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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:20 AM Sep 2012

Goal oriented vs feelgood protest events

http://www.nationofchange.org/what-can-activists-learn-romney-s-47-percent-1348667512

Working class people see campaigns as practical, because they have stated and achievable goals and targets that can yield to the campaigns’ demands. I remember a typical reaction of Philadelphia working class people to most of the activist protests at the 2000 Republican National Convention: “Nuthin’ but fun and games.” Especially emphatic were some African-American working class members of a group that does direct action — including civil disobedience — to make gains for poor people. The ones I listened to were not only dismissive, but angry at the waste — both of the protesters’ energy and the city having to spend extra money.

Working class people often experience middle class people as self-absorbed, claiming space for something that turns out in the end to be only about themselves. Even when a black person confronts a white middle class activist for what appears to be racist behavior, a typical white will explain themselves at great length with long excuses and righteous claims — turning their own hurtful behavior into an occasion for making it all about them.

That pattern offers a lens into looking at activist demonstrations that seem to have no other object than self-expression. The problem is not confined to radical anarchists; polite Quakers also have a tendency to stand in vigils that have no clear relation to achieving change. “What is the point?” a working class person might ask
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Goal oriented vs feelgood protest events (Original Post) eridani Sep 2012 OP
This makes sense. I like the Quebec example. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #1
I'm confused. antiquie Sep 2012 #2
The American class system really simplified looks something like this: ellisonz Oct 2012 #5
highly accurate! warrprayer Oct 2012 #6
Thank you! ellisonz Oct 2012 #7
Then why do it? antiquie Oct 2012 #8
Okay. ellisonz Oct 2012 #9
Middle class and lower middle class... TommyCelt Oct 2012 #10
Why post this in the Occupy forum? U4ikLefty Sep 2012 #3
seems appropriate to me. limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #4

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
1. This makes sense. I like the Quebec example.
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:11 PM
Sep 2012

Reminds me of the original question from adbusters during the original days of OWS. "What is our one demand?" What if we had actually picked one demand? I don't know, but it's just an interesting 'what if'.

 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
2. I'm confused.
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 09:45 AM
Sep 2012

I thought my family was both working class and middle class. My dad owned a new and used furniture store but he did his own repair work and deliveries. My mom was an office worker.

Maybe we were lower class. Can you explain the American class system to me? I am a native Californian but this part of my education was clearly lacking.

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
5. The American class system really simplified looks something like this:
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 02:48 PM
Oct 2012

Super-rich (Romney)
Old-money (George W. Bush)
New-money (techi-boom)
Upper middle-class (well-to-do white collar professionals)
Middle-class (white-collar professionals)
Lower-middle-class (blue-collar professionals)
Working poor (blue-collar)
Poor (lower blue-collar)
The Occasional Homeless (living in cars/motels)
The Homeless (living on the streets)

I made all of this up on my own and there is probably some disagreement about my characterizations. I wouldn't worry too much about it all. People like to divide the 99%, but really that's not Occupy is supposed to be about and I rather resent (as a liberal progressive) attempts to divide the 99% along class lines for no useful purpose.

My family for example probably falls into the upper middle-class and middle-class at very points in time (the recession has hurt us).



 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
8. Then why do it?
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 10:07 AM
Oct 2012

"I rather resent (as a liberal progressive) attempts to divide the 99% along class lines for no useful purpose."

I don't rather resent it. I resent it. In my own professional life, I have earned six figures and nothing as high tech dispensed with a lot of us oldsters. I continued work as long as I could as a lower-level technician and finally as a clerical worker barely earning minimum wage. After that I managed on my IRA until SS kicked in. It has been wonderful and very difficult.

Since I believe that the 99% are equal, I really do not get this obsession with the American Class System -- which seems to me to be an invention of those who want to create division among us.

Trashing Occupy Underground now as it is not the progressive safe-haven I misbelieved it to be.

And congratulations to ellisonz for driving off a low-post counter. Do they give you a ribbon?

ellisonz

(27,711 posts)
9. Okay.
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 10:33 AM
Oct 2012

"Can you explain the American class system to me?"

I just answered your question. Spare me the unwarranted complaint, did I say I agree with the OP? No, and warrprayer found my list very accurate, so I don't really get where you're going with this thread at this point. I didn't drove you off by any means, you're spooking yourself! Anyways, I hope you enjoy DU.

I'm finishing my breakfast and going to work.

TommyCelt

(838 posts)
10. Middle class and lower middle class...
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 03:14 PM
Oct 2012

These can be interchangeable; lots of blue collars (the possibility for overtime) make oodles more money that non-managerial white collars like myself (fixed salary, no bonuses).

Plus, since my blue collar spouse is out of work, monetarily my household is probably closer to working poor by this list. Scary.

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