getting so damn old. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #33

bigtree

(85,977 posts)
2. reminds of 'Black Hawk Down'
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jan 2016

...which was just a step above the actual footage staged of the brutal display of the dead soldiers - as if the exploitation of the embassy deaths by republicans and the right wing wasn't offensive enough.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
6. I thought . . .
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jan 2016

We were supposed to 'not respect' Andrea (at best) because she's married to Greenspan.

Or - is it -

We can only respect her when she says something someone at DU agrees with?

Funny - eh?

zazen

(2,978 posts)
36. that is not true--I think the making of this movie is wincingly craven and icky
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jan 2016

It's sickening for people to exploit the deaths of those men to drum up hatred against her.

I disagree with her neoliberal politics and her military strategies, which are part of a greater sickness of global capitalism that is destroying this planet. I think she generally means well but is really misguided and that moving beyond the politics of corporatism in which both parties participate is one of the most important struggles in human history, given the stakes.

Having said that, she is not responsible for the deaths of those men and to make a movie about is just gross, just like those bumbling idiots questioning her for 11 hours was gross (but mostly embarrassing for them, which was admittedly enjoyable).

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
37. On financial issues her judgement is tainted.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jan 2016

She knows her stuff in regards to foreign policy.

As far as guessing the impact of a movie on the electorate, I think she knows about as much, or as little, as anyone else.


CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
7. Clinton has abysmal support from Independents
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jan 2016

Yes, her inner core will stand by her. But don't count on Independents voting for Hillary.

Poll after poll shows that her support with Independents is extremely low. She also has high unfavorables with Independents.

BainsBane

(53,016 posts)
13. I find it ironic that people who bemoan that the Democratic Party is too Republican
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jan 2016

are now celebrating their candidate's appeal among Republicans and independents.

The reason that Sanders polls well is that NO ONE has run against him. NO ONE. The GOP is in full force against Clinton. "Progressives" are in full force against Clinton. No one has gone near Sanders. To imagine that if he were the nominee that would hold up in the face of GOP ads about his claims to being a socialist is absurd.

And honestly, as much as you all might value the votes of centrists and right-wingers over Democrats, the fact is Clinton is far more popular than Sanders. He trails Clinton by 31 points in the polls. If he can't even get anywhere close to half of the votes for the nomination, he can't get votes in the general election. And as much as you all are hoping the Trump voters will abandon the Donald to register Democrat and vote for Sanders, there is no indication that is happening, and I can't see any motivation for them to do so. They have a far greater chance of influencing the GOP than the Democratic nomination.

comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
5. Problem is that right wing hit jobs only appeal
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jan 2016

to a narrow demographic. Is it actually an entertaining movie or just a propaganda piece?

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
15. The vultures are out en masse, the media is salivating.
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

Personally, I'm not worried. Sanders will probably win NH and may even win IA, but those two mostly white rural states do not represent the rest of the nation. This is not 2008 and Sanders is not Obama. When all is said and done, I still think that Hillary will be the party's nominee.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
21. Not a thing
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jan 2016

No. This film will only affect those that will already be voting in some other primary.


Bernie will win because of the issues. Simple as that. When people hear him speak they get excited.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
23. I regret any hit piece on any of our candidates
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:02 PM
Jan 2016

Let this and all political contests be settled on the merits of the arguments on things that really matter. I know, not gonna happen, but still....

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. it won't matter
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:16 PM
Jan 2016

a movie will not decide this primary...issues will

and unfortunately for her, the issues do not favor hillary

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
25. So...eight gazillion Congressional hearings couldn't turn up anything,
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jan 2016

but Michael Bay is going to blow the lid off?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
26. Andrea also thinks Jack and Rose were really on the Titanic, and now there is a
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jan 2016

... huge diamond just lying down there on the wreckage.

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
29. Mrs. Greenspan's...
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:25 PM
Jan 2016

...dreaming... They all loved Benghazi and thought it would win for Romney, and now take out Hillary. Andrea and the talking heads should take their money and go home!

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
30. Right- because 8 congressional investigations find no wrongdoing, but a MOVIE will show the truth!
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jan 2016

fuck that noise.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
32. A movie doesn't have to be fact based
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:34 PM
Jan 2016

But it can have enough connotation in it to make people think that Hillary was to blame for the event. And people will believe it because they saw it with their own eyes.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
31. I suspected that the movie was a very timely hit piece
Mon Jan 11, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jan 2016

What other reason would it be put out there. The movie coupled with the media, it's a perfect storm. Hope they enjoy Trump.

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