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ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:23 PM May 2013

Historically Authentic Sexism in Fantasy. Let’s Unpack That.

(Looking over the comments and disagreements over GoT-- which as I said I have very not feminist reasons for not watching-- as far as brutal sex, I've read books probably a bit more accurate where either gender is brutalized but females then as now in most cases of course get the lions share.


One very interesting fantasy series equalized gender religious power during what would be considered medieval times. Either gender can be the equivalent to Bishop, say or any religious leadership.

The author-- who I cant remember right now took pains to say her books were not historically accurate, but she created a rich, intriguing world for all that. Edit: ha! I remember, the Crown of Stars series by Kate Elliot; and yes the main female protagonist gets raped, buts its relevant to the plot line only as she overcomes her trauma and fear, and escapes her tormentor--who wants her unrealized power far more than her wants her body. The rapes are neither detailed or graphic. Nor does she have legal recourse in this world. In this series, sexual assault is very much about power.


And let's not forget practices such as the historically accurate 'Castrato' in which untold thousands of young boys were castrated to maintain their singing voices. From what I'm reading, GoT probably took the actual content of the books and sexed it up. I remember a Machiavellian plot that took forever to come together. Blech. ANY way...)

History is not a long series of centuries in which men did all the interesting/important things and women stayed home and twiddled their thumbs in between pushing out babies, making soup and dying in childbirth.
History is actually a long series of centuries of men writing down what they thought was important and interesting, and FORGETTING TO WRITE ABOUT WOMEN. It’s also a long series of centuries of women’s work and women’s writing being actively denigrated by men. Writings were destroyed, contributions were downplayed, and women were actively oppressed against, absolutely.

But the forgetting part is vitally important. Most historians and other writers of what we now consider “primary sources” simply didn’t think about women and their contribution to society. They took it for granted, except when that contribution or its lack directly affected men.
This does not in any way mean that the female contribution to society was in fact less interesting or important, or complicated, simply that history—the process of writing down and preserving of the facts, not the facts/events themselves—was looking the other way.

In history, from primary sources through most of the 20th century (I will absolve our current century-in-progress out of kindness but let’s not kid ourselves here), the assumption has always been that men’s actions are more politically and historically significant to society, BECAUSE THEY ARE PERFORMED BY MEN.


http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/12/historically-authentic-sexism-in-fantasy-lets-unpack-that
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Historically Authentic Sexism in Fantasy. Let’s Unpack That. (Original Post) ismnotwasm May 2013 OP
Yup, like all those women scientist whose discoveries were stolen by men scientists. KitSileya May 2013 #1
I've always wondered that myself ismnotwasm May 2013 #2
I love the linked piece from The Mary Sue. redqueen May 2013 #3
I was debating which one to link to ismnotwasm May 2013 #4
Yep, they both do a great job of making excellent points. redqueen May 2013 #5

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
1. Yup, like all those women scientist whose discoveries were stolen by men scientists.
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:33 PM
May 2013

Such as Lise Meitner and Rosalind Franklin, who were both cheated out of Nobel prizes. Or Hedy Lamarr, who is not known for inventing what would lead to wireless communication, but only for her looks.

For a very long time, women couldn't patent their discoveries, as it was illegal for women to get patents. They had to get them patented under a man's name, usually her father or husband. How many of the discoveries we attribute to men were really discovered by their wives or daughters? We will never know, will we.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
2. I've always wondered that myself
Wed May 8, 2013, 01:47 PM
May 2013

When that asshole Larry Summers surmised that women might have innate differences in mathematical ability, backed by that other asshole Steven Pinker-both extremely well educated, extremely intelligent men, in what, 2005? It made me wonder even more.

Fortunately, that has been debunked by recent studies, thank God. What. Crap.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
3. I love the linked piece from The Mary Sue.
Wed May 8, 2013, 02:08 PM
May 2013

This dude Rocks.

When I raise this issue with someone, I often get some variation of this in reply. Sexism in (to pick the most obvious example) medieval fantasy is okay or even desirable, the thinking goes, because in the real European Middle Ages sexism was the status quo. There’s no denying that, but fantasy is called fantasy because it’s a fantasy. There were no dragons in the real Middle Ages either, but we don’t have a problem including them.

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But abiding by the historical fact of sexism in a fictional universe that is otherwise not bound by historical fact, I’d say, accomplishes nothing as much as reinforcing the idea that it’s the default order of things.

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When it comes to fantasy universes, no matter their level of historical inspiration, sexism is—like everything—a choice. And it’s one that should be made a lot less often.

http://www.themarysue.com/sexism-in-historical-fantasy/
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