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ismnotwasm

(41,973 posts)
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 04:07 PM Oct 2013

The Masculine Mystique

This is a fascinating look at the MRA movement by The Daily Beast; it's eminently fair, bringing up "What it gets Right", using quotes from "moderate" groups,
(This is considered "moderate", and I could rip it apart with ease:“If people want to know my own objection [to the campaign]” says The Spearhead’s W.F. Price, “imagine an anti-crime poster campaign that says, ‘Don’t Be That African-American,’ or ‘Don’t Be That Latino.’ Women should realize the anger they feel at my generalizing their sex is the same I feel when they generalize mine.” Price goes on to argue that modern society’s tendency to assume guilt of those accused of rape has terrible consequences even for those later vindicated—which, to be fair, is not an unreasonable view")

-It also references that 20/20 segment that apparently didn't happen. Nonetheless, MRA's have gone mainstream-- it doesn't take much to expose them for the hate-filled shit heads they are.

Also they are not I repeat ARE NOT some sort of "opposite" movement from feminism, a natural enemy as it were. They just think they--are since feminism is their favorite whipping boy, since they are essentially hate groups, since so many of them are nut jobs; I think not just misogynists are attracted to the movement, but damaged, hurt men who had few other groups to turn to and with no ability or inclination to start their own. MRA's are damaging to men because it clings to fucked up or debunked representation of manhood, as well as women. They're a white hot mess in other words.

I keep in mind that for all it's flaws and differences of opinion feminism is a progressive movement that promotes equal rights, human rights and justice and health promotion for women and everybody else for that matter.

The Internet has strengthened it, just as it's allowed hate groups like most MRA's to exist, it's also allowed us to find our allies, to open dialogs, to promote intersectionality, to get out of the white cis-gender middle class box, to find women in need, to explain who and what we are--a group of women and men and those who don't declare either as diverse as is human kind.

Also, unfortunately as referenced in another thread, it has promoted the continual attempts to threatened women to voicelessness. These attempts are not necessarily by "MRA's---not by a long shot, they are a sign of the inner sickness of misogyny the permeates our society---if women show strength, if they show attempts at independence of the dominate societal system of patriarchy. (And Yes, Virginia, patriarchy exists---only fools in denial think otherwise. One need look no further than congress)



This summer, two competing Canadian rape-awareness campaigns began popping up on posters across Edmonton and Vancouver. The first, entitled ‘Don’t Be That Guy,’ warned young men that having sex with a woman too inebriated to give consent is considered lawful rape. One of the posters featured a picture of a girl passed out on a couch, with the tagline, “Just because she isn’t saying ‘no’ doesn’t mean she’s saying ‘yes’.” Police in both cities credit the campaign with a 10 percent reduction in rapes over the previous calendar year.


This summer, two competing Canadian rape-awareness campaigns began popping up on posters across Edmonton and Vancouver. The first, entitled ‘Don’t Be That Guy,’ warned young men that having sex with a woman too inebriated to give consent is considered lawful rape. One of the posters featured a picture of a girl passed out on a couch, with the tagline, “Just because she isn’t saying ‘no’ doesn’t mean she’s saying ‘yes’.” Police in both cities credit the campaign with a 10 percent reduction in rapes over the previous calendar year.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/20/the-masculine-mystique-inside-the-men-s-rights-movement-mrm.html
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The Masculine Mystique (Original Post) ismnotwasm Oct 2013 OP
"The Spearhead"? chervilant Oct 2013 #1
It's simply a oppositional technique ismnotwasm Oct 2013 #2
Interesting, and a little sad, chervilant Oct 2013 #3
Heh! ismnotwasm Oct 2013 #4
I could use me some Miley energy! chervilant Oct 2013 #6
This was a great read. I'm forwarding it to my professor. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #5
Eminently fair? redqueen Oct 2013 #7
I suspect he doesn't know what he's actually dealing with ismnotwasm Oct 2013 #8

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
1. "The Spearhead"?
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 05:20 PM
Oct 2013

Nothing symbolic (or phallic or violent) about that nom de plume...

Why must these male malcontents vilify feminists to advocate for men's 'rights'?

ismnotwasm

(41,973 posts)
2. It's simply a oppositional technique
Sun Oct 20, 2013, 05:28 PM
Oct 2013

Kind of like George W Bush excuses to start two fucked up wars--to use an extremely broad analogy.

To exist in the form they do, why they have to have an "enemy", that's what makes them so toxic.

There are Men's rights groups that set out to ally themselves with women and feminists, far more reasonable and intelligent (and sane) that also address the very legitimate issue of male rape victims.

LOL at your "Spearhead" comment

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
7. Eminently fair?
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 11:01 AM
Oct 2013

This man is tying himself in knots trying to portray the MRM as anything resembling sane.

That's not fair, that's whitewashing.

The Spearhead is moderate?

Fuck this guy and fuck his nauseatingly verbose, stomach-churning effort at putting a nice pretty bow on the dangerous MRM.

The amount of euphemisms and tapdancing around shit he employs in the attempt to treat the MRM the way FAUX treats the GOP is truly stunning.

ismnotwasm

(41,973 posts)
8. I suspect he doesn't know what he's actually dealing with
Tue Oct 22, 2013, 03:53 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Tue Oct 22, 2013, 06:10 PM - Edit history (2)

Because MRA's are hard to accept from a logical standpoint. Thats why the logic of the paragraph I referenced would be so easy to tear apart. If that's what the author considers "moderate"--I wonder how had he had to look for a quote he could actually use?

The article has typical careful wording people use when trying to be distant from the topic matter rather than a whole lot of spin. MRA's have not been mainstream, but they've caught a lot of attention lately. One of my points is is they're not going to bear the scrutiny of the larger public, and not because they are so clearly hate groups, unfortunately far too many would cheer them on--but because they're nut jobs leading the bewildered for the most part.

Which is why I was musing on the fact that they've set themselves up to be "opposite" of feminism--my larger area of interest about the article--when they are no such thing, they've attached themselves to feminism and to use an appropriate analogy it's like feminism was minding their own business and oops--stepped in dog shit some inconsiderate bastard left laying around and now we need to go and wash it off.

I think Dave Funtrelle has the right idea-- laugh them out of any credibility, because if they go mainstream they WILL be on Faux news, as it's a natural landing place for them.

(He wrote an article on this piece--and he agrees with some of what you say and who is more familiar with MRA's than Dave?

http://manboobz.com/2013/10/20/the-daily-beast-takes-on-the-mens-rights-movement-and-takes-down-a-voice-for-mens-john-hembling/ )

Me? I think we need to continue to hose off the dog shit on our shoes. That's why I appreciated this article in a more mainstream publication as apposed to a sympathetic one.

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