With all Due Respect, Sanders Supporters are REALISTS.

[Skwmom]

We are realists because we are fully aware of what a Clinton presidency would mean to the Democratic Party and this country -

the Democratic Party and our government would be fully owned by the 1% and the corporate interests. If you think things are bad now, just imagine if that were to occur.

[onecaliberal]

1. Just like it is now. We're done voting for complete corporate takeover and destruction

of our planet.

[OilemFirchen]

2. With all due respect,

you make a declarative statement, then devote a post to disproving it?

Why?

[Skwmom]

3. I stand by my statement. n/t

[CorporatistNation]

30. I AGREE 100% K and R U R CORRECT in Your Assessment! It Will Be WORSE!

!

[guillaumeb]

4. I think people who support Democratic candidates are realists.

Realists in the sense that they understand that the GOP prescription of endless tax breaks for the capitalists combined with endless belt-tightening for the workers is not a recipe for success.

While HRC is not my preferred candidate, she is by a large margin absolutely better than any GOP candidate.

I thought the same thing about Barack Obama. Like HRC, he is not really in nay sense a progressive, but he was better than the alternative.

[Skwmom]

6. You get the government you are willing to accept. n/t

[guillaumeb]

7. We all get the type of government that a majority of those actually voting are willing to accept.

Low turnout of likely Democratic voters is a huge problem, especially in non-Presidential elections. I personally blame low turnout in large part on Democratic candidates who do not inspire people to vote. Alison Lundergan Grimes comes to mind.

[Glamrock]

19. I agree, however

I put more blame on the media which refuses to do its job informing the electorate. We no longer have newscasters that explain the differences in policies and the effects of said policies. Very few people are the political junkies that we are here.

[Ed Suspicious]

23. In my public relations class this semester, my professor said that 80-90% of all stories in the news

or on "news" channels are a prepackaged product of public relations. She seemed to be trumpeting this as some sort of accomplishment as if it were evidence of the importance and viability of the PR industry. She framed the topic as PR aiding news outlets in order to save them time and money and helping them to get the story right. I am not so positive on this reality. To my mind this is evidence of a tragic lack of objectivity by people who sell themselves as objective and in the public interest. We need reporters doing hard news.

The corporatocracy has replaced news with PR.

[Skwmom]

31. It's called propaganda brought to you by the corporations and 1%.

Have you see the Hardball promo they constantly run that flashes pictures of candidates? They change it up but the bottom line is they try to promote Clinton and diminish Bernie.

[Fawke Em]

18. When your 16 year old son is half Arabic and has a Muslim name...

I don't know that Hillary is any different than the Republicans.

[ucrdem]

5. That's kind of a switcheroo

but let's go with it . . . Hillary has always been good at bulldozing the VRWC and she shows no sign of giving them any quarter. Maybe campaigning is not her bag but she's a whiz when it comes to making it happen.

[guillaumeb]

8. What is VRWC? Another acronym that I do not understand.

[Juicy_Bellows]

9. Vast right wing conspiracah! Nt.

[guillaumeb]

10. Thank you. eom

[ucrdem]

11. Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

She won me forever with that one:

[guillaumeb]

13. I would partially agree with her. Assuming that she is/was serious.

It is evident that the GOP leadership has no intention of working with the Democrats unless the Democrats happen to support a GOP initiative. But when Barack Obama supported what was essentially the Mitt Romney healthcare plan the GOP still opposed him. After 7 years of the Obama Presidency, this opposition seems to be reflexive for the GOP.

[ucrdem]

14. I think she was serious.

It was a gaffe of course but we know now more than we knew then and sadly she was all too right.

[Skwmom]

32. The two for one couple worked with the Corporate Republicans to give us NAFTA, etc.

If anything minor is achieved for the people, it includes HUGE corporate giveaways.

They should have called it the Health Insurance Act because that is what it was. With skyrocketing premium costs in so many states that system is unsustainable. Instead of insuring everyone, the insurance companies were provided with huge revenue streams.

[guillaumeb]

37. Absolutely. Unfortunately the "two for one" is no bargain for the voters.

There was a reason that the "Romney Plan" was chosen by Max Baucus and promoted by Barack Obama. And the reason was not to provide health coverage. That could have been done far easier by extending Medicare to all.

[Dem2]

12. lol

Where's the /s?

[MohRokTah]

15. .

[Fawke Em]

20. Your laughter is my smirk.

We're gonna kick your/her ass.

I smelled the flop-sweat this morning on Morning Ho.

[CharlotteVale]

25. This was alerted on and all 7 jurors voted to leave :)

[Amimnoch]

29. ROFLMAO.. you took the words right out of my mouth.

This OP should do stand up. This is hilarious.

[baldguy]

16. None of Sanders proposals will ever become law without a supportive Congress.

The fact that he is doing absolutely nothing to help elect like-minded candidates down ticket - and is positively hostile to the party apparatus tasked with getting Democrats elected & keeping Democrats in office - proves that Sanders and his supporters ARE NOT realists.

[jalan48]

21. At least make the argument instead of rolling over and playing nice.

[modestybl]

22. If Sanders is the nominee, he is MUCH more likely to help down-ballot candidates...

We will need enthusiasm to get people out to the polls and vote... and having a really Progressive who people realize is as serious as a heart attack when it comes to economic and social justice will give many heretofore disillusioned people a real reason to vote.

He understands your point more than most, since he worked to get the only significant piece of legislation passed in 2014... Demi have lost battles for 40 years because they weren't serious about FDR style politics. Finally we have a real one.

[brooklynite]

34. Funny that none of the down-ballot candidates seem to think so...

[Skwmom]

33. The number of elected Democrats has really flourished when Corporate Democrats are elected President

[noiretextatique]

38. +1000 they just blame liberals and progressives

Not failed 3rd republicon-lite strategery.

[Skwmom]

40. The voters turn away when they realize they've been had. n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

17. This campaign are the only realist among viable Presidential campaigns

Without building a movement to reverse the direction of this country. Without a campaign against maintaining forever an unsustainable global military empire, without a campaign to move away from such absolute rule by the rich and powerful, without a campaign to build an America where the wealth is much more equitably distributed - one is living in utter un-reality. Among viable presidential campaigns, only Sanders's campaign offers real change from this self-destructive path.

[Thespian2]

24. It has occurred...

The 1%er, if elected, would carry out the wishes of her corporate masters, including signing the TPP and TTIP into law, regulate corporations even less while giving them more tax breaks, destroy education, destroy unions, keep up the wars, including the "war" on drugs...in simple terms, give what is left of America to the corporations, those 16,000 families who control the country...

She would manage to be worse than Ray-gun, Herbert Walker, shrub, and Bill...worse than all of them combined...

but, whoo-haw, first female president...of the OIL-i-garchy...and First Man would be able to get his ass back into the White House hot tub...

[lumberjack_jeff]

26. Her lack of coattails guarantee an even worse congress. n/t

[Juicy_Bellows]

27. Not even sure she is wearing a coat. Nt.

[Scuba]

28. K&R

[seabeyond]

35. You certainly did not convince me of realism with your all or nothing, doomsday argument.

[randome]

36. Sorry, but this sounds too much like Creationists trying to use science to disprove science.

If you're a realist, you must know by now that Clinton has the numbers on her side. If those numbers change, so be it. But they haven't as yet.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers, it's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

[Orsino]

39. I dunno. I think we're just Sanders supporters...

...and that demands quite a bit of idealism.

I think the nation and world are about out of time, and that we can't afford more caretaker presidents. I think we need to dream and act as big as are the problems we face, and we must plan to drag GOP Congresscritters, kicking and screaming, along with us. I think r these are realistic goals, as long as we admit that we are undertaking what hadn't been done before. It ain't gonna be easy, so we need to get the best possible people into running things, and stay on 'em to ensure they perform.

And if Bernie isn't to be our president, that will mean we have to work even harder.

[Skwmom]

41. This is in response to them calling Sanders supporters idealists

on the show "With all Due Respect." While there is some idealism, there is also a healthy dose of realism.