Sybrina Fulton is being viciously attacked on her facebook page.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

https://m.facebook.com/sybrinadfulton/photos/a.1658923960999284.1073741828.1654391474785866/1956966387861705/?type=3&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1956966387861705%3Atl_objid.1956966387861705


Regardless of who you support maybe you can post something nice there and show her some love.

Thank you.


DSB

[cali]

1. I will gladly do that

[Sheepshank]

2. All that disgusting swarming and negativity

No one, sitting on the political fence would change their stand based on that poor choice in timing trying to badger a person into changing their mind. Gawd these people have absolutley no boundaries. Can't their leader reign them in?

[Vinca]

100. I'm totally stunned. I've never seen nastiness on the Internet before.

Where's the sarcasm smilie?

[Empowerer]

3. Will do. Thank you.

[ismnotwasm]

4. I just posted a message of support

How disgusting for anyone to do this-- well I expect it from republicans at least.

[BooScout]

5. Not again!

Is everyone who supports Hillary going to be subjected to on-line bullying?!

[leftofcool]

12. Yes

[stevenleser]

99. Yep. Everyone. Nt

[R B Garr]

6. Whoa! That is straight up NASTY and uncalled for.

Totally unhinged creepiness. Wow, just when you think they can't sink any lower, they do.

Rec for bringing this to our attention.

[zazen]

7. could you post a summary please? thx n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Summary

The gist of the attacks:

"What gives you the right to endorse anybody?"

"Hillary is bad and you are stupid to endorse her"

"You were a bad mother and that's why your son is dead."

"Your son had it coming."

Poor woman

[BooScout]

13. That's just wrong...so freaking wrong!

What is the matter with those people??!

[Luminous Animal]

113. Those aren't actual quotes. I just read through all of the comments and also did several searches to

find them. They don't exist.

[Cha]

79. "What gives you the right to endorse anybody?" Yeah, it's not their candidate so she has no

freaking "Rights".

"What gives you the right to endorse anybody?"

"Hillary is bad and you are stupid to endorse her"

"You were a bad mother and that's why your son is dead."

"Your son had it coming."

Poor woman

Yep, they're despicable.

[zazen]

141. I've not been to her page but I treat people who've lost kids as off limits

Thanks for the summary. I was offline until now.

I've tried never to "pile on" even with John Edwards for just that reason.

In her case, her kid was murdered and the murderer exonerated, and she went through the trauma of a lot of no doubt unwanted publicity. I don't want to look at any of the comments, the nasty ones of which I assume are primarily from right-wingers.

I agree that endorsing someone and "putting it out there" typically entails the capacity and willingness to defend that position, but again, for me, I try to not weigh in to disagree with people who've been through that level of trauma. I wouldn't say anything if she were supporting Donald Trump.

If she goes on a huge tour and argues that global corporatism will provide more jobs and lift people out of poverty and that we need to unilaterally topple more middle east dictatorships without an end game, then polite disagreement is okay, but otherwise, I agree with most everyone on this thread who are wondering why anyone would bother to seek the woman out and criticize her decision. Yeesh. Leave her alone.

[questionseverything]

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Jt Marie
I respect your choice, but Hillary is a corporate hawk through and through. I'm voting for Bernie and I hope you will too
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Tyler George
While I respect your decision, I feel like Bernie would do a lot more for this nation than Hilary. Bernie is the president FOR the people while Hilary is president for corporate America. She's shoddy. I don't trust her.
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David Aldana
Bernie was fighting FOR people like us when Hillary Clinton was fighting AGAINST people like us on the walmart board of directors.
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Charles Davy
Thanks but voting Bernie. I dont want another warhawk, who is in the pockets of corporations elected.
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Mike Parks
How sad for Hillary to feel like she has to exploit victims' families like that in order to not lose to Bernie Sanders. Good thing it won't work. FEEL THE BERN!!!

[BainsBane]

27. And naturally what they want trumps Fulton's right to support a candidate

committed to doing something about the gun violence that took her child's life. What could possibly matter in this world other than them and what they want? Certainly not Ms. Fulton or anyone else.
They can cast their vote, but to bully a woman for having the audacity to care about the gun violence that killed her child is as low as it is possible to sink.

They don't want a "corporatist war hawk." Fine. They can vote for whoever they want. I myself don't care for a campaign where narcissistic bullies are given free reign to harass people for having the audacity to care about something other than the egos of the perpetually self-entitled. Their empty sloganeering does not begin to excuse that kind of despicable behavior.

Like all of us, they each get one vote, no more, no less. They don't own Fulton's vote or those of any other American, though it's pretty clear they think they do.

It's bad enough they join the GOP in seeking to defund Planned Parenthood, that they embrace the support of far right anti-choice organizations in their contempt for Planned Parenthood, proving without a shadow of a doubt that PP was right in endorsing Clinton. It's bad enough that they have relentlessly harassed Gabby Giffords, who nearly lost her life and was greatly impaired from gun violence. But now to harass a woman who lost her child is lower than low. '

Fulton's endorsement, like Giffords and Planned Parenthood's, are about issues, issues relating to gun control and women's reproductive rights where Clinton is clearly much stronger than Sanders. And their response is the same empty hyperbole that in no way relates to the issues that those people addressed in making their endorsements. The reactions against them only show how those women were absolutely right in endorsing Clinton rather than a candidate who won't even act to keep his own supporters from working against those causes, let alone the GOP.

Sanders supporters who respect these women and their rights need to stand up to this shit. Ask yourselves if this is really what you want the legacy of Sanders' campaign to be? Because really, what possible cause could justify this egregious behavior? That is not the behavior of people who care about equality; it is the behavior of those who believe their own superiority trumps the concerns, rights, and even lives of others. It is incumbent on decent progressives to say enough is enough, to stand up for principle, for equality, and for basic human decency.

[Empowerer]

28. Hear, Hear!

This bears repeating:

"Sanders supporters who respect these women and their rights need to stand up to this shit. Ask yourselves if this is really what you want the legacy of Sanders' campaign to be? Because really, what possible cause could justify this egregious behavior? That is not the behavior of people who care about equality; it is the behavior of those who believe their own superiority trumps the concerns, rights, and even lives of others. It is incumbent on decent progressives to say enough is enough, to stand up for principle, for equality, and for basic human decency."

[DisgustipatedinCA]

96. Why do I need to explain away Trump's base?

Politically speaking, my candidate is much further away on the political scale than your candidate. So what does this have to do with my candidate?

[BainsBane]

105. The OP is about Sanders supporters

harassing Fulton on FB. That is what the screenshot shows.

I use the word "trump" as a verb, not a proper noun. It is an actual verb in the English language, and the meaning is clear from the context, including the OP.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

115. I used Trump as the surname of the guy I'm talking about, and that's not changing to please you.

And NO, the OP IS NOT about Sanders voters. Try reading with less of a bias, and you'll see that his name was not mentioned. If you or others want to make this about Sanders voters, bring what you have. I've identified exactly one (1) apparent Sanders supporter who was a real ass to this lady. Fuck that guy. But you know what? That guy isn't "Sanders voters", and that guy does not a trend make.

[retrowire]

54. Uhh... Every single one of those comments are perfectly fine.

I totaly don't agree with those comments out there that say that they're glad her son is dead but these comments are perfectly respectful disagreements. >.>

[BainsBane]

109. Clearly we have very different ideas of what respect entails

Ultimately the reactions on that FB page start with entitlement, people who believe what they happen to think trumps the rights of Ms. Fulton to endorse a candidate who actually addresses the epidemic of gun violence that led to the death of her son. Her support is about a very real issue, and it's clear form the reactions that those people believe that issue and Fulton's rights to advocate for it are inconsequential compared to what they want.

The concept that we all get one vote and have a right to exercise it as we choose is lost on them. They feel they have a right to harass anyone who doesn't do their bidding.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

116. WRONG. Show me people who "believe what they happen to think trumps the rights" of Ms. Fuller.

Go ahead, I'll wait. But here's something for you to consider. The campaigns have kicked into a higher gear. More people in more places are telling more lies about candidates. Bring your A game, or expect to be called on obvious stuff such as what you've posted here. A higher standard is now required. You don't get to make shit up; you don't get to ascribe the words of knuckledraggers to Bernie Sanders fans, not without proof you don't.

[rbrnmw]

135. Her vote is her business.

They have no right to comment one way or the other, if they disagree with her. It's very disrespectful to comment at all.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

137. That's not how politics or endorsements work.

No one needs to disrespect this person, but they can certainly disagree with her. Losing a son didn't turn her into a fragile piece of glass, you know. On a Facebook page where commenting is permitted, guess what's going to happen. That's right--people are going to comment. Commentary, in and of itself, is not disrespectful. I reject that premise.

[rbrnmw]

138. you didn't even read the comments you said so yourself

Have a nice day

[DisgustipatedinCA]

139. I've since read some. And I'll stick with my point.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Now that you saw my summary please go there and post something nice.

Thank you in advance.




PEACE
DSB

[peacebird]

8. I see a lot of posts saying 'i respect your choice, but I'm voting for Bernie'

Maybe I didn't look far enough, but every post I saw (maybe 30 total) had some variation on that theme.

[MrChuck]

20. me too

hillbots gonna hillbot.
someone else on here is saying that Bernie supporters are to blame, that we support an angry candidate and we're mean.

You're goddamned right we're angry and if Hillary was angry about the same things that Sanders is angry over then we'd all be lined up behind her.

Long story short, Trayvon's Mom waded in. Let her swim for the shore. I saw the worst comment from a Trump supporter anyway. My sympathy for this woman begins and ends with her tragic loss. I don't have to hold her hand because she endorsed a political candidate.

[Bobbie Jo]

26. Case in point

Perfect demonstration of the "attitude" that drives this behavior.

Long story short, Trayvon's Mom waded in. Let her swim for the shore.

I don't even recognize these so-called "progressives." That sounded a lot like, "if she was harassed it's her own damn fault.

The TREATMENT has become predictable and sickening.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. I was going to respond to some of the posts in this thread but then thought better.

It reminds me of a conversation my buddy and I had about youtube comments. Do they represent some variation of the general will or those with aberrant thoughts they wouldn't share in public?

[MrChuck]

35. What do you want?

She is endorsing a political candidate!
We wept along with this woman and denounced George Zimmerman as a monster.
Are we supposed to approve of her every whim now?
You ignored my observation that the hateful comments were few and specifically referenced trump on at least one occasion.
I saw fifteen or twenty comments that were polite and encouraged her to support who she wants but then went on to introduce Sanders' ideas.

If you go out in search of an enemy why are you surprised to find calm opposition instead of venom?

[lunamagica]

47. What do we want? We want you to just leave her alone

respect her choice, and back off.

[MrChuck]

50. Sounds reasonable.

I've never made any comment to her whatsoever...soooo.

[lunamagica]

52. OK, but you asked...

[MrChuck]

58. Ok, and you sure told me too.

Thanks for that.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

95. Yes, you just want her left alone, by someone who didn't say anything to her.

I'm very curious: what statement did you read that upset you the most? Now, this needs to be a statement you read before reading my post, and it would be more believable if you quoted one that has not been reposted here, but if those are the ones that upset you most, fair enough.

I'm curious to see what you'll say, since you've attacked someone else who didn't say anything at all. Thanks much.

[MrChuck]

36. That is patently untrue.

I don't know how you arrive at that opinion but I'll bet it has something to do with a chronic rush to judge others.
At any rate, without descending into ad hominem attacks, I visited the page and saw the comments with my own eyes.
Did you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. I read over two hundred posts. Please see Post 38 where a poster cited some of them.

Thank you in advance.


PEACE
DSB

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. I read over two hundred posts. Please see Post 38 where a poster cited some of them.

PEACE

DSB

[MrChuck]

46. Enlightening

Two of those posts mentioned Sanders.
I'm afraid I can't defend everyone. I'm just not going to relax and smile as long as not only my candidate but his supporters are derided, en masse, because of the hatred evident on Sybrina's page.
It's like I said, just about every single person on this forum wept with her as she endured such a horrible situation.
It's just madness to expect everyone to applaud her political decisions in kind.
I wouldn't lower myself to attacking her personally, since that kind of thing smells bad on anyone but I see no reason to feel beholden to her anymore than anyone else. She's endorsed. Let her defend her decision. As far as I can tell she is proud to have done so. While it is a shame that assholes will continue to attack, it's not an entirely unpredictable scenario.

[JTFrog]

124. "as long as not only my candidate but his supporters are derided"

You mean like Hillary and the woman who is the subject of the OP? She is being derided merely for supporting Hillary and so are her supporters here.

"While it's a shame that the assholes will continue to attack, it's not an entirely unpredictable scenario". Bernie supporters outnumber Hillary supporters here 6-1.

[MrChuck]

127. Again

What do you want from me?
I'm not attacking her.
I'm not obliged to ride to her rescue either and its my opinion that she welcomed criticism by endorsing.
I don't see Sanders people outnumbering other critics who have gone too far. Perhaps the perception of that could be traced to one's own perspective.
Also, there's s reason that Sanders enjoys more and more support while Secretary Clinton enjoys less and less.

[JTFrog]

128. Clinton has far more support than Bernie.

Just not on DU.

Then again, DU is no longer "Democratic Underground". It's morphed into some weird place where those criticizing from "the far left" have embraced "the far right".

And it has been pointed out by admin here that there is a disparity between the supporters that is reflected in the jury process. Since the Bernie supporters outnumber Hillary supporters 6-1, the nasty shit being said by Bernie supporters goes unchecked while mild criticism from Hillary supporters gets hidden day after day.

And I'm not about to sit back and relax and ignore it either.

[MrChuck]

129. Secretary Clinton

has LESS support, by far, than she had only weeks ago. That's a fact.
I'm not an idiot. I've seen a few of these cycles. It could go either way but right now it's moving toward Sanders. I'm on record many times stating that I'm voting Sanders in the primary and against any republican, FOR a democrat, in the general so please direct your vitriol in a more appropriate direction.

[JTFrog]

130. My aim is true.

And like I said, I'm not going to sit back and relax either.

[Beaverhausen]

9. Why are Bernie's supporters so nasty?

that poor woman doesn't deserve all that ugliness.

[leftofcool]

11. Because they support a candidate who is angry, thus they are angry.

[Dawson Leery]

22. Trump and Bernie will not be President.

America does not vote for angry candidates.

Trumpbots and Berniebots are equally vile.

[leftofcool]

24. Correct!

[Fawke Em]

74. Hillary will not be president.

[Cha]

80. Hillary Will Be Madam POTUS!

[CorporatistNation]

29. Just Because A Few Idiots Get Out of Hand, You Cannot Blame The Candidate...

Hillary is DESPERATE and that is why she is dredging up anyone that she can possibly find to "endorse" her. If anyone is pathetic, it is the fools in charge of Clinton's campaign. I mean Leon Panetta endorsing her yesterday or Friday... Like that was surprise. Corporatists stick together!

The campaign probably pressured Ms Fulton into doing the endorsement. Ms Fulton is a sharp woman and should not be treated in such a way, which probably is a result of her being placed in this position by some high level thinkers on Hillary's campaign.

[leftofcool]

30. Horseshit!

Just go away!

[Fuddnik]

49. Lead the way.....

[quickesst]

33. Haha....

[Human101948]

101. You certainly can't spell for shit!

Spell check is your special friend.

[quickesst]

143. First off...

... It wasn't my misspelling. Just a little something I grabbed off the net in a hurry. Secondly, it still addresses the childlike post I responded to perfectly, but you know what??new=1

[anigbrowl]

86. What?

She's a sharp woman but the campaign somehow pressured her into it and she was powerless to resist their corporatist mind-rays? Seems to me that the woman had one of the worst tragedies imaginable, losing a child to our sick racist gun culture, and that Hillary is the candidate who has come out most loudly and clearly against the NRA and kept that issue at the forefront of her campaign. Why shouldn't she endorse a candidate who seems to closely reflect her views on this issue?

I had a quick read of her Facebook page and left some words of encouragement. From her posts there she doesn't strike me as a person who lets others make up her mind for her.

[George II]

140. She didn't "dredge up" Ms. Fulton for an endorsement, she endorsed her on her own.

What you're saying is just negative speculation without a hint of truth.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

97. Let me know when your guess is worth some actual money.

[JTFrog]

132. You realize you can actually wager on the outcomes.

And at the places you can wager, your best bet is to put your money on Hillary Clinton. By a freaking huge margin. Or conversely to put your money against Sanders or Trump.

Just sayin...

[Fawke Em]

73. Because that's not a real Facebook Page.

Why are Hillary fans so gullible?

[Beaverhausen]

125. Of course it's real.

Did you even look at it?

[Tom Rinaldo]

136. Maybe a lot of them aren't really Bernie supporters

I would not put it past some Republicans to engage in that type of "dirty tricks". Divide and conquer. Beyond that, some people simply are nasty for any number of reasons. Sanders has millions of people supporting him, he can't screen out jerks from claiming to support him. Beyond a shadow of a doubt there are some assholes supporting every candidate, a few dozen mean spirited commenters do not speak for a movement of millions.

I am glad to see other Sanders supporters rushing to her defense.

[Bobbie Jo]

14. Unbelievable

What is wrong with these people?

Seriously.

[oasis]

15. What a bunch of cowardly slimeballs.

[NCTraveler]

16. There is a pattern and theme...

That speaks to a bigger picture and has been gently touched on here. I will bet that pretty much every comment that is negative, or even supportive of Sanders in a more positive way, are made by people who are visiting her Facebook page for the first time.

[okasha]

17. That's entitlement talking.

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White privilege at its sheet-trailing worst.

It's is the stuff of which sociopaths are made. Imagine the degree of narcissism necessary to think Ms. Fulton's grief and passion for justice for her dead son is somehow all about you and how you will vote.

[Number23]

42. + a million

[Dawson Leery]

53. "the beautiful people" are in love with themselves.

For they, Ms. Fulton is to be but a servant to their cause.

Very similar to Obama's supporters in 2008.

[Kentonio]

133. Oh my, is that a PUMA I spy?

[Cha]

81. So well done, okaska! Thank you!

[BainsBane]

110. Precisely

And it leaves no doubt as to what this election is about for them.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. That poor woman!

Why are Bernie supporters attacking her so viciously?

Awful.

I hope she doesn't read their comments.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

117. WHAT Bernie supporter? I'm getting tired of the false accusations. LINK or go.

[Iliyah]

21. Why even go on her FB in the first place?

My guess, to harass her. Enough said, and there is no excuse.

[BainsBane]

23. Earlier today someone was "offended" that I said I hoped this sort of thing wouldn't happen

The person insisted they were "progressives" after all. Yet it's happened to any publicly known person who comes out for Clinton.

I say enough is enough. It's time to stand up to the bullying and harassment. This is not acceptable. It's not leftist, decent, or civilized. It's bullying people for exercising democratic choice. It speaks to exceedingly poor character on the part of those who engage in it, who seek to do harm in this world because someone whose child was killed by gun violence has the audacity to want a president who is committed to addressing the problem. Decent human beings do not behave this way.

[RandySF]

32. No surprise at all.

[Cha]

88. Sorry you got a hide for pointing out the obvious, Randy.

[snpsmom]

37. Horrible

I posted a message of support and wished her well. Didn't mention my own preference for Bernie. She has the right to support whimever ahe choses without being harrassed.

[Empowerer]

38. I just went to her page. It's unbelievable

"Hillary doesn't give a sh*t about you. Or your dead thug son any more than you do. You probably believed yo lawyers was gonna make you reeich too?"

"Seems like someone paid you the right amount."

"Ask a Chicago Democrat about the gun violence, Sybrina . . . Stupid idiot!!!"

And those are just the first three . . .

Others:

"Bernie Marched with MLK and support the equal rights movement since the 1960s. Hillary is doing this just to get your vote. If you don't see that, you shouldn't be voting at all."

"I'll stick with Bernie Sanders. He's been fighting for African Americans long before 2015, unlike Hillary."

"So gun control is the reason for your vote? Do you realize what a liar she is? Do you work every day? ... Do you even know this dishonest woman's history? Sorry but you obviously don't! She goes after blind people like yourself. Uneducated people who endorse such a candidate is a travesty and exactly why we are in a horrible situation in this country. She fooled a fool!"

"It was the lack of parenting that led to Trayvon's death."

"I guess Hillary is getting the absentee "mother" who exploits the justifiable homicide of the son who hardly ever lived with her for fame and profit vote."

"Hillary is backed by for profit prisons. These prisons are largely to blame for over criminalization and police brutality. She is part of the problem that killed your son. You've made the wrong choice. Know your candidates"

This breaks my heart.

[Bobbie Jo]

44. Disgusting display. nt

[mcar]

106. This makes me sick

Attacking this brave woman and Gabby Giffords within days because they didn't endorse your candidate is the lowest of the low. Makes me think real highly of the attackers' candidate.

[Number23]

40. As tasteless as it is unsurprising.

The privileged inanity of people who are absolutely CONSUMED with the idea that they and only they know the truth or know what's right is exactly why Sanders supporters have gotten almost as much publicity as the man himself has. And none of it has been good.

[Metric System]

82. Spot on analysis. Their condescension is running amok.

[JustAnotherGen]

94. +1

[Ed Suspicious]

43. Yeah. That's annoying and pretty embarrassing. I can understand and even approve of getting on

public figures and questioning their endorsements. This is just a lady who had her son taken from her by an insufferable shithead. She needs the space to endorse whoever the hell she wants. I take the liberty to criticize her public endorsement from a distance (ie on DU) but to challenge her on her own facebook seems too damned far. Back off and let her be, people.


But. . .

She did make her endorsement publicly and shared her facebook post with the public, so she might be inviting it.

My reaction is mixed.

[RandySF]

45. .

[a2liberal]

48. I wonder why she opened her page to public comments?

This question is meant in all sincerity, no snark at all. I think the harassing comments (which I admit I have seen a few of) are sad and completely inappropriate. That said, if she is intentionally leaving it open to public comment (and it's not just an unfortunate oversight), then I think the respectfully disagreeing comments (which seem to be the majority) are completely fair and not out of line. I would say the same if she endorsed Bernie and Hillary supporters respectfully disagreed.

[Cha]

78. Because she's a strong woman and not afraid of those types who come to drop venom.

[TheFarS1de]

84. Admiral Akkbar said it best .

[a2liberal]

91. Then perhaps we shouldn't be white-knighting?

If she intentionally opened it up to public response and wants that, why are some people here asking those who are respectfully disagreeing (which again I realize is not everybody though it seems to be the majority) to leave her alone? (See e.g. post 47)

[Cha]

92. Perhaps nothing.. Sabrina Fulton has this covered.

Thank you, Sabrina Fulton

[a2liberal]

93. huh?

I'm sorry, I don't understand how that is a reply. Perhaps we are agreeing? Anyways, good night!

[DemocraticWing]

51. Her page is bound to get a stead flood of right-wing comments

The handful of Bernie supporters commenting there are a mixed bag of people...some respectful, some are assholes that deserve rebuke. Like all candidates supporters. Wanna go find the Kentucky/West Virginia Hillbots who voted for her over the "n-word" in 2008? Nope.

Believing that a whole group of people are nasty and bad is the kind of thinking that the Democratic Party is usually above. You are no better than Sanders supporters, and your failure to see that is why our party is ripping apart.

[retrowire]

55. It ain't cool.

But people are allowed to voice their disagreements respectfully.

Those of them however, that are spewing hatred and being disrespectful should just shut the hell up though.

[Kalidurga]

57. I saw a few very terrible comments most were not.

There is no excuse for the terrible ones. In fact the rarity of the terribleness makes it worse. It just goes to show you if the majority can be civil there is something very wrong with the ones that take pot shots at someone who has lost so much.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

59. Is anyone able to articulate the terrible things that were said?

So far (and I haven't read the link, don't plan to), someone has posted an excerpt with people saying things like "I disagree, and I'm voting for Sanders for blah reason...". Given enough people responding, I'm sure someone will say something really crass and uncalled for, but those words have not been posted in this thread. So can someone please take a break from talking about how terrible Sanders voters are to, you know, actually provide some overarching evidence that Sanders voters are saying cruel things to this woman?

[Marty McGraw]

60. it's reaching

and is really quite obvious at that 'and then they ridicule you' stage.

it will pass. or perhaps... hibernate.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

61. I knew that when I posted, but it does force the issue.

If they had anything, it would have been posted in the excerpt above. Instead, they've posted the words of a handful of people saying things like "I like Bernie for this reason" or "I disagree with you for that reason".

This woman didn't become a shrinking violet when her son was murdered. People can bring their respectful disagreements to her, and she can respond. Being the mother of a murder victim doesn't make her a weak person. In fact, I'd make the opposite argument.

[joshcryer]

63. C'mon. I applaud the supportive statements, but there are a lot there.

See post #38 for an example.

Also it's not just Sanders people, it seems to be pro-Zimmerman types as well, but they're using the swarm as cover.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

64. I read #48, but it doesn't seem to address what you're talking about.

I have no doubt that if there are enough responses on the Internet, there will be some very low and base responses. But what I've seen posted here doesn't back that up. And whatever else may be happening, I most definitely see that patented shock reaction that sometimes serves as a substitute for actually articulating what the egregious act was (the most common example of this is, "Wow, just wow!&quot . It's a shortcut for actually identifying the offense, and it's used as a lazy person's way to generate outrage.

[joshcryer]

65. I mistyped (I meant post #38).

But it's easy enough for you to say "I don't see anything there," without scrolling down the page to see for yourself and admit it's problematic.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

66. I readily admitted I didn't read the article, and I don't plan to.

I did ask if anyone could provide any egregious comments. I looked at the post you pointed me toward.

I'll be happy to admit something is problematic when I see it. But so far, I have not. I've seen drama-driven people talking about how this woman was viciously attacked. I'm just looking for an example of this, so I can take a better look at it. But at this juncture, people are freaking the hell out and acting morally offended, all without actual examples.

[joshcryer]

67. Post #38 has the worst examples.

But I actually do have a problem with post #18 (while another poster things they're perfectly reasonable criticisms). One, I never call Clinton a corporate hawk or only for corporate America, because that presumes that her supporters are also corporate hawks or only for corporate America. I consider such shallow criticism to be insulting. There are other comments likening her support to supporting killing innocents overseas, etc.

But if you're not going to read the page this is a pointless diversion, you don't even have to be logged in to read it.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

69. I'm not going to read the linked page, no.

But if people are going to talk about what a travesty it is, then those people should document what they're talking about. And now, I'm off to read post #18. Thanks.

On edit: I have read post #18, and I find nothing at all objectionable (I had actually read this post before now, but didn't specifically associate it with #18). I see people respectfully disagreeing, and just plain disagreeing, but nothing cruel, rude, or uncalled for.

[joshcryer]

70. And your feeling on post #38?

I don't see why we should have to copy paste the shit posts over there to here.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

71. OK. RE #38

First, I readily admitted a couple of times that I wasn't going to read the link. I assume that if something really bad was said, it would be excerpted here. And it looks like post #38 does contain some examples of vicious hate speech. It looks like the first 3 are from Republicans. To be clear, FUCK whoever said this, but they look like baggers to me. As for the rest:

"Bernie Marched with MLK and support the equal rights movement since the 1960s. Hillary is doing this just to get your vote. If you don't see that, you shouldn't be voting at all."
--This does sound like a Sanders voter. And if it is, fuck this person. Trayvon's mom can endorse anyone she'd like, with no pushback from Sanders supporters.

"I'll stick with Bernie Sanders. He's been fighting for African Americans long before 2015, unlike Hillary."
--I support this statement.

"So gun control is the reason for your vote? Do you realize what a liar she is? Do you work every day? ... Do you even know this dishonest woman's history? Sorry but you obviously don't! She goes after blind people like yourself. Uneducated people who endorse such a candidate is a travesty and exactly why we are in a horrible situation in this country. She fooled a fool!"
-This one was ok up to the point where the person called her a fool. Fuck this person.

"It was the lack of parenting that led to Trayvon's death."
--If you think this was a Sanders voter, we probably shouldn't be conversing.

"I guess Hillary is getting the absentee "mother" who exploits the justifiable homicide of the son who hardly ever lived with her for fame and profit vote."
-Piece of shit racist.

"Hillary is backed by for profit prisons. These prisons are largely to blame for over criminalization and police brutality. She is part of the problem that killed your son. You've made the wrong choice. Know your candidates"
-right idea, wrong conclusion.

[gwheezie]

68. You don't want to read the FB comments on her page

But you want people who have read them to post them here? Why don't you just go to her FB page?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

76. Because I don't really want to.

Also, because I know that anything exceptionally bad that was posted would be pasted here. And it was. I saw one clear indication of a Sanders voter acting like an ass. Everything else I saw reeked to high heaven of teabaggery.

[gwheezie]

62. I have so much respect for this woman

I'm sure she would prefer that no one pay any attention to her and she could have her son back and go to his college graduation and try to be quiet when she meets the girl he's dating who isn't quite right for him. And spoiling his children and helping him buy his 1st house and feeling so proud of him.
But she can't. And she was hit in her heart with tremendous pain and she has become a leader to right a wrong. I can't imagine, I just can't. I'm just grateful she has the strength. The sane and polite thing to do if you are a Bernie supporter is just to not comment on her FB page and if you must and haven't before, just acknowledge her terrible loss and grace in the face of anger.

[ismnotwasm]

87. This is exactly how I feel

You stated this perfectly

[Fawke Em]

72. That's not a facebook page.

It's a proxy.

Damn.

[Douglas Carpenter]

75. Here are some Facebook replies that I just copied off the top - they"re really NOT vicious at all

https://m.facebook.com/sybrinadfulton/photos/a.1658923960999284.1073741828.1654391474785866/1956966387861705/?type=3&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1956966387861705%3Atl_objid.1956966387861705

AT least 90% of them don't. I have not come across one single Bernie supporter who posted anything vicious. So, there might be. Who knows?


Sybrina Fulton

I'm voting for Hillary Clinton !!
‪#?HillaryClinton4President‬
‪#?MyVoiceMyChoice‬
‪#?WeMustVote‬


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Rick Wammack

Nothing personal....but why should we care? Support who you wish, but putting in public eye, not necessary....

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Sybrina Fulton

That's your opinion. It's not necessary for you to be on my page. Hint hint it's MY page.

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Jt Marie

Those of you who are using this as a forum to try to disparage Ms. Fulton and her family, please take your hate somewhere else.

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Christine Compas

I'm not going to judge you or your decision, that is completely yours to make. However I would like to point out that Bernie Sanders met with Sandra Bland's mother, privately, and did not use her pain and grief as a campaigning tool... To me, that speaks volumes of the difference between the two candidates, and is why I will be voting for Bernie Sanders...

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Mike Cress

Grateful for your wise and heartfelt editorial and for speaking a message that America so profoundly NEEDS to hear. Much love to you, Ms. Fulton heart emoticon

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Aileen Caldwell Laing

I'm voting for Hillary too! She is a classy lady (as are you).

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Amie Zimple

Just a little 'for what it is worth'. I support Bernie. Sybrina, you support Hillary. If Hillary is the nominee, I'll be happy and proud to vote for her. If Bernie is the nominee, I'll be happy and proud to vote for him. This is what Democracy is all about. This is why we have primaries. This is why we normally have more than one candidate running for the nomination. The primaries are coming and may the best (wo)man win. Vote Blue!

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Lisa Blackwell

This is the very reason I refuse to give Bernie my primary vote. The Bernie supports attack anyone that does not agree with them. Badgering this woman about her support. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. You're not helping your candidate.

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Sierd Wouda

Hope Hillary will be the next president of the USA. Go for it voting for Hillary!!! Gr.Kitty

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Julia Dawkins

I'll stick with Bernie Sanders. He's been fighting for African Americans long before 2015, unlike Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

108. Please see Post 38. Thank you in advance.

PEACE
DSB

[Cha]

77. What a great idea, thank you, DSB! Here's what I said..

Love you, Sabrina Fulton.. Love to your Angel Trayvon.

Ooops, I wasn't finished.. nevermind all the harassers.. that's typical behavior for them. It says everything about them and nothing about their target.

Here's what the poster down from me said..

Jt Marie

Those of you who are using this as a forum to try to disparage Ms. Fulton and her family, please take your hate somewhere else.

And, Sabrina gives it right back to them.. do not mess with this Mama!

Rick Wammack

Nothing personal....but why should we care? Support who you wish, but putting in public eye, not necessary....

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Sybrina Fulton

That's your opinion. It's not necessary for you to be on my page. Hint hint it's MY page.

If she would have endorsed BS.. they would be all over it having shouted out. But, now it's a different story.

[applegrove]

83. GOP trolls no doubt. Afraid of her power, her voice.

[Cha]

89. Sabrina Fulton, Trayvon's Mom using her power to raise awareness for her angel..

No doubt if she would endorsed BS they would be whooping it up.. instead.. it's all a big downer.

Gawd.. I would so not be whining about Trayon's Mom is she had endorsed Sanders.. It's her right.

[underthematrix]

90. I gave her some love because I'm so very proud of the way she has turned her

tremendous loss into a powerful message of working together to prevent police shootings of unarmed black people.

[lovemydog]

98. Thank you DSB.

You're a good soul.

[riversedge]

103. poster from her FB

?efg=eyJpIjoiYiJ9&oh=5371e9b5cd1e5ac0486c0708398ad32d&oe=573BD128

[BlueMTexpat]

104. Thanks for the link, DSB.

Done.

[MineralMan]

107. Done.

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I can't even begin to imagine what leads people to attack this courageous woman over her political opinion. Those who have done so are simply despicable.

Here's what I posted:

I encourage you to ignore the hateful messages you are seeing here. People who write such things are despicable. I understand why you are endorsing Hillary Clinton, and know you will be rewarded by her speech at the Inauguration next January. Thank you for your courage.

Note: I do not try very hard to be anonymous on the Internet, so I don't mind posting exactly what I said on her page. My own page is closed to comments from anyone but my FB friends.

[Gothmog]

111. These attacks are disgusting but were predictable

These attacks are really sick

[seabeyond]

112. You know, I was truly disgusted by the Democratic side of the isle attack to PP and women in general

Times ten the attack on our Democrat that was shot in the head and came back.

But, this is truly puke worthy of the Sanders supporters that is going after this one, her right to prefer one candidate over another, her experience in the death of her son, and her experience in sitting with Clinton in conversation, .... For sanders supporters to be so disgusting vile to another human being that has experienced so much pain, is beyond my realm of understanding.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

118. Give me a Sanders supporter quote that embodies what you're talking about.

NO ONE has been able to give me a quote so far, save one. One guy was an obvious Sanders voter and a real dick. Show me something else--ANYTHING else that justifies hundreds of dramatic posts about how terrible Sanders voters are.

[seabeyond]

119. I would not even waste my time, beyond stating I won't waste my time.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

121. You're going to need to stop making accusations without some backing. You have less than nothing.

This isn't amateur hour. Bring something better.

[seabeyond]

122. You telling me what I "need" to do has little effect.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

123. OK, then you can be the dramatic person who makes accusations that aren't true.

If that's the reputation you want, have at it. But let's be clear: You are going off on a tangent and getting quite stirred up over something you haven't even seen, and that's ridiculous.

[seabeyond]

126. Ya. Whatever.

[UglyGreed]

114. Leave the women alone

hasn't Sybrina and her family suffered enough?

[Tanuki]

120. I also find disturbing the many responses here that say, in essence, "She was asking for it

by posting her endorsement on Facebook."

[MrChuck]

131. Let's be clear.

She certainly did not ask for it.
However, the nature of politics is such that an endorsement invites criticism and, indeed, provides the opportunity for the endorser to defend their decision. Saying that they shouldn't have to defend a political statement isn't advocating for anyone's right. It's advocating for political lassitude.
The nasty commentary is due, in my opinion, to the overall degradation of our society, the casualization of discourse, the irreverent nature of contemporary communication. Civil discourse is dead.
It doesn't make it right but I'm not bloody doing it either and I lack the energy and the interest to expend energy trying to get people to be nice to one another. I'm trying to see someone elected that's going to fight for fundamental change in this country. I'm sure you feel the same about your candidate and so does Sybrina.
What evs. It's snowing and I have to leave early for work. Try not to kill one another.

[Starry Messenger]

142. +1

[Tom Rinaldo]

134. Thank you for this OP on behalf of Sybrina Fulton

I just left her this message:

"Although I disagree with your choice of endorsement (I support Sanders) I still mourn the loss of your son and commend you on your courage in your continued battle for racial justice in our nation. I have only respect for your commitment to using the political process to seek lasting healing changes in our nation. And for the record, I will gladly support Hillary Clinton for President if she wins the Democratic nomination. I am sorry that some have spoken ill of you and your choice. They are SO wrong to do so. I suspect some of them are motivated by a desire to sow divisions among us."