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ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 07:04 PM Jun 2013

Can a show about murdering women actually be feminist?

(I quit watching these kind of shows-- got bored, and a more than little sickened with the parade of dead women-- who seemed to be 'punished' in someway for murder, a sex worker, a mistress, a scheming wife, an oh, so inncent girlfriend etc. so I'm not sure if I agree with this, but I also haven't seen the show)


The endless parade of serial-killer dramas on TV today raises an uncomfortable question: What does it mean that we as a society seem to find violence against women endlessly entertaining? ”The Fall,” a BBC2 series now streaming on Netflix, forces us to take a hard look at ourselves as viewers and what we like — and makes the powerful point that killers who target women aren’t as deep or interesting as other shows make them seem.

At first glance, the show might look like “Law & Order: SVU,” or pretty much any murder series of the last decade. A man, a grief counselor, married with two adorable kids, cannot control his urges to hurt and control women. We don’t know much of his background, or his past crimes, but we come upon him in the beginning of a killing spree in which he stylizes the dead body. The police try to track him down with the help of a super-detective, one devoted solely to the job, so much so that she sleeps at work.

What makes this show uniquely feminist is the way it handles this seemingly familiar subject matter. It showcases the electric talent of a top-tier actor (Gillian Anderson) as a complex and brilliant detective solving gruesome crimes against women. It focuses on the explosive relationships between men and women, on misogyny, on the nature of violence, and it deeply cares about women, feminism and the ways in which men mistreat women, from petty judgments to torture, rape and murder.

The show is not subtle in its embrace of feminist themes. It purposefully paints male characters as both limited and flat. The hollow men, the stupid men who think largely with their cocks, the men who delude themselves into thinking that somehow they are worth more or are just better than women, are shown not as fully sympathetic human beings, but as dumb, or violent, or impetuous men. Though the serial killer on the show is indeed a male, he is a cipher with no real inner life. He is one-dimensional, and purposefully so. Anderson herself tells us so in the final speech of the season, a stunner, in which she explains to the serial killer in an indignant, but almost triumphant declaration:

You are a slave to your desires, you have no control at all, you are weak, impotent, you think you are some kind of artist, but you are not… you try to dignify what you do, but it’s just misogyny, age-old male violence against women.



http://www.salon.com/2013/06/16/can_a_show_about_murdering_women_actually_be_feminist/
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Can a show about murdering women actually be feminist? (Original Post) ismnotwasm Jun 2013 OP
Oh I most definitely think so. redqueen Jun 2013 #1
Well if anyone could pull it off its Gillian Anderson ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #2
I watched it. She's a good character. After watching on Netflix Squinch Jun 2013 #3
Cool ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #5
If you like female detectives... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2013 #4
I think Silence of the Lambs did a bit of that BainsBane Jun 2013 #6

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
1. Oh I most definitely think so.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jun 2013

The fact is when women are murdered it is usually by men. And many women are murdered in this way every day all over the world.

Violence in general is something that liberals and progressives have been railing against for ages. However there's been little to no attention paid to male violence against women, or even male violence in general as part of a pattern.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
3. I watched it. She's a good character. After watching on Netflix
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jun 2013

I read the reviews of others. There was a lot of anger in the comments over the fact that she was a woman who treated sex the way many men treat sex, and refused to be embarrassed by that fact. I found that interesting.

The plotting was a little flat, but the series was absorbing.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
4. If you like female detectives...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jun 2013

...I enjoyed the movie Taking Lives. (Anjelina Jolie, Ethan Hawke, Kiefer Sutherland)

An FBI profiler is called in by French Canadian police to catch a serial killer who takes on the identity of each new victim.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
6. I think Silence of the Lambs did a bit of that
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:21 AM
Jun 2013

In showing the connection between the killer's objectification of his victims and how male cops and FBI agents treated Clarice.

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