gender retired.

[seabeyond]

who lives life as gender retired?

who still needs gender as their defining role?

[Tuesday Afternoon]

1. ? what brought this on ? I have not heard the term before ...

although ... I can kinda relate ... wish I could retire ... from WORK.

[seabeyond]

2. lol. what brought it on? lol. oh, you do ask the question.

specifically, there is an OP on "16 Beautiful Portraits Of Humans Who Happen to Be Trans" that had the term gender retired.

i have been walking this for a while now in so much of my conversation, as has others.

the whole way we create society with gender and the inbalance.

what exactly is the defining definitions of the genders and are they created to condition us to live in certain manners, but not relevant at all.

the fluidity of gender. so how absurd to live all of our lives in a defined gender

are you not being kept tightly sealed in a box if you see life thru gender

and so much more

[Tuesday Afternoon]

3. ok... I will go find this OP/thread and think on this some more.

first thoughts ... gender definition is more important to the young
and
there doesn't necessarily have to be an imbalance to the genders ...

differences can be recognized and honored without being unbalanced.

although, this is not currently the society ... we should strive for balance and harmony and honor to all creatures.

*off to find this link, starting in GD*

[seabeyond]

4. oh, it is in hof, this group.

spiritually i see we all have male and female and we work toward balance within. if we cannot even do it with self, there is no way to do it beyond. but, if self is not balanced with our two genders, we live in unhealthy.

again... just putting out

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. oh thanks, I was lost in GD.

yes, the yin/yang of the whole soul. yes.

[Arcanetrance]

6. I've never heard that term but it definitely sounds like a topic of great discussion

[ismnotwasm]

7. Hmm, no I identify as female

HOWEVER, until a few years ago, I was always working out, very muscular and I'm still very strong "for a woman" ( I've been lazy the last 3-4 Years) I had a of definition, not body building--it's just the way my body responds to exercise.

I'm also very assertive in real life, I am the "breadwinner" of the household, and while I choose a traditionally female profession--nursing, I deal with very high stress situations. (nurses rock)

I've always been aware of a bit of gender ambiguity in myself and while I identify as female, I don't shy away from the part that might be seen as masculine. I was discussing gender with a couple of friends time and one of them said he saw me as "very feminine"--shocked the hell out of me, and quite frankly offended me a little. Because when men say feminine, I think soft and weak and incapable--thats not truth, just how I feel.

So these days I embrace the whole self; most women I'm close to try to do the same thing. I might wear dresses, but I can also do heavy lifting.

[seabeyond]

8. me too...

I was discussing gender with a couple of friends time and one of them said he saw me as "very feminine"--shocked the hell out of me,

and from the only pig male i have in my life. lol

hmmmm. bah hahahah

there is probably something in that and i also did my body as you.

[One_Life_To_Give]

9. Fluid

Either, or, both or neither. I can act one very well, but would prefer to ebb and flow as the mood strikes me.

[Revanchist]

10. Is there a difference between gender retired

and androgyny? You got me pondering so I did a quick search and found a S.A.G.E. test that allows you to see where you fall in the spectrum of identifying as masculine, feminine, or androgyny

http://emptyclosets.com/forum/chit-chat/57033-s-g-e-sex-gender-explorer-test.html

as well as a collection of personal stories from the experience project

http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Am-Androgynous/36076

[seabeyond]

11. i am going to look into that. it may be in the OP i read it in. but,

when reading it, i did not take away that specifcally. i had my own feel with it.

androgyny: partly male and partly female in appearance; of indeterminate sex.

my personal feel is more to the like of so fluid between the male/female of who we are that it becomes stillness. there is no define on gender.

but thanks for the links. i am gonna explore

[Revanchist]

12. did some more poking around and gender-neutral might be closer to agenderism

An alternative to androgyny is gender-role transcendence: the view that individual competence should be conceptualized on a personal basis rather than on the basis of masculinity, femininity, or androgyny.[8]
In agenderism, the division of people into women and men (in the psychical sense), is considered erroneous and artificial.[9] According to agenderism, the biological sex (or lack thereof) is not associated with specific features and tendencies of personality, and should not be used as a yardstick to determine the human internal "I" (Ego)

Which makes more sense I guess I forgot to consider the physical appearance aspect, just the mental, which is funny, considering who two of my favorite singers are

[BainsBane]

13. Don't post David Bowie and expect me to remember the topic

I lovvvvveee him. Really like Annie Lennox too.

[Revanchist]

14. You'll like the jokes in this then

Most of them revolve around the choice of wardrobe

[BainsBane]

17. Not his best look

It's the wig that's throwing me off. I myself am partial to the Thin White Duke and Ziggy Stardust, which you've already posted.


Then there is the odd fact that he doesn't really age.



Perhaps he really is the Man who Fell to Earth?

Funny video. Somehow I never contemplated David Bowie's package before, having never seen Labryth.

[Revanchist]

18. Dick Clark was the same way until well into his 70s

But I feel that I've derailed SeaBeyond's thread enough (sorry about that) so I'm going to bow out of this subthread.

[seabeyond]

19. ha. my threads are fluid. i love hijack. actually, i do not believe in hijack

threads go where they want.

[Revanchist]

20. I try to be courteous

I consider myself to be a guest in this group due to my gender and do my utmost to respect the rights of those who are members.

[seabeyond]

21. that works for all of us. but, you brought in a lot of nifty info.

stuff for me to explore. just tired right now, lol

[BainsBane]

22. Thanks for stopping by

[ismnotwasm]

15. Yes both are incomparable

[ismnotwasm]

16. A little OT

But someday I'm getting this on canvas; only David Bowie can look this good on a mug shot

[MadrasT]

23. I identify as nongendered.

I physically am identifiable as female but dress fairly androgynously and do not consider myself to be a woman.

For 10 or 15 years I presented as a "feminine" woman because I thought that is what I was supposed to do and had no exposure to any other possibility. Where and where I grew up, you were a man or a woman and that was that. Once I realized that "woman" always felt like a role-playing exercise, and not "me" - and I had met quite a lot of transgender folks of all kinds and done a lot of self-education - I gave up on "woman" and settled into "nongendered".

I could call myself "gender retired" because I played at being a woman for a while but gave up when I decided it was a ridiculous presentation and role for me. (The outward presentation did not match my inner identity.)

Also, I am so sick of trying to figure out what "gender" is even supposed to mean that I like the "retired" word because to me it sounds like "been there, done that, I am so over it... finis."

When I have to check off 'M or F" on a form, I always wish for a 3rd option, "None of the above". (Or just "No.&quot

My poor husband was mighty confused because he expected to have a "woman" for a wife and ended up with me instead. May he rest in peace, at least I can't confuse him any more.